Is this cinema?
>>63180361
no, not at all
>>63180361
No, that's actual art
no it's pretentious anime and it's for mongs
>>63180361
>be japanese man
>get high and put crosses and bible references all over your show, you don't know what they mean but they look cool
>weeaboo teenagers across the ocean spend years of their lives deciphering the hidden meaning of your show
bravo anno
>>63180361
yeah
>>63180361
No, but it's a very pretty movie.
Cinema is more than aesthetic.
>>63180361
yes
>>63180649
funny you think its weeaboos and not cinephile rejects who think everything is an allegory for christian guilt who shoved that garbage down everyone's throat more then 15 years ago.
>>63180361
>>63180361
End of Evangelion is a trainwreck of a film but it has some really beautiful imagery.
On a literal level the plot is nonsensical soft sci-fi/mecha garbage. On an emotive level though I think it actually does a good job representing Shinji's inner angst and anxiety.
Despite being so messy it's still very watchable, which I suppose is a triumph of sorts.
weebshit
>>63180361
i dont really like chinese cartoons
>>63180924
Whoa nigga where is all this shit coming from
IT ALL COMES
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
>>63180361
Evangelion is probably the worst thing that I love. It's really not very good. But it's got a special place in my heart forever.
>>63180361
It looks good but still shit
>implying Oriental cartoons can be anything more than flicks
>>63180361
fuck /tv/ nigga this series is great I like the plot I like the characters I like it all
>>63182266
Have you ever heard of punctuation?
>>63182314
you understood my intent without it
>>63180649
>he thinks eva is deep just because of religious imagery
>calls anyone a pleb
>>63182589
oh I'm sorry, it's deep because of MUH NIHILISM and MUH DEAD MOMS PILOTING THE ROBOT
>>63182709
You could trivialise anything with a plot by going
>muh X
>>63182727
sure but not all of them sound so stupid
Should I watch it? Never have, nor the show.
>>63180361
is this the one where he faps to the dying girl?
>>63182809
It's meaningless without the context of the show. And the show is 26 episodes. The show is good, but it's definitely an endeavor to watch all that, especially considering how emotionally draining the show can get.
>>63182764
>MUH INVISIBLE FORCE PULLING LITERALLY EVERYTHING DOWN
this is
>>63183077
Rebuild is LITERAL trash.
>>63184296
Explain
>>63180649
That makes it even deeper.
no this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF3c3SrgnAk
>>63180649
To be fair you could meme-text the same thing about anything Jodorowsky's done and be about as accurate.
>>63182817
Not dying, but protag does fap onto a girl who's comatose.
>>63183077
>CG
automatic trash
>>63180649
It's because he is a vegetarian
>>>/a/
/tv/ is weaboo free
>>63184710
Keep telling yourself that, hothead.
>>63184652
>CG
>automatic trash
There's CG in EoE, it looks like complete garbage
>>63184792
Is there? I don't remember. If it's during the one of the weird montages where everything is freaking out I'd consider it forgivable. And who cares anyway since CG or not nothing Gainax has ever produced has surpassed Royal Space Force.
>>63180361
In short, yes
>>63180649
Religious iconography has nothing to do with why Evangelion is so masterful.
>>63184543
Not him but:
1.11:
-worse colors (digital vs hand painted)
-CGI eyesores
-product placement out the ass
-retread of the same content from the TV show but with worse direction, pacing, character establishment/development and vocal performances
2.22:
-Same visual problems as above
-every character besides shinji is destroyed, flanderized and summarized to a sentence
-the concept of evas are undermined into super-robot BS
-Mari is a literal mary sue with no character or purpose
3.33:
-same visual problems
-shinji is destroyed along with the rest of the characters
-the entire film could be accurately summerized in three sentences
-time skip with absolutely nothing interesting coming out of it
>>63184622
for you
>>63186733
Explain what evangelion is about, in detail.
If it's so simple and shallow it must ve easy to summerize, right?
>>63186582
>3.33:
>same visual problems
It looked much better than the previous two. Better color choices, less blur smeared over everything - resulting in crisper lines, plus that sweet-ass 2.35:1 ratio, not to mention Hiroyuki Okiura and Toshiyuki Inoue joining in on the animation
granted, the visuals are all it has going for it
>>63186582
1.0 and 2.0 were fine.
>>63186858
This meme needs to end
2.22 was far worse than 3.33
>>63186890
HAHAHAA no.
>>63180361
It´s a tour de force for sure.
>>63184652
>To be fair you could meme-text the same thing about anything Jodorowsky's done and be about as accurate.
Jodorowsky wrote most of his movies while under the influence of drugs though so he probably doesn't know what his movies mean either
>>63180361
>>63180838
>>63181337
>Cinema, movies and flicks are different things
Well meme'd, my friends.
>>63186840
The colors were BETTER but still not nearly as good, the cgi was still noticable and the direction was still inferior to the show
>>63186928
3.33 was shit, but it was shitty evangelion
2.22 was naruto + gurren lagann
>>63184543
>Explain
Okay.
They present themselves as a four part movie series (still unfinished) which serves as a remake or retelling of the original. Three movies out so far.
Now, that doesn't sound so bad at first, remakes happen frequently and there's a lot of opportunity to reanimate some of the scenes in the original that weren't up to par with the rest. The rebuilds deliver somewhat in this regard, although some are put off by it's new digital look versus the older grainy look. (Filming still images (cells) with a camera vs digital production).
>New Movie Edition Evangelion You are (not) Alone
Mostly a remake scene for scene, but with some rather outrageous yet ineffective changes (thus far). Some secrets are let out early. All in all it does it's job well in choosing where to end and start the movie, having a natural climax after Ramiel is defeated and we see Rei and Shinji reunite at the end after the battle.
>New Movie Edition Evangelion You can (not) Advance
This is where things start to change. Many things are cut, and despite that it remains the longest movie of the three so far. It captures tonally the first half of the series, although it delves into a little darker territory after the second half of the movie than the original did. There is a new character, and some new plot elements are introduced. All in all it retains the most important aspects, although sadly this means some characters will have to be let go.
However, the chief characters are all well-developed and different from the original, all in a realistic manner, and the twist at the end sets up the story for a new direction.
>New Movie Edition Evangelion You can (not) Redo
If you're wondering why Rebuild is considered trash after reading the first two, then this movie is the chief reason. The plot and story is abandoned, there are more arbitrary plot elements introduced than you can count, and it's either trying to make out some characters as the best thing ever, or the worst ever.
>>63184543
>>63187111
>New Movie Edition Evangelion You can (not) Redo
Suffice to say, the movie never goes anywhere and can be entirely construed as a pandering plot coming straight from the producer. Any sense of legitimacy the movies had are now completely gone, and the Rebuild movies are written off as trash.
The third one was as devastating for Rebuild as just dropping the story after episode 12 would have been in Evangelion. Not even the Star Wars prequels combined were as bad as 3.0.
>>63187047
Now that's a meme that needs to die, the "lel comparison to naruto and lagann animee xd do I fit in yet gaize?? xD".
By that logic the original was gurren lagann because they hopped into volcanoes, danced on naval vessels in the pacific and literally had a dance routine set to music to defeat an Angel.
Say what you want, but 2.22's most ridiculous thing, the impact at the end was realistic compared to what the original TV-series pulled.
power rangers for teen weebs.so deep.
Is this art?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6ilpvm72A
>>63181230
>not very good
The biggest of middle fingers to otakus ever portrayed in theaters.
>worst thing that i love
One of these things is not like the other,
One of these things just doesent belong.
>>63187194
>dislikes the original ending
>SERIOUSLY comparing magma diver to ttgl, not even dance like you want to win
Taste invalidated, 2.22 was full of the anime wishfullment fantasy (besides the end) that evangelion is not about
>>63183077
Seriously, when the fuck is Evangelion 4.0 coming out?
There isn't even a ballpark release date yet.
What the fuck is Anno doing? Why doesn't he just finish the fourth movie and get on with his life? What is he waiting for?
>>63187553
>implying I dislike the original ending
>buttsore magma diver and dance like you want to win is trash
>spouting buzzwords
2.22 was no more anime wish fulfillment than NGE was boy. It had more serious stuff going on than talking about shinjis hot springs boner or the dancing to "SAVE THE DAY HERO!" nonsense NGE had.
Face it, NGE was not only campy and trashy as fuck in the beginning, but 2.0 cut most of that crap out.
>>63187618
In case you didn't watch 3.0, the movie was complete and utter garbage. It's one of the few times "polished turd" actually fits as a description.
Where exactly do you go after 3.0? It just spent 90 minutes undoing anything good the Rebuild series had going for it and tried to cover it up by turning up the otaku appeal to MAXIMUM.
4.0 can't realistically be much different. Anno knew this.
4.0 is not even close to beginning production and it won't be for some time.
>>63187695
>In case you didn't watch 3.0,
I did watch 3.0. I just want to watch 4.0 so that I can be over and done with the Eva series. I don't like leaving stories hanging, even shitty stories.
>4.0 is not even close to beginning production and it won't be for some time.
Source? How the fuck is this even possible? Eva 3.0 came out in November 2012. What has he been doing in the three years since it came out?
>>63187648
what is this from
I have been thinking about watching Evangelion.
Where should I start?
>>63187623
but it didn't cut it out
they just changed it around and shoved it down your throat because retards like you cant see past hot springs and dancing robots.
>>63187742
Fuck all apparently, except directing the newest Godzilla which won't be out until summer 2016.
But the point of 3.0 was never to tell a story, I think it was just a way for Anno to compensate for how the fanbase hurt him in the 90's. Basically he's a big manchild who was angry Rei got popular and the rest got left in the character's shadow.
3.0 and most of his Khara work (the studio he established after Gainax) always unsubtly disses Rei or writes it out of the story somehow. 3.0 was just the latest tempter tantrum or something, and since it worked to his effect there's no real need for a 4.0.
No but this is
>>63187843
So why the fuck did he even begin the Rebuild project anyway?
>>63187842
>but it didn't cut it out
I don't see no dumbass volcanojumping or giant robot anime twister in 2.22.
>b-but you can't see past those things
You sound like a narutobaby bitching about how patricians won't see past naruto's endless powerlevel bullshit.
Grow up, stop being a hypocrite, and face the facts:
1.11 and 2.22 were decent movies. 3.33 screwed the pooch and jumped the shark.
>>63187618
>What the fuck is Anno doing? Why doesn't he just finish the fourth movie and get on with his life? What is he waiting for?
He oversaw the Japan Animator Expo, so that probably took up some of his time. Especially since a few of the shorts were Eva related (which was a bit of a crass move if you ask me)
Khara put out a call for animators earlier in the year though, so they're definitely working on it right now.
>>63187847
Art it it's purest form.
>>63187880
Money for one.
But it's a project he does to reshape Evangelion into something more otaku-pandering. Most seem to forget that Anno is the Otaku Prime.
>>63187912
>He oversaw the Japan Animator Expo, so that probably took up some of his time.
He didn't oversee it, at most he contributed the logo. The eva-related shorts have nothing to do with him.
They just use the IP because Anno is whoring it out.
>Khara put out a call for animators earlier in the year though, so they're definitely working on it right now.
They do so every year and there's literally nobody working on it.
>>63184543
EoE sits at the edge between anime shit and actual cinema. Rebuild is just anime shit. Doestn even try to hide it. Mari is the most retarded addition to the movies or to any sequel ever in general. Head to head with jar jar Binks. You might want to try to find a hidden meaning on the stupidity of the character. But there is none. Its just a shit character made from washed out hacks and pandering to the otakus they tried to criticize in the first series.
>>63186858
2.0 is shit.
1.0 was a subpar 1:1 adaptation. 2.0 was shit. 3.0 while it wasnt good at least it was something 100% new and was a bit more emotional than 2.0.
>>63188079
0/10
>>63188079
Nah, 1.0 and 2.0 were fine. 3.0 isn't really new, it's rehashing episodes 23 and 24 only stretching them out to 90 minutes, leaving it to be the most vapid movie they could possibly make. The worst part is that it didn't even make sense to adapt that part yet, which is why they needed a 14 year long timeskip and basically rewriting all the characters to be literal retards.
1.0 was a fair adaptation of the first six episodes.
2.0 was great in the sense that it balanced new and old, while making sure development and characterization was being done.
But 3.0.... at most you can say it had new designs, but unlike the previous two they were arbitrary designs void of any sort of meaning, unless you count pandering.
As a movie it was entirely predictable.
The only "unpredictable" thing concerning 3.0 was that it'd be this predictable and downright boring, or this outright bad.
If you like 3.0, you didn't like the original and only watch evangelion for wish fulfillment nonsense.
>>63188106
3.0 while a shit sequel. on its own content still has some merit as movie. If you can isolate the movie from the others you can find some stuff worth to watch.
2.0 has neither merit on its own or as part of the series. 2.0 has nothing going on either as sequel or as stand alone movie.
>>63187835
If you're being serious, watch the original show eps 1-26 then watch EoE
>>63188227
>3.0 while a shit sequel. on its own content still has some merit as movie. If you can isolate the movie from the others you can find some stuff worth to watch.
Doing that would completely ruin the entire premise of the movie, and not only that, would make it even more shallow than it already is.
>2.0 has neither merit on its own or as part of the series. 2.0 has nothing going on either as sequel or as stand alone movie.
That's a bold statement. 2.0 continues 1.0's characters in a straight forward way, introduces two new characters and develops one of them proper while setting up the second. Not only that, it's the first movie whose plot diverges in a major and believable way, introducing changes that while different, maintain the sense of realism found in Evangelion.
It has a lot going on. 3.0 on the other hand, has nothing going on at all whatsoever, and it's so bad that you just admitted to literally having to give it handicaps so you "maybe" can find some stuff worth to watch.
3.0 is an outright bad movie, even as an isolated movie. Hell it gets worse then. Imagine having zero context for it all.
>>63187757
looks like song of the sea
>>63180361
>>63183077
>>63187648
>>63187847
What films are these, you obscurantist hipster cunts
>>63187757
Song of the sea
>>63187847
why do anime tits always look like they've been oiled up before
>>63187648
This is pure shit.
>>63182266
This, fuck all you. it was great
>>63182991
Made me kek desu
It's true though it's not a valid criticism
>>63188472
Go watch your Tarantino & Nolan flicks.
>>63187847
source now
>>63188621
I don't watch flicks which aren't even complex enough for 7 year old kids.
Literally Reddit: The Anime.
Watch good anime you heathens. Fuck I hate weeks.
Examples of good anime:
Ashita no Joe
Akage no Anne
Ping Pong the Animation
Samurai Flamenco
Texhnolyze
Aria the Animation
Eve no Jikan
>>63187912
he's making shin gojira
>14 yo girls in plugsuits
Yes
Alright, interesting debate time?
If the best of anime and the best of Western animation (barring independent short films) were pitted in terms of quality, who would win?
I believe that anime would, just on the basis, that even if a lot of it is quite derivative, it has been able to convey more interesting material through its supposed "pinnacles" than many Western cartoons
>>63180361
Is this?
>>63180361
>anime
Fuck off back to /v/, kid.
>>63188849
It's not like they're revealing or anything. When you can make out Asuka's nipples through the suit in the beach scene at the end of EoE is literally the only time there's any detail of that sort.
>>63188901
>were pitted in terms of quality
>quality
That's very broad. Too broad to pit a century's worth of the entire output of a hemisphere up against
>>63188940
wtf
I was an EVAmaniac since the '90s, I literally loved that series and the movies, but NO, It's not Cinema. Because it's targeted to a certain audience, while a real work of art, like a good film should be, tries to attract every kind of audience to its themes and its meanings.
EVA its ony about depressed otakus, it's interesting for those who want to study the phenomenon, but for everyone else it's just a pathetic sci-fi opera.
>>63189144
>self loathing and fear/self doubt isn't part of the human condition
>>63187889
He was a different anon, and you seem to be the one acting childish.
If you genuinely think 2.22 is as good as the series than you didn't understand the series.
>>63180361
No anon, that's pleb tier "im 16 and this art" anime shit.
>>63190082
If evangelion is so shallow, care to explain the simple themes in a summery? Surely something this pleb can be summerized accurately in a few sentences or so?
>>63190066
Manchild, please. I'm not the one thinking "gurren lagann+naruto" is a valid or adult argument to make, or conveniently forgets the childish nonsense in the original.
Get your head out of your ass and throw your shit opinion away if you can't even defend it.
>>63190359
You sound upset to be honest.
The characters are paper thin and the girls are turned into wish fulfilment fantasy (cooking contest, rei becomes more moe, asuka does as well)
The show had a couple of goofy moments but never was there a point that it was at the expense of the characters or the main themes of the show. The films are genuinely awful as an adaptation of evangelion. As it's own thing, it's a marginally above average robot film.
>>63188668
>>63188327
Valkyrie Drive
>>63190175
man want woman and dad
woman want attention
another woman attention from dad
ohh the dilemma!
>>63190729
Those aren't themes you dingus.
>>63190729
Congratulations, you've invalidated your opinion!
>3.0+1.0 delayed because of Anno doing the new Japanese Godzilla movie
Just cancel it. It's clear he has no more interest or motivation to finish the series.
I wouldn't even be mad. The new movie looks like shit if they're sticking with the teaser.
>>63187847
Me on the left
>>63188388
only way of adding depth
>>63191177
And this is how I know this isn't /a/.
>>63191469
>>63190477
You sound more upset, genuinely honest here.
Because it takes serious self-delusion to believe just half of what you said. The characters are paper thin? Just like they were in the beginning of NGE.
Asuka or Rei is moe? The characters who are above all known for seriously powerboosting the attraction towards moe characters in the 90's, some fifteen years ago almost by the time 2.22 came out? If they're moe in 2.22, then you bet they're just following the original.
Cooking contest? What the fuck? There was no such thing in either 1.11 or 2.22.
The films aren't as great as the original. But for all intents and purposes 1.11 and 2.22 were just fine the way they were, because you had two more movies that could develop them further. NGE would be trash if it ended at episode 13, and even the first two movies would make better points than the original.
You lack so much history and insight dude. It's like you're parroting some dumb 4chan post rather than thinking for yourself. So yeah after thinking about it, I sort of am upset. Upset at your basic-ass otaku faggot face, because I'm so disappointed dumb people like you even exist in the year two thousand and fifteen. What's your excuse for being so obviously wrong m8?
>>63191812
>Cooking contest? What the fuck? There was no such thing in either 1.11 or 2.22.
There was, it was in 2.22. It's just a rehashed plot from Gunbuster, though.
>>63192051
There's no contest thing in 2.22
>>63192156
Rei and Asuka compete for Shinji's affection by cooking.
Rei arranges a dinner with Shinji and Gendo that she's going to cook, and then Asuka gets all fired up to compete with Rei by making good lunches for Shinji
did you even watch the movie
>>63192232
How in the actual hell does this constitute a "cooking contest" ?`
Answer me this, when Rei makes her meal, does she think "I have to beat Asuka", or anything of the sort? Did they say, "well bitch, showdown at dawn, weapon is homecooked meals" ?
Do you not understand how retarded you are?
>>63192298
Rei doesn't even know Asuka made some food. I don't think Shinji even knows. There's no contest it's just the ramblings of insane asuka fans who thinks evangelion exists from asuka's perspective.
I don't see them as real people, just mannequins pretending to have any sort of value. That's how deep I disrespect those faggots ruining a good story.
>>63192298
I'm not even the guy who called it a cooking contest, but I understood what he fucking meant.
Are you sure you're not the one coming off as retarded in this exchange?
>>63192343
Makes sense
>>63192350
One hundred percent. You or that other moron don't get to act retarded when you run out of arguments. Bitching about some "cooking contest" that's not even in the film just has to be the vain cries of a fat loser too irrational to bring anything solid to the discussion table.
I mean, "cooking contest", really? Not only does that guy have to make shit up, but even if it had a actual bonafide cooking contest like he pretends it has, what's the goddamned problem with that? If we can have dance routines that defeats Angels in the much superior TV-series, what sort of obstacle is a cooking contest?
Y'all losers are out of touch. Come back into the real world, step into reality for a bit and think about how dumb you're being. Hell I used to think people who liked the original weren't this dumb.
>>63180361
Yes.
A horrifically beautiful and grotesque ending to a creepy and raw television series that exploits it's characters to the absolute limit. End of Evangelion left me questioning the very reason I watch entertainment. It's ending will leave you wanting to throw up.
Anno comes out of the screen and slaps the audience with a dose of reality and insists you to rethink your life choices.
Truly an amazing experience. Not pretentious in the slightest.
What is your guy's interpretation of this sequence?Rei is best girl btw
>>63192846
>spoilered text
Damn straight.
>>63192520
So if someone referred to the sequence where the three EVAs dash to catch Sahaquiel as a "race", would you make a drawn out argument about how unequivocally wrong they are to call it that because there was no literal starter pistol or finishing line involved in the scene?
Everyone else but you would know what they were referring to and carry on with their business.
>>63193519
If someone decried it for being a "race" for the sole reason that it was a "race", much like you or that other moron did with "cooking contest", you fucking bet I would. Anyone with a lick of sense would.
It's not even comparable because all three pilots are focusing on that same goal in the would-be "race", but this "cooking contest" ? Fuck no, none of the contestants are even aware.
>b-but everyone else w-would get it, why can't I be left alone ;_;
No, just you moron, and we would not carry on with our business and let you think you were at all clever saying "cooking contest" when it doesn't even fit.
You fucked up even defending this. Own up to it, suck it up and bend over and tell me you were wrong.
disgusting plebs in this thread probably have never even experienced true kino. this is why we need /film/
>>63194014
That's kinema tho
>>63192520
This man called me a mad manchild
Let that sink in a moment.
>>63192846
I take it to mean we (the audiance) are now part of 3rd impact, our physical form is now nothing and we are simply our collective thoughts and ideas.
>>63193950
Alright man, I'm off work, ready for an actual discussion, so end the shit flinging.
Since you are the odd one out in the eva fandom, we'll leave it to you, what does eva 2.22 bring to the table that is new and interesting thematically? (not just superficially)
>>63180361
Its a masterpiece. I love it.
I hate the show, though.
>>63194783
They literally go perfectly together.
>>63194014
Bill Wilson, is that you?
>>63194715
You're the odd one out moron. This doesn't continue by you switching topics like a dumb coward. You do not shove the burden of proof onto me when you've shit the bed.
You either continue to make a fool of yourself defending your dumb use of "lol le cooking contest xD" or you come clean tell me that you were a moron for even trying. Then we can get into what exact dumb argument you thought it would serve in the first place.
This is the actual discussion. You either take it seriously, or you get shit flinging, and you will have deserved it. Are you ready for an actual discussion now?
>>63194929
The term "cooking contest" may have been misleading to you, let me rephrase it to exactly what it was.
Rei cooks shinji food and sets up a dinner date with shinji and his father, and asuka gets jealous that rei is cooking shinji food so she cooks for him too.
Rei is clearly happier and has more emotions than anywhere in the show, asuka is a generic tsundere unlike the show.
So yes, my summerization of the events may have been misleading, but we all knew what I was talking about, you are chosing to attack semantics rather than the main thought presented.
Now answer me this, what has 2.22 brought to the table thematically?
>>63195072
>The term "cooking contest" may have been misleading to you, let me rephrase it to exactly what it was.
It's not misleading to me dimwit, it's misleading in itself.
>Rei cooks shinji food and sets up a dinner date with shinji and his father, and asuka gets jealous that rei is cooking shinji food so she cooks for him too.
See? Was that hard?
>but we knew what we were talking about!
Actually, we still fucking don't. Because you lack an argument. We both watched the movie. We know there was cooking, we know eating is one of the themes of the movie. Now reiterating that pointlessly does not make an argument.
Neither does literally lying about the movie containing a cooking contest, and nor does it figuratively carry any argument. Now that it's made clearer, even if it should be unnecessary, just how much the bed has been shat by you, do you care to make an actual argument that vilifies the act of cooking to the point where it is necessary to lie about it?
Because if that's all you got, refer to the point made around the middle of this post: >>63192520
We still are not done and you are still not going to successfully evade shit.
>>63195169
Aaaaaand there goes your chance, could have had a discussion if you stopped attacking semantics. Argument dropped, enjoy your "victory".
>>63195169
>Rei cooks shinji food and sets up a dinner date with shinji and his father, and asuka gets jealous that rei is cooking shinji food so she cooks for him too.
>See? Was that hard?
That was already said all the way up here: >>63192232
>Rei arranges a dinner with Shinji and Gendo that she's going to cook, and then Asuka gets all fired up to compete with Rei by making good lunches for Shinji
>>63195277
This is not semantics. It's a direct challenge for you to prove your're not full of shit. The only one dropping out here is you.
We've established what happened in the movie. Now, this was YOUR chance to actually make an argument.
So where is it? Where is it? Where is the goddamned argument you promised me?
>>63195310
See above kiddo. Also see >>63195169
Where is the argument?
>>63195277
Were you raped by a chef or something? Why the hate for cooking? Didn't mommy make you anything as a child?
>>63180649
Anno is literally THE master troll. You fell for it.
>“now people actually believe I only chose the name Evangelion because it sounds complicated. You know what else sounds complicated? Freundschaftsbeziehung, the German word for friendly relation.”
> “We all have to find our own answers. Now if you’ll excuse me, I am very busy not working on the final Evangelion film.”
How's it feel when you realize a little tiny jap man trolled the shit out of you?
>>63195442
>makes a legitimately intelligent piece of art
>trivialize it every chance you get
What a strange man
>>63195506
He's eternally butthurt his waifu didn't top the popularity chart. If you think the weebs over at /a/ are bad, this guy was so deep into the otaku horseshit he drew porn of sailor moon and worked on several porn mags of sailor moon with his cross-dressing friend.
Not even joking.
>>63195310
>>63195277
...and there we have it folks.
If the best criticism of 1.11 and 2.22 we've got is that "the characters act realistically according to their original counterparts in a new subplot about cooking", the movies are probably the best things the franchise has shat out since EoE.
Such a shame too, because I was actually keen hearing what sort of diabolical connotations deciding too cook a meal has and why cooking for someone would make you worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.
>>63195506
>>makes a legitimately intelligent piece of art
fucking lmao
someone get xenos in here
>>63195506
>>makes a legitimately intelligent piece of art
This is exactly the point, he created something which requires some form of though, he got endlessly asked to outright explain his work.
No artist should ever have to do this, so he trolled the shit out of everyone.
>>63195747
Their disappointment is obviously from a mundane plot about cooking taking over in a franchise that is ostensibly about giant robots and aliens and the end of the world. Movies only have a limited runtime to work with, even the TV show didn't waste time on that sort of thing.
>Such a shame too, because I was actually keen hearing what sort of diabolical connotations deciding too cook a meal has and why cooking for someone would make you worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.
Stop pulling such fucking hyperbole out your ass, it makes you look desperate.
>>63190729
Is this a haiku
>>63180361
Yes.
The series too.
>>63194014
I'm pretty sure this is kįñœmáthiqué.
>>63195747
>deciding too cook a meal
>too
Your obvious ineptitude of the english language is a reflection of your intelligence, and furthermore your taste.
>>63196036
>Their disappointment is obviously from a mundane plot about cooking taking over in a franchise that is ostensibly about giant robots and aliens and the end of the world
I doubt that, because the original has more mundane plotlines like that, and 2.22 cut them out. Did you know that in one episode, they quite literally arranged a dance routine to defeat an Angel? Who just magically happened to wait for the two pilots to train on an electronic twister board?
Nah, that can't be it. This guy needs a reality check. Bitches had numerous of chances to put something out, but they don't.
>Stop pulling such fucking hyperbole out your ass, it makes you look desperate.
Im not the one vilifying cooking here, or whining about grammar: >>63196374
>>63180361
i have to admit im not a fan of most anime but neon genesis was really good from what i watched of it. which is just the original series admittedly.
>>63196548
>They complained about this new mundane thing being put into the movie but didn't complain about this other old mundane thing being cut from the movie
>So they're not allowed to be disappointed
what kind of backwards logic is this
go to bed, dude
>>63196548
>>63196548
Not being able to recognize sarcasm/parody is a sign of actual autism anon
![[Sephirotic]Evangelion episode 24 DC [1080p 8bit AAC] [ENG PT FR ITA SPA GER RUS] [1F055FD9].mkv_snapshot_20.50_[2015.09.02_22.05.40].png](https://i.imgur.com/5LKy3GF.jpg "[Sephirotic]Evangelion episode 24 DC [1080p 8bit AAC] [ENG PT FR ITA SPA GER RUS] [1F055FD9].mkv_snapshot_20.50_[2015.09.02_22.05.40].png")
I fucking love Evangelion. All episodes, all the movies, and the manga.
I even own a few of the video games.
>>63197062
If you love rebuild you don't love the originals
I'm interesting in watching Evangelion, I assume I start with the original series then move onto the end movie, right?
>>63196703
>>63197019
Good night faggot. Ain't nobody as backwards to bitch about some good ol' homecookin.
>>63197234
Yeah. There's a compilation movie called Death and Rebirth that you can skip.
>>63197234
There is way too actual cinema to be wasting your time on trash made for teens like this.
>>63197305
Thanks, I didn't hear much good things about them.
>>63181009
Only good post ITT
>>63184867
Kek
>>63181074
RIP in peace mootykins
>>63180361
The first half is kind of boring but I like the second half
One thing that really bothers me though is the amount of people that say say it's depressing, when it clearly ended in a positive and hopeful way.
>>63197612
![[2D4U]Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_BD_02_V2[1080p_DualAudio](E895FF72).mkv_snapshot_13.44_[2015.11.08_12.49.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6mFiryP.jpg "[2D4U]Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_BD_02_V2[1080p_DualAudio](E895FF72).mkv_snapshot_13.44_[2015.11.08_12.49.16].jpg")
Eva is probably one of the best directed anime.
>>63197629
disgusting
>>63194783
Are you sure you hate the show and not just the show's ending?
>>63198349
Congratulations!
>>63180361
Chinese cartoons not they are notthe fAM
>>63180404
2/10
>>63180361
>>63183077
Could someone identify these for me? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to anime.
>>63199435
just go
go now and never look back
>>63197234
Evangelion 1-26 (episode 24-26 happen in protagonist's subconscious)
Death and Rebirth is a nice recap. Stop watching at the Intermission (movie literally has a 4 minute intermission). Rebirth is just the first 30 min of End.
End of Evangelion
Rebuild 1.11
2.22
3.33
1.0+3.0 has yet to be released.
>>63180361
no, its weabo shits
>>63187847
I was listening to "Molossus" when I opened this.
>>63199435
evangelion
its nothing special, anime fans have low standards in general desu
>>63183077
actual faggot retard weeb trash with no redeeming features
>>63194014
This desu.
>>63180361
I liked the show ending better desu.
the only way 3.0 can be redeemed isif it turns out to be a dream/fantasy while shinji is dissolved inside unit 01 like in episode 20 or some fantasy world created during instrumentality.
there is no way misato would treat shinji like that, even after 15 years. shit, at the end of 2.0 misato is rooting him on to start 3rd impact. and anyways kawrou stops 3rd impact within a minute of it starting, before anyone loses their bodies, so I'm not sure how much damage shinji could have done or why everyone would hate him.
anyway, i'm hoping in 4.0 shinji snaps out of the 3.0 world and continues instrumentality and we have an awesome end of eva style movie.
>>63180361
>Is this cinema?
No. It's eiga (映画).
>>63195442
>Anno is literally THE master troll. You fell for it.
problem?
>>63199794
You shouldn't watch 1.11 - 3.33 for quite a while after end of evangelion if you want the far superior series to leave a bigger impression on you.
>>63199903
If it's "nothing special", care to explain the simple themes the show provides, in detail? Surely a show that is "nothing special" can be easily summerized into a few sentences, right?
End of Evangelion is legitimate art-house cinema
>>63180510
this, fucking autists itt
>>63200144
They're both alright. I like the ending better but I like the content in the last movie. I think they're kind of interchangeable for which is canon, but thats literally one of the main debates about the show.
>>63180510
Something can be pretentious and still good.
Literally to make an art house film is pretentious in itself. But I'm sure there are good reasons to go through it.
>>63180361
yeah
>>63192846
Well put,good taste too.
>>63180361
>yfw there were fucking idiots who left during the mid-credits during its original theatrical release and missed the entire 3rd impact
This is cinema.
A K I R AA
Even based Kanye did a clip about it.
It's called cult. Even if you don't like it. How it's possible anyway ?
>>63207491
Kanye's a pleb.
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/586360975151927297
>>63197019
You wish they were sarcastic. They seriously think they're making a good argument just by saying "cooking contest".
>>63180361
No, it's シネマ
>>63180361
Yes, and some of the most amazing art done via animation. So are works by Kon, Oshii, Miyazaki, Takahata etc. In fact I'd say there's something inherintly more beautiful about animation than live-action. Crafting a whole world and its design from scratch, instead of manipulating elements existing already in reality. It's like comparing a painting to a photograph.
>>63186786
I don't think Evangelion is that simple. It applies achronological exposition and on top of that a lot of it is visual. Some elements are impossible to understand without a second rewatch. I mean even in the first episode of the show we see the Evangelion protecting Shinji from some construction elements falling down on him. It does seem odd and is unexplainable without having seen the whole thing beforehand. But things like these, most times more subtle give it great rewatch value.
It also depends what we're talking about. Plot-wise it's rather complex, thematically not as much. You could probably summarize the whole "message" in a few sentences. But that could be said about most works of art.
>>63194861
no, it's Will Simpson
Is this cinema?
>>63196612
You should really watch End of Evangelion. It's perfect in so many ways.
>>63210483
It's a tv show first of all.
>>63210483
Kill la Kill was awesome. I'd classify the fan service as a downright parody of the genre.
>>63210483
it's trash
>>63210589
No u
>>63210541
The fan service had actual purpose in the plot and served as a parody at times too. Overall it still was fanservice I guess but I don't see a problem with that. I'm not strictly comparing but Fellini and Bergman didn't choose such attractive actresses for their works just by chance.
>>63210652
I'd put in the same vein as Mad Max Fury Road. Actually well done feminism. None of the female characters were stronk just for the sake of being stong. They had flaws and learned to overcome them. The fanservice was like a filter for fake feminists and real feminists. Anyone that got offended by it clearly didn't pay attention to it or is just dumb.
>>63181074
>>63207833
What a boss.
The time I considered him just to be a gay fish is far
>>63201917
Great expression of depression, hits it right on the nail if you've ever been in a rut. I also believe there is some existential stuff in there as well, my memory isn't the greatest and I have a bad habit of not re-watching things very often
>>63180649
That's what I love about it. It's the ultimate form of cultural appropriation and it's done with western values/religion for a change. The spiritual/religious setting of Evangelion is actually extremely Buddhist/Shinto.
>>63187472
Holy fuck thank you anon.
And I read some theory, I think it was a screencap from /a/ or something saying they think that the Rebuilds are a fuck you to fans on purpose. Anno is portraying NGE as the dirty otaku weeaboo losers see it as instead of something more, and the Rebuilds are his way of saying fuck you. I've personally not seen them since I loved NGE and EoE so much I wanted to give myself some time before I tarnished the feeling, but it sounds interesting if the theory is true
>>63181009
EoE is one of the few pieces of great art that is predicated on the person watching 12 and a half hours of an anime to even remotely understand what's going on, let alone appreciate it in even the smallest sense.
You pretty mush HAVE to see the anime to truly appreciate the huge "FUCK YOU" to fans EoE was and is.
>>63192846
This nigga gets it.
>that spoiler
This nigga REALLY gets it.
>try to explain to people what makes NGE so great is how it depicts mentally disturbed people, especially kids, in a very realistic way, in a fashion that is rarely seen outside of literature and even then only rarely
>everyone just shouts 2DEEP4U and parrots the same sentence, saying it's pretentious because of the shallow judeo christian imagery and symbolism
NGE's popularity is its own downfall
Plebs don't expect a case study into dysfunctional, histrionic, depressive, and deranged characters. They're lured into watching because they see giant robots fighting and they think they're going to be watching Gundam. Then the show goes into a place they don't expect and don't understand so they get frustrated.
What Anno created was unique and took heavily from mecha anime and science fiction books he grew up with. He pays homage to these things in a very tasteful and interesting way. I wish people would see NGE for what it is instead of what they expected it or hoped it would be.
>>63212317
>try to explain to people what makes NGE so great is how it depicts mentally disturbed people, especially kids, in a very realistic way, in a fashion that is rarely seen outside of literature and even then only rarely
kek. It's just about a nerd who needs to have sex and stop living in his childish fantasies. Nothing more. It's trash for autists and it killed anime as a medium by ruining the mainstream audience and turning them autistic
>>63212317
I don't think you've seen any of the gundam series.
>>63212509
You can trivialize just about anything.
>>63212626
My newtype
>>63180361
Truly the evangelion of anime
>>63212317
Gundam is one of Anno's favorite anime
>>63212695
I actually prefer Eva, but the characters in Gundam tend to be just as broken. Though they weren't analyzed in such an interesting way.
>>63212773
Misato should have slapped Shinji more
>>63212753
My understanding is Zambot 3 was the biggest mecha influence on Anno. But I could be wrong.
>>63212805
Pretty sure it was Boots warrior footcamp and MLAIOS
>>63212805
Gundam 0079, Ideon, and Zambot 3 were all the big mecha influences, with Devilman and Yamato also being hugely influential. Fun fact, Anno admired Tomino a lot (the director of Gundam, Ideon, and Zambot 3), and Tomino didn't like Eva at all (which, ironically, he criticised for being influenced by Anno's emotions, when his own depression had lead to the bloodbaths that are Zeta and Victory Gundam).
>>63212773
Char is probably the only character in Gundam who was broken down to the same level as characters in Evangelion desu
>>63212886
>mfw /tv/ plebs will never experience the feeling of being like a mother to me
>>63212805
Ultraman and Ideon
>>63212923
>>63212886
>>63212805
holy shit what the fuck are you weebs talking about fuck oFF
>>63212919
>/tv/ plebs whose souls are held down by gravity will always remember the mistakes of their youth
Everyone knows Eva is a Seinfeld ripoff anyway
>>63212886
I'm not saying the Gundams are not an enjoyable in their own right, but NGE is simply an order of magnitude greater. And an order of magnitude greater than pretty much every other anime series. I guess there's no way for me to express myself and not sound pretentious about it, but these are my feelings.
The way Anno managed the budget and made things look gorgeous, the way things like gestalt consciousness and Freudian psychology were explored, the balls behind having Asuka clearly being damaged and lusting after older men, having the balls to have a main character lie in bed and cry and be a little bitch-- having a human being for a protagonist instead of some awesome, infallible cutout. Having the balls not to have a happy ending, to not have a protagonist who gets everything he wanted. Anno had the balls to incorporate his disdain for otaku and his fans in his show, he criticized the aspects of anime and its fanbase. He got death threats. He was depressed and it showed. All of this makes NGE so great. Because it has value in what it sets out to do. It's doing something different and doesn't give a damn what you think or feel, the way storytelling is supposed to be.
It's been a few years so maybe I got a few things wrong about Anno's history and the production, some /a/non should correct me if I'm wrong.
But there's just such an interesting history for NGE's production and how it came to be as a series and it did what pretty much no anime did or has done since. Or at least done well.
>>63213026
>having a human being for a protagonist instead of some awesome, infallible cutout
Like Gundam
>>63213026
Eva isn't even Anno's best anime
>>63213113
Eva > Kare Kano > Nadia > Gunbuster
Hard to really put in cutie honey into this.
>>63213080
I suck at explaining why Gundam fails where NGE succeeds.
>>63213205
Must be hard when you have never seen it
>>63212644
Go on trivialize this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Com%C3%A9die_humaine
>>63213259
>muh social commentary
>>63213242
I saw Mobile Suit Gundam a long time ago
>>63213026
I would say Eva is hands down the most interesting anime, greater than any other I'm not so sure about. Of course nothing can take away what Eva did, but interesting and different don't always equate to quality.
>>63213205
its all in presentation, atmosphere and tone, hard to articulate without really breaking down specific examples
>>63213434
I think quality is an attribute or distinction that is hard to measure and is the combination of many, many things. I think the case can be made that NGE is the greatest anime of all time. I'm always curious to know what anime people enjoyed more than it though.
>>63213517
How many anime have you seen?
>>63213543
Probably only a few dozen. I think many different series were enjoyable for different reasons, but NGE is only one of a few series I've seen that I would say had any artistic merit. Another being Ping Pong the Animation.
>>63213205
I'd say you're pretty much spot on. At least when it comes to characters. That being said, eva has also other things that make it great. The visual direction is amazing: Anno's shot composition, Iso's and Yoshinari's action sequences, Sakamoto's characters, the visualized streams of consciouness, the evangelions with their organic designs, the visual imagery giving off an almost mystical yet alien atmosphere.
Add to that the plot. Anyone who has rewatched Eva will know how painfully crafted the exposition is. Each episode and each scene adds something. Lots of the things happening can only be understood on a second viewing. The whole thing is like a puzzle the viewer has to put together on his own. This adds a sort of v interactivity the medium doesn't usually posses.
>>63213571
https://bakabt.me/details.php?id=173242&page=0
check this out its by the same director as ping pong
>>63213592
I've been meaning to watch this for a while. And lain and welcome to the NHK. And code gayass and a few others.
>>63213571
I dunno man. Most of the works od Dezaki, Oshii, Kon, Takahata, Miyazaki, Yuasa, Ikuhara and Nakamura have artistic merit.
>>63213517
Try Serial Experiments Lain, Ghost in the Shell S.A.C, and Paranoia Agent.
>>63213617
>code geass
You'd be better off with Gundam
