Any other examples of the same story being adapted across 3 different mediums?
>Some stupid fucking autistic manchild reads a harrowing novella and bonafide cinematic masterpiece but they didn't have the same effect on has a FPS he played in 30 minutes burst between jerking off to My Little Pony porn and eating flamin' hot Doritos.
Another bright product of the American education system.
>>63210048
this pleb actually thinks that games can't have better stories and insights about life than books and movies
Star Wars
>>63210048
10/10
Lord of the rings and star wars had books, games and films
>>63210048
When will you realize that video games has surpassed film?
>>63210122
this nerd actually thinks video games offers anything of value
>>63210122
>can't have better stories and insights about life than books and movies
Video games are consumer playthings made by committees with the number one goal of being commercially profitable.
Its format and its audience inhibits any worthwhile product.
Hamlet
Darth Vader
Arthas
Dante's Inferno
>>63210200
The same goes for all media.
>>63210200
>being this dumb
>>63210304
>>63210169
>A Game of Thrones
>Boyhood
>Cloud Atlas
>Interstellar
>Anime not under cartoons, who's kidding who?
>Gone Home
>Bioshock Infinite
>Dragon Age
Had to stop there
Please put a trigger warning on this image
>>63210304
I feel sorry for you if that's what you really believe.
>>63209871
This image is so triggering.
>DUNNO ONLY WATCH IT ONCE LOL xD
>HARRISON FORD EL OH EL GLASSES xD HEHE
>>63210122
let me guess, you think video games can be art
>>63210200
You're talking about ONE type of video game: "AAA" games. The problem with your analysis is that "AAA" games are vastly outnumbered by the smaller scale, and independent varieties. Do you look at only the movies that go to theaters and let those form your opinion of all film?
>>63209871
I remember when people would post that shit on /v/ unironically
>>63210402
Video games are consumer playthings regardless of if they're "AAA" or of the independent variety.
There is little difference in 'artistic merit' between a toy made by a multi-national conglomerate, and a toy made by a small homestead.
>>63209871
The book is better than the shitty game and movie though
>>63210253
Not bad. Another one is:
The Iliad
Troy
God of War
Basically characters that are motivated by pure rage and are close to unkillable. Apparently this sort of character is a common theme with Ancient Greece.
No but here's the same opinion adapted across 20 posts.
>>63210503
back to /v/ with you.
>>63209871
Mein Kampf
Birth of a Nation
Hatred
>>63210447
>artist merit
Meaningless. It doesn't matter what people do in life, everything is done for the same reason: happiness. Reaching a point of satisfaction is the single motivating factor of all people that ever existed. There is no inherent value in anything.
Concerning your first comment, no, not all games are made with the goal of financial gain. They are all made with profit (not necessarily monetary) in mind, but so is everything else.
>>63210668
>It doesn't matter what people do in life, everything is done for the same reason: happiness.
Historically demonstrably false. What kind of sheltered little brat are you?
>They are all made with profit (not necessarily monetary) in mind, but so is everything else
Not true even today in our consumer based society. Certainly not true globally or historically.
Why don't you pick up a book you braindead lemming. There's more to life than what is fed to you through a screen.
>>63210447
You're full of shit. Quit being so narrowminded and go out and find some games that really allow you to feel like a part of their world.
>>63210392
>videogames is the culmination of all the great arts
>hire artists
>hire composers
>hire coders/engineers
>hire actors
>give the element of choice
>now it's arbitrarily not art
Retarded as fuck desu baka senpai
video games are a fad. They won't be popular in 30-50 years. Mark my words.
>>63210863
History repeats itself
jazz music is a fad
movies are a fad
>>63210747
>NUH UH!
Great argument. I'm glad we had this enlightening discussion.
![md1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lI7AOHc.jpg "md1[1].jpg")
>>63210914
>jazz music is a fad
Stalker
>>63211030
You don't have an argument. You made sweeping, untrue generalizations unsubstantiated by anything and asserted them as fact because you're half retarded from being raised by TV.
>>63211077
Do the stalker games tackle any of the themes of the movie though? As far as I have seen they just share the setting.
>>63210451
Apocalypse Now is a better movie than Heart of Darkness is a book.
>>63211091
>You're wrong and I don't have to say why!
That's not really how a discussion works, dude. I told you why I didn't think "artistic merit" was a valid point and your response to my conclusions was essentially "NUH UH!". Try again.
>>63211204
go back to /v/ faggot, video games are not an art form
>>63211204
>I told you why I didn't think "artistic merit" was a valid point
There's no discussion to be had. Your 'argument' is that media can't be judged critically because "nothing has value".
Great argument. Video games are more than consumer playthings because you can't judge ANYTHING to have merit, therefore video games are just as deep and meaningful as say, a pile of horseshit and the Sistine chapel.
Take your post-structuralist braying back to reddit you dweeb.
>>63211253
That was never part of the discussion. The discussion is about artistry mattering at all in the first place. I assert that there's no inherent value to art, thus the phrase "artistic merit" is meaningless in the context of a conversation about the legitimacy of video games as a medium of storytelling.
>>63211328
>video games are just as deep and meaningful as say, a pile of horseshit and the Sistine chapel
Please explain to me how that's not true. Show me how the Sistine Chapel is objectively superior to a pile of shit.
The fact is all sense of value is born of people's inherent ignorance. Until I see a movie that I would like more than my current favorite movie, I'm going to value my current favorite more than the movie I haven't seen. All opinions are conditional.
>>63211253
Nice try, faggot, how do you feel that no film will ever reach the emotional impact of Undertale?
>>63209871
A lot of fairy tales have been a book, a movie and a musical/stage show ie beauty and the beast.
>>63210169
This is some good bait/redditcore
>>63211483
>>63211432
>Show me how the Sistine Chapel is objectively superior to a pile of shit.
>>63209871
>didn't get Heart of Darkness
>didn't get Apocalypse Now
>likes video games
>>63210392
Video games ARE art.Shitty art
The last good video game released was The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt.
Prove me wrong.
The last good video game released was The Simpsons Hit and Run.
Prove me wrong.
The last good video game released was Space Invaders.
Prove me wrong.
The last good video game released was The Citizen Kane.
Prove me wrong.
>>63210169
HOLY FUCK IM PLATINUM MAD AT THIS
The last good video game released was Kane and Lynch: Dead Men
Prove me wrong.
>>63210169
This is the best bait image I've ever seen t͏͏b͏͏h f͏͏a͏͏m. If you did this great job, it's mine now. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually took this from a redditor though.
>>63210169
>undertale
>DA: cisquisition
>bloodborne
>TLOU
>Sinfest
>whatever that tranny comic is called
>steven universe
>reddit & morty
>naruto
Great bait
>video games
my sides
>>63210914
Movie is essentially theatre, which has existed since the dawn of man.
There are a million reasons why video games won't exist or be as popular in the future
>>63211841
name them
>>63211872
I don't want to
>>63211193
The movie has nothing to do with the novel outside of the base premise, the games follow it way more closely
>>63211825
wold my iq jum to 130 if I would start reding liteture?
>>63211825
>television higher than genre fiction
>>63211972
yeh
>>63211972
Unfortunately, you will never truly understand and appreciate literature as it looks like your mind has been thoroughly poisoned by video games. Only people like myself with vastly superior intellectual intelligence can appreciate the works of Kafka, Camus etc.
>>63211872
1. Regulations by the parent company or producer. Who the fuck wants to keep paying $60 for a disc plus $40 more for add-ons?
2. Speaking of discs, those are on the way out of the door (Blockbuster) so you may as well throw consoles out as well.
3. Now that all your games are on the computer, prepare for even more regulations and contracts and shit
4. People finally growing up and realizing you can't play video games for 6 hours a day, work a job, and still have time for a social life
5. Copyrights that aren't seen in any other medium
6. Market saturation. Let's see: FPS and sports games. I just described 80% of the market.
7. Going back. You can watch a movie and move on. People still talk about Casablanca. Yet some people still play 20+ year old games and nothing else.
8. Power creep in MMOs, then another MMO is released, etc etc
9. The amount of people and companies constantly folding
10. Soon monopoly by parent companies
I can go on and on
>>63212025
how does Camus define justice?
>>63209871
I love the Black Angels. I had heard some of their stuff before Spec Ops, but the game reminded me of them again.
>>63212028
Not that anon but this is grasping at straws. And I haven't really played video games in years so I'm impartial here.
There is no way video games are going to die down in popularity soon. You're kidding yourself if you think this. In the last few decades it's become one of the fastest and largest growing industries in the world.
All of these points that you've made would be seen as bad to discerning customers, but the average pleb doesn't know or really care to understand how badly companies are screwing them over. They just want their consumer experience better streamlined under the pretense of "convenience".
This industry is here to stay for a very long time.
>>63212043
>how does Camus define justice?
I'm just memeing, leave me alone
>>63212028
>regulation
and mods allow games to take a life of their own
>consoles
good thing most of them are on PCs as well.
>regulations and contracts
GOG
>people growing up
like every other form of entertainment, the prerogative of getting on with regular life rests with the user
>copyrights
I wonder what the aforementioned modding scene comes into mind, also stuff like UE4 engine, or even the editors for dota 2 or SC2.
>market saturation
much like capeshit that is soon forgotten like sequels.
>going back
games like doom are important for the FPS genre and even level design to a certain extent, people will refer to it as a benchmark for good level design.
>power creep in MMOs
MOBAs are the new hotness.
>monopoly by parent companies
and yet the more consistently successful games have competitors that improve upon the games.
>>63212028
I'm don't even vidya, but even I know you're full of shit.
>>63212110
>In the last few decades it's become one of the fastest and largest growing industries in the world.
Tbh, this really doesn't mean anything.
Video Games aren't like computers, which are required to live nowadays. They aren't like movies, which are just theatre on screens. They aren't a form of art or painting, and they aren't writing or literature.
Video games are simple entertainment -- lets be honest. You're right. The majority of video game users are normies. They are 23 years old and will get bored of Madden 15, but they're still loyal because they remember Madden 06 or whatever at their friends house. But, they're grown -- they will see the $60 price tag on the game, $59 for a controller, $400 for a new console...will they really want to pay $500 for a game system they will barely use? No
Living in the first world is nice. You have your baby boomer parents buying you shit. Once our generation grows up, we probably won't have that luxury bro
So consoles are out of the door. Video games will move to computers and become a niche target once again as everyone grows up and the neckbeards stay neckbeards
>>63212191
>consoles are ded.
k
>>63212191
Oh yeah and the fastest growing video game market is APP games or iPhone games or whatever, which strengthens my hypothesis that consoles will become obsolete and these million dollar console companies will either
1. Go out of business
2. Learn they can't charge $60 for a disc anymore and also expect people to pay $499 for a new console
>>63212218
People in the future will laugh at us for buying consoles
Who would have thought in 1999 that Blockbuster would be dead? Yet here came Netflix and online movie streaming
>>63212191
I'm a /lit/ tourist who spends most of his spare time reading, so you're preaching to the choir here, but if you cannot see how naive this proselytizing of yours is then I honestly don't know what to tell you. You've become completely disconnected with the motivations of the average consumer. I'm not sure if this is out of pretentious conceit or not. Who knows.
>>63212238
yes, consoles themselves may be replaced by gaming computers, but the market will adapt, especially because you can do the same thing with a PC, that you can do with consoles, but in a much more modular way.
>>63210169
wow that's some impressive bait, especially the film part. a bit too obvious there but still top notch
>>63212247
Nice argument
if you really think people in the future will be willing to spend $1000.00 on video games, you're delusional my friend. It's no where near the same as dropping $2.00 for a movie ticket or $5.00 for a book.
>>63212297
>$2.00 for a movie ticket
are u from 1985?
>>63210169
TRIGGERED
>>63212297
>buy a gaymen PC
>can play all the games
>can pirate all the movies and the books
>>63212279
The market won't adapt. The majority of video games in the future will be played on people's phones. People who play video games on the computer will be seen as time-wasters, or suckers who still pay exorbitant amounts of money to con companies.
Even today, it's baffling to imagine people spending thousand of dollars on MMOs and online games, yet people do:
1. In the future, wages will go down (look it up, this generation or projected to be poorer than the last) No more spending that much on MMOs
2. Or consoles for that matter.
3. Even if people had that money, they wouldn't want to spend it, because hopefully people will be pissed at the companies for even attempting to charge that much
5. And what's the point of buying when you can just pirate
6. But then as I said, here come to regulations and handcuffs and monitoring
>>63212340
>pirate all I want
Not for long
>>63212297
>>63210169
the real bait is the posters acting like they've never seen this image before
>>63210169
I know this is bait, but totally spies was the only good thing on that list.
>>63210487
>Basically characters that are motivated by pure rage and are close to unkillable
Small parts of Iliad and Troy while it's the entire plot of God of War (and God of War 2 and 3 and 4 and 5). Way to prove videogame is a childish medium for simpletons
>>63212357
Lol? How am I wrong? Do you actually think:
>spending $600 on an Xbox1, spending $60 on CoD#12, spending $70 on Madden 17, and wasting $300 on more games
Is the same as
>7 bucks for a movie ticket or 10 bucks a month for Netflix
>5 bucks for a used, classic book
???
You honestly don't see that you gamers are being stooped, manipulated, taken advantage of? You're literally being pickpocketed for every cent.
Don't try to tell me I'm wrong, because I know /v/ hates day 1 DLC and add-ons
>>63212346
>majority of videogames will be played on phones.
and a large chunk of media production are reprocessed from the internet, that has nothing to do with the idea of artistic merit.
>even today it is baffling
because they are outliers, hell MMOs are slowly transitioning to a F2P model because they lose out to MOBAs.
>consoles
don't really matter in terms of artistic merit.
>people had that money
which is why companies now follow the DLC model because it lets them keep games afloat.
>regulations and monitoring
depends on the country.
>Not for long
eh, I live in a 3rd world country senpai, people here simply don't give a shit.
>>63212297
The average consumer isn't going to just give up playing video games. They've grown to love it too much. The younger generations have grown to feel as though they literally need it. And when they grow up and get over it a brand new generation will feel just as won over as they used to.
The market will regulate itself and costs therein or consumers will simply forgo things that they really need in order to buy what they don't. People do this with clothes and other items all the time. They know it's fiscally irresponsible but they don't care because they want what they want and they are going to go out and get it.
>>63212380
do you buy a console every time you buy a video game?
>spend 10$ on a movie ticket.
>3 hours later you have to leave the theater.
>buy a videogame for 60$
>play with it as long as you like without external constraints
>>63212380
Videogames are an expensive hobby, but the hours of media/dollar spent on getting it ratio is quite good.
I do agree with how "gamers" (please don't use that term, its reddit/9gag tier) are being pickpocketed.
>it's another /tv/ tries to talk about art thread
sm fucking h
>>63212391
>artistic merit
>video games
It's not art; it's entertainment. Call it what it is.
Sports isn't art -- they are entertainment
Movies (Theatre) is both.
Go read military Prussian historian Clauswitz. He does a good job debunking the myth of "war is art". You can't just say something is art and have it be art
>average consumer isn't going to just give up playing video games.
I did just that. I've probably saved $1000 in the past year alone. Feels good man. And guess what? I couldn't give a shit what new hella fucking epic Dante inferno delux edition comes out. Or what new Mario Kart number 99 rehash comes out. It doesn't matter to me.
>>63212414
No. Those consoles are hundreds of dollars though you fool.
You ignored my Netflix and other streaming services.
>spend 60 for Cowadooty
>spend 40 on add ons
>spend 60 on the next Cowadoody
>Repeat
Now replace it with other franchises like Pokemon or Mario or Halo and there you go
>>63212456
9 times out of 10 threads starting with that image devolve into art=storytelling arguments. At least this hasn't got that low yet.
>>63212480
Some video games can be art, as it is a series of moving images and sounds you interact with, otherwise known as interactive art. Of course, these are rare.
I do agree that the bubble is going to pop very, very soon. I don't see a ps6.
>>63212511
>as it is a series of moving images and sounds you interact with,
Lol that doesn't make something art
But yeah glad we agree on something. People one day will wonder how we could have agreed to pay so much for twenty pound machines and then pay for little disks and then pay for add ons. It just seems so silly
>>63212480
>artistic merit
>videogames are solely entertainment.
anon, if only you knew the work some modders have done.
>consoles are hundreds of dollars.
and people don't buy consoles on a yearly basis.
>>63212545
Dedicated videogame machines don't really have any use anymore. They're expensive, don't have that many good games and they're basically locked down PC's now.
Atleast a PC can also be used for work, watching movies, shitposting etc.
>>63212567
Doing work on something doesn't make it art
Art is not a synonym for a creation. You can create something. You can create art. But not everything created is a work of art.
I can respect a man for working on something and he earns his due. That makes him diligent, resourceful, thorough, etc. but it doesn't make him an artst
>>63212594
this to be honest.
>>63212511
>>63212545
>implying dwarf fortress wouldn't count as art
>>63212620
>creation is not art
alright, define art.
>>63212656
Are toys art?
>>63212676
depends on when said toy was made or if it was of remarkable craftsmanship, or based on the emotional value attached to it.
>>63212656
>THE choice between these terms seems to be still undecided, and no one seems to know rightly on what grounds it should be decided, and yet the thing is simple. We have already said elsewhere that knowing is something different from doing. The two are so different that they should not easily be mistaken the one for the other. The doing cannot properly stand in any book, and therefore, also, Art should never be the title of a book. But because we have once accustomed ourselves to combine in conception, under the name of theory of Art, or simply Art, the branches of knowledge (which may be separately pure sciences), necessary for the practice of an art: therefore, it is consistent to continue this ground of distinction, and to call everything Art when the object is to carry out the doing (being able), as for example, Art of building; Science, when merely knowledge is the object; as Science of Mathematics, of Astronomy.
>...but now we come forward with the assertion, that war is neither an art nor a science in the real signification, and that it is just the setting out from that starting-point of ideas which has led to a wrong direction being taken, which has caused war to be put on a par with other arts and sciences, and has led to a number of erroneous analogies.
This has indeed been felt before now, and on that account it was maintained that war is a handicraft; but there was more lost than gained by that, for a handicraft is only an inferior art, and as such is also subject to definite and rigid laws. In reality the art of war did go on for some time in the spirit of a handicraft; we allude to the times of the Condottieri; but then it had that direction, not from intrinsic but from external causes; and military history shows how little it was at that time in accordance with the nature of the thing, or satisfactory.
Just replace war with video games desu
>>63212728
I tried senpai, but what do bands of italian mercenaries have to do with vidya?
>>63212756
It's actually mid 1800 Prussian scientist that eventually invented rocketry and then sent is too the moon. Not Italians, haha but youre so funny anon
Video games are not art. Try again
>>63212777
>>63212728
>science of mathematics
wew, Clausewitz really wan't into mathematical proofs was he?
>video games are not art
by this metric, neither are films.
>>63211825
>WWE in theatre
The bait was pretty good until there
>>63209871
>Spec Ops
I didn't like that game. It was a generic boring third person shootan and I got the "WAR IS BAD" message after the first 5 minutes, after that all spooky war stuff just seemed like force feeding. Some people have said to me that the point of this game is not to be "fun", as in some meta message that war is not supposed to be fun and war in real life is just as tedious, or something.
That's sounds like bullshit. I understand war is hell, but even games that are literally about capturing the realism of warfare (ie. ARMA) can be fun. Spec Ops didn't even let me do my own choices and then I'm supposed to feel bad for the choices I didn't even have. Even Mass Effect games gave me some feels because at least I chose the actions that caused the bad things later on.
>>63213270
>he thinks wrestling is real
kek back to redit kiddo
>>63210122
They can, but Heart of Darkness and Apocalypse Now >>>>>>>>>>>>> Spec Ops: The Line
>art
>any inherent value
This is what liberal arts cųckolds actually believe.
>>63212028
You do realize that videogames generates more than the movie and music industry combined right? You're dead wrong
>>63210122
They can't.
>>63210200
This.
>>63210850
>>63211583
It's art, but it doesn't have nearly as much artistic value as the many other forms of art.
Why do /v/irgins shill that shitty game?
>>63211825
Sports should be on par with tv tbqh.
>>63210200
Unlike movies?
Or unlike books?
Ever heard of a book that was made just to make money?
Ever heard of a movie that was made just to make money?
Me neither. These things cannot exist.
It only happens in videogames.
>>63212055
What song of theirs is the one on the picutre in the OP?
I'm not interested in adapting the same story to different mediums but, rather telling a story across various mediums. A story that starts as a book, continues from where the book left off as a graphic novel, continues from where the comic left off as a rock opera concept album, continues from album as movie, continues from movie as game, continues from vidya as tv show, and continues from tv going full circle and concluding with another book.
>>63209871
The fact that spec ops was a by the numbers TPS and had a multiplayer mode made the message it was trying to send irrelevant
>>63214450
millenials
what does gamey shit like managing your ammo or arbitrary shooting galleries or arbitrary weapons (the last of us and shivs) or arbitrary platforming sections have to do with actual art
ITT: /tv/ proves again that it doesn't know shit about art
>>63214721
Bad Vibrations is the song in Spec Ops.
>>63211825
>posting the wrong version
