Still the best movie ever made.
Literally who?
>>62990392
That's not Operation Petticoat !
>there are plebarians on this "board" who think Nolantino makes better """films"""
i saw it recently, it was decent
6/10
>>62990401
Put down the video game controller for a few minutes and go find out.
>>62990466
>watching black and white films
Sorry I'm not a hipster c͏uck.
it's a genuine masterpiece. orson welles is one of the most talented filmmakers ever
>>62990392
Mulholland Drive is better
Because low IQ tv general circlejerking redditors allow normies and /v/eddit intruders to come here without having any grasp of television or film. They fuck the boards shit up spamming whatever glorified videomeme is most popular at the moment because they have no further attachment to the medium whatsoever.
This board is the designated shitting street of crossboarder tourists.
>>62990392
Touch of Evil is better.
KANE?
>>62990466
>video game controller
Hi plebbit.
>>62990582
TRANSLATION: not everyone agrees with my subjective taste
>>62990392
>ALL the people in this photo are rotting, decaying corpses right now
I really enjoyed this, even separated from the whole "cinematic masterpiece, muh camerawork" shit it still stands on it's own as a story and also paved the way for everything that came after it.
But I still don't think it's the best movie ever
>Rosebud
What did he mean by this?
>>62992547
>he said "Rosebud" and nobody heard him but people know that he said it
What did Welles mean by this?
As far as masterpieces you first see in high school english class, Casablanca is better
Kane > Touch > Casablanca IMO.
>>62991246
In terms of impact, it was revolutionary, but I don't even think it's Welles' best. The Lady From Shanghai, F for Fake and Touch of Evil are all better.
>>62990529
While I get where you're coming from, Citizen Kane is an amazing film. I'm a millennial and I loved it. Even if you ignore the historical aspects, it's still a quality film with a great story.
>>62992592
>I can't pay attention enough to comprehend straightforward stories
Kane's butler was in the room when he died, he says so when Thompson interviews him.
>>62992914
>Citizen Kane is an amazing film.
>I'm a millennial
>>62992592
The butler heard him. He says so in the movie.
>>62990392
Quality movie. Takes more than one viewing to understand.
>>62992114
they're all bones by now, way past the rotting phase
>>62990454
8/10 on my part
It was probably amazing for the time, but I think if it was redone with a good director, it could be done better.
>>62992941
Not him but if you want to bait less obvious use images with a different filename to hide your blatant shitposting.
>>62993012
>he searches the archives for ad hominems because he has no argument
>>62990628
No, could have been but to constrained by the censorship policies in place when it was made/Charlton Heston playing a Mexican (otherwise based).
>>62992941
What are you even implying dude? That it's not good?
The are far better films than Citizen Kane, pic related.
>>62993085
I think he doesn't get meme arrows and was really just stating facts about himself. That, or just getting some images out of his system devoid of any context >>62993042
>>62993126
>guys Citizen Kane is the best film evar!!! Wikipedia says so
>>62993119
Wilder > Welles
The Lost Weekend is better than anything Welles ever made.
>>62993119
Nah. Good though, a cute romantic comedy that has aged much better than Some Like It Hot.
Sunset Blvd. will always be my favorite of his though, that one is really a contender with Citizen Kane in my book. Double Indemnity is also great fun, though a bit outdated. And he all but outdid Hitchcock with Witness for the Prosecution, or at least mimicked him so masterfully people kept walking up to 'ol Hitch himself to congratulate him for it.
>>62993158
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying its one of the greats. Can't deny that.
>>62993251
>I'm just saying its one of the greats. Can't deny that.
What's your IMDb username?
>>62993244
Anyone who dismisses The Apartment as a "cute romantic comedy" has no idea what they're talking about. It's impeccably staged, perfectly acted and boasts one of the finest screenplays ever written, blending humor and pathos better than any film I've ever seen. It's on par with the best of Wilder's work and the best of anyone's.
>>62993158
No, esteemed film magazine Sight & Sound said so, trough a poll conducted every decade since 1952 that includes pretty much every film scholar, critic or film maker of note open for participation around the world.
Kane held the top spot from 1962 to 2002, which only goes to show the regard it is held in, its historical significance and the general fact that it's just considered a damn good film by those who make films their livelihood.
It wasn't until 2012 that Vertigo (a steady climber) finally surpassed it on that list, but Kane still remains firm in second place. Current top 10 is as follows if you're interested:
01. Vertigo (191 mentions)
02. Citizen Kane (157 mentions)
03. Tokyo Story (107 mentions)
04. La Règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game) (100 mentions)
05. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (93 mentions)
06. 2001: A Space Odyssey (90 mentions)
07. The Searchers (78 mentions)
08. Man with a Movie Camera (68 mentions)
09. The Passion of Joan of Arc (65 mentions)
10. 8½ (64 mentions)
With closest runner-up being Battleship Potemkin (63 mentions).
>>62993396
>My film taste is superior, I've seen all the IMDb Top 250! I also browse r/movies!
>>62993170
agreed
>>62992967
The direction is 10/10. Watch it again with Roger Ebert's commentary track.
>>62993367
>dismisses
Anon, a cute romantic comedy is a hard thing to make or come by. I was in no way dismissing it, it's one of Wilder's greats, but it's also just a movie. Now, I disagree with you that it's on par with Citizen Kane, hell, I wouldn't even consider it Wilder's best work, but it's still a hell of a movie in my book. And it just goes to show how well crafted it is that it still works with a date after all these years.
>>62992963
>I don't know how decomposition works upon embalming and being buried in a sealed box
>>62993509
Howard Hawks is GOAT
>>62993627
Best Howard Hawks movie incoming
>>62993244
>The Apartment
>cute romantic comedy
That's almost like saying Casablanca is a cute romantic comedy.
>>62993491
>He hasn't even finished the IMDB top 250
Any scholar or critic of note has well moved passed that without even trying. You're wrong in thinking that you'll become a patrician by staying away from the most entry level of entry level. Hell, half of those obscure movies you've never heard of are in some way commenting on entry level patrician stuff that has landed on IMDB top 250 trough more valid critic polls. For every Batflick and Guardians of the Memmeverse, there's at least one flick you need to have seen to be taken seriously.
But keep on memeing if you like.
>>62993700
>he just keeps taking the bait
Are you retarded or something?
>>62993700
>>62993396
>image.jpg
>>62993705
Nah, Casablanca is too harrowing to be cute or even that comedic.I like The Third Man more
>>62993714
>I don't go to films, I go to IMDb!!!!
Oh it shows, anon, it shows
>>62993755
;^)
>>62993705
Exactly, it's absurdly reductive and demonstrates the basest most surface level reading of the film imaginable.
>>62993755
Sure thing reddit
>>62993846
>he's still responding
>>62993846
It's always nice talking with you, IMDb.
>>62993864
I bet your favorite film is Shawshank Redemption.
>>62993829
>muh themes and blue curtains
Start an Apartment thread or open up a dialog if you want a deeper discussion of the film. Quickly summarized, it's a cute romantic comedy, hot on the heals of the farcical Some Like It Hot!, with the tagline "Movie-wise, there has never been anything like "The Apartment" - laugh-wise, love-wise, or otherwise-wise". It may have changed your life or whatever, but it's still overall a cute, romantic comedy with an "all's well that ends well" type ending. That said, Jack Lemmon is really good in it and he perfectly captures the all but suicidal desperation of trying to hold onto your sanity within a shit career, even though his situation is overly farcical.
>>62993996
>muh anti-intellectualism
You're the most disgusting kind of pleb.
>>62993751
The Apartment isn't that comedic either. It's more of a dramedy, and has some really depressing moments. The only major difference would the endings, which obviously are very different. Of course, if it weren't for the Production Code, Casablanca would have had a happy ending as well.
>>62994069
What a well thought out, intellectual response.
>>62994076
Well, sure, it's got a dramatic element to it, but at the level of a Futurama episode in the sense that, even though "shit gets real" so to speak, it's overall too absurdist and farcical to be digested in a realist way. Comparing it to Casablanca which has a much more dryer, somber tone to it with a very real war going on in the background just doesn't seem like an apt comparison. Also, I doubt that Billy "Brass Balls" Wilder was fighting internally for a more harrowing ending to keep up with its more sombre moments; The man that made a film in the early 50s criticizing the studio system within the studio system, and another late 50s with crossdressers and subtle allusions to gay acceptance, made exactly the film he wanted to make with The Apartment, meet cute and feel good ending and all.
>>62993755
You're just making an ass out of yourself now.
>>62994398
Ha, you're talking about Billy Wilder, one of the main forces behind the fall of the Hollywood Production Code. He fought tooth and nail to keep all sorts of banned material in his films, far moreso than Michael Curtiz or Warner Brothers ever did.
He liked happy endings, so what? Every frame of that movie is glorious, and the performances are legendary. Also Wilder and Diamond were still in their honeymoon phase, and basically shitting gold
>>62993453
>No Godfather
>No Battleship Potemkin
Nah man
And why is Vertigo #1? It's not even Hitchocks best
>>62990392
Calling it the goat is a little heavy handed but it's still top 30 I'll give you that.
>>62994600
Godfather 1 and 2 used to make the top ten, but they made a new rule where you couldn't count two movies as one entry. They both dropped down to the twenties or thirties.
>>62994675
This is why I trust They Shoot Pictures Don't They's list over Sight & Sound. TSPDT i an aggregate of all major polls, so it disregards S&S's quirks
Link:
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm
>>62993517
whats the roger ebert commentary track?
>>62994716
It's where you watch the movie, but instead of hearing the movie, you hear Roger Ebert talk about it.
"Best movie ever made" is subjective. I could start a thread declaring Flesh Gordon 2 to be the best movie ever made, and that opinion would be no more or less valid than the opinion that you've chosen to waste board space to dedicate an entire thread to.
>>62990579
this desu
>>62994864
That opinion would be invalid. You could say Vertigo or Singin in the Rain and that would be valid.
>"But who decides what's a valid opinion and what isn't?"
I do, so fuck you.
>>62994924
I decide what's valid, and I've decided that my favorite movie, Flesh Gordon 2, is the greatest movie ever made.
>>62994972
It doesn't matter what you decide because I've already decided that everything you say is wrong.
>>62994810
nice i'll have to check it out. It's gotta be one of the greatest, definitely my favourite movie
>>62994993
You've personally decided that for yourself, but that doesn't objectively make it so.
>>62994864
I'm not the OP, but I am 57 years old, and I have seen a lot of movies, from the 1930s to today. I would say I have seen more movies than anyone on /tv/ just by having had more life time being alive, more than anyone on /tv/ has had.
That being said, Citizen Kane could be the best film ever made. I would not get in a argument with someone who was definite in their decision, I will put it that way. I have a pretty objective judgement of film quality by the sheer amount of films I have seen, and CK would be a very good choice if I had to pick the best out of everything I have seen.
>>62995018
Yes it does. I've decided that it does. I've decided to give being post-modern a shot. I like it so far.
>>62995037
Nobody cares what you have to say, grandpa.
>>62995073
Postmodernism is dead. Metamodernism is the new postmodernism. How can you think yourself an authority on validity if you're not even up to date with the current trends in modernism?
>>62990392
Yes. Yes it is.
>>62995134
>Metamodernism
You mean Modernism is just back when it suits you? That's just a step back from po-mo, ho-mo.
>>62995251
No, I mean that I ironically embrace modernism.
>>62995278
So? Then you ironically embrace modernism. Nothing meta about that. Very anti New Sincerity, though 4chan in general seems to be a bastion of us dying, detached, gen x influenced breed.
rosebud means his sled from childhoodis that correct?
>>62995389
>>62995389
That was just the official explanation, what Welles was really getting at, what really drew Randolph Hearst's ire was that he was playing with arumor that Hearst reportedly called his mistresses vagina "rosebud" while giving her cunnilingus, a rumor Hearst was aware of, true or not.
>>62993119
>billy "some like it hot" wilder
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>62995567
That's the point, he called it after his sled because he always liked to slide into that pussy
>>62993170
It isn't. Wilder has some amazing films like Ace in the Hole and Avanti, but Welles is better. Welles is just the best there has ever been.
>>62993453
Each S&S list is basically a snapshot of who the current crop of top critics consider the best films ever as as such reflects current taste rather than a universal sense of what's really the best. after all both Vertigo and Citizen Kane have existed for a while, it's not like Vertigo suddenly become better after the fact or Kane a little worse.
So in my autism to create an actual all time best list, I actually made a list aggregating the ranking each film has gotten thought time which should be a more stable overview of which films are considered best. I don't have it with me right now, but several decades would have to pass before you can really say more critics have considered Vertigo a better film than Kane.
>>62994675
they make top 10 in sight and sound directors' poll
>>62995037
agree
Citizen Kane has solid visual + story + character
I just recently start to nearly all film in sight and sound's poll, world film etc
after the whole experience, I considered Tarkovsky, Lynch, Kubrick, PTA as personally my favorite director
