In all honesty, does it get better than Tarkovsky when it comes to film watching?
The films of Wes Anderson
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>>63220870
Depends on your taste so maybe no or maybe yes.
>>63220870
There are thousands of directors out there. I only watched a few dozens.
>>63220885
>American
Yes.
>>63221040
Days of heaven was mediocre, cinematography aside
>>63221040
mfw I actually have a Terry mug. Some event was giving away free custom mugs, so I made this beauty. Terry is love, Terry is life.
>>63220870
Bresson
Tarr
Kiarostami
>>63221123
wow, that level of autism but the pic made me kek
>>63220870
Basically every other director ever, even Adam Sandler
Tarkovsky is quite literally offal
>>63221088
Good that you called one of his weaker films mediocre
>>63221133
>Tarr
>Kiarostami
Both good, Tarr is better, but they're not Tark level.
Haha, thanks. It also has a single picture of Tarkovsky eating watermelon on the other side.
>>63221253
cinematography was excellent though, what do you reckon is his best film?
Yes, there are directors that aren't living memes
>>63221284
>>63221167
Whoops
>>63221292
>living
>>63220870
literally who?
>>63221284
>>63221123
>>63221284
This is the greatest /tv/ related mug I've ever seen.
>>63221279
I agree, i was just posting some directors i find great. Hard to find people "better" than Tark, maybe Welles or Lang.
>>63221284
absolutely 10/10
>>63221288
The Tree of Life and To the Wonder
>>63221284
>>63221123
Avant garde
>>63221284
Are you the same guy?
>>63221383
The reception To The Wonder got genuinely makes me mad.
>>63221284
Also you should have had this Tarkovsky pic on there
>>63221366
>Hard to find people "better" than Tark
Welles
Lang
Hitchcock
Bergman
Chaplin
Bunuel
Kurosawa
Polanski
Wilder
Angelopoulos
Fellini
Kubrick
Kazan
Altman
Kusturica
Cant tell if he was good director or if he had good eye for cinematographers I don't particularly like his screenplays or such
>>63221466
Well there's Lang there, definitely master of his craft.
Rest aren't as good in their craft as Tark was in his.
>tfw captcha makes me choose the pictures with grass
>>63221345
>>63221347
>>63221378
>>63221397
Thanks mates. Here's the last two pictures on the mug.
>>63221419
No, but if I ever get an opportunity to make a free custom shirt It's going to happen.
>>63221459
I really threw the mug together in a few seconds. I wish I thought it out and put text on it, but I was afraid the promotion would end because people were abusing the shit out of it.
>>63221466
Nice list of directors inferior to Tarkovsky, now where are the ones better?
>>63221527
I love you.
>>63221466
>Hitch
>Chaplin
>Kurosawa
Better filmmakers maybe, but as artists they're way worse. The other ones don't reach Tark's level in filmmaking nor in artistry, with Lang and Welles being the possible exception.
>>63220870
BARRY
>>63221284
Do you have the Tark eating watermelon pic on your computer?
>>63221568
Terry bless you
>>63221603
I gotcha
>>63221583
I saw Kurosawa's filmography recently. Don't see anything in him.Inferior Leone and yes I know Leone was influenced by him
>>63221565
every SINGLE one is better than Tarkovsky. I forgot Godard but whatever, the point is made
>>63221284
I love you anon
>>63221466
>can't even read
He said "better". You even typed it out yourself.
>>63221633
That looks from a film, reminds me of Tempo di Viaggio's kind of thing, is it?
>>63221649
>the point is made
It will be when you successfully back your claims. Why are they better than Tark?
>>63221649
>I forgot Godard
I knew you were a pleb when you posted that list but this confirmed it.
>>63221466
Yes these are all "better" than Tark.
>>63221684
How did I type it if it's a greentext quote you fucking dip
>>63221738
Yeah it's so impossible to do greentext without quoting, right?
>c.uck
>>63221738
>You can't type greentexts
Hello reddit
>>63221527
>>tfw captcha makes me choose the pictures with grass
>>63221710
Not OP, but yeah that's exactly what I was about to ask. I'm pretty sure I've seen him in that movie eating the watermelon.
>>63221710
I was just thinking that. I remember that shirt in combination with his short shorts.
>>63221778
Another picture for my Terry folder.
>>63221818
Who wears short shorts?
>>63221818
>his short shorts
Fun fact: Tarkovsky would have been a trap in 2015
>>63221818
l-lewd
>>63221870
>yfw we could have had 30 more years of Tarkovsky
>>63221870
go get fucking shock therapy you degenerate projecting faggot
>>63221869
Tark seemed like a real asshole in his journals, but It was hilarious. God bless Tarkovsky.
>>63221972
She does seem a bit sluttish.
>>63221972
where can i get em?
>>63221023
You can't have only seen a few dozen films, are you 5?
>>63222068
Google "Andrei Tarkovsky journals" and there will be a link to the PDF. If you like Tarkovsky it's well worth the read. Very easy to skim through and find the good bits. You'll find out just how opinionated that man was to the point of being a bit of an asshole. Also those journal entries he did every few months bitching about not being able to get the green light for his adaptation of 'The Idiot' - sad.
Anyone have the screenshot of him wondering if that guy died knowing he was a hack?
>>63222220
He probably means auteurs
>>63222220
Directors, not films. I may have watched most of about 100 directors' work, and a few other directors from which I've watched only one or two pieces. That means more than A THOUSAND movies.
>>63222265
>Color of a woman's hair - red
How can one man have such great taste?
>>63221284
patrician
>>63222265
Is it true "Stalker" killed him?
>>63222350
Favorite director (Russian) - none
>>63222330
That's still very few movies, I used to go the cinema every day at least once a day for five years and though that's nearly 2000 films it accounts for a small proportion of all the movies I've seen. Step it up sempai.
>>63222376
Nah, it was the KGB.
>>63222265
>Do you like children
>Very much
>Woman's driving force?
>Submission
Most patrician director confirmed
>>63222410
How many of them were shit? A good auteur piece is worth more than 50 shitflicks
Quality > quantity
>>63222410
that's a lie
>>63221568
i had to find this on youtube if they actually used that picture
is bresson any good?
>>63222457
I accept everything on it's own merits, as i enjoy (or used to) going to the cinema I was easily pleased I suppose but there were very few things I disliked, I live near one of the largest cinemas in Europe and they used to show everything that got a general or limited release in Britain as well as having three screens for arthouse and independent films as well as two classic matinees a week. The only film I've ever really hated and walked out of was Sideways. There was considerably more good than bad, maybe a director only has one good film in them but it doesn't make them a hack, it's quite an achievement to even make one.
>>63222486
It's not. I stopped when it was taken over by another company who stopped the matinees of old films and the arthouse releases. I think films generally got a lot shitter as well.
>>63222628
Nah Tarko was memeing us.
>>63222628
Watch the movies.
>>63222639
>The only film I've ever really hated and walked out of was Sideways.
Because of the fatty fuck scene? What a pussy.
>>63222628
Yeah, he's got a distinct style. His camera focuses on odd things to bring about a good visual type of story telling. Hard to explain, but he frequently does close ups of hands to show action. His style can be awkward, and I think he had a wrong approach with his actors, but he's pretty good. Love it when he focuses on something minute while there's action off camera, usually sound.
https://vimeo.com/98484833
>>63222658
>calling them movies
disrespectful my man
>>63222736
Seriously. Movies may be trash but they're at least better than flicks.
>>63222697
It just made me so fucking depressed at how terrible it was, I loathed literally everything about it.
>>63222768
>people unironically believe in this "distinction"
>>63222628
He's great, but very minimalist. Read some stuff before watching it so you'll understand it better and not have any misconceptions. I watched A Man Escaped without knowing anything about it and kept thinking "this nigga Bresson is on a tight budget/schedule". Then i read about him and saw his work chronologically, which is the proper way.
>>63222639
I agree with everything you said, but you have to agree that watching an auteur's filmography is infinitely more satisfying than watching a bunch of random movies.
>>63222628
Quite, but he takes some getting used to to fully realize why he's great.
I suggest reading his book on cinematography alongside his films.
From Tark's Sculpting in Time book
>"His guiding principle was the elimination of what is known as 'expressiveness', in the sense that he wanted to do away with the frontier between the image and actual life; that is, to render life itself graphic and expressive. No special feeding in of material, nothing laboured, nothing that smacks of deliberate generalisation. Paul Valery could have been thinking of Bresson when he wrote: 'Perfection is achieved only by avoiding everything that might make for conscious exaggeration.' Apparently no more than modest, simple observation of life. The principle has something in common with Zen art, where, in our perception, precise observation of life passes paradoxically into sublime artistic imagery."
>>63222849
>Reading on director first
Fuck off pleb.
>>63222841
>americans cannot handle several more words in their vocabulary
>>63222809
But you don't know if it got better by the end.
>>63222892
Art is context you ignant fool, stop trying to sound "patrician"
>>63222892
This Tbh.
>>63222901
I speak a latin language and i don't have translations for flick, movie and film. it's just called film regardless of being a Tarantino or a Bergman
>>63222925
I know for a fact that Tarkovsky wouldn't agree with you.
>>63220870
I don't know. Was he *that* good at watching?
>>63222996
Probably.
>>63222977
>Fact
Prove it. If you do, i probably still won't change my mind, but it'll be interesting to see a good argument from the other side other than "pleb"
>>63222996
I'm sure he watched more films in a year than you will in your entire
>>63223043
You can google it yourself but I saw the quote on here before. He wanted his films to be emotional/spiritual experiences that anyone could get something out of. Not just studied film snobs.
>>63223105
>You can google it yourself but I saw the quote on here before
Thanks for nothing
>He wanted his films to be emotional/spiritual experiences that anyone could get something out of. Not just studied film snobs.
Guess it didn't work the way he intended then. But you need to know a little about film in order to fully appreciate it. That's why context is important.
>>63223069
Wow so he sat on his russian vodka phone thru several thousand flicks. Impressive.
>>63222265
>woman's driving force
>submission
>man's driving force
>creation
Thank you based Tarkovsky.
>>63223171
Before "but you need to know" i missed typing "I like Tark,"
>>63220870
DUDE POISONED TO DEATH USING RADIOACTIVE CHEMICALS IN THEIR DRINKS BY KGB AS HIS FRIEND PARADJANOV BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MAKE FILMS IN CAPITALIST COUNTRIES LMAO
>>63223171
Maybe if you beg someone else will spoonfeed you?
Either way not all art is made for the intelligentsia to masturbate over and people with your mindset are honestly missing the point and should probably care a little less about posturing and more about simply being able to immerse yourself in film.
>>63223207
>>63222457
Why do you guys always leave out the "in the name of love" bit?
Anyways, I think his feelings on that very thing are shown in Nostalghia.
relevant
film is not art and will never be art
i want reddit and /mu/ to leave
>>63223383
because the formatting sucks and makes you think it's a seperate answer
>>63223357
>Either way not all art is made for the intelligentsia to masturbate over and people with your mindset are honestly missing the point and should probably care a little less about posturing and more about simply being able to immerse yourself in film.
I agree mate. I'm just saying that you can't just jump on every film without any previous knowledge of the artist and the context in which it was made and expect the same level of insight as someone who knows his shit, even on a basic level.
>>63222925
Bresson's intention with his camera doesn't need to be looked up or studied, it's there on film. You either react to it or you don't. No one sits and wonders why a poet writes in a certain meter or foot, but they feel the effects. Someone looks up the reasoning behind it for critical analysis reasons. Bresson and Tarkovsky both express that they want an emotional experience, rather than an intellectual one. Not only that, but they both champion simplicity. They want the viewer to understand without knowledge on a specific subject. They saw that kind of thing you talk about counter-intuitive when concerning art and its consumption. I agree, you don't need to look up why Bresson does what he does. It's self-explanatory.
https://youtu.be/DVODh2lkVdc?t=46
Only Bresson is on the same level.
>>63223172
what are you doing on /tv/ then? spamming BBC?
>>63223586
This vid feels like an interrogation.
>>63223427
cinema > poetry
>>63223673
Bitch also keeps interrupting him.
>>63222849
>an auteur's filmography is infinitely more satisfying than watching a bunch of random movies
Watching random films keeps the good ones special though. And auteurs don't have to focus on something complex, I think there's a lot of plebeian auteurs who still do what they do well. It's impossible to say Chris Columbus is a great director but he's a great auteur of comfy and pedestrian and even in the most mediocre stuff there can be one really great shot that makes it worthwhile.
>>63223586
I really need to get around to watching some Bresson because I completely agree with that philosophy on art.
>>63223586
>Bresson's intention with his camera doesn't need to be looked up or studied, (...)They want the viewer to understand without knowledge on a specific subject.
I understand this and agree.
>They saw that kind of thing you talk about counter-intuitive when concerning art and its consumption
You probably misinterpreted my post, which is fine because i didn't elaborate. Everything you said before is true and you don't need to "study" the film, art is about emotions, i'm not saying you should analyze it beyond what the film is already conveying. What i'm saying is that when you understand why Bresson and Tark made films they way they did, their choices and ideas on what films are supposed to be, it puts their work into a context in which you can appreciate it more.
>>63223427
poetry is for hack writers
>>63223858
Triggered
>>63223832
I think those are two different kinds of appreciation desu. One is for the emotional aspect while the other is for critical analysis. And you wont really care about the latter if the former didn't already satisfy you to some degree.
>>63223858
True lol
>>63223858
Poetry is objectively superior to prose.
>>63221279
Really? I find Kiarostami to be much better than Tarr. You can't really mask his narrative works, and they far surpass Tarr's repetitive and meek storytelling tactics.
>>63224416
The opposite actually.
>>63220885
cozy films for hipster twats
>>63224341
They're not segregated, they both affect each other, as you said so yourself.
>>63224421
I also think 'stami is better than Tarr, but Tarr doesn't give a shit about storytelling mate, from the man himself
>I don't care about stories. I never did. Every story is the same. We have no new stories. We're just repeating the same ones. I really don't think, when you do a movie that you have to think about the story. The film isn't the story. It's mostly picture, sound, a lot of emotions. The stories are just covering something.
>>63220870
Sergei Paradjanov
>>63222265
>>63225901
Tarkovsky's sass is great.
>>63221284
kek
>>63224559
He was a degenerate who preyed on young Circassian boys
>>63226371
Bergman is the true best filmmaker of all time
but there are plenty of filmmakers who have made films very close to Andrei's level, if not better.
>>63226563
Bergman is great, but even he knew what was up.
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/IB_On_AT.html
>>63226563
>>63226991
>>63226882
i said he was the best filmmaker, not the best film critic
The Mirror > Stalker > Nostalghia > Andrei Rublev > The Sacrifice > Solaris > Ivans Childhood
>>63227147
Mirror/Nostalghia > Sacrifice/Andrei Rublev > Stalker > Solaris/Ivan's Childhood
>>63220870
also an interesting read
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/TheTopics/Brakhage_and_Tarkovsky.html
>>63226563
>>63226991
>>63226882
>Bergman
Which one of his flicks should I start with?
>>63227073
kek
>>63227183
This is correct desu
>>63227513
Cries and Whispers, Winter Light are his best, but I'd start with The Seventh Seal, Wild Strawberries, or Persona.
>>63227767
Thanks.
>>63227513
>start with
Doesn't matter, you don't need to watch his filmography because he has plenty of mediocre-to-bad films. Google "bergman's best films" and watch those.
>>63227420
>"The colours are shit"
Fucking hell Tark
>>63227954
Do you consider Shame to be one of those?
>>63229072
Not him, but Shame was alright. 8/10 on a very good day, a solid 7 any other day. It's certainly no Winter Light, Cries and Whispers, Hour of the Wolf, Autumn Sonata or Scenes from a Marriage.
I just want to say that Tarkovsky is my favourite director. From the others mentioned in this thread I like him the most. The question of who or even if there is someone better than him is very easily answered for me because his movies make me feel something special (sounds tacky but that's just how it is).
Tarkovsky makes me happy :)
Also mfw I see a Tarkovsky thread
PS: My favourite movie is Nostalghia
>>63229148
I rated Shame 8/10 and have only seen the Seventh Seal before that. I really need to watch more Bergmann
>>63225901
the proto-/tv/ shitposter
>>63229232
His face is like pudding skin. Very defined laugh lines, they're like gills. Such a beautiful soul in that man. I love his prose as much as his films.
>>63229232
Nostalghia is an excellent film. It mirrors perfectly what is like to bear an emotionally broken spirit in a forcefully mechanic body that must not succumb to his feelings despite not having a strong reason to live or not being able to see what is worth living for. The film oozes melancholy with sparse but eye-popping moments of beauty.
>>63227513
>>63227767
>tfw become disenchanted with Bergman
Watching The Seventh Seal a year ago is what actually got me into film properly, and I loved it and some of his other movies, but now they don't do much for me. I think The Seventh Seal might still be my favorite (or Wild Strawberries), if only because, as I recall, it doesn't have any of the scathing monologues that seem to inhabit most of Bergman's films. His characters' diatribes are just somewhat off-putting to me nowadays. Oddly enough, Winter Light is one that I liked quite a lot recently despite the fact that there are a bunch of them in that movie, and that five minute scene of Thulin reading her letter is fantastic.
I dunno, I still like and enjoy his movies, but I'm not enamored with them anymore now that I've started to explore more stuff. Wild Strawberries definitely has the most emotive ending tho
>>63227183
guy you quoted here. i want an explanation on why you have stalker so low, especially since it's the only one we seem to disagree on
>>63221419
That's Marcissus you fucking newfag
>>63220870
Entry level plen detected
>>63229634
I love Stalker, but I just love those other films a bit or a lot more. And even Ivan's Childhood and Solaris I'd put at or above any other film I've seen. Tark's like the pinnacle of film to me - as memey as that may sound.
>>63229561
Not that guy, but it's my favorite of his as well (though I still haven't seen The Sacrifice, Stalker, or Andrei Rublev, and I know the latter two are among his best). Tark has a way of crafting scenes that may, in and of themselves, not seem terribly remarkable from a story standpoint, but they just create a fantastically calming effect that is difficult to explain -- that scene towards the end of Ivan's Childhood when the two soldiers are walking through the marsh into enemy territory springs to mind.
>>63229714
ah ok, i feel you. solaris is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite of his (and in my top 50 overall), but objectively i feel it's inferior.. if we went by favorite/personal preference it would be
Mirror (my 2nd favorite movie)
Solaris
Stalker (these 2 are very, very close)
Nostalghia
Andrei Rublev
The Sacrifice
Ivans Childhood
>>63229661
Marcissus would wear an Ashley Greene shirt though
>>63229732
It's second only to Andrei Rublev. While AR is not as authentic or narratively daring as his latter works, and is more of an epic and rather simple and conventional, it is majestic and a profoundly contemplative experience. A biblical prose made of celluloid rather than printed words.
