biopic when?
At least Wendy O Williams had the decency to kill herself.
>>62891070
I always read about how crazy Wendy's act was. Checked out her music: it's horrible.
>>62891018
PLEASE NOTICE ME SENPAI
>amerifats can see gruesome killings and violence no problem
>censor fake tits and a fake dick
BRAVO
R
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V
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>WE DON'T NEED /CEL/! JUST SHIT MY BOARD UP!
>>62891018
Should've censored her face too
>>62891405
It was of its time. Melody and charm is for the millenials.
>>62891560
>amerifats can see gruesome killings and violence no problem
Those typically don't make it to TV either, retard.
Typical barely-literate Europoor.
god this is cunt is such a fucking tryhard "look at how edgy i am"
>>62891931
Are you actually mentally challenged?
>Miley gets a new gimmick
>normies think it's actually how she acts
>>62892061
>damage-control
Whatever makes you feel better about your insipid comments.
>>62892067
>Goes on stage and actually does it the madwoman
>Lol she isn't doing it u guize it's all make believe!!
>>62892061
He does have a point. Due to yurp's ban on any sort of blood or violence in media, europoors get queasy at the sight of as much as a small squib.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF AVOIDING THINGS LIKE VIOLENCE AND SEX MAKES PEOPLE MORE SENSITIVE TO THEM! IMAGINE THAT!!
>>62892084
Haha. Sad response, bruv.
>>62892104
Cool nonsensical samefag.
>>62892101
>it's all make believe
Yes, that's why it's called a 'performance'.
>>62892067
>new
>>62892141
no.
Is juggling also make believe? are the balls cgi or just magic?
Retarded faggot.
>>62892184
Is a play make believe?
>22
her brain isnt even finished growing. i wonder if she'll have some realization of what a douche she was around 29 or so
>>62892179
It's new for her, as her gimmick before this was the innocent girl that everyone loved.
Every artist does this. The music industry has very predictable booking.
Remember Christina Aguilera?
>>62892128
>nonsensical
what part, exactly?
It's fact that avoiding things makes you more susceptible to them. Which I'll admit, is general to the point of near meaninglessness, but it really does apply to everything. So yurps are sensitive to violence, clapistanians are sensitive to sex, and africans are sensitive to money.
>>62892227
>before this
She's been pulling this "filthy whore" act for four years now.
>>62892321
No not really. If you're going to compare her character in 2012 to 2013, you see the huge difference.
They realized no one cared about her dull "rebellious" persona, so they decided to exaggerate it, and the general public ate it up.
>>62892384
>and the general public ate it up.
[citation needed]
>>62892443
MTV Video Music Awards 2013.
>>62891018
hnnng
>>62892321
>She's been pulling this "filthy whore" act for four years now.
Dont hate it because you dont understand it. I know it must be fun for you to pull these mysoginistic comments anonymously but no rational person in real life thinks like you.
>>62892466
That is an event, not a source.
>>62892655
No rational person is impressed by miley cyrus' act either, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
>>62891931
>THIS can be shown on american tv
>but you cant see a woman's nipple
what's wrong with you monsters?
>>62892738
Cable television is not regulated by the FCC, so all they need to show that is a sponsor, and technically they don't even need that.
>>62892689
And this is ignorance.
>>62892104
I think this is a meme you've fallen for since they show unedited violent movies on tv here and original UK shows like Luthor are very grim and violent
Even GWAR had a better sense of fashion and design.
>>62892783
point is the woman has her breasts covered as shes being raped and slashed to death by a serial killer
>>62892790
>Luthor very grim and violent
you must have watched a different series than I did.
Also I like how you're pretending how, historically, british restrictions on blood and violence have been pretty strict, but sex and nudity are extremely lax.
>>62892783
Someone post Hannibal gore
>>62892834
The point is you can do/show anything you want on basic cable TV, if you have a sponsor for it, or if you want to pay out of pocket for it.
>>62892853
Hannibal showrunners worked closely with the FCC to find the five or six things the FCC spam groups hadn't whined about yet. But as the show went on, people complained to the FCC, and what could be shown was reduced.
I mean, you did notice how it got less and less gory as it went on, right?
>>62892738
>what's wrong with you monsters?
They're repressed WASPs who'd rather invade countries than sort out their sexual repression.
>>62892986
even they mothers and fathers preffer to chop they babies dick in the hope that they won't need to get near to it and wash it.
>no one has posted the pic of her in an actual diaper
I mean jesus fuck even brit had more fashion sense when she lost her rocker.
>>62892224
No, she probably won't. Normies like us don't realize that people like Cyrus are constantly surrounded by yes men and worshiping fans. Imagine walking into a room and having women and children crying, reaching out just trying to touch you; they push and shove to catch a glimpse while the cameras flash. Her assistants always make sure to remind Miley of her beauty. She goes to bed soundly with the confidence of King or emperor. Those "haters"? They're jealous, she thinks. Why else would I be selling out auditoriums? These children are crying and clawing to see me, the beautiful and talented Miley Cyrus.
These types of celebrities live in another world.
Even people like Lindsey fucking Lohan don't understand what a massive joke they are. Go check out Lohan's Instagram. She still thinks people actually give a shit.
>>62893264
>Normies like us
ree
>>62892738
Don't remember this scene from AHS, which season ?
>>62891405
New Hope for the Wretched was great for the time. The "metal" after that was pretty bad
>little girls follow her
>>62894408
It's their problem. Let them suffer the consequences.
>>62894429
Just hope you'll never have a daughter then
>>62894456
Women don't like me at all, so I'm safe.
I for one welcome our Slaaneshi overlords.
>>62894456
I pray to all the gods in heaven that I have a sexually adventurous, hot and sexy, "progressive" daughter.
Daddy needs his little girl to take care of him.
>>62893264
>Normies like us
fuck off reddit
hopefully she joins the 27 club early
>>62891018
if we still had MTV around we would already had 2.
>>62894741
do you think she actually might?
I will say one thing about Miley that I like, although I think she's not doing it on purpose. For context I'm a /pol/ack from way back, so I don't like excessive sexuality in art and culture, including nudity. Call me a prude, whatever, but the reason I don't like it is because it's appealing to our basest, most animal instincts. I'm not offended, I'm just bored. It's like being obsessed with feces, or urine. We all have sexual urges and genitals, I don't like how our culture is obsessed with this shit. Ok, there's my stupid pretentious gay personal disclaimer. But here's my point: one thing I like about Miley:
She's so outrageous and predictable with her sex and nudity and raunchiness that she's fucking boring people with it. Nobody is shocked anymore. They're interested a bit, too, but for the most part people keep up with it just like they keep tracking of a yankees winning season, or Dirk's three pointers. They expect them to win a lot of games, but nobody is shocked.
I think that's the reaction we should give this shock value shit. Everyone has genitals, everyone has sex or wants sex, it's fucking boring. The reaction to Miley is my reaction to every other part of culture that I find disgusting: "WE GET YOU HAVE A PUSSY. WE GET IT SEX IS LE EDGY."
In a way, I think miley's degeneracy is going to "accelerate" middle america out of degeneracy. I think modesty is going to come back when people have just become 100% desensitized to this shit.
And when our culture is less obsessed with the boring, prosaic, animal sexual urges we all have, maybe we'll become interested in the specific, unusual things some individuals have but not everyone. The things that actually make people special: talent, showmanship, musical innovation, emotion, etc... The things that don't exist between everyone's legs. The rare things in life.
What is interesting about Tiger? His common horniness, or his being the GOAT?
>>62896776
i genuinely hope so. she is the most untalented, manufactured star of all time but it would probably just end up making her some kind of legend like that hack heath ledger but at least i wont have to see her tired act anymore
>>62892061
he is correct
it depends on where he got this photo, a regular news broadcast hardly shows faces of death either.
I don't know why europoors get so upset about not seeing nudity? is it because they are virgins? is it because they need constant pornography?
Really whats wrong with you people?
Its not like seeing boobs is that difficult, why must you see it on basic television? Is it because you want to expose children to it because you're a pedophile?
>>62892831
GWAR is based as fuck though.
>>62896827
>all this projection
>>62896820
As off the deep end as she's gone, I think she actually takes care of herself (she's fit and performs well) and doesn't seem especially unhappy. Maybe when she hits the limit of how far she can push the envelope
>>62891018
>the little lesbian that could
who fucking cares, she is so fucking ugly that looks like justin beiber with little man tits.
she wasnt even naked she had a fake bra and a strap on the whole thing was a pr stunt
>>62896820
>i genuinely hope so. she is the most untalented, manufactured star of all time
this
how the fuck does an ugly degenerate hack still have a career
>>62896817
I'm drunk but I'm hope this makes sense.
I was thinking about this during the Ronda/Holly fight- they're both pretty hot, nice bodies (for weird looking MMA fighters), but during the weigh-ins they were both standing in front of way hotter ring girls in skimpier clothing, and nobody gave a shit about the ring girls, because hotness is a dime a dozen. We have our fill of hotness and sexiness already- but what everyone is interested in with Holly and Ronda was their specific skills and their specific fight. The particulars rather than the general and universal. Would I like to see Ronda's meat flaps and weird tits? Sure, and if she was willing to do it with me she's definitely get every hole obliterated, but that applies to any mildly hot girl- that's not what makes her special or interested.
Same with j-law- people don't like her because she's super hot- she's less hot than the average starlet- people like her because she's funny and specific in interviews (even if it is all a phony "just like le us" act)
>>62896827
>Look everybody it's a Puritan-latching-desperately-to-anything episode.
>>62896827
>I don't know why europoors get so upset about not seeing nudity? is it because they are virgins? is it because they need constant pornography?
Pretty much.
Seriously, they're the only people I see complaining that shit shows like Naked & Afraid aren't uncensored.
Apparently it's REALLY important that Eurotrash gets to see unedited footage of a 50-year-old's sweaty, mud-encrusted scrotum swaying back and forth while watching American television, and if they don't get to see that then Americans are all "puritanical prudes" or some other such Tumblr-sounding nonsense.
>>62896946
>she's definitely get every hole obliterated
>implying her vaginal muscles wouldn't snap your dick like a twig
>>62892738
>>62892986
>something fake vs. something real
Nothing in that scene is real.
You're getting mad that American TV can show what is basically Halloween decorations made out of latex and cooking-oil.
Real violence is typically rarely if ever seen on any American channel, even the non-Network ones. Same with real nudity.
You're idiots that lack basic logic and reasoning and use it to find justifications for your own retarded culture and your immature obsession with nudity.
Do you think GG would have gotten along with her?
I met GG when I was a kid btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E496MSz4keU
>>62892834
>That woman is being violently murdered, but I can't masturbate to it because some American prude covered her breasts! What's so wrong about wanting to see naked swinging titties WHILE someone is being violently murdered?!
No, I think it's you who has the psychological problem if your problem with a scene in a horror movie is "there's nothing to spank it to".
>>62896817
Miley's shock value is a microcosm for how all uninteresting people try to appear interesting, in the most superficial ways. Ever tried to have a conversation with a Suicide Girl? There's nothing behind them. They're empty vessels. They're like fancily wrapped presents with nothing inside.
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses- very few people are 100% well rounded. So often the facet people try to display to the public is what they're most insecure about- their weakness. It's signal theory 101. All the most specific and interesting minds and conversationalists I've ever met haven't been the hipsters, it's been the people who looked the most vanilla and boring. It's like an iceberg theory.
With Miley people are seeing it's all a fucking publicity stunt. There's nothing really deep about her, but she gives the appearance of being transgressive. Same with porn stars.
>>62897002
That's part of the fetish. I want Holly Holm to put me in a triangle choke and make me eat her pussy.
>>62897080
Porn stars often come from abusive enviroments. I guess Miley is angry with her dad, like many porn stars are
>>62896965
>Puritan
ITT Tumblr buzzwords.
Call him Cis-scum next.
>>62896943
>how the fuck does an ugly degenerate hack still have a career
Millennial children that have Liberal parents eat her shit up.
>>62896946
Holly Holms reminds me of Amy Schumer. They do both look like before and after versions of the same soccer mom. Schumer is the soccer mom you married because she was really cool in college but now you look at her ever expanding ass and think wtf we're not even 40 yet and she's let herself go to the point that i feel like i'm fucking a middle linebacker. Holm is the soccer mom that was kinda hot in college but looks kinda harsh now cause she overtrains so much, it started with a spin and jazzercise class, progressed to crossfit, but now she's totally obsessed and if she doesn't get a 13.1 or 26.2 sticker every weekend, she's a complete cunt to be around.
>>62897066
>I met GG when I was a kid btw.
The fuck kind of parents did you have that allowed that to happen?
>>62892986
>WASPs
Oh hey Tumblr.
I was wondering when you'd get here.
>>62897185
GG did great country music.
Continuing the discussion ITT of shock value being a fucking gimmick, it was WAAAAY more interesting than any of his fucking stage antics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_nWRVCNwg4
>>62897130
Do you think he broke her hymen? Her achy breaky hymen.
>>62897026
What is wrong with real nudity?
>>62897298
Maybe she just wanted to be a normal little girl but her dad pushed her to be a teen star and live vicariously through her. Just a theory though
>>62897349
The reason violence is more acceptable on basic cable and broadcast television than profanity and nudity is because violence is simulated and whereas nudity and profanity cannot be.
It's the same reason I can watch a Scorsese film and enjoy it, but why a gore thread or raid from 4chan, with pictures of actual citizens with their heads caved in, scars me for life. And Reddit knows this. That's why they insist posts like that be tagged with NSFL, even on subreddits like WTF. Violence in fictional television & film is ABSTRACTED, removed from reality, even if it's done with realistic make-up and effects. We know it's 100% not real.
Nudity, meanwhile, isn't. If you're a parent and you watch a movie with nudity, your child is ACTUALLY seeing a womans actual breasts or vagina, or a man's real penis. It's not all that abstracted or simulated.
Swearing is even more immediate, because it's invasive. So when a television show has swearing, the swearing takes place within your home. If I'm watching Goodfellas in my living room and my mom is in the kitchen next to it cooking, it's extremely easy for her to ignore the graphic violence, which she hates, or even the nudity. She feels completely comfortable doing so, it's easy for her to block out and ignore, and is again, abstracted. But when Pesci starts in with saying "fuck this," and "fuck that," my mom is hearing it, and I begin to feel guilty. She begins feeling uncomfortable. She only wanted to cook a meal, and my choice of media is flooding her space with language she hates. It might as well be me telling her "fuck" and "cunt." Why not? There's no abstraction there, and the sensory effect experienced by the consumer is the same.
Personally, I think parents should monitor what their kids watch more readily, and that it's their responsibility to limit media exposure. But Reddit is so arrogant in its position and has its head so far its collective ass that I actually hope the Hayes Code gets brought back.
>>62892738
How did you get my honeymoon video?!?
>>62897461
maybe she was being spitroasted by pedophiles producers while her dad counted the cash
>>62897349
Nothing is wrong, it's just that North America is a puritan society. I lived in Scotland for a few years back in the late 90's and they're much more sexually liberal there. As soon as the watershed hits at 9PM, TV becomes a free-for-all with nudity, violence and swearing galore. Open up a British newspaper and there's a chick with her tits hanging out. Janet Jackson exposes a nipple and the fucking retards in the USA lose their fucking minds. But the main reason is that the USA is a war mongering nation that wants to breed generations of young men teeming with violence. So violence on TV and in movies is allowed because it feeds that hostility and aggression. Sex is frowned upon because it promotes intimacy through physical connection which is what the US government doesn't want.
>>62897349
What's wrong with real violence?
![daf0bcdfbddcd08549ba98b1dbbc0def[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/11oBYOk.jpg "daf0bcdfbddcd08549ba98b1dbbc0def[1].jpg")
>>62897553
>tfw hannah montana was an alter ego created during a fugue state
>the producers thought it was cute
>made a show about it
>mfw my 9 year old niece got miley tickets for her birthday
>>62897689
>>62897649
>baseless armchair-psychologist xenophobia
Riveting.
Tell me more about how the lack of sopping vaginas on network television is a secret ploy by George W. Bush to brainwash everyone into being mindless super-soldiers, and how that isn't the single most fucking retarded shit ever posted in the history of /tv/.
>>62897649
Americans are most advanced than Europeans in terms of sex- we understand that the value of a thing comes from its scarcity. Sex and nudity mean nothing to Yuros- it's superfluous to them. It's not special.
Americans know sex has its time and place- the newspaper is not one of them. The Sun is a garbage paper anyway.
Yuro's waste sex and nudity with their obsession with its quantity- it's an animal instinct, it's the lowest, most basic thing.
Read Chesterton- and he wasn't even American!
>>62891018
>mfw I thought it was a thread about a tuba player
>>62897478
Then why are sex scenes uncomfortable to watch with parents? The sex is being simulated, just like violence is in film and TV.
>>62897751
>"Sex is an instinct that produces an institution; and it is positive and not negative, noble and not base, creative and not destructive, because it produces this institution. That institution is the family; a small state or commonwealth which has hundreds of aspects, when it is once started, that are not sexual at all. It includes worship, justice, festivity, decoration, instruction, comradeship, repose. Sex is the gate of that house; and romantic and imaginative people naturally like looking through a gateway. But the house is very much larger than the gate. There are indeed a certain number of people who like to hang about the gate and never get any further."
>>62897298
>Her achy breaky hymen
lol
no but she probably was a ay papi tier cocktease and like a good father he kept his distance and she hates him
>>62897764
>sup /wooo/
>>62897771
>Then why are sex scenes uncomfortable to watch with parents?
Because you're a 30 year old kisless virgin that still lives at home.
>>62897779
The rest of the house is filled with the decapitated bodies of mass murder.
>>62897771
Because there's still that contrast between the chaste feelings everyone has for their family, especially parents, and the unchase feelings we have towards sex.
It's not taboo to team up with your family and kill some invaders. If your house was being robbed, or if you and your brothers joined some militia together and had to fight off invaders, there's no conflict between family and violence. So there's nothing uncomfortable about bringing the two together.
But you're never supposed to fuck your parents- so having the two in close proximity is uncomfortable.
Sex is simulated in movies, but nudity is not. and simuated sex looks a lot like seeing people have sex for real- which is not some abstract idea. it's something we all know what it looks and sounds like. it's a realistic depiction of a common occurence.
but simulated violence is an abstract depiction of an abstract idea- something most of us will never experience. i've never been in a sword fight, or seen a serial killer kill a woman, or been to war. but i know what a cock looks like- so even a realistic cg rendering of one is very close to the reality.
I legitimately feel bad for Billy Ray.
>>62897874
Actually the rest of the house is filled with worship, justice, festivity, decoration, instruction, comradeship, repose.
>>62897919
That's what I said, decapitated bodies of mass murder.
>>62897939
No you didn't, you said something quite different. Whoops!
>>62897888
>Sex is simulated in movies, but nudity is not.
firstly,gr8 8's m8
Secondly there absolutely is simulated nudity. From pasties and modesty socks, to body doubles, and CGI nipples.
>>62897478
so as long as its CGI tits its ok? because thats replacing real nudity more and more. and hentai is fine too right?
>>62897980
But if it's so realistic you can't even tell, then it might as well not even be simulated in the minds of the consumer. It'd be a realistic simulation of something we all know what is looks like- tits, pussy, ass, cock and balls.
but I have no idea what a beheading looks like. so when I see it in a movie, I'm not relating to what I see in the mirror between my legs every moment. it's abstract, and it's dramatic. there's no visceral connection to reality.
>>62897689
>>62897689
>dreamcatcher tattoo
btw, I'm not saying it's not a double standard that we accept violence but not sex and nudity on tv, i'm just trying to explain my opinion on why the double standard exists. and to me it makes sense.
i want less violence, less sex, less nudity, less swearing on tv and movies. why? because the power of these things comes from their scarcity. it's like we've been eating nothing but dessert for the past 40 years of cinema, we're all getting cavities, and I can't even appreciate sweetness. I'm ready to cleanse my palate and have something savory now.
the image of a nude woman used to be the ultimate image of sexuality and desire in civilization, now nobody ITT can come unless the girl their your specific favorite subgenre you like this week is getting seven cocks in her at once. and even then you scroll through 80 videos and edge until you finally fine one you like.
>>62893264
Actually, I read that Miley seems very down to earth. The cast of SNL were expecting a stuck-up diva, who'd have dozens of assistants and the SNL cast could barely exchange a few words with her in person. However, she came alone and was a whole different person than her fame "persona".
>>62897689
she put on plastic tits?
At least her tits beggining to sag can be kinda sexy in a teen porn sort of way
>>62898205
you mean they were told to talk up how great she was in order to promote their barely watched show?
>>62897735
Well, explain to me, stupid cunt, why the USA went fucking crazy over a black titty in 2004 but The Passion of the Christ was released the same year and contained grotesque gore yet the religious/political right didn't say shit about it?!
>>62898160
>the image of a nude woman used to be the ultimate image of sexuality and desire in civilization
well thats just wrong
>now nobody ITT can come unless the girl their your specific favorite subgenre you like this week is getting seven cocks in her at once. and even then you scroll through 80 videos and edge until you finally fine one you like.
and now its just projection. I can still fap with just my imagination. sounds like you need a shrink though
>>62898239
fucking hell because the world doesnt want to be a bunch of castrated germans on nudist beach where nothing excites them or dumb african villagers
let something to the imagination and just be a whore with your pussy out like a filthy slut when i demand you to
>>62891560
Its a sfw board
>>62898239
50% of the American population sees tits every single morning they wake up when they take a shower. How many real crucifixions have you seen in your lifetime?
janet jackson = realistic image (it's a fucking live video feed) of a common secondary sexual characteristic, in the wrong context, since it's a bunch of kids watching it.
passion of the christ = abstract depiction of an abstract idea in the correct context of depicting the suffering the most popular religion icon went through for us. even if it wasn't jesus that level of violence would be seen as acceptable in that context it would be historical, and therefore realistic. 12 years a slave was universally beloved. i've never seen someone being whipped.
>>62897185
I was a street kid. I was hanging out with with my oldest sister who pretty much much raised at a place where punks, skins street kids whatever hangout. Anyway my sister had just bought me an agnostic front 7" and I was sitting on a bench looking at. A rock and roll biker looking dude with 2 hot chicks on each arm holding him up came over and was chugging a bottle of Jim Bean. He said "can I see that?" (my record) and I handed it to him. He looked at it and asked me if I liked that stuff and I said "yes". He said "you should come to the show little buddy" and gave me a head pat and had one of the chicks hand me a flyer. Anyway he stumbled off and one of the "older" skinheads (probably 16 years old) grabbed the flyer and ripped it up and said "YOU AREN'T GOING TO THAT. THAT WAS GG ALLIN HE IS A FAGGOT WHO SUCKS DICK."
Anyway that was that. No rape, no shit, no violence. Just a drunk gg. Oh yeah he handed me my AF record back.
>>62898252
>well thats just wrong
Nobody was interested in the story of Lady Godiva because of some interest in 11th century taxation, dude.
>and now its just projection. I can still fap with just my imagination. sounds like you need a shrink though
if you're telling the truth, I guarantee you're a minority in that regard. basic nudity makes my cock move exactly zero percent. it's completely prosaic.
>>62898376
What the fuck? those double much much and with withs came out of nowhere. tl;dr I was raised by my oldest sister and we were at a local hangout.
>>62898391
>basic nudity makes my cock move exactly zero percent. it's completely prosaic.
it's with them too. otherwise they wouldnt be "asking for nudity" (they're not, it's just spite) everywhere.
these people jerk to fucking shemale gangbangs and kuk porn
>>62898391
people today would be interested if a bureaucrats wife walked naked in the streets. Kinks show up in every civilization. You just pointed out a perfect example of exhibitionism.
And I guarantee you're like in your teens or early 20's where you can't stop masturbating everyday like most hormone filled teens on this site. If you give it a rest, it'll start popping up at random times or again, you have some other mental anxieties fucking with your head. Most people don't. Maybe not on 4chan(because of the demographics of young men) but even here i'm willing to take a bet on it just because you still see reactions of "any nudes" when someone posts a female. So there's signs of arousal at simple images of women there.
>>62898430
fuck off you reactionary child, nudity and sex have been a part of art since the stone age
>>62898629
>nudity and sex have been a part of art since the stone age
yes but art was art before the cultural industry and "the age of mechanical reproduction", it had actual potent meaning, it'd change the world, cause feelings of whatever persuasion. Read some Benjamin before spouting the word reactionary
It's like what Hakim Bey said, conservatives want to censorship those feelings (maybe to maintain them, like a religious person wanting to keep sex naughty). You already censored way before they could do anything. It means nothing to you.
>>62898629
I'm 26 years old, I guarantee I've been posting on 4chan a lot longer than you.
>fuck off you reactionary child, nudity and sex have been a part of art since the stone age
That's because it's prosaic. Being modest is the more modern, progressive sophisticated invention- etiquette comes after barbarism. Peace comes after savagery. Modesty comes after depravity.
>people today would be interested if a bureaucrats wife walked naked in the streets. Kinks show up in every civilization. You just pointed out a perfect example of exhibitionism.
1000 years later? Haven't have the presidents and prime minister's hot wives from Europe been seen topless already? nobody gives a shit. but lady godiva is still talked about a millenium later. it's because of the nudity- it was special. it wasn't common.
if people hated sex and hated the human body they would push it on society until it became meaningless. it's the people who love sex and love the human body that are willing to recognize it's power and specialness- but limiting it to appropriate occasions.
>>62891018
BLACKED when?
>>62898777
Sort of like how you keep a rare document under careful care and storage in order to preserve it?
You know why old comic books like Action Comics #1 are so rare? Because they were seen as trash and thrown out by every parent in 1939- nobody gave a shit- so we don't have a lot of them. But when the comic industry imploded, it was because they were printing too many comics in order to fuel the speculative market- trying to turn it into a commodity. Value isn't created like that- it's like trying to push a string. You have to pull on a string. Scarcity creates value.
miley devalues the human body and devalues sex, she's the one who hates it and causes other people to hate it.
also, it's bullshit when miley or someone say "it's just the human body." because nobody would mind if you grabbed a 12 year old girl's elbow as much as they would mind if you grabbed her vagina. genitals and secondary sexual characteristics are not just body parts- they're special, and they're treated particularly because of that. you can't erase millions of years of evolution and biology if an oh so "le logical redditor" mentality that the human body is just the human body and that nudity doesn't have meaning to us.
>>62898777
Now that you can't guarantee but if you could it'd be pointless since I'm far back enough there'd be no difference. But yes I remember when no one 4chan wide would start spouting off about degeneracy because they'd look just as ignorant as you now.
People weren't interested in lady godiva because soley she was nude, it was a story because she was nude in public and for political reasons. Nudity is boring now for the same reason its always been boring, everyone is nude, and in these before times your ilk try so desperately to idolize, most people had seen plenty of naked women in person by the time they reached adulthood.
I assume you're referring to the victorian upper classes when you talk about people who "recognize its power and specialness" so you should know your heroes there are huge hypocrites and by most insider accounts from the inside it was what you'd call "degenerate" just as much as any gathering of wealthy people today.
This is all before we get into just how much more sex people had in the past due to the lack of other kinds of entertainment options.
>>62899120
>most people had seen plenty of naked women in person by the time they reached adulthood
these are the same posters who will say everyone in the christian dark past were repressed prudes
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>>62899181
Missed my point entirely.
Also your understanding of history seems very dodgy and full of holes.
>>62899234
so in your history what did these 90% of people who couldn't even read do with their day?
I'd start by looking at what 90% of people on 4chan who can read, write, and have millions of different entertainment and artistic mediums competing for their attention do. Oh hey they spend a lot of their time jerking off and talking about what they're going to jerk off to later on. Its like sex is a really powerful force in human and drives behaviors!
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make honestly, and sorry for jumping into the conversation and you halfway through the thread. But I'm not even here to defend miley cyrus or any other media star because I hate that shit too. Mostly because its crude and too simplistic. Its pleb shit like michael bay is pleb shit. just with sex instead of explosions. Although michael bay shit also did sell a lot of ticket on account of megan fox appearing, and not even nude, just another counterpoint into your idea of people not being attracted to anything but shitting dick nipples these days.
But I just hate any argument that bases itself on
>things used to be better, then democracy ruined it!
because its always bullshit
>>62891018
lel
