This is no doubt the big four of television.
I know a few of you would rather have Mad Men in there instead of Game of Thrones, but Mad Men, as good as it was, was never a phenomenon like these four shows are.
For the record, this isn't based on personal taste, but acclaim.
>>63073766
3 reddit shows and a good one.
MCNULTY
Game Of Thrones is obvious bait, you aren't pulling the wool over my eyes.
Even Breaking Bad has no business being there. As far as modern television is concerned, there are no "big four", it's more that The Wire and the Sopranos are the big two and then there's everything else. Deadwood, Mad Men and 6 Feet Under are the next step down.
Then comes the likes of Breaking Bad and the Shield.
Replace Daenerys with Jon Snow. He is the hero of the TV show
>>63073830
You forgot Neon genesis evangelion
>>63073879
You mean the decalogue.
Otherwise wrong
I don't think I'll ever get round to watching The Wire.
>>63073766
>>63073830
Inclusion of GoT isn't bait though, is it?
Regardless of how much you think it's "Reddit shit" or "normie trash" or whatever buzzwords you want to use, it has surpassed the Sopranos in ratings. It's a fucking massive show. Yeah, the writers got a bit stupid in the last season, but that isn't the point.
Ask your average "normie" to name a character from Deadwood, SFU and Mad Men, and then ask them to name a character from BrBa and GoT. Yeah, exactly.
>>63073766
The wire wasnt a phenomenon
>>63073766
The Wire wasn't that popular when it aired
>>63073876
Whereas Daenerys is something of an anti-heroine, and fits in with Walt, Tony and McNulty more than Jon would.
>>63073889
Same.
I'm sure it's a great show, but I'm so not interested in it despite trying to start the show 5 times I just don't fucking care. I'll happily die never watching the supposedly best crime show ever made.
>>63073903
>>63073907
No, but do you remember all the sudden hype about it shortly after it had ended? "Best show ever", "even better than The Sopranos", "get the boxset now"
the only good show there was the wire
>>63073895
I'm getting mixed messages. If you're going off ratings rather than quality then the Wire shouldn't be there. If we're talking quality then Game Of Thrones doesn't make the grade.
If we're talking about "successful" shows then why not slap the walking dead on there too?
Replace whatever the fuck bottom left is with LOST.
>>63073925
It's not a crime show. The crime on The Wire is just one part of the story.
>>63073938
Popular among internet hipsters? Still doesnt fit your original criteria
Like that other guy mentioned, LOST is a much better fit
>>63073766
reminder that mad men won best drama 4 times in a row before it was halted by amc for a year for no reason and lost its traction
i got a question for you /tv/, why is mad men so good? i can acknowledge that breaking bad is probably the biggest tv drama phenomenon of all time, but mad men's writing is just so incredibly normal and realistic yet engaging. there's not many things "out of the ordinary" but it's probably my favorite show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FC1VU_uO4
>>63073922
No. Daenerys is a dumb cunt who is incapable of achieving anything. Everything she has she got because of her family name, or because the men protecting her fought for her
>>63074050
It's called ''good writing'' and does not rely on epin story twists at the end of the episode to keep the audience engaged like Lost, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones
>>63074092
>Everything she has she got because of her family name, or because the men protecting her fought for her
Just like Tony Soprano, then.
>>63073766
>Walking Dead not on there.
m8...
>>63074050
Were the last couple of seasons of Mad Men kind of weak or was it just me? Mad Men is a show I started off not enjoying that much for the first season or so, but then I got hooked on it around the end of season 2 and then got to a place where I was reallying enjoying it and marathoned all the way to the end of season 5.
The last 2 seasons though I was basically just watching them out of obligation and not really retaining much of what had happened between seasons. I might have appreciate later Mad Men more if it was there for me to marathon while I still had momentum. I think I had just moved on at that point.
>>63074050
le stylish soap opera
Who genuinely likes Mad C.uck? I watched 2 episodes and then I unadded the friend who recommended this trash.
>>63074197
i think season 3 was maybe the highpoint, then it kinda went down but the ending of season 5 was fucking 11/10 imo. everything that the show is about and i would have been happy if it ended then and there. the actual finale was ok too
>>63074164
Only reddit shows were allowed to be chosen from.
>>63073783
MCNULTY
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>>63073766
>Including The Sopranos amongst those other 3 trash shows
kill yourself
The Sopranos stands on its own
>>63073895
Lots of normie shit is rated higher than Sopranos, what's your point?
>>63074155
here's your (you)
I wouldnt inlcude GOT in anything, it hasnt finished yet and it could end like dexter.
Also, while /tv/ doesnt like brba, its still good, at least the first four season before they lost its balls
I would rate dramas in two holy trinities
>drama
Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men
>drama action
Breaking Bad, The Sheild, and something else
>>63073766
Game of Thrones > Breaking Bad desu
>>63074092
>Everything she has she got because of her family name, or because the men protecting her fought for her
That's what royalty is, m8
>>63075273
>it hasnt finished yet and it could end like dexter.
The fifth season was already worse than anything Dexter did.
>>63075402
True, but fans still love it, by the end of dexter everyone hated it, and no one really watched it for the good writing, by the end of GOT everyone might hate it and stop watching it.
>>63075425
>True, but fans still love it
I don't know. I think even normies thought that the entire Dorne plotline was complete garbage.
>>63073830
The Shield is a lot better than Breaking Bad and it had a better ending than Mad Men.
>>63075476
The Shield had too many disposable formulaic "entertainment" episodes that got pretty fatiguing after a while. It did have a far better ending than Breaking Bad though.
>>63075273
The Americans as the third action drama.
>>63075515
I don't know, I always thought The Shield was always finding some new way to be entertaining. It was part of what made the watchthrough so damn easy.
>>63075461
Probably, but they still can love it, and swear by it. They love that brienne is a "strong woman" and the two memeist characters are together and bantering constantly.
ftfy
The Wire was not a phenomenon when it aired.
>>63075595
Neither was LOST and no, /tv/ doesn't count.
>>63075608
>being underageb&
>>63073766
Replace Game of Thrones with The Walking Dead and you'd be bang on anon
>>63075560
It was the episodic case of the week stuff I meant. I don't think I could be bothered to go through all that again. It was entertaining for the most part but it but it kind of waters down the overall dramatic experience since a lot of it is redundant to the progression of the show and they start to feel pretty samey eventually.
>>63073766
>no lost
dun goofd
>>63073895
>ratings determine shows that set the foundation for great drama television
I don't think you understand the concept of time or history or inspiration
>>63073766
>no Rick
TWD is the biggest show on television. Sorry.
>>63075643
I liked the case of the week stuff because the characters put aside their vendettas and rivalries for a moment for the greater good of their neighborhood. It makes sense that cops juggle multiple cases like that, especially a place as busy as Farmington. You could argue that there was too much, but there are several that also fleshed out the characters, like pic related and how it gave Vic more context as a character.
>tfw there are so many plebs in this thread
>>63075705
I enjoyed the Dutch episodic cases the best when I watched it.
>>63075635
>>63075697
>The Walking Dead
consider removal from civilization
>no Teen Wolf
??????
>>63075792
If you're letting GoT and Breaking Bad join the ranks then TWD is only slightly worse.
>>63074522
>Walking Dead
>not Reddit
b8
>>63075756
>>63075814
why does /tv/ hate breaking bad again?
i know that not every single thing in the show works and maybe its popularity would give it 'meme' status on here but i think it's hard not to say the show is largely a success and well done (aside from idiocy like gus' death scene).
bryan cranston is literally the best actor of our generation
What the fuck happened? How did we go from this just 10 years ago to now when fucking Game of Thrones is an emmy award winning show?
>>63073766
>this isn't based on personal taste, but acclaim
lolno it isn't.
>>63075915
I agree man. Look at this fucking promo from 2004: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3X-UDNoFbs
Pretty much every show is a classic or an underrated treasure. HBO is a shell of its former glory, especially their dramas.
>>63075915
Deadwood S2 was utter garbage though, first half at the very least.
>>63075903
The final season was a complete disaster of safe fan pandering that made the entire show look worse in retrospect. When you watch the show the first time you give it the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some kind of plan in place, maybe not specific plot stuff but a general greater point to the progression of the characters, but given the terrible way the show wraps up its obvious they had no idea what kind of show they were even making. It was a decently convincing impression of a quality show for the first few seasons at least.
MCNULTY YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKER
>>63075996
>>63075903
For me, keeping Gus for the entire 4th season was a mistake. The whole season feels like a slog to the sole logical conclusion. It was still slightly entertaining but too much. But then the 5th season instantly shot itself in the foot with the retarded flashforward. The writers had to invent the terrible Nazi villains so Walt could use that big gun looking like a hero. A total fuckup on the writers' part.
>>63076012
THESE ARE FOR YOU MCNULTY
FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES
>>63075996
Breaking Bad ended in a similar way House did for me, emotionally attached wise, it simply allowed you move on, never to think about again, albeit BrB embracing fan service in an attempt for semi-fireworks.
>>63076034
I thought the Gus season was entertaining television at the time but it completely derailed the show. It stopped being focused on Walter White's character and became Walter White vs Big Bad of the season. When it finally wrapped that up it was obvious the the writers didn't really know where to go so season 5 is like a mess of scenes that the writers thought the fanbase would find cool.
>>63073766
>this isn't based on personal taste, but acclaim
mad men is a mediocre show and only burguers think is hot shit
even vikings or spartacus is better than mad men, at least it gives a historical perspective other than "hurrhurr this was the burguers 50 years ago" who cares go eat macdoland faggots
and its literally a boring ass soap opera, tune in into any south american soap opera and its literally the same as mad men, just boring as fuck shows for housewives and for little bitch beta males
>>63076138
I wanted some gut punch of an ending. Not a nice little redemptive moment for Walter against some cartoon bad guys as a thank you for sticking with the show.
>>63075996
yeah, i totally agree, there were moments that were absolute cringe
>atm meth heads
>season 2 pink teddy bear
>gus fring overused and awful dying scene
>lel machine gun flash forwards. the fucking writers admitted they had no idea what they were going to do with it
still, there's so many memorable moments in the show. the ending is bad, but we were there for the ride, not the destination
>>63075273
Mad Meme does not belong with The Wire and Sopranos
Stop forcing this
>>63076034
>>63076163
The fifth season was like the Return of the Jedi of Breaking Bad: it had some of the worst moments, but it had enough of the best moments to carry it...Ozymandias and Granite State easily make it into any best episodes list
>>63076250
No, and Return of the Jedi did not have the enough of the best moments of the trilogy.
>>63075542
jesus christ
>>63076248
I'm okay liking Mad Men if this is who hates it
>>63076287
>NEVEEEEER is not the best scene in the original trilogy
get a load of this, guys
>>63076250
I thought Granite State was a major disappointment. It didn't pack anywhere near the emotional punch it was supposed to for me. Maybe it would have been better if the entire episode was from Walter's perspective and you really got a sense of how pathetic and bored he was in that Cabin. Season 5 in general was just too damn rushed. You saw the framework of what they wanted to do but they rushed through it so much that none of it had any impact. The last two episode should have been feature length.
Objectively the top 7 shows of all time
>>63076431
come on senpai
i actually like imdb, GoT, john oliver, and breaking bad and even i know you're baiting
>>63076482
>john oliver,
If you like that man then you are ideologically incompatible with this board. This is a board for those who love the white race and want it to continue. John Oliver is a man respected by those who strive only for white extermination.
>>63076482
>i actually like john oliver
who doesn't
Is it bad if I find Mad Men a bit slow? I like the writing and all, but it just feels like nothing happens.
>GoT
Kill yourself.
1. Star Trek TNG
2. Battlestar Galactica 2003
3. Dexter
4. Dr Who (Matt Smith)
>>63076634
It is slow and little does happen. It has merits beyond these two factors.
>>63076431
>Sherlock
Kill it with fire
>>63073895
Ratings =/= quality.
>>63076634
that's the beauty of it. there's not many moments that are like "FUCK, WOW, THAT HAPPENED! WHAT A TWIST" or w/e, but it has really good writing and a real sense of substance and stylethat fucking show made me cry over a historical fact
>>63076634
How would people like you even watch art films? I simply can't see you lasting 10 minutes from something as simple as Andrei Rublev.
>>63075756
S2 wasn't that good but at least was way better than the entire run of GoT.
>>63073766
desu sandpie I'd rather have Mad Men than the fucking wire, fucking shit show.
Mad Men sucks too but at least it's not the wire jesus christ
>>63076661
Get out.
>>63073766
Why do you faggots think the sopranos is the best television show ever?
>>63076718
i fucking hate the wire jesus christ it fucking sucks balls its shit i dont like it its bad its the worst show ever
>>63076718
Stop samefagging, for fuck's sake.
>>63076703
>liking artsy films (not art films)
>liking fucking russian cinematography
in the trash it goes
i bet you love terrance mallick
>>63076758
this show was better than LOST but got no love from anyone but television buffs.
>>63076758
Jesus christ
>>63076737
Was my first post in this shit thread lol
>>63076736
good job tarding out there faggo
>>63076248
You realize the show runner of mad men wrote a bunch of episodes for the sopranos, and he is buddies with David Chase and he got notes from him?
>>63076861
>>63076881
wew lad take it easy
>>63076899
>this automatically makes a shitty show good
Go back to reddit with your plebbery, we're all full up here
>>63076913
Okay, it seems youre being an ass, my favorite show of all time is the sopranos, but I still can see that mad men is pretty great.
>>63076720
Make me.
>>63076935
Watch something good and maybe people would treat you better sandpie
'no'
>>63077012
Mad Men, Deadwood and The Sopranos are the best 3 shows ever made.
Replace that dude from the wire with Nucky Thompson.
>>63077063
And Dany with Al Swearengen
>>63077041
mad men is shit, I'd put Breaking Bad over it any day even with that shitty last season
>>63077120
>i've seen 3 episodes and didn't really get it so it must be shit
>>63077120
Mad Men is leagues beyond Breaking Bad. Even Buffy the Vampire Slayer is better than Breaking Bad desu
GoT and BrBa are IRL cartoon shows for soccer moms. Just because they're popular doesn't mean they're remarkable. See: Taylor Swift, Katy Perry.
>>63077161
Try 3 full seasons of a completely inept melodrama
1. The Wire
2. Twin Peaks
3. The Sopranos
4. Mad Men
you literally cannot prove me wrong
>>63077304
1. The Sopranos
2. The Wire
3. Mad Men
4. Deadwood
5. Twin Peaks
Proven wrong.
>>63077304
It seems unfair to rank Twin Peaks over shows that were consistently good for 6+ seasons when about a quarter of the duration of the show is bordering on unwatchable
1. The Sopranos
2. Mad Men
3. The Wire
4. Deadwood
5. Six Feet Under
6. Rome
>>63077282
Sure bud.
>>63077391
>Oh no, people are getting bored. How do we keep people interested? I know, let's have Kosgrove lose an eye and meme him up with a silly eyepatch. Yeah, meme him up, meme him up real good.
1. The Sopranos
1. The Wire
Where is muh Trek TNG?
>>63073766
>For the record, this isn't based on personal taste, but acclaim.
Bullshit, Mad Men is way more revered than GoT.
>>63077428
>blah blah buzzword blah buzzword buzzword blah blah
ok
>>63077282
>Breaking Bad fans calling any show a melodrama
Hilarious
I just started the wire and I'm having a hard time being especially interested in it after the first episode, if I don't like it much at this point should I keep watching more episodes or an I just not going to like it in general?
>>63077514
>greentext meme argument with "Bad ass" finisher coupled with image of "le classy patrician man".
I as literally shitting into my own hands the last time I watched Mad Men because that's all the respect that show deserves.
>>63073766
OBJECTIVE ANON'S OBJECTIVELY CORRECT RATINGS
Sopranos>The Wire>>>Breaking Bad>>>>>>>>>Game of Thrones
>>63077547
You'll start enjoying it after a few episodes. Then season 2 will start and you'll feel like you hate the show again. Then after half a season you should start to appreciate season 2. Then 3 and 4 are fairly smooth sailing. Then season 5 is shit.
Don't stop watching until you complete the first season at least.
>>63077555
>throwing ad hominems
i'm actually having a blast dude
>>63073766
I disagree with your premise of a Big Four. The Wire and The Sopranos are in a league entirely their own, so far above every other television show as to be utterly incomparable.
>>63077391
Hey, you're the one so insecure about your shitty show. I'm just letting you know how it is
>>63077538
It might have melodramatic moments but it's an action comedy for the most part, 'tard. Whereas madmeng, yeah, full blown melodrama.
>>63077547
It's a laughably bad show and you should probably stab whoever tricked you into watching it. If you make it to S2 I guarantee S2E1 will make you laugh at the awful
>>63073830
>le the wire is good meme
well meme'd
>>63077680
>"We're selling the company!" = Melodrama
>"We're going to melt his corpse in acid!" = Not melodrama.
Goddamn it /tv/, one of these days...
>>63077680
Breaking Bad is full blown melodrama. Cliffhangers, plot twists, characters yelling out their feelings, explosions. It's the biggest example of melodrama on television.
>>63077736
If it has edgy subject matter that makes your fedora twitch then it's not melodrama.
>>63077736
Oh, did I say melodrama? I meant boring as all fuck
>>63077547
The Wire starts off slow, they're mostly establishing all the characters, gang/police inner workings. It picks up after a few episodes
>>63077783
fucking millennials
>>63077776
>>63077783
why are breaking meme fans always so defensive?
>>63077851
Hey, don't put all of us in the same bag. I'm one and i love both shows.
>>63076814
>better than LOST
Not setting a high bar.
>>63077587
Yeah I gave it up after one season. I did like it, especially the last few episodes, but I didn't love it. And seeing how a lot of people talk about season 2 being worse, I see no point in continuing a show that I only found mildly entertaining and is going to just get worse.
Shouldn't Rick be on there instead of McNulty? I thought TWD is one of the biggest dramas currently on TV, and The Wire wasn't super popular.
>>63077808
Starts off slow and boring. Continues slow and boring. Then you get to the end and stare at all the reddit upvotes the show has and look at the high metacritic score until you trick yourself into thinking that you watched something good when in reality what you watched was pure shit.
Then you recommend it to the next poor unsuspecting sap and pass the boredom on to then and so the "the wire is good" meme lives on.
>>63077736
What's a good word for a boring ass drama then?
All joking aside it'd be nice to have a word for that
>>63073766
Al Swear Engine
Tony
Caesar
Ned Stark
bub
>>63073876
>animu
Stay in your containment
>>63073766
The Wire isn't even close to as popular among normies as the other 3 desu
The Wire had horrible ratings and even critics didnt like it, it only got attention years later after it was over and became some sort of cult classic, you either love it or hate it. S02 was god awful and I bet lots of people dropped it in there, even I had a hard time going thru it, then 3 and 4 were GOAT, and 5 was ok.
Sopranos is easily #1 GOAT
GoT is still going and has potential to join the elder god tier.
Breaking Bad is ok, losses its charm after the 1st watch, terrible for rewatches.
>>63078315
The Wire is more normie than Sopranos now desu
>>63077725
>I call things I don't like buzzwords.
You are a literally a meme yourself. By calling it a meme you're either calling it good or calling yourself shit.
>>63078413
every time I rewatch The Wire, S2 gets better and better and S3/S4 seem more preachy and boring
If these shows got negative reviews or struggled to get enough views to warrant season renewals then you guys would all unanimously be singing high fucking praises for each of them.
>le breaking bad is bad meymey
just how hard do you people have to try
>>63078413
>he Wire had horrible ratings and even critics didnt like it,
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-06-01/news/0306010314_1_baltimore-police-reporter-drug-bad-show
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2006/09/the_wire_on_fire.html
This is no doubt the big four of television.
For the record, this isn't based on personal taste, but acclaim.
>>63073766
>was never a phenomenon like
>acclaim
These two criteria are mutually exclusive, OP. based on
>was never a phenomenon like
Lost would be #1 (barf)
based on
>acclaim
#1 might be something like I LOVE LUCY
sorry, OP. try better next thread.
>>63075814
It shits on Game of Kucs and is the most popular drama on TV.
No one gave a shit about The Wire until it came out on DVD and OnDemand. Mad Men would probably be in there before The Wire. But I fixed the pic for you OP.
>>63078413
>GoT has the potential to join elder god tier
>literally not even in the league of any of the shows mentioned ITT
>>63073766
>calesei
fuck off.
I legitimately think most of you are contrarians who dislike things for the whole sake of it being popular.
If you were in Elizabethan times you would call people plebs for liking Shakespeare
>>63080574
fuck off reddit
>>63080589
It's a sad statement for this board when I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
>>63080574
Shakespeare is soap opera tier. The Big Bang theory of the Elizabethan era.
>>63080574
ur an pleb
season 4 of the wire is the greatest season of television. I still think about that scene with duquan inserting the needle into his veins to this day
>>63080574
Shakespeare literally wrote for plebs.
Season 6 of Sopranos is the greatest season of television and elevated the show to high art. Something I can't say for any other American show.
