Is Family Guy's version of this alternate reality accurate?
Yes.
>which
>Of
>Humanity
>>63232686
right seth,
because religion is the only reason people kill eachother
>>63232686
No, the world didn't go through the dark ages, just Europe.
>>63232686only for a redditor
>>63232755
Are you saying >>63232726
is a redditor?
>>63232734
>>63232753
strawman
Actually, the middle ages were a time of great recovery. A lot of the stagnation and misery came under the late Roman Empire, and it took ages to recover from it.
>Dark age
>Scientific repression
Seth has no idea what the dark age was about it seems
>>63232801
>Yurops created all the knowledge which we us today.
Ya, nah.
> "dark age"
> scientific repression
wat
>>63232860
it's the foundation of western civilization
>>63232895
Yeah, but Western civilisation just steals eastern knowledge and claims it as their own.
>>63232945
that's retarded
>>63232945
You mean like how the Islamic golden age was just kebab stealing the knowledge of the people they conquered and claiming it as their own?
Who singlehandedly saved and copied scientific, historical and cultural manuscripts? Monks. Thanks to monks slaving their lives away copying treatises and illuminating manuscripts, and storing them in monastery libraries, we have what we know now.
Also, Gregor Mendel
>>63232686
Nope, if anything a lack of religious unity would mean European warlords would put even more resources toward just killing one another. Also almost everything from antiquity was preserved by monks and clergy.
So yeah, fuck Seth and the ignorance he teaches morons.
>>63232686
No. That would be the reality if Jews never existed.
>>63232686
Reminder that the inquisition executed people for not being scientific enough. They had to kill motherfuckers for spreading false info, like claiming the sun revolves around the earth. If not for the Catholic church, Europe would still be the shit hole is was and is destined to become.
Fuck Seth, and all these Reddit.com™ atheists.
I wish I had saved that irish monk greentext story
I don't know of any scientists that have influenced the human race that identifies as an atheist. I always see them as either agnostic or loyal to the church.
>>63232860
The West has achieved more scientific advancement in the last 300 years than the rest of the world's history combined.
>>63232973
Lol. It's correct.
Chinese invented gunpowder.
Sand-niggers created maths.
>>63232686
I wonder what would've happened if they said Islam instead of Christianity
>>63233054
>They had to kill motherfuckers for spreading false info, like claiming the sun revolves around the earth.
that's the opposite of what actually happened, jackass
heliocentrism was heresy
>>63233004
Muslims and East Asians invented everything Europeans claim to have created. Cry harder eurokuk.
>dark ages
>implying the name isn't a gross misconception of the medieval period
That was demonstrated by Mommsen in the 1940s. If you want to read it, its on JSTOR.
>>63233116
Are you twelve?
>>63233141
Nice source there, lad.
>>63233008
What this anon said. Don't blame the Church, blame the conquerors of Rome who didn't read or write.
No. The time child trilogy from South park explained rather obviously that people will incite war and halt progress and use anything as an excuse.
The Crusades happened because King Richard was a selfish, racist, and greedy prick and justified it by being "Holy" Spain wanted martial law oh look the Inquisition.
Christianity was a progressive movement in its day.
>>63233162
Are you?
>>63232843
>the late Roman Empire
When christianity became the official state religion.
>>63233189
>the time child trilogy from South park explained rather obviously...
it's a cartoon, anon. meant to make you laugh
>>63232789
correct
>>63232686
it's not far-fetched that things would be more advanced if the idea of religion never came to anyone. whoever wrote this shit didn't have to shoehorn christianity to that
>>63232734
>>63232801
>this is what Seth McFarlane actually believes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge45R9qoW_Y
>>63233189
Seriously, we have people trying to block things like GMO food and vaccines now with no religious pretext, people are just fucking dumb and will block progress (though we would probably be a little better off with no religion)
>>63232686
Why didn't he include Islam in this analysis?
>>63233289
Why are the loudest atheists always the most pathetic-looking? Christ. The only half-handsome atheist is Sam Harris.
>>63233287
>religion started with Christianity
>>63233338
Islam is a religion of peace you fucking piece of shit
>>63233338
Liberals love that gay hating, woman rights denying religion.
>>63233360
you know those are just pictures of fat neckbeard people where somebody adds the text later?
>Christianity never existed
So we stopped at Judaism? I guess the Romans really were wrong.
>>63233385
You're ignorant.
The only thing which can be attributed to the Yuops is philosophy and art.
>>63233312
GMO food and vaccines
>progress
Are you fucking retarded? Those things do more harm than good, this why people are against them
I love how 4chan almost become pro religion just to distance itself from family guy/ reddit.
>>63233287
>Christianity was the world's first religion
What the fuck? I mean shouldn't the guys standing around talking about Jesus just being born have literally been Jews?
>>63233414
I think it tries to imply religion never existed. But since Americans can't think of religion beyond Christianity that's what you get.
>>63232686
This is actually quite eurocentric as the so called dark ages only affected Europe
The world doesn't revolve around White people Seth, you fucking racist
>>63233462
This is what I mean.
Luddites will always exist. Fuck, you people are trying to ban gluten now
>>63233462
gmos are debatable because there are some that do cause harm while no evidence exists that others do. however you are really, really retarded if you think vaccines aren't great for humanity.
>The Dark Ages
/his/ here, nice meme guys.
>>63233469
hello reddit
>>63233008
Why are people so foolish? That man, on his own time, did an amazing experiment that we've all learned from.
>>63233517
>gmos are debatable
There is literally less debate amongst educated people about the safety of GMOs than there is about climate change
>>63233289
>religion is right because I just posted this picture of a neckbeard with text added by myself. See? All atheists are ugly. And that menas they are wrong. Being atheist is not cool, so why are you not religious?
how about when they made kurt cobain a deity
holy shit man
>>63233469
Nah m8 we just stopped blaming religion for all the world's problems like angsty teenagers.
>>63232686
Here's an atheist historian's take on this whole notion.
>>63233566
Hitting too close to home with these neckbeard pics atheist?
if religion never existed we would have just found something else to kill each other over
>>63233566
>>63233141
Examples? I'm assuming you're referring to Medieval times here?
Or are you even going to go so far as to claim the well documented European/American inventions of the past few hundred years that have shaped the world you live in are somehow Asian?
>>63233108
Maths is a Greek word for fucks sake, stop this Muslims created maths meme
>>63233566
I know it's hard looking at yourself in a computer screen
>>63233655
I like that you actually bother to save these for proving yourself right in arguments.
>>63233655
Sigh, white people.
>>63233077
They had to say that they were christians, otherwise they would have been punished.
>>63233189
King Richard didn't start any of the Crusades though and certainly not the first since he wasn't even born.
>>63233108
>>63233677
The Arabs gave us algebra, the Indians gave us the incorrectly named Arabic numerals.
The Romans genuinely thought you could do jack shit with their "everything is relative to five" system.
>>63233684
I'm not even a theist, lad.
>>63233566
You do know stereotypes generally start for a reason, right?
Like Irish people getting drunk all the time, or black people committing lots of murders. They're not just trends that somebody imagined one day.
>>63233563
i would not trust any american "scientist" who isn't independent on the matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QufnuXKtY74
>>63233235
>Christianity became prevalent half way through Rome decaying, so that means its christianity's fault
Go tip your fedora somewhere else
>>63233189
>racist
found the undergraduate
>>63233235
If you really think the inumerable amount of problems Rome faced in it's last couple of centuries are because of Christitanity then you are not very well educated.
>>63233275
Yeah but it's racist if they said anything bad about Islam
>>63233709
that's like saying modern scientists are secret theists because if they were vocal about faith they'd be discredited or mocked
>>63232686
I don't think that's how time works. If anything in the past changed, it could alter the future in a huge way, such that things like electricity and computers may have never been discovered/invented because their discoverers/inventors were never born, or were put along a different path of life that didn't lead to those things. Years alone don't make scientific discovery, people in those years do.
>>63233495
1. The world does revolve around white people, as we invented modern civilization
2. The "dark ages" was actually a term coined by an evangelical to refer to a period of European history where people began to move away from Christianity and the church, hence the Christian dogma of light vs dark. Dark ages was a time of enlightenment and science, the real time of scientific darkness was shortly after pagan invasions.
>>63232686
No, even if religion were the governing factor of the "dark age" stagnation another religion could have easily swept into the void that Christianity filled. More than likely a pagan religion that would have been more superstitious
>>63233722
Arabs didn't invent algebra. They just developed on an already existing concept.
>>63233677
>Maths is a Greek word for fucks sake, stop this Muslims created maths meme
>what is etymology
>>63233750
You seriously think the enough scientists are paid off to make 90 fucking percent of all of them agree. Thats an utterly ridiculous thing to believe
Anyone who has taken a basic biochem class understands that GMOs are no different to human health as a class than any other group of plants. Sure you could make a toxic GMO if you had a lot of money and tried specifically to do that, but it is entirely implausible that fact that something is GMO makes it unhealthy
>>63233856
>>63233753
>>63233758
christfag tears right here
Christianity destroyed the Roman empire. It's not the only cause, but it's one of the major causes. If you refuse to accept that, then it's obvious that you're blinded by your own set of beliefs.
>>63233887
>>63233879
try watching the doc.
>>63233469
Most people just grew up out of the "fuck you mom! I'm an atheist! phase
Seriously, 15 year old cultural Christians denying Religion and acting like they are fucking freethinking philosophers because of it.
>>63233895
It literally isnt a cause though.Im a godless atheist btw :^)
>>63233563
The issue isn't if GMOs are safe to eat.
It's that GMOs crowd out organic produce and give a single corporation (Monsanto) that owns the patents for the genetic make-up of all seeds used in industrial farming undue power over the entire agricultural sector of the US.
>>63233895
There are no christians here. Only people who want to argue and will pick whichever side is available or those who call themselves christian because muh conservatives are religious
>>63232686
No. Because if Christianity never existed then some other religion would have taken its place and had the same effect.
To be honest it was the Mongols that sent the World into the dark ages if anything
No one ever talks about all the damage Mongols did
>>63233895
>The greatest country in the world now and in human history was founded on Christianity
your move atheists
addendum
>it only starts deteriorating when idiots replaced the Christian way of living with jew liberal degeneracy
>>63233141
>Sucking Mudslime cock this hard
>Calling anyone else keks
>>63234008
And Islam.
>>63233925
yeah, thats like asking people to watch your Bush did 9/11 documentary.
and regardless of how you feel about Monsanto, GMOs as a technology cannot be conflated with them there are a handful of other companies and many universities working to create superior crops that will undoubtedly make the world a better place if the luddites and organic food lobby just stop trying to trick uneducated people into fearing the technology
>>63233808
What would have happened to Isaac Newton if he said he didn't believe in God? Zero consequences at all? Is that what you think?
>>63234024
Mongol pressure is also responsible for a lot of the Islamic world going full retard
>>63233925
how about citing some examples instead of throwing a 2 hour documentary at our heads
if you were writing an essay, you wouldn't just say "this book says this", you would literally point out where the book says the things you are saying it says
>try watching the doc
if you can't just give us examples, don't bother
>>63233496
>implying the GMO isn't obviously on the right
>>63233496
is that corn for eating or corn for fuel
because there's a huge difference between the two and if stuff is genetically modified to give us a bigger yield in things, what is even the problem?
>>63232686
of course
>the dark ages
>real
lmao at ur life m8
>>63234170
If it wasn't for Christianity Northern and Western Europe would not have progressed beyond tribalism.
>>63233947
>It's that GMOs crowd out organic produce
Not true at all, the organic scam is stronger than ever now.
>a single corporation (Monsanto) that owns the patents for the genetic make-up of all seeds used in industrial farming
Just a ridiculous myth. Ever heard of Dow or Conagra? This monopoly Monsanto has is entirely imagined by the conspiracy theorists. Also, large agrichemical companies had the vast majority of the marketshare long before GMOs were even a thing, and as genetic modification techniques get better, you will literally have undergrads making new strains at universities across the country bringing patents to much smaller companies and to universities. GMOs actually have the potential to disrupt the industry far more than they have the potential to provide Monsanto with an evil monopoly
Reminder that the atheism meme will die in your lifetime
sigh
>>63234068
I didnt say people who didnt believe in God wouldn't be punished, I meant that saying they claimed to believe in God only because they didnt want to punish is bullshit, Issac Newton was a dedicated christian btw read it up.
>>63233895
Explain to me how Christianity was what caused Rome to fall?
Because it had pretty much nothing to do with it. It happened to become Christian at a time when it was already regressing in power.
Rome peaked in 117 AD and after it slowly began to dwindle in power.
By the time Christianity became the state Religion the Western Empire was already doomed.
The Eastern (CHRISTIAN OMG) Empire would prove to be incredibly resilient and survive against the odds for another 1000 years after the Western Empire fell.
When it did fall, all those dumbass Christian Scholars moved to Italy and this period known as the Renaissance started.
>>63234016
>The greatest country in the world now and in human history was founded on Christianity
No, it was founded on enlightenment ideas about liberty.
not /tv/
it was actually the druidic universities that caesar failed to conquer in any way that became modern universities
these same druids adopted christianity instantly when it appeared, long before they heard of a place called rome
>>63234216
The meme that atheism is for sperglord basement dwellers will die out soon because most people are moving away from religion as a backing
More people than ever are agnostic, not as in they identify that way, but more like "I don't really believe in god but he (or she) could exist, I don't care enough to do anything about it"
>>63233496
Look at what corn looked like in its natural organic state before artificial meddling
>>63234222
What the people who made that picture in the first place don't understand is that the culture was predominately religious at the time anyways.
So looking for an atheist scientists at the time when the prevailing political and religious climate was Christian would be like finding a unicorn.
>>63234016
>The greatest country in the world now and in human history was founded on Christianity
Treaty of Tripoli, check it out.
>>63233808
Some of them probably are, yes.
>>63234077
The Ottomans went retard on Europe and they can't blame the Mongols for that.
>>63234295
>More people than ever are agnostic, not as in they identify that way, but more like "I don't really believe in god but he (or she) could exist, I don't care enough to do anything about it"
This is only true in whatever wealthy, comfortable, dying country that you're living in, not in "the world"
christards triggered as fuck ITT
I don't actually think Christianity started the dark ages but they were important in holding Europe together during it.
>>63234299
there's a difference between selective breeding and genetic manipulation
foreign genetic matter is forcible shot into the crops to make them take on the properties that are desired
selectively breeding a crop that is resistant to insects would take more time than most humans have
>>63234344
>dying
Fuck off, Ahmed.
>>63233853
>X didn't invent Y. They just developed on an already existing concept.
This phrase works for literally any invention
>>63234362
>foreign genetic matter is forcible shot into the crops to make them take on the properties that are desired
And?
>>63233108
Sand-niggers gave us notation. Greeks gave us proofs.
>>63234335
>second president
>is just some lawyer speak to distance government from religion
>implying the citizens weren't christian and didn't live christian lives
>>63233856
Nobody's saying they invented the word.
>>63234295
Your mistake is believing that the people who hate you are Religious.
>>63234394
changing DNA isn't always a good thing because it can lead to unintended side effects
>>63234265
>Rome peaked in 117 AD and after it slowly began to dwindle in power.
No, it didn't dwindle in power, they just decided that further conquests were not needed.
>By the time Christianity became the state Religion the Western Empire was already doomed.
No. Constantine had unified the empire again and things looked great, until he made a fatal mistake.
Christianity destroyed the very essence of Rome. The old religion and the roman state were tied together. When christianity became the only allowed religion Rome ended up losing it's sense of identity and purpose.
>>63234362
>there's a difference between selective breeding and genetic manipulation
a very minor difference
and neither is remotely natural, so if you are the kind of person who thinks organic food is good, you are a huge fucking hypocrite if you eat anything artificially created by humans
>selectively breeding a crop that is resistant to insects would take more
Exactly, the key too GMOs is its faster, its effectively the same process, just done much more efficiently. Its like broadband vs dialup internet. The people whining about GMOs sound no different than people in 1998 would have who complained about the advent of high sped internet
>>63234355
I don't actually think you know what you're even talking about.
>>63234479
Extreme exception, not the rule.
'GMOs' are always careful about this.
>>63234366
Catholic Mexicans overrunning America and Arab Muslims overrunning Europe is literally divine punishment because atheists are overwhelmingly white.
That's the real reason atheism is a passing fad.
>everyone wasting their time arguing about christfags, fedoras, mudshits, and food when they could bebaneposting.
>>63234449
I'm not really an atheist
I'm just arguing for argument's sake, especially because there's this really cute girl I know who is an atheist
>>63234479
>changing DNA isn't always a good thing because it can lead to unintended side effects
Its no more likely to have unintended side effects than random mutations would, probably less likely as we know exactly which genes we are adding, rather than just hoping a good change will appear
>>63234362
Give me an example of a GMO that is bad. Define the mechanism by which the GMO is harmful to the human body.
>>63232686
Yes but /tv/ is essentially /pol/ 2.0 now so you're gonna get nothing but retarded Christians screaming NONONONONO LALALALLAALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU JEW LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA NONONONONONONONO LALALALALALALALALALALA MYPENISISSMALL ALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!
>>63234432
That's literally what you said.
Or at least you implied the Greeks created maths as maths is a Greek word.
It's right there for you to see.
>>63232686
yup
pic related
>>63233287
Seth McFarlane singlehandedly disproves the "atheists are smarter" meme.
>>63234482
>Christianity destroyed the very essence of Rome. The old religion and the roman state were tied together. When christianity became the only allowed religion Rome ended up losing it's sense of identity and purpose.
Gibbon's thesis is pretty discredited nowadays. Or so I hear. The fall is attributed to the lack of a proper succession-mechanic and the pressure exerted by germanic migration movements. Also the divide between the western and eastern halves of the empire, where the eastern one was basically supporting the borderline bankrupt western one.
>>63234576
forgot pic
>>63233287
Most accurate description of religion
>>63234330
>-alpha_male666
>>63234565
You're a fucking idiot. I'm not religious and I don't give two shits about a race war, but you obviously don't know anything about the Middle Ages.
Without looking at wikipedia, tell me what you think the "Dark Ages" were and why they were named as such.
>>63234618
>mfw Germans have constantly been the ones ruining Europe for millenia
>mfw no face
>>63234487
>a very minor difference
Not at all, the ways crops are implanted with new genes would never happen naturally in organisms that aren't microscopic
>and neither is remotely natural
selectively bred is just a different word for evolution
it's one of the most natural things in terms of how crops come about
>so if you are the kind of person who thinks organic food is good
slow down m8
>>63234506
The problem with the gene transfers is that they aren't always perfect
I'm not saying that it's like a 50/50 thing where it could turn into super cancer, I'm saying that just imbibing something with new genetic material doesn't always work and you can't really know it's effects until you actually grow the new crop and test it out
>>63234682
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I'M A STUPID FAGGOT FROM /POL/ LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!
Christianity, whilst a benign religion now, is quite useless.
The only thing left for God to take the role of is pre-Big Bang cosmology.
Millennia ago it was lightning.
This makes me happy, because European descended people in particular have come so far as a species.
>>63234682
Not that guy but is was because Vikings and shit got really fucking aggressive and started fucking everybody's shit, right?
>>63232686
It's however also the same universe that either kills all male babies when born or forces them to take transmeds to become lil fuckboi slaves because we never outlawed pedophilia because it's a legit sexuality and you should stop shaming it
>>63234482
>they just decided that further conquests were not needed.
Yeah except all those times they tried to conquer Germany and failed, and failing to conquer the Picts.
If you actually think they just said "There, done" when their entire Empire was pretty much founded and reliant upon continual conquest then you're retarded.
The Empire was in two pieces by the time Constantine was in charge. Yes they technically recovered old territory but it was the least unified it had ever been.
>Christianity destroyed the very essence of Rome. The old religion and the roman state were tied together. When christianity became the only allowed religion Rome ended up losing it's sense of identity and purpose.
Source: you
>>63234618
Like I said, there were many causes. Christianity was one of the major causes. To claim otherwise must mean that you are a Christian yourself.
Judaism and Christianity were the biggest enemies of the ancient greek/roman world. Sadly, the illogical oriental mystics won this cultural fight.
>>63234715
>I'M A STUPID FAGGOT FROM /POL/
>>63234759
You have yet to explain how beyond basically calling Christianity shit.
>>63234543
Just because we are adding helpful genes doesn't mean they will always be safe to consum
>>63234544
Crops that are intended to be more pest resistant can often contain more harmful chemicals/substances. They've been bread to contain more of the plants natural pest deterring chemicals, but these chemicals aren't always safe to eat (which is why the bugs would avoid them)
>>63234750
Read some history books. Hadrian decided that the time for conquests was over. 117 was the peak, right before he took over as emperor.
>>63234715
Really? Why is it so hard to state your case? I'll stop being vitriolic if it will get you to act with an ounce of maturity. The irony is you are claiming that I'm the one with my head in the sand when you are literally shitposting in all caps to avoid having a real argument.
Go ahead, what were the Dark Ages.
>>63234736
Nope, I will reveal the truth after this guy decides to stop shitposting. Or if he continues I guess I will also. The answer may shock you...
>>63234817
and then Rome started to lose territory and was later split in two.
Proving that continual conquest was pretty much necessary.
>>63234817
Marcus continued them, though. Although the Antonine plauge fucked him a bit, and the rebellion in... Syria was it?. He was planning to annex at least two new provinces.
>>63234713
>the ways crops are implanted with new genes would never happen naturally
Not quite true, but more importantly irrelevant. A gene isn't better or safer if it arises in an organism's genome naturally. A current issue facing some farmers is that weeds are growing resistant to roundup, which is the most common trait given to the currently economically used GMO crops, so this pretty much proves that these traits evolving without modern techniques is possible, just slower
>selectively bred is just a different word for evolution
Sure, but when people use the term natural, they usually mean without human interference. Artificial selection is just as much evolution as modern genetic modification
>The problem with the gene transfers is that they aren't always perfect
If a transfer doesn't work, worst case scenario is the crop is non-viable and they wasted their money, it is not really plausible that we would accidentally create a toxic plant let alone not realize it until it is in the food supply. This is literally less likely than a crop spontaneously evolving to become toxic and killing people
>>63234855
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I'M JUST A RETARDED CHRISTAN WHO DENIES EVERYTHING LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
>>63234855
>The answer may shock you...
What are you, some 60 year old woman's FB clickbait articles?
>>63234807
>They've been bread to contain more of the plants natural pest deterring chemicals, but these chemicals aren't always safe to eat (which is why the bugs would avoid them)
bugs have many different biochmeical pathways than mammals do. The most common pest resistant GMO crop has a protein native to Bacillus thuringiensis, and this protein effects a pathway not present in mammals. Also, our digestive systems are far more advanced and destroy proteins that we consume, so even if this protein could disrupt our cells it wouldn't ever make it into our blood in significant quantites
>>63234817
Christianity was just some stupid cannibalistic eastern cult by that time. It was irrelevant. You're disproving yourself by putting the peak of the empire two centuries before Christianity was even a part of Roman society, not to mention governance.
>>63234980
also, that BT toxin is very widely used as a pesticide in organic farming
>>63232686
Christian Monks and Scholars saved much of the history and scientific writings, in addition to expanding scientific knowledge in the dark ages when Kings were warring with other Kings over politics not religion.
Religion didn't cause the dark ages.
>>63234799
I explained it here
>>63234482
The old religion and the roman state were tied together. When christianity became the only allowed religion Rome ended up losing it's sense of identity and purpose.
The old Roman religion was a state religion. Christianity is much bigger than that. Why care about Rome when the new religion doesn't concern Rome directly?
Let's face it. Christianity is an oriential mystic sect. We westerners are not naturally connected with it. Why should we care about old Jewish kings like David and Salomon? Why should we care about a jewish criminal who was executed 2000 years ago?
>>63233939
>cultural Christians
>>63233150
>JSTOR
Mai niggah
On a side note, why is /his/ the best board?
Holy Roman Empire
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
....meme aside of course.
>>63235085
Yeah, early middle ages, monks were awesome
Late middle ages the church was fucking awful and actively shunned the gathering of knowledge
>>63234992
No, I merely replied to a specific point in his post. I am aware that Christianity was nothing at the time.
>>63232686
No.
Religion was necessary to maintain order, without order there would be no scientific achievements.
>>63234887
>A gene isn't better or safer if it arises in an organism's genome naturally
True, but certain genes are more suited for certain organisms
>weeds are growing resistant to roundup
>this pretty much proves that these traits evolving without modern techniques is possible, just slower
Well, this is only happening because people are introducing the new pesticides into the system
Those weeds wouldn't be resistant if people didn't use pesticides in the amount they did
I actually can't find any studies about whether or not transgenic crops may accidentally lend some new DNA to weeds which would create the "super weeds", but that's probably not happening as much as I'd think
>This is literally less likely than a crop spontaneously evolving to become toxic and killing people
this isn't the real problem nor the real effects I was talking about
as you pointed out, many crops are being modified so that pesticides don't harm them, meaning that people will use more pesticides instead of manually removing weeds or rotating crops, which are definitely still effective
>>63235170
>Religion was necessary to maintain order
Gonna need to supply some evidence for this claim
>>63235110
The problem is the source is you.
It's an idea that you have and not one that's backed by anything you're presenting except your own hypothesis.
>>63234759
>Judaism and Christianity were the biggest enemies of the ancient greek/roman world.
Umm no. Have you ever read a history book? You must be some ultra orthodox atheist to completely ignore Roman and Greek political problems, turmoil and getting invaded numerous times weakening the central government leading to instability.
>>63235110
>The old religion and the roman state were tied together. When christianity became the only allowed religion Rome ended up losing it's sense of identity and purpose.
Oh Lord Jesus Christ Almighty please bless this fool with thou knowledge for he is knoweth not what he speaketh and need thyne guidance of the mind.
>>63235135
But that's an actual thing.
I don't know what your meme pic is implying redditor unless it's a picture of you ;-)
>>63234889
Pretending to be retarded is still retarded.
>>63234947
Haha, good one! Faggot lmao
Anyway there are a number of reasons but apparently you are all too fucking dumb to even Google this shit you are so vehemently arguing about.
Straight from Wikipedia:
"The concept of a Dark Age originated with the Italian scholarPetrarch(Francesco Petrarca) in the 1330s, and was originally intended as a sweeping criticism of the character ofLate Latinliterature.[3][12]Petrarch regarded the post-Roman centuries as "dark" compared to the light ofclassical antiquity.
Later historians expanded the term to refer to the transitional period betweenRomantimes and theHigh Middle Ages(c. 11th–13th century), including the lack of Latin literature, and a lack of contemporarywritten history, general demographic decline, limited building activity and material cultural achievements in general.
Popular culture has further expanded on it as a vehicle to depict the early Middle Ages as a time of backwardness, extending its pejorative use and expanding its scope."
Any historian worth their salt would avoid using the term, and its primarily used by fedora tippers who would suck Richard Dawkins literal dick if they got the chance. It makes them feel smug and superior to "know" that religion somehow halted scientific expansion. In reality it just makes them look ignorant.
People will probably point to Galileo and Bruno but if you know anything about their life other than a blurb you took from /r/atheism you would know the circumstances surrounding their death had almost nothing to do with their scientific research. Bruno was a strange man with strong beliefs in mysticism and possibly had a psychological disorder that contributed to his demise. Galileo simply talked too much shit. By the time he was executed, heliocentrism was widely accepted by the people and recognized as fact by the church.
>>63235199
Peasants were subjected to lords who were subjected to kings in the typical medieval hierarchy. Kings needed to derive their power and legitimacy from something so people would follow them.
>>63235227
Gibbon had similar ideas.
>>63235236
The biggest cultural enemy. I'm not denying other causes that led to Rome collapsing, but it seems like you christfags can't accept that Christianity played an important part.
Also, why are you worshiping a jewish criminal? Why do you care about old, irrelevant jewish kings?
>>63235279
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>>63235143
They laid the foundation for the preservation of knowledge and it was all due to the institution of Christianity having a strong foundation in education, and educating. Without which, no other institution existed to allow individuals to dedicate their lives to reading and copying books by hand. Not to mention all the fucking translating from the classical languages of Greek and Latin into the common tongues.
Christianity has done more for propagating scientific progress, including scientists, than smelly sweaty fedoras chiming in every time about how atheism could have saved the world.
Yeah and the Kings and Warlords would have still killed you except there would then be a lack of preservation of knowledge.
>>63235193
>Well, this is only happening because people are introducing the new pesticides into the system
>Those weeds wouldn't be resistant if people didn't use pesticides in the amount they did
Please note I was discussing pesticides, agents used against insects, not herbicides. But sure, a pesticide being more present increases the rate at which pests will develop resistance, but this is combated with farmers devoting a portion of their field to non-resistant crops giving the pests enough food that the selective pressure to develop resistance is minimized (though a small percentage of farmers are not doing this leading to problems). However using this as an argument against GMOs is akin to saying we should have never used antibiotics as it is leading to drug resistant pathogens, the idea that we should not use good things because if we use them too much they might not be quite as good at some point in the future is ridiculous
reddit: the thread
>>63235284
without that order maybe they would have developed capitalism earlier and we would be another 500 years advanced
Its fair to say religion helped maintain a certain, order, but not that there would have been disorder without it
>>63235279
>Haha, good one! Faggot lmao
>>63232945
they stole eastern knowledge so well that they appropriated eastern countries into their empires
>atheists pretending to be Christian to trigger other atheists
>>63235418
The problem is that you are saying maybe XY&Z would have happened without providing any logical reason as to how or why XY&Z would have happened.
Meanwhile there is every reason in the world to definitively believe and measure how Christianity has contributed, saved, and propagated scientific knowledge in the world we actually live in. I could easily say with atheism none of the things the Christians did would have occured and so Warlords and Kings would have destroyed civilization as we know it because the Christian instituion not existing denies humanity the preservation of ancient knowledge and texts that would be the foundation for countless of other scientific findings and monumental progress points.
>>63235079
non-shit version
>>63235418
>without that order maybe they would have developed capitalism earlier and we would be another 500 years advanced
If there wasn't order by religion, the strongest and richest would have ruled without mercy. At least religion instilled a basic sense of morals in people.
>>63235537
>pretending
wrong.
>>63235572
>I could easily say with atheism none of the things the Christians did would have occured.
>Warlords and Kings would have destroyed civilization as we know it because the Christian education instituion not existing denies humanity the preservation of ancient knowledge.
>Texts that would be the foundation for countless of other scientific findings and monumental progress points would have been lost like dust in the wind.
Had to fix my run on sentence.
>>63235658
>the strongest and richest would have ruled without mercy
Thats literally what happened
>At least religion instilled a basic sense of morals in people.
Religion doesn't make you moral or immoral, these are conditions inherent to individuals. Do you think you would be running around murdering people if not for the threat of hell or knowledge of Jesus/Mohamed?
>/pol/ hates jews, but still worships a jewish criminal
Seriously. If only american conservatives realized how wrong they are when it comes to religion.
Conservatism would be a better ideology without oriental mysticism.
>>63235731
You are not born with morals, you learn them.
>>63235731
>Religion doesn't make you moral or immoral, these are conditions inherent to individuals. Do you think you would be running around murdering people if not for the threat of hell or knowledge of Jesus/Mohamed?
Jesus Christ please help this retarded little boy. He didn't say what you said. Do you not understand how religion as been used as a tool? Is the concept of religion as a tool just too complex for you to comprehend?
Let me baby feed it to you. Religion has been used as a tool to instill morals into people.
>>63235810
>Do you not understand how religion as been used as a tool?
Yeah, to motivate people to war and trick them into subservience
It is utterly ridiculous to claim that morals only or even primarily exist in a society because of religion
>>63235805
sympathy and empathy are basic human feelings, they are not taught to you by the church
>>63235888
Go be fedora somewhere else, this guy is clearly trolling or he is actually quite literally a massive drooling retarded idiot with an over inflated sense of ego.
>>63235939
What about in the northern states of america where the majority of people under 35 are not religious, do you see problems with them lacking morals?
>>63235913
>sympathy and empathy are basic human feelings
lmao. no its fucking not. you should be thank Christianity that you aren't being raped by some nigger right now
>>63235810
>>63235888
>>63235939
>>63235970
Hey, hey you guys, hey, guys hey, guys, hey...Morality is subjective.
>>63235970
Go be fedora somewhere else. They and their parents have a strong foundation that was laid a long time ago. It's not like they grew up in a box and developed into upstanding citizens without influence of a world already rooted in religious morality.
>>63232686
I hate to sound like /pol/tard but why does liberal media only go after christianity and never the other abrahamic religions which follow the same beliefs
Judaism and Islam are just as against homosexuality and women's rights as much as christianity
>>63236003
>>63236059
Do you two seriously believe morality would not exist without religion?
Also, how is living in Mississippi?
>>63232726
Go to Reddit
>>63236139
because liberal white guilt
>>63236139
>just as
Lol no.
Islam = Orthodox Judaism >>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser forms of Judaism > Christianity.
>>63236059
>Go be fedora somewhere else.
Ok Cletus.
Its amazing that you rednecks think being educated makes you fedora
>>63236151
Well your point is impossible to prove, we already know religion can and does foster morality though.
Again>>63236209
Go be fedora somewhere else.
No /thread
>>63236151
>lives in a Christian civilized country
>takes this social behavior for granted and wants to destroy the source
why are you such a kuck. go live with tribal genocidal niggers in africa if you hate it that much
>>63232686
Not really, if Christianity never existed we'd probably still be in the dark ages
>>63236286
The genocidal niggers in Africa are mostly Christian.
>>63236282
>we already know religion can and does foster morality though.
No we don't, just because two things coexist in some instances does not imply one is the cause of the other. Look at fucking ISIS, Scientologists, and southern protestants
>>63236282
>Go be fedora somewhere else.
Solid retort
>>63232686
the dark ages applied to the whole world.
Mongols, Muslims, Byzantines, Catholics, Jews alike. The name itself is a little slamming to the era as well.
I know responding to this is bait, but this does actually jack me off.
>>63236286
>go live with tribal genocidal niggers in africa if you hate it that much
Dude, those people are way the fuck more religious than americans
>>63236332
Those things are morality. They believe they are being moral when they do them.
When ISIS rapes an 11 year old Yazidi, they believe they are being moral.
>“He said that raping me is his prayer to God. I said to him, ‘What you’re doing to me is wrong, and it will not bring you closer to God.’ And he said, ‘No, it’s allowed. It’s halal,’ ” said the teenager, who escaped in April with the help of smugglers after being enslaved for nearly nine months.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=1
>>63236319
the same way Kim Kardassian is "christian"
I think we both know they're godless heathens
>>63233566
calm down, you won't want to lose your fedora, reddit.
>>63232860
Yeah nigga we had dem coconut telophonez an shit an dem flintstones cars son, da white man come an make uz slaves cuz, we wuz kings an sheeeit
>>63236396
>the same way Kim Kardassian is "christian"
Thats a funny argument considering they are much closer to traditional Christians than any significant group in America is
Also, your idea that "religion is good, so long as people practice it exactly as I do, people who do bad things don't count" is top notch
>>63236413
Sweet strategy Jim Bob, just keep saying fedora, that will stop those people and their fancy college degrees. Go get your sisterwife to join in the posting and double up on the fedora comments
What the fuck made the Islamic nations so shitty?For awhile they were advanced as fuck, even more than Europe, creating Maths and making huge strides in navigation and shit. They were secular as fuck too. What turned them into retarded blood thirsty durkas?
christianity is the only religion to point out the victims are innocent
it makes it unique among all other religions
it's unique because it's true, and in a way, is an anti-religion. religions once facilitated a crucial function of sacrifice, they salved and mitigated the crescendo of social conflict within society by periodically purging society of conflict through sacrifice and scapegoating
christianity came around and pointed out that our victims are innocent, and now the world can no longer contain the conflicts and must either choose to renounce violence (in all its forms) or go onward as we have, which will lead to the destruction of the world
>>63234807
>Just because we are adding helpful genes doesn't mean they will always be safe to consum
except there isn't much evidence to the contrary
DUDE IM A LIBERAL ATHEIST
Seth MacFarlane is a preachy faggot
>>63236488
they became more religious
>>63236151
Make that three people, you mouthbreathing ape
Islam is a "Religion of Peace" is the biggest crock of shit ever.
It's literally made by a bloodthirsty savage pedophile who barged into Mecca, destroyed indigenous religious idols and say "WE MUSLIM NOW" then proceeded to expand west and North, conquering and killing anyone who didn't follow Islam. All the other major religions were started by peaceful people, Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Nanak. People who either had nothing or had something and lost it (muslims slaughtering people is the entire reason for the existence of Sikhism.) Islam is a piece of shit religion that is founded on violence and always is violent by its very nature.
>this thread
Great form /tv/.
>>63236446
>your idea
>people have never labeled themselves to be something yet not actually practice being that thing
wow this is some next level absolutism from an autist
>>63236772
Who the fuck are you to say what is and isn't christianity? The bible says all sorts of crazy things that no real american would actually believe but people are okay ignoring them. Every religious person picks what that religion means to them, and as there is no objectively true or correct way to be religious, you have no more claim to doing it right than any of them
>>63236772
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL
>>63232686
No. Religion isn't what makes people stupid. Stupid people will always exist and are inherent in society.
The OP must be rolling. Good job, senpai. I can't believe this wasn't tossed for being religious and McFarlance bait. Skillfully done though.
>>63235731
>Thats literally what happened
Kings and high ranking lords had to borrow money from merchants to pay for things like wars. They definitely weren't the richest. Even when kings suffered horrific defeats by much stronger kings, they still had loyal subjects stay with them because they believed in their king who was perceived as an earthly vassal of God.
>Do you think you would be running around murdering people if not for the threat of hell or knowledge of Jesus/Mohamed?
Absolutely not, but the code of morals and laws that make up our modern society is largely based off of religious teachings.
Let me put it this way. How did you learn the difference between right and wrong? Probably from a mixture of your parents and society, right? How did your parents learn? The same way, most likely. This goes back all the way to your ancestral roots, where at some point, your distant relative heard the gospel or read a certain book or became a member of a society who believed in such things and reformed their ways.
>>63237129
You act like society wouldn't exist without religion, religion arose from these values, not the other way around
>>63232686
From my understanding it was the Fall of the Roman Empire that precipitated the Dark Ages in Europe, and scientific output fell not because of church repression but because of an overall decline in society. If anything the church was instrumental in preserving existing knowledge.
