If Luke fought Anakin in his prime (nothing artificial) when Luke was RotJ level trained, would Luke still win?
anakin IS in his prime when he was vader no? he's just a fucking brat in the prequels
>>62667526
he never reached his potential caus his limbs got fucked up and the armour hindered him (overall)
>>62667526
Obi-Wan took him on right after he decided to embrace the dark side, when he was all swole with greed and rage. If he had been given enough time to focus his power he would never have been beaten and Obi-Wan would never have been around to train Luke in the OT.
Anakin had much more training and experience than Luke. In his prime he disposes of Luke as quickly as Sheev took out Kit Fisto.
>>62667479
Depends, who has the high ground?
Who would win ssj goku but just after frieza battle vs Sheev at full power but both of them have light sabers with cross guards and Sheev has his clone ability seriously who would win guys
Guys what if anakin was actually the good guy and obi wan was the Sith Lord who planned all of this at full power with a big lightsaber do you think he'd win
Anakin would bat Luke, but not Luuke or Luuuke
>>62667479
Luke got like what, two weeks of training with Yoda? Didn't even practice any lightsabre
Would have been harder to take out the younglings
>>62667658
Obi wan can't be a bad guy he has a blue lightsaber
>>62667684
What if it was all a lie and red was actually the good colour and Sheev was trying to help rid the world of the Jedi who caused countless wars ending in a clone war and the creation of a purple lightsaber
>>62667665
Objectively anakin did nothing wrong by killing the younglings at that point he still had the higher ground how can someone with the higer ground be wrong
>>62667715
NO
BLUE = GOOD
GREEN = MORE GOOD
RED = BAD
>>62667479
Luke has a lot of raw talent, but Anakin was formally trained over years.
In the Prequels everyone is doing flips and shit.
Also isn't Anakin supposed to be like Force Jesus? Kenobi beat Anakin, but I think its just because he was in a blind rage.
>>62667773
Purple?
>>62667715
That's literally the plot tho senpai
>>62667803
THE BADDEST
>>62667803
Means your dark, but not into the dark side.
red + blue.
>>62667773
>>62667798
Nick Gillard and Hayden both said in a dvd feature that it was Anakin's angst and blind rage that made him lose that fight, so yeah he would've beaten Kenobi ez peasy if the fight happened at virtually any later date.
Plus he wasn't even at full potential. Full potential Anakin is some weird bullshit that literally throws around Sidious and Yoda according to some infinity materials.
>>62667479
Fuck no, Anakin would destroy Luke in less than a few seconds.
I don't think you understand how fucking stronk he was in his prime, and how Luke only just clutched out a win against a weak, conflicted Darth Vader later on.
>>62667846
>Grievous was a misunderstood good guy
>>62667856
Not to mention Vader probably didn't really want to kill his son, in V or VI.
>>62667846
What's your point?
>>62667951
context pls.
>>62667951
wtf is going on here? Source?
Anakin was stronger than Luke and Vader was stronger than Luke. The difference is that Vader didnt want to kill his son and thats why he lost.
>>62667984
>>62667987
it was some comedy skit or whatever. lucas is too nice, it was not believable at all.
>>62667479
>nothing artificial
WTF are you saying? He got his right arm cut off even before he could get good, so he already had an artificial thing in EPIII. Dooku kicked his ass and made him cry like a little bitch.
>>62667827
so you're blacksmells like pot pottery
People saying that the mechanical body and injuries slowed him down don't get it at all. It's all about the force and training in fights.
Although we could say that old ass vader probably wasn't his prime, neither was ep 3 anakin.
In the "making of" stuff they talk about levels of skill in ep 3, with obi wan being a high 7/low 8, anakin being a high 8 but losing due to overconfidence.
They describe yoda and sheev as 9's.
We have to assume vader became a 9 at some point following.
But either way, ROTJ luke would lose to vader in his prime certainly.
You can't compare them, they are literally from different universes
>>62667846
>Grevious was a good guy all along
OH MY GAAAWWWD
>>62670485
This basically, Vader was an old geez in ROTJ,
If Luke had fought Vader like a year after being put in his suit when he has fully harnessed the pain and learned to use his new strength to his advantage, Luke would have been pulverised.
>>62667803
NIGGER
>>62667773
Exactly.
Exar Kun did nothing wrong
>>62667479
According to mythology, the son (Jupiter) of the father (Kronos) and all successive generations is more powerful.
Power isn't everything though,especially when the fire nation attacked.
>>62670485
>We have to assume vader became a 9 at some point following.
No we don't. In fact, the opposite is true. Lucas explained that Vader could never reach his potential after Mustafar. He explains that Vader is roughly 80% as powerful as Sheev, so he never reaches that 9 and does not catch up to Sheev.
>>62667479
Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke in their first 1 on 1 fight
In Return of the Jedi maybe but if RoTJ was made today the action scenes would've been more over the top and Luke would be pulling off the same stunts Anakin was, so it's unclear if Anakin actually was better or if its just the modern CGI.
Luke at the end of ROTJ is the strongest Jedi to ever live, so no. Vader was in his prime at the end of ROTJ. Jedi get incredibly weak even around the presence of one or two Sith. That's why Mace Windu says, "Should we tell the Senate our use of the Force has diminished, because of this new Sith?" The more Sith that outnumber the Jedi = the weaker the Jedi is. Luke going into the presence of two of the arguably strongest Sith Lords of all time, meant Luke had balls of steel -- it actually meant more than that: it meant Luke's blind trust in the Force carried him through the battle. Luke was so in-tune to the Force that he literally felt no evil in the presence of the Sith, once again, two of the strongest of all time. This is of course a product of his up-bringing; he's a childlike farmer thrust into this position of a knight. Now, something very interesting happened in the ROTJ battle. Luke slowly succumbs to the Dark Side -- he starts hammering on his own father who's now begging for mercy. For a Jedi, even being in the presence of the Sith is dangerous, because they are seducers. Like turns the tables on Sheev, who is one of the best seducers of all time. Luke seduces Vader, and Anakin returns drawn back from possibly the darkest areas of the dark side.
Size matters not, age matters not. Vader having aritifcial limbs matters not. Luke was so powerful that he could turn a master Sith back to the good side
>>62670723
Grievous stole his light sabers from slain jedi tho.
>>62671046
Cool headcanon
>>62671199
How is that head cannon? That's literally taken from the movies, mate. I'm a guy who's never read any EU or watched any cartoons, etc etc.
The only head cannon here is >>62670485 which just uses a made up leveling system so that the video games can have a coherent progressive structure lol
>>62671253
His father didn't want to kill him and Sheev didn't want another fucking Vader.
Anakin would've rekt Luke.
>>62671253
>How is that head cannon?
Because it goes directly against what George Lucas has stated in the commentaries.
I mean, I do like your version, but Luke is not the strongest Jedi ever until post ROTJ, and Vader never matched Sheev's power.
The Sith Lord dampen Jedi stuff is all prequel retcons too, so they aren't really applicable to the events of the OT.
Again, I like your version, but it's your interpenetration of the films.
>>62671018
Vader would be a 9 imo since in his prime in the suit he'd beat Yoda pretty handily, Sheev is maybe a 10 and Anakin had the potential to be a 12
>>62671330
Oh, okay then. I've never seen the commentaries, which explains it
>>62671363
I'm ok with that, Lucas just made it a point that Vader never catches up to Sidious in power, but it makes sense that both grow in power.
>>62671366
It's pretty interesting, worth listening to if you want to see what George was going for. Of course, George could be just bullshitting and explain what his interpretation is of what's happening, and this may not match the original intentions when RotJ was made. George likes to pretend he had everything planned out, but in reality changed his mind a ton of times. But his commentary is better than nothing.
>>62671046
>Vader was in his prime at the end of ROTJ
Yeah okay, w/e you say. Its not say.. 20 years earlier when he just got his suit and was fully trained or anything.
If Anakin reached his full potential, would he be able to beat Perfect Cell?
>>62667479
Asking this question is literally retarded. Luke did confront Vader and won by not letting the dark side get into him.
>>62667846
That was a good trick.
>>62671841
Not Vader prime.
>>62671456
>Lucas just made it a point that Vader never catches up to Sidious in power
Except that Vader kills Sidious. Why have none of you underage b& faggots ever watched ROTJ?
>>62671864
You're retarded. The whole story arc of Anakin is that he never had control over his emotions. He was too butthurt about being a slave and his mommy issues to ever get control of his potential.
Luke almost went that direction by chasing off after Han and Leia, but in the end, he did control it and even caused Vader to come back and Sheev to get killed.
Do none of you trivia nerds actually understand the fucking story?
>>62671819
This makes no sense though. It doesn't matter if you're old and can barley walk. Just look at Yoda.
>>62667846
>Grevious was the most good of all the guys
>>62671868
I think we can agree that those were rather special circumstances.
>>62671896
m8, Anakin freshly trained in the suit would trump old decrepid eyebrow anakin any day of the week. If you want to go with some meditating in the force to make him more powerful as he ages shit, then you can, but all you see in the movies is a young man who fights really proficiently and an old man swatting around.
>>62667479
depends who had the high ground f a m
>>62667803
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>>62671915
The question was asked, Vader vs. Luke. We have a canon interpretation of that. It's not something to speculate about.
Luke wouldn't fight Vader after RotJ-level training. The only time he fought him before he had his Jedi enlightenment he got pwnt.
>>62671832
Fuck off with your weebshit.
>>62667846
Stolen light sabers, breh. Didn't he kill Jedi to get those?
>>62671958
Only correct answer itt.
>>62671868
>Except that Vader kills Sidious
by throwing him down a big hole
that's like saying some random journeyman boxer is better than prime Ali because he could sneak up behind him in an alley with a cricket bat
>>62671947
>old man swatting around
Except that the OT was close to real sword fighting
http://youtu.be/nGearEu2PlU
The prequel fights were all CGI. Unless you really think people in real life do 720 twists through the air
Now, like I said, it doesn't matter if Anakin was a 60 year old man when he fought Luke
>>62671166
thats because they stole and destroyed his red ones
>>62671992
>The question was asked, Vader vs. Luke
But it wasn't. >>62671868 implied that Vader was more powerful than Palpatine.
>>62672063
He was more powerful.
>>62672033
I'm just going by the clear progression we saw in the movies, not some shit about how they were more courtly knights who fought slower and clunkier. They can utilise the force, the acrobatics aren't a stretch for the most powerful. Just look at yoda right?
>>62672103
Nope.
>>62672063
>palpatine
Don't you mean SHHEEEEEEEV?
>>62667479
The prequel duels are about power levels and high grounds
The original duels are about the characters having them
Caring about who is stronger in star wars confirms you for prequel babby
>>62667633
Freeza.
>>62672354
Sheev always looks so happy. Is he the friendliest force-user ever?
>>62667872
It's like pottery, it spins.
>>62667773
I always thought green was the more in between color.
Qui-Gon had green and he was a bit of a mad bastard. Certainly more neutral than prime Obi-Wan.
Luke's own was green and he was pretty brutal at times in ROTD.
>>62671947
You never see him fight in the suit in episode 3.
>>62672174
when he converted to the light side, he was.
>>62667479
>>62667544
>>62667566
Anakin would have defeated Obi wan and still have his limbs if he did the Sheev spin instead of a flip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve1889zS030
>>62672519
people don't get obi-wan was the gangster f a m. No one else on his level.
YOOOO THE JEDI COUNCIL IS SO FUCKING REAL HOLY SHIT!
YOU GOT OBI-WAN "AWWWW SHIT THAT NIGGA QUI-GON OUT I GOTTA PUT DA TEAM ON MY BACK DAMN FUCK YALL PALPATINE VOTIN ASS NIGGAS WHO GOT THE HIGH GROUND NOW" KENOBI
MACE "YALL REALLY THOUGHT YODA WAS THE BEST JEDI MASTER? LOL SUCK A DICK" WINDU
KI-ADI "GOT TWO BRAINS NIGGA AIN'T GOTTA BREAK A SWEAT LOL" MUNDI
PLO "CHASEDOWN LIGHTSABER SLASH THAT FUCKING ASS NIGGA TAKE A GOD DAMN SEAT" KOON
AAYLA "FINEST BOOTY IN THE DAMN GALAXY" SECURA
SHAAK "MEDITATION HERO" TI
KIT "PUTA MARICON ESE VATO IN THE BARIO NIGGA" FISTO
MASTER "U WOT M8?" YADDLE
HOLY FUCK THESE ARE THE REALEST NIGGAS IN THE UNIVERSE
HERE'S SOME DIALOGUE FROM A RECENT CLONE WAR:
JANGO FIGHTING WINDU
WINDU: DON'T MAKE ME SHIT ON A NIGGA
Jango: Please Windu I'll suck your dick please don't do it I obey
WINDU: DON'T MAKE ME SHIT ON A NIGGA
WINDU: IM BOUTTA SHIT ON A NIGGA
MACE WINDU WET ASS DECAPITATION KILL ON JANGO
WINDU: DAMN. Just shit on a nigga. Another fucking day in the Jedi Council.
You people are retarded. Vader has an extra 20 years of combat experience and studies. Not to mention that he was the most prolophic Jedi hunter in history. Luke won because he was a prodigy, and because Vader was holding back. Prime Vader would merk Anakin.
>>62672718
DAS IT MAYNE TELL EM SOULJA BOI
>>62667479
Fuck no.
>>62667951
>>62672420
The prequels did not deserve Sheev tbph
>>62673429
>not "not for you"
dun goofed
>>62672024
>muh circumstances
You understand that when Vader left the dark side due to Luke's actions he became powerful enough to end Sidious, right? It wasn't because he snuck up on him.
>>62667479
the star wars history has showed many times that anakin is a huge looser
>>62674316
Seeing as it killed the shit out of Vader to do so, that sounds very suspect. The Emperor was focused on Luke, Vader lunged, grabbed what was essentially an old ass man using his cybernetic enhanced body, and threw him down a hole.
>>62673429
Not
>Is it possible to bring friends?
>>62674316
>turning to the Light gave Vader +5 strength boost
Fuck off EU faggot.
>>62671046
good post
>>62674553
>4 str 4 stam
>>62667479
Luke wouldn't stand a chance. Anakin was a trained Jedi with years of experience on top of him being the chosen one with the strongest force ability in history. As Lucas said in the webisodes for the prequels, the OT had nothing but old, tired men(Vader, Sheev, Obi-Wan) and a young untrained and inexperienced guy(Luke). The prequels were Jedi and Sith in their true strength.
>>62667505
/thread
>>62667803
Bad
Mother
Fucker
>vader gets burned bad and all his limbs amputated
>is the clumsiest piece of shit ever
>barely anything left of grievous' human/whatever the fuck he was before body
>hes a ninja that can fucking climb walls and fight with 4 lightsabers
how fucking dumb was the emperor or did he just want vader to be shit
>>62675871
because lucas is a hack, books n shit have tried to explain it as the emperor was so afraid of vader's potential that he gimped him on purpose
>>62667846
the cgi is so fucking bad
>>62676649
Go back to your keyhole you annoying twat
