Who here is planning on watching the premier of the new TV Series '12 Monkeys' on Syfy tonight?
The movie is one of my all time favorites so naturally I'll have to watch the tv series. I hope it lives up to series like 'Bates Motel' which I absolutely love.
>>52545614
Oh and it comes on at 9 p.m. tonight eastern time.
>>52545614
>Series '12 Monkeys'
really? is gilliam involved?
Judging by the commercials I've seen, it looks like they're really deviating from the Gilliam movie. Still gonna check it out,
>>52545667
I'm not sure.
I heard really good things about this show on a TV podcast
>>52545667
Nope.
It's a full Syfy original series attempting to rape a pre-existing IP.
Just like they did with that series loosely based on Legion.
Why don't we all watch it together, and discuss it as we are watching it in this thread.
well they just jumped right in didn't they
And we're on.
I'm guessing this is gonna be the WW1 bullet?
should be a working stream if anyone wants one vaughnlive.tv/pimpbot5000
I'm liking it thus far, especially that bit with the watch.
Is this a mini series or is this going to be like an actual show with seasons and all like Hannibal and Bates Motel do with their respective movie inspirations.
>>52545614
Surprisingly well-done for a SyFy thing - I'm in.
>>52547444
It's surprisingly good.
>>52547431
Regular series.
>>52545614
They cast the perfect guy as Goines.
>SyFy
I watched the movie earlier today, to remind myself of what happened.
I'm going to check out the series tonight.
>>52547796
This is legit so far. I was worried this was gonna be another Flash Gordon myself. So far, it's been good.
Shit just got real.
hyped for hospital scenes
>>52547849
I shall keep my oddly translucent and multicolored mind open.
fuck, this show is triggering my time travel autism hard
>>52547990
Your autism time travels?
>>52547990
>getting all autist about time travel rules being unrealistic in a science fiction show
>implying anyone could even imagine what rules and repercussions would actually exist as a result of time travel
>>52547990
So I went up to his office, and do you know what I found out Mac, do you know...what I found out? THERE IS NO PEPE SILVIA, THERE NEVER WAS A PEPE SILVIA
>>52548053
but of course you can imagine it, that's what makes time travel autism so much fun
>>52545614
I wonder if the same thing happens when a person comes together with himself in the past.
does anyone else think that chick looks like a young nicole kidman?
>>52547990
Has Stephen Hawking ever commented on time travel, not just the possibility or the physics behind it but stuff like time paradoxes and the sort?
>>52545614
Plebulus Maximus
Yeah I like it. Dammit.
>>52548164
Yea now that you mention it she kind of does, she had an oddly familiar look to me. Maybe Tome cruise can marry her and have a second chance with a look-a-like Nicole.
>>52548164
i was thinking naomi watts but yes
>>52548229
Eyes Wide Shut Deux incoming...
>wearing the same jacket as Brad Pitt from the movie
Nice touch.
>>52548263
damn, those are some tasty muffs
Who else is gonna watch next week's episode at midnight?
>>52548263
>>52548164
Funny, because I thought she looked like a combination of both. A good thing.
>>52545614
>movie wrapped up things well enough
>no Terry Gilliam
>not like the movie
>SyFy
>>52548389
Yeah, I am.
The guy who plays Cole, what else is he in? Looks familiar.
>>52548438
I was skeptical myself, but it's good. Do not go in expecting the same thing as movie. It's taking the characters and lore from the movie, but telling its own story.
>>52548389
wut? how?
Oh man I'm loving this, I didn't expect it to be this good, damnit I want to see the next episode now!
>52548389
Wait what, next week's episode? huh?
>>52548507
Then why not make their own new IP instead of bandwagoning off an established name?
>>52548516
>>52548541
At midnight you can stream from the SyFy web site.
>>52548053
>they travel into the past
>they can't go back because the timeline has changed
>>52548583
Because 12 Monkeys is a known commodity that people already know and love. Built-in audience. Not going to lie, if this was called something else I wouldn't have even though twice about it. SyFy isn't exactly known for great programming. Although, it looks like they're trying to change that.
>>52545614
For those of who missed the first episode it comes back on again at 11 p.m. eastern time on Syfy.
One of Syfy's most popular program's is WWE Friday Night Smackdownthis was a Jeopardy clue today
>>52548681
>SyFy isn't exactly known for great programming.
They've, thankfully, been changing that, with shows like Helix and Ascension -- hell, even Z Nation is entertaining.
I'm glad they've gotten beyond showing Stargate and BG all fucking day.
>>52548593
Only on the website? Is it a one time thing online and then it plays again next Friday or what?
>>52548738
Smackdown is, actually, Syfy's highest-rated show in its history.
>>52548738
>WWE Friday Night Smackdown
Thats not even science fiction... that's sad.
>>52548593
i don't see anything about it on the website
>>52548764
It'll play at it's regular time next week as well.
>>52548862
I don't know. They mentioned it immediately following the show. Said at midnight the second episode will be available for a limited time.
>>52548922
Isnt that a stupid idea as far as getting people to tune in next week?
>>52548438
And this series doesn't hurt or affect the movie in any way. It's like fargo, doing its own thing with the same setting/idea
If you get upset just because it's different you're retarded, what would be the value in a direct remake
12 Monkeys without Gilliam is just an average time travel movie.
>>52549004
I always thought that but they must make up for it with the online views or something
Kinda like how showtime leaks it's season premieres for some shows every year, trying to drum up more hype for the series
>>52549053
Well I guess it's a good thing this is a tv series.
>>52549004
You'd think so, but it actually works somehow. GoT and Penny Dreadful both did the same thing and they turned out alright.
>>52549339
Weird, but what reason do people have to tune in next week?
Who is watching the rerun at 11 pm?
>>52549686
i will be. i'm getting drunk and playing guitar so i missed a few scenes the first time.
>>52549646
Most networks are starting to realize to pay attention to more than just ratings, they factor in time delayed viewing, and online viewing through official sources. It won't matter if they tune in next week or not. Also the way Nielsen ratings are calculated it won't affect their ratings unless someone with a Nielsen box watches the episode online and then doesn't tune in
>>52549646
To rewatch it because they liked it. It's that simple really.
>>52549686
Gonna watch the replay then at midnight catch next week's.
So they're putting the next episode on the syfy site at midnight? I'm not at home now and I wanted to watch it with the app on my phone but it's not up yet
Are they just going to update it at midnight with both episodes?
>>52550036
That's what they're saying.
>>52550036
that's what i've been wondering. of course, syfy has a shit website to begin with. when will these shitty framed flash sites go away? it's like an old myspace page.
Who's watching right now?
>>52549987
Rgggh I can't find my Directv member number, looks like I might miss it.
The 12 airing that is,
>>52550659
I'm sure it'll be up in the usual places not long after they put it up on the Syfy site.
Wow, they really cored the life out of the franchise.
This is so sad and limp.
> 5. How difficult is it to follow the time travel?
Matalas: It's not at all confusing. It always makes emotional sense at the very least. We've tested the time travel pretty hard with die-hard time travel fans and novices, and everybody's on board.
6. How does the time travel work?
Fickett: There's a big machine that sends him back in time, and there's a process, something that goes on inside Cole that brings him back to the future.
7. That seems rather imprecise. Can he go to the wrong place and time?
Matalas: Viewers, like the characters on the show, will be learning the rules of time travel as it goes along. This is the first time that everyone has done time travel, and they're not good at it. They're not good at time travel.
8. Can you actually change history?
Fickett: Time can be changed. That's something that wasn't true in the movie. It is true in our series.
and, dropped. if time can be changed in any way imaginable because of reasons then i'm out.
>implying 12 Monkeys didn't take all the interesting parts out of La Jetee
>>52550933
>La Jetee
Who?
>>52550925
So you didn't like Back to the Future, because they change the future?
>he's in grand mal
HURRRRRRRRRR USING 100% OF MY BRAIN
Sooo... Was the first episode good? Is it worth a watch?
>21 posters
>83 posts
Shill thread.
Where on the syfy website is the 2nd episode?
>>52551818
People are discussing a new show that just premiered numbnuts, naturally people interested are going to post more than once, if you don't like it fuck off to another thread.
Just finished watching it, I was surprised it wasn't terrible. The time travel rules are fantasy tier, but it set up an interesting mystery, and it was a pilot that didn't feel like it was shoving a bunch of exposition down my throat even though it gave me enough information to understand who everyone was and why they where doing shit
7/10 pilot
so is there a stream for ep 2stream?
>>52552247
I just refreshed the syfy app on my phone and the first and second eps are up. Check the website
>Continuum is only getting like 8 episodes more
>>52552235
The first and second or just the first, and I largely agree with you although I would up it to 7.5 or 8/10
I wonder why they made Jeffrey from the movie into a female... Jennifer...
I love the title of the second episode
>Mentally Divergent
I forgot that term used in the movie, but I love it.
>Don't mock me my friend. It's a condition of mental divergence. I find myself on the planet Ogo, part of an intellectual elite, preparing to subjugate the barbarian hordes on Pluto. But even though this is a totally convincing reality for me in every way, nevertheless Ogo is actually a construct of my psyche. I am mentally divergent, in that I am escaping certain unnamed realities that plague my life here. When I stop going there, I will be well.
>Are you also divergent, friend?
>>52552807
Just the first, I'm about to watch the second
>>52553066
that was probably my favorite scene in the movie.
>>52548209
He threw a party a few years ago that was open to all time travelers and when none appeared he concluded that time travel does not exist. Maybe in the future he's regarded as a bore to hang out with and no one wanted to break the news to him.
Is ep2 working for anyone? Every time I try to start it, it just freezes on the first frame and never loads
>>52545614
Obvious who unleashes the plague. That brown guy Goin was talkin up at the party. They cast some serious hotties. Hope that catches on cause both are 9/10's.
>>52553343
Or maybe in the future he's dead?
Or maybe the invitation for the party wasn't taken in much consideration so in the future when people invented time travel machines no one remembered about his proposal?
why are people talking about the second episode? what? where are you seeing this
also the pilot was surprisingly good, I could see it on Showtime or FX or something.
>>52553684
It's on Syfys website and their app for the next 24 hours
It's not playing for me atm though, I'm gonna wait a little and try again
>>52553710
Update, just checked after I posted and it seems to be working now
my cable password isnt working
guess ill just wait for a torrent of the 2nd episode
>>52548151
>comes together with himself
GAY
>>52545614
Couldn't make it more than three minutes in. Terrible.
>>52553937
I'm not sure if that's considered gay, probably some kind of extreme narcissism
Then again I used to know a guy who said he didn't masturbate because jerking yourself was gay.
>>52554040
That's like reading the first sentence of a book you know nothing about and then saying its a shitty book
Also the first few minutes are the worst, cold just comes off kind of weird and aggressive until he meets her again and starts explaining shit
>>52553889
IS IT UP YET
GODDDDD
VERIZON YOU SUCK
>>52554120
>it was up and working
>decided to fap before I watched it
>now it's not working again
This fucking struggle
>>52554087
It's the opening of the pilot. They know their job is to be gripping. They fucked that up.
>>52554572
you're supposed to give the entire pilot a go before dropping a series, not the first few minutes, that's just lunacy
mixed feelings.
better than most SyFy shit (seriously how did Helix get renewed?), but I can't un-see the movie, so I have a feeling I'm going to be all "but that's wrong!" about all of the different shit from the show.
>>52553342
Haha me too.
>>52554141
Haha what were you fapping to friend?
>>52554704
>watching Ancient Aliens
>this guy pops up
>lose my shit because I decide he's that guy from Twelve Monkeys
>>52552865
probably to make it easier to keep it separate so people aren't whining about someone not measuring up to pitt which would be impossible anyways
>>52554087
An author that lacks the skill to grab you in the first sentence must be writing a textbook.
This might as hell have been a pilot for a Cable movie, stepping away from Gilliam's crafted worldscape and the fatalist nature of the movie results in time travel milquetoast.
>>52553530
mine was stuck on the loading screen as well
>>52553530
>Is ep2 working for anyone?
It is working fine for me
Typed in my Directv password and everything is playing fine.
>>52553343
Wait, you mean no nuts showed up to the party in hobo clothing claiming to be from da future, before asking where the booze was? How is that possible?
>>52554754
are you high
you're using words like milquetoast - milk on your toast? seriously? - and it's only been one episode. The world was competently established and clearly set itself apart from the movie, not wanting to repeat it (which was a remake itself), but being heavily inspired and influenced by it a la the critically acclaimed Fargo TV series.
>>52554820
he threw the party and then sent out the invitations
for all we know he didnt even do it
I hope to God they put the character Louie in the tv series, I loved him so much from the movies
>Louie: Why would I pull out my teeth, Bob? That's a no no.
>Louie: You sure fucked up!
>James Cole: Where are you?
>Louie: Ah, you can talk!
>James Cole: My name's not Bob.
>Unknown: Not a prob, Bob. Where'd they send you?
>James Cole: Where are you?
>Unknown: Another cell. Maybe.
>James Cole: What do you mean " maybe" What's that supposed to mean?
>Unknown: Maybe means...maybe I'm in the next cell. Another volunteer like you. Or maybe I'm in the Central Office... spying on ya for all those science bozos. Or, hey... maybe I'm not even here. Maybe I'm just in your head. No way to confirm anything.
>>52554844
You're obviously conversing with someone with a superior vocabulary. And although it's not a crime not to know what milquetoast means, one would assume you'd have the sense or at the very least the curiosity to google it instead of making yourself look like a run-of-the-mill pleb.
>>52545614
Did any of you ever read the notion that James Cole's initials JC are supposed to be a reference to Jesus Christ, as in James is the savior for the future?
>>52555033
>milquetoast
Different anon here, but I always thought it was spelled milktoast.
>jennifer
DROPPED
>>52555037
That's a pretty common device, like John Connor and John Coffey.
>>52554844
Fargo actually had things going for it, it looked good and it had characters capable of standing out.
SyFy Cole didn't have any of the emotional punch of Willis' Cole when he found himself immersed in world pre-collapse. You could sympathize with how disparate and terribly lifeless the future was when Willis became enraptured by a simple thing as music. TV Cole gave us "Mmm, cheeseburger."
>>52555033
i was making a joke because he didn't even use the word right, milquetoast is an adjective used about a person, you can't apply it to time travel. He may as well have said milk toast and conveyed the same information.
>>52555086
>not giving the best example
>>52555076
Say what?
>>52555189
hes mad about the gender swap
>>52555152
What a douche.
Just finished the second ep. They're setting up a lot of mysteries and they've got me a little hooked, crazy girl was cool but seemed a little cliche, the whole make the person with all the answers crazy so even when she tries to give the answers it's in riddles or she's mentally blocked the important info, but I can look past that if they start answering some questions soon
My main concern right now is in the first two episodes we've met two bad guys that say they met cole in their past, his future, meaning his future is already played out. So if he was going to stop the outbreak he would've already stopped it
My theory right now on the endgame of the show is that somehow through his tie traveling shenanigans he is a major factor in the creation of the 12 monkeys and causes the plague, and when they realize this he will probably have to go back in time to kill himself before he goes back in the first place, to stop the whole chain of events
Just a theory though
>>52555150
>milquetoast is an adjective used about a person
Rapidly correcting your mistake through the use of online dictionaries doesn't exactly make you come off as witty. Milquetoast can be used in relation to anything and if there's anything worthy of criticism about the poster, it's putting the word after time travel. Although upon re-reading it does sound a lot better the way he put it.
>>52555300
im not mad, its corny
why "jennifer"? they could have went with kim or something, its just bad writing.
>>52555365
I'm not involved in the milk toast argument, I'd never even heard the word before
But I looked it up and the first two words in the definition are "a person"
That kind of proves you wrong and him right. But hey if arguing about definitions and grammar gets you all hot and bothered go ahead and continue
>>52555375
You getting hung up on a name is retarded, her name has nothing to do with the quality of the show. There are real criticisms to be made, you don't need a good reason to dislike the show, but as far as reasons go that's a shitty complaint.
is there anywhere to watch the 2nd ep beside their site?
>>52555490
its poorly constructed with sloppy writing and questionable acting. the name was just the last straw
get salty
>>52555512
It will probably be up wherever you pirate your stuff by tomorrow morning. There isn't any other official place to watch it though
Do you have to sign in with your TV provider to watch it? I had to sign in to watch the first ep using their live stream with their app, but I wasn't signed in when I watched the second one
>>52555375
Kim is a better name than Jennifer? what planet are you from. Plus I think they wanted to stick with the J name to go along with Jeffrey.
>Mfw not watching a show because of a name
>>52550925
He goes to the wrong place and time in ep2 and ep1 proves he can change the future. He demonstrated that with scratching the watch.
>>52551488
Yeah its sweet! Just watched the first two episodes.
>>52555610
>Plus I think they wanted to stick with the J name to go along with Jeffrey.
congratulations, you figured it out. if this doesnt make you groan, i dont know what will
>>52555536
Not salty at all. The writing could be better, especially with that old bitch in the future, she really had no logical reason to be at odds with cold, by her own logic of he is destined by fate then he shouldn't be able to fuck up the girls timeline
Cole comes off as a bit one dimensional but even in the second ep he's starting to show some growth, albeit minimal.
Cassandra getting a lead on where cole is at in the second episode just thrown into her lap was kind of sloppy too, but I think the girl that plays her is doing a really great job, Im liking her a lot more than I thought I would and it's not just because she's pretty.
>>52552865
They are both so hot so its like is he gonna bang her? Oh shit is he gonna bang her?
They should have got Charlie to play Cole.
>>52555660
there is a second ep?
>>52555653
Is the only reason you and other people watched it and or knew of it because of this thread?
>>52555678
They could make him gay and have him bang Cassandra's guy friend, wouldn't that be something?
I want to see a version of 12 Monkeys where Gary Busey plays James Cole.
>>52555730
Nah I was flippin and saw 12 Monkeys coming up and it was only an hour so I was like WTF!? After watching it it said ep2 at midnight on ON DEMAND so watched it. Specifically sought out this thread cause figured it would be here being a new show in all.
>>52555706
Have you even glanced at the thread? The second episode is up on syfys website and their app
>>52555787
lmao
>>52555730
Naw, I heard about the show a few months back and was interested because syfy is finally getting back into making science fiction shows instead of shit like warehouse 13 and ghost hunters
Then I saw when they posted the first 9 minutes, and heard a lot of positive things from critics who got to see the first 8 episodes a few weeks back.
>just found episode 2 on my on demand menu
okay that old guy with the yellow teeth and the flowers. they're going to have him be from some alternate timeline/future or whatever, aren't they? there's no way SyFy can avoid that in a time travel show.
especially since they can't just use the ending of the movie, so they gotta have a tweest.
>>52555945
Well at the end of the episode he runs into cole and says that they've met before, and insinuates that cole gave him the scar on his cheek
It's pretty clear I think that he's one of the 12 monkeys, assuming it actually is a group of 12 bad guys
>The pilot is being written by Terry Matalas and Travis Fickett, who had written for the series Terra Nova.
oh god there's going to be an old sailboat in the desert isn't there
>>52545614
So out of all the movies that inspired tv series which one does /tv/ think is the best (let me know if I'm forgetting any)?
>Bates Motel
>Fargo
>Hannibal
>12 Monkeys
So far I really like 12 Monkeys but I still think it is far too early for me to make a definitive call on it.
But for me the best of those so far has got to be
>Bates Motel
>>52545614
This was fucking painful to watch.
>>52556128
And I meant in recent time, not years back.
>>52555945
Yeah my 6th sense picked up on that too. Like he was another guy sent back in time. Thought it was cool that he was one of the bad guys from Last Action Hero. The crazy guy with the yellow rain coat and ax.
>>52556128
Hannibal is amazing! This show is really cool though.
>>52556148
There is worse.Actually I didn't know it premiered already, and because I'm a masochist, time to find out how much worse.
>>52556128
12 Monkeys is the best movie of that lot, Fargo is the best series.
Wouldn't it be fun if in this 12 Monkeys James Cole is his own father, like he has a relationship with Cassandra and she has Cole as her child? That would be interesting.
>>52556312>>52556128
I'd say Monkeys was the best movie and Bates Motel is the best series.
>>52556128
Rosemary's Baby, Constantine, maybe more. I have yet to watch those though.
>>52556306
Don't listen to that anon, he's full of shit and has bad taste. He's probably the type who would hate it no matter what, because it happens to be based on a film.
I was just happy that in the first episode when Leland said some shit about paradox cole didn't look at the camera and smile and say "good thing I'm immune to paradox" and wink
>>52555787
I never knew Gary Busey suffered a head injury back in 1988, just read that now.
>>52556442
and now I want there to be a series based on Contact, because a Busey was in that.
>>52556365
Constantine is based on the comic, not the movie
But I still don't watch it because it just had to be a fucking network procedural and they can't let him smoke, but the kind of gruesome shit they show on Hannibal is ok for network TV...
>>52556480
I knew it was a comic but I figured the reason the show was greenlit was because of the movie. Would be cool if they said it was based on the comics specifically though.
>A tagline originally suggested for this film was; "The future is in the hands of a man who has none." This was considered to be a confusing tagline, as it made it sound as though he had no hands, as opposed to having no future.
now I want to see a movie or show about a time-traveler with no hands who has to save the future.
>>52546642
Legion wasn't that bad compared to the source material.
>>52556385
Seriously? Is this a meme? The acting was horrible, I couldn't even finish the pilot. Or are we lowering our expectations because it's a SyFy show? I for one am not wasting another minute of my life on this trash.
>>52556530
It is specifically based on the comics, it probably wouldn't have been popular enough for a show without the movie, but they draw their source material from the comics, they didn't just watch the movie and then make up shit based on that. Afaik the characters and demons in the show are all either from the comics or adapted in some form or another from the comics
>>52556592
And this is why in 2016 we will be back to ghost hunter reruns 24/7
>>52545614
> that rule 34 brad pitt
>>52556306
It was pretty good for a TV show, especially one on SyFy. Unless you only bother watching the greatest TV series of all times, this show is certainly passable by any standard of quality. As said, the acting is off, but it doesn't have any great faults.
>>52548495
he was also in breaking bad
>>52556785
rule 63 you mean.
>>52556788
>Unless you only bother watching the greatest TV series of all time
Like what?
>>52556796
I never liked Breaking Bad, I would say this definitely blows Breaking Bad out of the water and into the toilet bowl where it belongs.
>>52556796
no he wasnt he was Pyro from X2
>>52545614
I wonder if the 12 Monkeys as a group will be more insidious in this version....
