ITT: Patrician films.
>>53682175
Well meme'd, my friend!
I love Luc Besson
>>53682439
If you like the psychedelic visuals and homoeroticism of this film (of course you do, don't deny it), then you'll probably dig Kenneth Anger.
Not even kidding.
>>53682688
what film is this? the poster is fantastic
>>53682913
Profound Desire of the Gods
one of the few comedies that made me feel truly uncomfortable to the point where I couldn't laugh. unsettling but terribly engaging. it feels like the intention is to indicate that you could turn it off at any point but you can't because of morbid curiosity
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>>53683289
>>53683301
It feels like I'm the only person on the planet that's seen this. I wish more people knew of it, it's powerful stuff.
/tv/, is there another film like this?
>>53682439
is this as good as everyone says it is?
>>53683870
Why don't you find out yourself
How's Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence? Does it deserve to be in this thread?
>>53683915
I'd like a second opinion from the place I visit regularly before I put money towards buying it. I know, I know, I could torrent it, but I prefer to buy my films physically as I'm a collectorfag.
>>53683978
I don't see why not, it's high-brow and comes from a legend of Japanese cinema.
>>53683289
This movie is actually really bad. A good example of hiding behind the "slow cinema" label. It's a family melodrama, and not even a good one.
> 15-hour film that's an authoritative film history lecture
>>53684037
Ok. An anon linked the theme in an OST thread and I've been dying to see it since.
How about patrician documentaries?
>>53684129
Do see it when you can, it has Bowie in one of his best roles and Takashi Kitano, once again, shows how versatile he is.
>>53682383
gimmicky trash
DUDE ONE SHOT LMAO
>>53684142
Yes. Go for it, my friend.
>>53684174
Thanks anon. Will do.
http://youtu.be/QqPO9DvI9uw
>>53684178
It does ride on the single-shot "gimmick" (although I'd rather call it one of its many appeals). it's technically mesmerising with how the director must've choreographed and planned every meticulous detail of movement, from the cinematography swerving inbetween the actors, and the actors knowing just exactly when to move and perform, i.e. early on there's a fantastic little moment where the camera focuses on framing within framing - down a corridor through two doorways - and just before the camera moves away, a woman walks into sight at the furthest end; it's almost like chance and it feels very spontaneous. The film is full of life and if you have a brief interest in history or dream-like filmmaking, it's an amazing film. At least I think so. I loved it, anon.
>>53684092
with an extremely irritating narratorit's a good way to learn about film and movies that one needs to see though
>>53684322
The making-of documentary is far more interesting than the actual film
>>53684069
kill yourself.
>>53684331
I hear this criticism a lot but I find his voice somewhat reassuring. Although for 15 hours my opinion may change.
>>53684352
I'll check it out, I believe it's on my Russian Ark DVD so I will watch it. From what I've heard, the making-of is meant to be amazing.
>>53684092
fuuuuck, how do I see this? no torrents anywhere, and I'm blocked from American Netflix
Is it worth the $60 to buy it?
Does the Stalker blu ray have a date besides "2015 Q2"?
>>53684485
> $60
Holy shit, dude what
I live in the UK and bought the DVD for £15 (maybe £20).
I'd say it's worth it though, I mean, the length is fucking crazy but it's full to the brim with film history as well as filmmaking tips, techniques and interviews.
Just saw pic related this weekend
It looks great, has a great soundtrack, and the dynamic between the two (and how the sex scenes reflected it) were always interesting. If you already knew how it ended beforehand, I'm sure you could get bored, but it has made me want to see more Oshima (especially his later stuff).
>>53684516
No. His whole filmography is supposed to be reissued, but it's all very mysterious.
>>53684591
>but it's all very mysterious
Just like his kinography
>>53684591
Damn. I've only seen Ivan, and I can't wait to see the rest.
>>53684632
ayyy
>>53684666
spooky trips
>>53684590
I really liked that movie, thought it was a nice off-the-wall fantasy film. And then I found out it's based on a true story. Made it even better.
>>53684708
I saw it in a pretty full theater and the groans during the ending were great
Did they fuck?
Early Fritz Lang was just tops.
Love these "patrician" threads where everyone posts random pictures of movies they've never seen and don't discuss anything.
>>53682238
Well trigger'd!
>>53684862
There is some discussion going on. Some posts have no responses and do not prompt conversation, but some do.
i'm just gonna post random pics and not say what film they are from because i'm a dickhead.
>>53684862
It's an image board, anon, images are going to be posted in blank posts. It's not like there hasn't been discussion in the thread but not everyone will have seen everything posted.
>>53684862
>>53684959
Seeing posters lets people find out about movies they might not have heard of. They can do their own research.
>>53684906
The only Bresson film I've seen is A Man Escaped but I hear fantastic things about this film too. Is there any other Bresson films I should check out that are considered essential?
>>53684994
good for you
>>53684959
Go for it, knock yourself out.
>>53685010
Pickpocket
Mouchette
Diary of a Country Priest
L'Argent
But really, all of them deserve to be seen. He is fascinating and I think his influence is going to be felt for decades.
>>53685103
don't mind if i do thanks for the support
>>53684862
posting random pictures is patrician
>>53684092
Didnt know this was a thing. What am I in for?
>>53685122
Thanks, will do
>>53685161
Discussion of film techniques; vast and detailed film history from the invention of film and the silent era to the present day; interviews with prominent filmmakers; etc. It's basically everything you'd want from a documentary about films.
The narrator puts a lot of people off because of his voice, but I feel that's a small issue, if any issue at all.
>>53685010
>>53685122
I agree with this anon, the list he gave is must watch but definitely watch as much as you can, he is my personal favorite and an amazing filmmaker. But Au Hasard Balthazar is my pick of the lot.
Also, Luis Buñuel's Nazarín
>>53683329
>>53683371
Herzog's best films, no doubt. It's tragic about what Bruno S went through in his life, but he conveys that in his performances beautifully. Both sweetly tragic films.
>>53684959
The Terrorizers/Kong bu fen zi (1986)
>>53685193
Daisies (1966)
>>53682543
Do people only recommend/post this because of its length making it a challenge to watch or is it actually good?
Like, I admire Bela Tarr's work (at least that which I've seen so far) but from what I've heard about Satan's Tango, the scene everyone seems to mention is the cat scene.
Surprised this hasn't appeared yet.
>>53685302
What's wrong with this babby? :(
>>53683140
Am serious hyped for Duke of Burgundy
>>53683351
This is the best Wenders, 5/5 fantastic film.
>>53685525
I watched 20 or so minutes of this a month or two ago and turned it off. if only I could grasp stuff like this
>>53685581
please tell me who she is
>>53685638
absolutely nothing
>>53685681
Me too, it looks unsettling. I hear there's actually not any sex in it (or if there is it's minimal) which makes me more interested in that sleazy/unsettling atmosphere it has about it.
>>53685747
If I remember correctly, there's a message from the director before the film suggesting viewers just watch it visually instead of trying to get meaning from it. It's easier said than done, but once you get into that frame of mind while viewing it, it's absolutely stunning.
>>53685758
>>53685302
Post Tenebras Lux
>>53684837
La Grande Illusion
>>53685750
pic related it one of these people
>>53685819
wow you can google, you want a cookie or something?
>>53686102
Don't be mean.
>>53686102
First you purposefully try to piss people off by posting screencaps without the movie title and then you insult me for saving people some time. What a dick.
>>53686102
thank you
>>53686102
>>53685581
Unglassed Windows Cast a Terrible Reflection (1953)
What is your favorite piece of music from the end of a film?
Mine is either from pickpocket or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5CamOt1uc
>>53686545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ALmH6Zs1Q
>>53686102
m8, people are trying to enjoy themselves, even if you don't like it, we're making a game out of your posts
ITT: Euro-Trash
>>53685485
it's genuinely really good
the book is great too
>>53686545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRl3VQQ0GUA
From Werckmeister Harmonies.
Required
>>53686690
Not everything posted here was filmed in Europe, anon.
>>53683289
You're drunk, Emilea
>>53686545
that would probably be the ending of La grande Bellezza
pretty kitsch, i know. but to hear this soothing song at the end of this movie was just incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjJDM07edE
>>53686718
This is what played during the credits http://youtu.be/EMlQ04g0pDc
>>53686718
Oh god, I can feel the weight of the film just from this track.
>>53686920
Oh, my mistake. I guess the one I posted was just the one that was imprinted in my head the most after the film, it was my favourite piece of music in it.
>>53686877
That film is so fucking good.
>>53686920
Damn, the music in this film is haunting
Is this patrician enough for /tv/ ?
>>53682408
Samsara and Baraka are leagues better.
>>53687220
where are all the furnitures
>>53687220
I dont think so , my mum enjoyed it.
>>53686920
>>53686718
This is beautiful.
>>53683351
>>53685725
How is the sequel?
>>53687357
I've yet to see them but they're on Netflix so I will make an attempt to see them soon. If they're better than Koyaanisqatsi, I'm sure I'll fall instantly in love.
>>53687387
It's theatricalism.
>>53687450
They have sets and props in plays.
>>53687220
Lars Von Trier is good, but he's more like an entry-level "patrician" director. You wouldn't necessarily put him in the same leagues as Tarr, Bresson, Bunuel or Pasolini.
>>53687357
>>53687441
They really are so much better.
>>53686690
>>53687472
While I completely agree we probably shouldn't count him out yet. Although he still makes misses (Nymphomaniac) he still manages to make interesting films (Melancholia).
>>53687517
Oh I don't disagree, I do really enjoy his works (I actually enjoyed Nymphomaniac and I'm curious to see his director's cut). I find him instantly enjoyable (well, for lack of a better word since his films do focus on taboo subjects).
>>53687496
this is my favorite film and I'm not even murrikan
>>53687220
Nothing by Hack von Trier is "patrician."
>>53687472
i'd agree to an extent, but Breaking The Waves imo rivals Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice
>>53687742
>anything of Von Trie rivaling Tarkovsky's third best film
Lord help this pleb
>>53686393
yeah i already said that
i'm good at what i do
How do I into Patrician cinema ?
Something like Fellini or Bresson ?
I thoroughly enjoyed Persona.
>>53687917
criterioncore is not patrician
>>53687470
Some plays do, some plays don't.
>>53687959
>doesn't provide solution
>makes disparaging remark
Welcome to /tv/
ITT: Safe bets taken directly off some 100 top movies or similar list.
>>53687917
Read a book about film history.
>>53682722
>70'S waifu movie
> turns into a pile of bananas
> patrician
/tv/, not even one time
So out of all his output, which movie is Fassbinder's best?
>>53688270
>Read
>History
Fuck you
>>53688191
haha you wish
>>53688273
What's the matter, too EXPERIMENTAL 4u? Do you need some Nolan capeshit spaceships for FANTASY to make sense???
>>53688295
It's the only way.
>>53688191
Only made 10 of the movies posted here would be on some 100 top movies list.
> No Heimat
> no Berlin Alexanderplatz
> no Faust
> no Spione
It's like /tv/ HATES German cinema.
>>53684232
The best example of an amazing child actor.
>>53688405
> Heimat
> Berlin Alexanderplatz
Are these films good? I'm curious but I don't want to invest 30+ hours to find out that there's not much substance and that I could've watched much better films.
>>53687917
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php
https://www.youtube.com/user/FilmmakerIQcom/videos
>>53688440
http://letterboxd.com/ymir_from_venus/list/movies-with-great-performances-by-child-actors/
What does /tv/ think of Jan Svankmajer?
I love the majority of his work. It's distinctive; everything he does, from stop-motion, live-action, puppetry, etc, you can just instantly recognise it as his. I love the ideas he gets for his films too. He can either be very funny or surprisingly unsettling.
>>53688561
Also, look at some of the online courses in the Film History/Appreciation section of this page.
http://filmmakeriq.com/2012/09/20-free-online-college-film-courses/
>>53688591
I'd agree with a lot on this, anon, nice list. Seeing The Hunt makes me want to re-watch it, but I think you're right. I don't think the role that child had to play in that film would've been particularly easy to direct.
>>53687912
Is this El otro oficio (1967)?
Since it is Oscar night, I might as well ask:
What is the most patrician movie to win Best Picture?
>>53688915
Fargo
>>53688915
American BeautyLOL
Wings (1927)
>>53688915
Whiplash. It's a film about obsession and determination with jazz music as the backdrop.
>>53688962
>win
>>53688962
>You betcha
>>53688988
Naa, it's more like version of Full Metal Jacket with music , to be honest a patrician movie who won the oscar was The godfather II or The deer hunter.
>>53685485
It isn't harder to watch than say, a Star Wars or LotR marathon. Hell, if you've watched more Tarr there isn't any way that you dislike this. And there are some other memorable sections besides the cat scene, like for example
>the first scene with the cows
>the drunken peasants dancing
>the doctor spying on people
Still, >>53683278 is the best from what I've seen from Tarr.
>>53688915
The Long Weekend, On the Waterfront and The Godfather.
>>53688635
Ottesanek is in my top 10. Guy's brilliantly insane, if I remember well he did some tv ads for ''old'' MTV.
Anyone here shop at based Fopp?
>>53688988
Oh wait my mistake, I thought the guy was meaning "most patrician movie to win this year" so I thought we were just taking guesses at what might win tonight whoops lol
>>53688635
Best Czech is a crazy Czech. How can you not love Svankmajer?
>>53688915
How Green Was My Valley or Sunrise or An American in Paris.
>>53688988
It's more like a love story between two psychopaths, set against a jazz backdrop.
>>53688405
Well, someone posted >>53682988 and >>53684838, and yeah, Spione is just as great.
Faust's work with miniatures (I'm guessing Murnau's version) was also amazing, it was interesting to see a different version from the legend.
>>53687582
N1 was pretty good, N2 was a huge mistake though. That ending, talk about a fucking cop out.
>>53689279
Yeah, the miniatures are still very well detailed today. That shot where Faust is floating with Mephisto over those landscapes is just brilliant
>>53688988
But that movie had literally every single cliché about sports movies, but with jazz instead.
>>53689333
Murnau was honestly ahead of its time, even moreso than Lang, I dare to say.
Who knows what could have done if he had lived.
>>53689297
Yeah, actually that ending did bother me. It felt tacked on, it would've worked better if the50 year old virginjust accepted Joe's story after sharing his wisdom throughout it. It just feels immature having that ending. That and Shia LeBouf's accent is really bad.
If an actor can't do a certain accent, either hire one whose accent is natural or allow the actor to perform in their native accent. It's so simple.
>>53689250
> love story between two psychopaths
Haha, that's true. It especially makes sense in that ending, it's like Simmons realises how good Teller is on the drums and is just encouraging him to just push a little further for that ace solo. That day, senpai noticed him.
It has some weird narrative experiments that make it a little difficult to follow at first, besides being spoken in Czech, but it is outstanding in every department.
>>53683178
Isn't that supposedly the first mockumentary? People think the genre was created by the blair witch Project but there were films before that...
>>53689591
>Isn't that supposedly the first mockumentary
No, there were many earlier examples and the first I can think of that fits the modern idea of mockumentary is This is Spinal Tap. It goes way back though.
>>53689591
No
It had been around for a long time before that. Las Hurdes is kind of a mockumentary, but not as evidently as later stuff. David Holzman's Diary was also made in the 60s. Plus, haven't you seen Adaptation? Fellini invented the mockumentary.
>>53689741
I've not seen it but supposedly Greenaway's The Falls was a mockumentry.
>>53689591
BWP isn't a mockumentary: it's found-footage.
And people argue over BWP or Last Broadcast, in terms of first found-footage -- though, BWP had more influence, and more actual "found" footage, TLB was first.
>>53689591
>Isn't that supposedly the first mockumentary?
What about Nanook of the North? Also, >>53685734.
>>53682882
Imagine a bunch of polish kids being exposed to this shit. Fucking hell, it was unsettling.
>>53689591
The War Game and Threads came out before it, although Threads is arguably a mockumentary. It's dreadfully realistic and informative, but it's not real, more like hypothetical re-enactments.
>>53684596
Maya Deren is a fraud. A majority of her work was made by her lover, who received no recognition for his massive (some would say pivotal) role in "her" works.
>>53690046
Oh man I could guess, the Quay Brothers' films weird me out.
>>53686809
>a film this good will never be released in your lifetime
>>53690158
Is that true? Oh shit, I wasn't aware, do you have a source for this? Like, was she "director" and her partner was everything else?
>>53690158
I see the patriarchy is rearing its ugly head again
>>53690196
Stan Brakhage exposes her in his essay published in Film at Wit's End. I'll try to find it.
>>53685525
saw this on campus cinematheque last wednesday
it wasn't until the ending when i started to ease into the rhythm of things, with the man being demanded to sing twice and then die but i'll be damned if it wasn't the most cryptic film i've seen yet
>>53690283
Whats wrong with it, anon?
>>53690361
Alright, cool, that'd be quite interesting to read actually.
>>53690426
Yeah, I felt similarly when I first watched it. Towards the end I started to warm up to its execution. I think I'l probably enjoy it more a second or third time viewing.
>>53685758
>>53685302
DUDE BLURRED MISE EN SCENE LMAO
>>53690513
>Soon she met and began working as a secretary for Katherine Dunham, who was to have a profound influence on the directions Deren's career would take. Dunham was a choreographer and an anthropologist who had founded an African American dance company. It was while working for Dunham in Los Angeles in 1941, where Deren lived with her mother (Deren's parents ultimately divorced), that she met Alexander Hammid; ten years Deren's senior, he became another influence on her career. Hammid (original name Hackenschmied) was a Czechoslovakian refugee who came to the United States to work as a motion picture photographer for "The March of Time" newsreels. Deren and Hammid were married in 1942 and it was he who provided the stimulus for Deren's filmic imagination. During this time, possibly at Hammid's suggestion, Deren changed her first name to Maya, the Sanskrit word for illusion.
>At the time of her marriage Deren was primarily a writer, with poetry, newspaper articles, short stories, and essays to her credit. One of her essays, written no doubt under the eye of Dunham, discussed religious possession in dancing—a theme that would later command her attention. In 1943 Solomon Deren died and left Deren a small inheritance with which she purchased a second-hand Bolex 16mm camera, which she and Hamid used to make the film Meshes in the Afternoon. While Meshes in the Afternoon is considered her first film by most film historians, filmmaker Stan Brakhage in his essay on Deren (published in Film at Wit's End ) discussed the idea that a study of the photography reveals it is primarily Hammid's film: "For all the unusual things that happen within the film, its whole style of photography betrays the slick, polished, penultimate craftsmanship of the old European sensibility for which Sasha [Hammid] was known." Nevertheless Brakhage does acknowledge "the real force of the film came from Maya herself."
Despite having to use a fuckload of intertitles to make its non-linear narrative structure work, this has to be one of the best silent films ever made.
>>53682306
i thought this was a tv series?
>>53690632
>Deren and Hammid moved to New York City where her electric personality really took off.Soon she was regularly screening Meshes in the Afternoon and lecturing the audience on independent filmmaking. This caused a natural friction with Hammid who felt he was being slighted. In 1943 Deren began another film, Witch's Cradle, but it remained unfinished. The most notable aspects of the film were that it was shot at an art gallery where a surrealist exhibition was taking place and that it included Marcel Duchamp. Deren followed up this attempt with the 15-minute film, At Land, which featured Deren herself on different landscapes: merticulously crawling on rocks, walking along what appears to be a cart path with a man who changes appearances. The film included brief appearances by poet and critic Parker Tyler, composer John Cage, and Hammid.
>In 1945 Deren and Hammid decided to make a second film together in which Hammid would take the lead in directing and filming. The result was the 30-minute The Private Life of a Cat. Here again Stan Brakhage, who was a friend and something of a protégé of Deren, disputes the claim of film historians who say that Deren's imput was minimal. However The Private Life of a Cat did not boost Hammid's reputation the way Meshes had lifted Deren's. Also in 1945 Deren made A Study in Choreography for Camera, a 2 1/2-minute film that featured choreographer Talley Beatty who was also credited as co-director.
Last Action Hero.
>>53690632
>>53690697
Not the article but it is mentioned. If that doesn't suffice you could always find the book I suppose.
>>53685681
It's brilliant. I liked Berberian Sound Studio but Burgundy is leagues ahead.
>>53690693
It's oddly both. It was broadcast as a mini-series but since then it has been shown at film festivals at its full length.
>>53688814
>El otro oficio
negative
>>53684906
For crying out loud... Fuck that film. Watch Babe instead, it's less pretentious and has a more poignant message.
>>53690770
>>53690697
>>53690632
This has been very interesting to read and actually has surprised me quite a bit. Thanks for sharing, anon, I do appreciate it.
>>53690799
Honestly it sounds like everything I want out of a film.
>>53684959
SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME SOMEWHERE I CAN FIND HD RIPS OF EDWARD YANG FILMS.
I FUCKING WANT TO KILL MYSELF.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT.
>>53690838
>>53690467
nothing's wrong with it per se, i haven't seen it since it was released so it's not fresh in my mind. but i wouldn't call it anywhere near 'patrician' or whatever the fuck.
How patrician is pre-Drive Refn?
>>53684837
*whistles*
>>53691015
Not at all. Sorry, anon.
>>53691015
I can't say, but the trilogy of pusher was awesome.
>>53690873
I haven't even seem many of the 60s euro erotic art films it draws from so if you know that stuff you'll probably like it even more.
>>53690697
>>53690632
how does this make her a fraud?
i'm not gonna say brakhage is unreliable becuz i don't know much of him outside his work, but this isn't even anything more than pithy scandal bullshit.
>>53691071
>>53691091
I've only seen Bronson and VR. Pusher trilogy looks great, though.
>>53691129
If you've seen Hammid's film you would notice the stark resemblance of Meshes in the Afternoon to his idiosyncratic aesthetic.
>>53691263
>Nevertheless Brakhage does acknowledge "the real force of the film came from Maya herself."
>>53691263
again, how does that make her a fraud?
or are we just all gonna follow whatever brakhage thinks?
>>53682098
I enjoy this film but isn't it somewhat out-dated? I mean, it focuses on italy's conservative views on sex during the 1960s. barely anyone thinks like this anymore
>>53690838
Bresson is the opposite of pretentious, just fuck off you disgusting pleb
Why are almost all films in this thread drama? Is it the easiest genre to make patricians films?
>>53691853
pretty much
>>53691853
Try this comedy. Alec Guinness plays 8 different characters.
>>53691853
I haven't really thought of it, honestly.
Here, have an example of patrician comedy. It's impossible not to smile and smirk while watching this.
>>53692054
This film is real fun. Also has quite an interesting ending that was changed fror the American release because MUHH CONFUSING.
>>53682080
>>53692054
This one is great
Also big up for Smart musicals like The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
>>53692067
You say patrician just because it's french and old..? Tati's Hulot character is a national icon.
