why is casino royale so much better than QoS, skyfall and spectre?
Had a well realized live story and Bond girl
Had a more grounded bond before he went grim dark
It came after die another day so expectations were lower than dirt
You know my name
That parkour chase
because best bond girl in decades.
>>62898054
Pure sex
>>62897924
It had a good plot. Le Chiffre was an excellent foil to Bond's charisma and masculinity.
Well paced action that made sense in context of the story.
Bond actually did a little spy stuff.
Effective betrayals. For instance during the poker tourney, basically everyone was against Le Chiffre but in actuality everyone sans Felix was also working against Bond. That really helped show just what Bond was getting into, how complex and unknown relationships are much more deadly and harrowing than a glib one liner and a bullet to the head. It showed Bond out of his traditional element in earlier movies and it tested him and broke him and built him back up at the end of a movie as a professional, remorseless killer with complex feelings of guilt and hate.
That's it.
QoS is better if you watch it right after Casino Royale, but the plot is thick as paper and the drama is there but not as poignant. The less said abotu Skyfall and Spectre, the better.
>>62897924
This bond girl called him out n his BS
>>62897924
Seen this recently , I get what you guys are saying , it really is good. Didn't quite care for it when it came out
Don't forget it was the last Bond film to be shot on film. Much better looking than digital.
>>62898179
>craig
>bond
>>62897924
>Bond vs. An Evil Accountant While Some Italian Guy Narrates Texas Hold 'Em For Dummies
>Better than Skyfall and SPECTRE
"No."
>>62898201
you need to die
>>62897924
Because it was a Bond movie
>womanizer Bond
>almost comically evil but still effective villain
>classic Bond plot device (poker game)
>Bond girl is just the right mix of sexy and mysterious
it wasn't this grimdark Jason Bourne-wannabe shit. Also Daniel Craig was actually trying
>>62898275
sam mendes' films may be gorgeous looking but they're also slow and a little bit boring at times. he's simply no action director.
Next Bond villain right here.I'm serious. He'd be good.
>>62898452
bond vs CIA
>>62898379
That's the thing. His action scenes always seem a little sluggish and lacking impact.
When Bond was sliding down that mountain in a dewinged plane I marveled at how uninvolved I felt.
Martin Campbell knows how to direct an action scene. It's raw, it's visceral and fast yet also easy to follow and inventive.
The Parkour scene and the entire Airport sequence are two of the best action sequences in the entire franchise.
>>62898531
A rogue CIA operative that went M.I.A during an extraction mission.
His body wasn't found in the wreckage.
>>62898107
>t in actuality everyone sans Felix was also working against Bond. That really helped show just what Bond was getting into, how complex and unknown relationships are much more deadly and harrowing than a glib one liner and a bullet to the head. It showed Bond out of his traditional element in earlier movies and it
Everyone was against bond in poker? the fat black guy etc? I thought it was just Vesper who betrayed him
>>62898452
>Flightplanner
>He's the man
>The man with the power stance
>A big guy's stance
>>62897924
Does anyone else think the Opera scene from QoS was fantastic? the rest of the movie is forgettable, but bond crashing that meeting was so well done
>>62898054
lame character tho
>>62898663
they weren't working with Le Chiffre, they just wanted to win some money
>>62898691
Camille was a better character, imo.
But Eva is such a good actress, that she made Vesper more than the sum of her parts.
She's a hell of a lot more memorable than Junk in the Trunk from Spectre. But that was a great ass
>>62898356
>Also Daniel Craig was actually trying
He was decent in QoS though.
Skyfall was mostly shit because you could get rid off Bond and the movie would still work. Just use some other, random hitman or something. QoS wasn't very good but it still felt like a Bond movie. A bit.
>>62897924
This brief scene alone made Casino Royale vastly superior to any of the knock off that followed.
Also, killing Mathis in QoS was unforgivable.
The only thing that where QoS excels is in a proper resolution (which is why i threat both movies as one, same with Skyfall and Spectre) and it would had a better song if they had gone with the original Shirley Bassey one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCX4SxhpPwE
>>62897924
Bond was more masculine in his demeanor in a way that hadn't been seen since the Connery era. In a modern world of metro-sexual male heroes it was a welcome change.
The next movies went back to pandering to SJW garbage:
>moneypenny is black now! And now she kicks butt too btw ;^)
>>62898902
>>62897924
Also, these two right here were amazing in their roles.
Jody Dench, the CIA nigger and the original Tanner were pretty good too.
The only thing i would add to casino royale is the amazing performance from that chav who plays Q
Eva "fun bags" Green was in it
>>62897924
It isn't, though.
Skyfall > SPECTRE > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace
>>62899023
>Skyfall
>good
Skyfall gets worse with repeated viewings. it has the weakest bond girl since denise richards whos supposed to be the main girl in the movie but is a minor bond girl.
the ending is straight up home alone
>>62898179
Spectre was shot on film
Bond works best when the movie can be independent and bring its own thing to the table.
Quantum of Solace doesn't do that because it's a continuation, Skyfall doesn't because they felt on Bond's 50th they had to do something that thematically encompassed everything that Bond was up to that point. So both rely directly on previous Bond films for their success and so they feel stagnant.
Haven't seen Spectre.
>>62899065
>Skyfall
>Bad
Reddit please
>>62898972
>the CIA nigger
![Quantum.of.Solace.2008.BDRemux.1080p.mkv_snapshot_00.42.32_[2015.11.16_20.07.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5hD1SSN.jpg "Quantum.of.Solace.2008.BDRemux.1080p.mkv_snapshot_00.42.32_[2015.11.16_20.07.32].jpg")
>>62898685
I just watched CR and QoS this week
Yes, it sticks out as being good, but it's only a couple of minutes and I think people often mention it because it was just their favourite part of a slightly dull film
it's actual espionage
![Quantum.of.Solace.2008.BDRemux.1080p.mkv_snapshot_00.44.28_[2015.11.16_20.09.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DlCs7qp.jpg "Quantum.of.Solace.2008.BDRemux.1080p.mkv_snapshot_00.44.28_[2015.11.16_20.09.28].jpg")
this guy was such a slimy motherfucker
>>62898972
is Tanner not the guy Bond is working with before the african chase, who makes eye contact with the bomb maker? and who brtrays them at the start of quantum?
who's original Tanner?
>>62899107
QoS and Skyfall were shot digital though. Spectre still looked like shit with it's brown poop color tint.
>>62897924
It was directed by Martin Campbell- the greatest Bond director ever.
He should just drop everything else and direct Bond movies.
![00011.m2ts_snapshot_01.06.50_[2015.11.15_22.13.12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SgxnIlV.jpg "00011.m2ts_snapshot_01.06.50_[2015.11.15_22.13.12].jpg")
>>62899107
I made the same mistake, I presumed it was digital. I can't really tell the difference unless someone tells me
the film in Casino was gorgeous, though
>>62898685
>>62899274
No, it really isn't. Rogue Nation's opera scene was much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPxWDnA3IwU
![hda-casino.royale.uncut-1080p.mkv_snapshot_01.08.52_[2015.11.21_04.13.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4uho5JN.jpg "hda-casino.royale.uncut-1080p.mkv_snapshot_01.08.52_[2015.11.21_04.13.57].jpg")
>>62898054
hnnnnnggggggggggg
>>62899396
eva looks cross
>>62897924
It's a chicken egg situation that I think most people get backwards.
The last 3 Craig Bonds were meh BECAUSE Casino Royale was so good, and the franchise could afford to coast.
>>62898054
Or this. This is a good answer too
>>62898663
Vesper definitely. Mathis was playing all sides, it looks like. They were Bond's only two allies until Felix showed up.
>>62899543
>The last 3 Craig Bonds were meh BECAUSE Casino Royale was so good, and the franchise could afford to coast.
sounds kinda like the situation with Goldeneye, The World is Not Enough, Tomorrow Never Dies, and Die Another Day.
>>62899618
hey now, TND actually is pretty good, i would say it ages better in some ways than GE. it just gets lumped togetehr with the shit that came after
>>62899618
The problem is the producers. Ever since Cubby Broccoli died 1995, his daughter has taken over and completely fucked up the franchise. Almost every Bond movie since Goldeneye has been mediocre.
>>62899618
Exactly, you make one good movie, and people will pay for the next 2 or 3 phoned in sequels. You only need to keep up like a .250 batting average to keep people coming back
>>62899643
well I do think both TND and TWINE have their merits
>>62899643
The game was great too
>>62899667
interesting theory, probably proven true when the new Star Wars comes out
![00011.m2ts_snapshot_01.12.38_[2015.11.15_22.19.01].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LOh0DLU.jpg "00011.m2ts_snapshot_01.12.38_[2015.11.15_22.19.01].jpg")
>>62899665
a lot of them from before goldeneye have been mediocre at best, can't just blame a producer over the whole films
>>62899807
I loved this card game, I wish more big budget movies would have an uneven structure like CR.
>>62898972
Narcisse is pretty based
>>62897924
it wasn't made by a fucking hack.
I thought Skyfall was the best after I saw it the first time, but on repeated viewing it has gotten worse and worse. Certainly not a terrible Bond film, but once you get past the beautifully constructed sequences (in no small part thanks to Roger Deakins) there's not a whole lot going on underneath. For all it's pretensions on taking Bond back to his beginnings, all it really does is validate his behavior and does nothing to challenge or change the character at all.
Whereas Casino Royale was almost classical in it's characterization of Bond, showing how the youthful cockiness and masculinity was beaten out of him quite literally, and replaced with the more cynical, damaged Bond.
If Casino was Batman Begins, then Skyfall was trying to be Dark Knight, not just in terms of the plot of a battle between two individuals for the soul of their city/whatever, but it's pretensions of making an IMPORTANT, DEEP Bond movie. For all it's attempts to do this it falls under the weight of being Bond's 50th anniversary and sticking in pointless nostalgia trips like the Aston Martin etc, if not also to remind us that this is a Bond film that we're watching. Comparing back to Casino, which didn't try to outwardly be Modern, it just was by telling a nuanced story.
A great example of where Skyfall fails - the scene where Silva is testing Bond by forcing him to shoot the bottle off the girl's head. The girl we had been told was a former sex slave, passed from one guy to the next, etc. There's a whole to-do about Bond 'protecting' her or whatever. So when he shoots her, it's supposed to be a statement about who bad Silva is. Yet, the next moment Bond is making a poor one-liner and shooting up the place, which he could have done anyway without shooting her. Then moments after that helicopters arrive with victorious music, so none of that was necessary at all. The girl's death was completely pointless, and it fails in both making the film 'deep', and showing Bond's lack of humanity.
>>62897924
It was directed by the guy who rebooted bond before in 1995 with Goldeneye. It's amazing how the same guy made the 2 best bonds multiple films apart
>>62900557
Then he went on to direct Green Lantern and has been all but out of work since. Go figure.
Hope they bring him back when Craig expires.
>>62899446
you will never suck on her nipples while she moans in french. Why even live?
Watching it right now, Casino Royale is a fantastic Bond film. High-stakes poker game, car chases, womanizing, one-liners and "the whole world is gonna know you died scratching my balls."
Hated Quantum of Solace and Skyfall is forgettable. Definitely not watching Spectre, fuck that shit.
>>62900516
Silva killed her, not bond. She was dead regardless
>>62897924
literally JUST re-watched this
the dialogue is all just fucking excellent
>>62898356
>womanizer bond
actually he makes out with one married woman, smirks at lots of hot ladies, then slowly enters a committed monogamous relationship with vesper over the course of the entire movie
>>62899411
This gave me goosebumps when i first watched this movie.
so we are basically in agreement that CR is the best Craig film, and most people agree that GE is Brosnan's best.
what about the rest?
my picks:
Living Daylights for Dalton
For Your Eyes Only for Moore
OHMSS for Lazenby(yeah I know but thought I should mention it
and From Russia with Love for Connery
>>62901243
Craig= CR
Brosnan= GE
Dalton= TLD
Moore= TSWLM
Lazenby= OHMSS
Connery= GF
>>62901243
swap out FYEO with Man with the Golden Gun and we are set
>>62897924
its not, QoS is better than CR
BREEEE BREEEEE
>>62900813
>womanizing
again, see >>62901188
The reason Casino Royale is so good is because it is a decent adaptation of an actual Ian Fleming Bond Novel. That's why the plot is so much better than QoS or Spectre. After I saw it I actually hunted down the Bond Novels he wrote and I really wish they had just kept going with Craig remaking some of those novels because some of the adaptations are pretty terrible.
>>62901243
>>62901282
Connery - From Russia with Love
Lazenby - On her Majesty's Secret Service
Moore - The Man with the Golden Gun
Dalton - Licence to Kill
Brosnan - GoldenEye
Craig - Casino Royale
>>62901287
Get the fuck out.
Because Eva Green and Mads Mikkelsen, basically
>>62901358
The man with the golden gun is total shit
>>62901400
Agreed, but so is all Moore. At least TMwtGG has Christopher Lee and the golden gun.
>>62901415
Moore was great in LALD, TSWLM, parts of Moonraker and FYEO.
Alright, out-of-retirement John Wick vs damaged, jaded Bond. Who wins?
>>62901431
Moore was great in every Moore film.
The films he was in are total shit, though.
>>62901381
this love fest with CR is way over the top.
its fairly good, but QoS is much more entertaining than the boring drawn out card game of CR.
but i like watching CR and QoS together, one right after the other and i like how QoS picks up in and handles things in a more complex way.
i think the climax of both movies is when craig puts his friend in the dumpster/trash and says he would have wanted me to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INLbmW-HVo
plus the chick in QoS is far superior to eva greene. only hipsters and faggot english will like eva greene more
>>62901446
Bond, because of quick thinking and the fact that something always conveniently gets him out of a rough spot. You're also comparing flicks to films.
>>62901400
>>62901415
It also had the river jump stunt
>>62898902
How did they remove the camera guy from the reflection?
>>62901415
>so is all Moore.
nah, about half his films are attempts to be semi serious. For your eyes only is really good.
>>62901479
digitally erased I assume
>>62901450
>QoS is much more entertaining
Stopped reading right there.
>>62901479
It's clearly shot at an angle.
>>62901511
The angle is over the shoulder you stupid shit.
>>62901450
>plus the chick in QoS is far superior to eva greene. only hipsters and faggot english will like eva greene more
please don't turn this thread into a waifu catfight
>>62901525
No it's shown at an angle you dumb slut
>>62901339
Well, he gets the girl killed and gives no fucks about it.
>>62901602
probably happened in a few films before skyfall
>>62897924
babbies first Bond movie
>>62901450
the card game was literally the best part of CR. How pleb can you be?
>>62901667
If you are in your 20s that's that's probably the first James Bond movie you even seen. Maybe that's the reason of our over rating of this movie
>>62899360
the guy who looks for the skyfleet plane intel, tanner is M's attaché
>Best Film with the character of Bond in it
Casino Royale
>Best Bond Film
From Russia with Love
>Best Bond Song
Live and Let Die
>Best Actor to Play Bond
Craig
>Best Bond
Connery
>Best Gun Barrel Sequence
Brosnan
>Best Bond Girl
Sophie Marceau
>Best Bond Villain
Joseph Wiseman
>Personal favourite
Licence to Kill
Movies Ranked:
1. Casino Royale
2. From Russia with Love
3. Dr. No
4. Licence to Kill
5. GoldenEye
6. Goldfinger
7. The World Is Not Enough
8. Skyfall
9. The Living Daylights
10. The Man with the Golden Gun
11. Live and Let Die
12. A View to a Kill
13. Quantum of Solace
14. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
15. Octopussy
16. Tomorrow Never Dies
17. Diamonds Are Forever
18. The Spy Who Loved Me
19. Spectre
20. For Your Eyes Only
21. Die Another Day
22. Moonraker
23. Thunderball
24. You Only Live Twice
Best Theme Music:
10. All Time High - Rita Coolidge - Octopussy
9. Die Another Day - Madonna - Die Another Day
8. Nobody Does it Better - Carly Simon - The Spy Who Loved Me
7. Another Way to Die - Alicia Keys & Jack White - Quantum of Solace
6. A View to a Kill - Duran Duran - A View to a Kill
5. Skyfall - Adele - Skyfall
4. You Know My Name - Chris Cornell - Casino Royale
3. Goldfinger - Shirley Bassey - Goldfinger
2. The World is Not Enough - Garbage - The World Is Not Enough
1. Live and Let Die - Paul McCartney & Wings - Live and Let Die
All of the Daniel Craig ones are good action movies but shit Bond movies. Bond is supposed to be a refined agent who finds out conspiracies with his wits and views violence as an annoying inconvenience. The newer movies depict James Bond as some kind of belligerent badass that lives to beat people up mow people down with guns and cars. Basically making James Bond a generic action hero.
>>62901709
If you're in your twenties, wouldn't Brosnan be your first Bond? Craig's only been doing it 10 years.
>>62901737
That's my point, CR is almost 10 years old. I'm 24 and that's one of the first (non-for kids) movies I've seen at the theatre and the very first Bond movie I've seen
>>62901760
Fair enough. I'm 23 and I saw all four Brosnan movies in cinemas.
>>62901737I'm in my twenties and Spectre was my first Bond film.
>>62901479
https://youtu.be/4n71sjmd-bM?t=26s
>>62897924
only new Bonds are exciting at this point. they should recast with every movie
>>62901725
>9. Die Another Day - Madonna - Die Another Day
>7. Another Way to Die - Alicia Keys & Jack White - Quantum of Solace
really? these are the two worst bond themes
Haven't seen Spectre yet, how good is Christoph Waltz there?
>>62901725
>Best Theme Music
>Diamonds are forever not even listed
>>62901792
but then they might be forced to make a good script every time
>>62901725
>Best Bond Song
>Not A View to A Kill or Diamonds are Forever
Off yourself my friend.
>>62901774
Fuck everyone, Goldeneye is GOAT. Sure the older ones will always have that nostalgia and cool factor, but Goldeneye is just so damn fun. Not to mention the acting all around was pretty damn good (name an actor that stood out as being overtly bad)
Also, the new fucking Q SUCKS. James Bond is about GADGETS and espionage, not a fucking auto head whose a 4chan hacker, jesus christ, what were they thinking. Q is best played as an old guard who has a knack for tinkering and engineering cool shit, knows how to get the job done
>>62902044
Goldeneye is that one that starts with the plane scene in a soviet base? It's absoulute crap
The train fight scene was alright.
>>62901980
Never had anyone around me that openly cared for the movies, so I never got into them. I learned the basics through cultural absorption and that was good enough for me.
>>62902044
>Also, the new fucking Q SUCKS.
But how else could they get a gay actor to play an important role in a Bond movie?
>>62902104
>>62902251
NOT READY
>>62899382
To be fair it was in Mexico and Africa
>>62902264
>To be fair it was in Mexico and Africa
places you have never been obviously. Mexico doesn't not have a piss filter on 24/7 you fucking moron.
>People still posting in these viral marketing threads
>>62897924
Who else /underwhelmed/ by Spectre here? It's not a bad movie, it's well-made and all, but the story was crap and there was nothing spectacular in the action scenes. I liked the Bond girl, the intro was good, Monica Bellucci was cool, my favorite part was probably the fight on the train, some cool bare-knuckles action (reminded me of From Russia). Outside of this, I didn't find anything particularly impressive. I paid my ticket half because I wanted to see Christoph Waltz and I only got MAYBE fifteen minutes of him out of this movie at the very end. He gives a good performance but again he's only there for such a short time,but it was kind of cool to find out he was Blofeld through.
>>62902334
Blofeld means nothing to the movie. It's there for the audience. Retarded
>>62902334
>the intro was good
kek
There's a thread talking about why spectre was disappointing right now, go read up there.
>>62901823
His acting is god-tier as usual but his character is extremely underused
>>62898857
I agree on QoS
I actually found a lot to like about it, but it was just undercut by its script and the need to tie it to CR, and the editing just didn't work for me either
when I think back on it, there were a tonne of scenes to love: the opening chase (and trunk reveal), the dogfight, the opera
but actually rewatching that movie is a bit of a chore—the constant disorienting cuts and shaky-cam really rob those scenes of any weight
>>62902283
Never been outside the resorts and hotels have you anon.
Why don't you walk around Monterrey or stroll around Saltillo
>>62902386I can't find it.
>>62902376
Well yeah it's fan service shoved in there but shmeh. I thought it was cool, not very cool, but they put it in there and worked in getting his scar, I may be a retarded monkey but it kind of surprised me. Then again he was there for what, fifteen minutes at most? That disappointed me the most. And how did they tie him into the rest of the movie, they just sort of said he did it all and didn't explain it. Basically any new info from this movie could have been found out from the trailer.
>>62899395
why the fuck don't they get campbell back for christ's sake
they keep bringing back mendes
>>62902523
Seriously nignog?
>>62886119
>>62902523
*movies, like the things that happened in the other craig movies
>>62901132
the scenes where vesper is introduced are fucking delightful
their back-and-forth just works so well
>>62897924
That's like asking why is missionary sex for the sole purpose of procreation so much better than all alternatives and abominations---we'll never know for sure.
did QoS have a bond torture scene? I don't remember
it had easily the most satisfying ending of any of the craig bonds
>>62902507
Yeah, I rewatched some scenes. There is some nice stuff here but it's mostly in-scene, usually just little stuff. The synch with the Opera, Bond killing the guy on the balcony in the hotel room, and I really like the general setting and feeling.
QoS could have been so much better.
Dr. No is objectively the most underrated Bond film
>>62897924
Because it is the perfect Bond film.
>>62899395
>the greatest Bond director ever
That's not Terence Young.
>>62902934
This, watched it recently and it held up surprisingly well. All the seeds of Bond are in there, and it's quite serious with some goofy bits thrown in for good measure.
>>62899665
A lot of Bond films prior to Goldeneye were mediocre too. It's a 24+ film franchise, it's hit and miss. Though there's something for everyone within it.
>>62897924
because mads is sexy as fuck
no homo
Based Mads
>>62902934
Dr. No and From Russia With Love are legitimately two of the best ever Bond films.
>>62898684
im embarrassed that im an adult who still laughs at these
>>62899807
I saw this picture and I legitimately got this feeling of like "Man 10 years ago, those were the days."
The fuck is wrong with me.
>>62901450
>its fairly good, but QoS is much more entertaining than the boring drawn out card game of CR.
>plus the chick in QoS is far superior to eva greene. only hipsters and faggot english will like eva greene more
You should kill yourself.
What is the over/under on how many years before they make Bond a woman.
Also do they have a gay bond or a woman bond first.
ignore your first impulse that this is a dumb question, some studio will do this at some point
>>62903023
>>62903024
Mads hivemind
>>62901450
>only hipsters and faggot english will like eva greene more
wat.
>>62903193
Overheard my college professor talking to one of her students about how the next Bond should be black. Unfortunately if they ever branch out for actors I think that would be the most likely case.
>>62897924
VIRAL MARKETING
SHILL PLS GO
A Sony shill is behind the constant bond threads in an attempt to viral market
>try to tie all the Craig-Bond villain plots together as being part of Blofeld's master plan even though it doesn't make any sense
>Blofeld has apparently made it his life mission to make Bond's life miserable in the most circuitous ways possible
>oh and they also lived together as children
Spectre was retarded. They threw everything but the kitchen sink into the movie to make Blofeld Bond's biggest and baddest villain, but nothing he says or does feels all that machiavellian. The movie talks a big game and the scene with the Spectre inner circle was pretty baller, but as soon as they reach Blofeld's compound the movie completely loses steam.
>>62903242
Wrong image, can't find the ugly, angry korean girl.
>>62903242
but Americans will have absolutely no say in who plays bond, and blacks are a measly 2% of the population here, so na, bond will remain cast as a white man. (i assume you are american from use of 'professor' apologies if not)
>>62903291
That's a good point, I don't know why that never crossed my mind. I don't think it's likely for bond to become a woman, it would be too risky. A female bond wouldn't sell as well, probably, and would likely fall under harsher scrutiny. Plus, what would female Bond's first name be?
