MAN OF STEEL (2013)
>Warner Bros Pictures greenlit the reboot in order to retain the rights to certain aspects of the character during the legal battle with the heirs of Superman's creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Several directors and writers pitched their ideas for the story, among them Mark Millar, who advocated for a six movie sage chronicling Superman's entire life from his birth to his death, tentatively directed by Matthew Vaughn.
>Millar envisioned the first movie set entirely in Krypton and ending with Kal-El's rocket ship crash-landing in Smallville, Kansas; and the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did. As it becomes red, stripping Superman of his powers, Superman embraces death and perishes when the Sun explodes and consumes the Earth.
>David S. Goyer created a concept for a modern, realistic approach on Superman while mapping out the plot of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES with Christopher Nolan, who then advocated in his favor with WB, leading to Goyer being selected as the writer. Nolan's brother and collaborator Jonathan Nolan was initially expected to direct the movie, but declined as he felt the project was too risky for his directorial debut.
>Ben Affleck was approached to direct the movie, but declined.
>Matt Reeves, Duncan Jones and Jonathan Liebesman were the frontrunners to direct the movie before Zack Snyder was hired. Darren Aronofsky was in advanced talks beforehand, but WB parted ways with him because he requested to revise Goyer's draft to his liking, and it required a bigger timetable than WB could afford in order to retain the rights.
>Although Goyer is the only credited writer, Snyder's collaborator Kurt Johnstad reportedly heavily doctored the script based on Snyder's notes.
These threads are always fun
>>71498592
The final movie sounds like it would've been the best capeshit movie ever made surpassed only by maybe something like unbreakable
>In early drafts, the war on Krypton was longer, including a segment in which Zod besieges Jor-El's observatory with robotic hounds, which are fought off by Kelex in a massive combat exoskeleton.
>In early drafts, Zod would unleash Faora and Nam-Ek upon China and the Middle East, respectively, and they'd level entire cities as a demonstration of Zod's power.
>In early drafts, Zod would be exiled to the Phantom Zone alongside his men, but Snyder and Goyer believed that having Superman be forced to kill him would be a more effective ending as it'd evidence the origin of Superman's no-kill rule. Nolan initially objected to the idea of killing Zod, but Snyder and Goyer ultimately persuaded him.
>WB executives initially objected to the idea of Lois Lane finding out Superman's identity early as, as they believed the Lois-Clark-Superman dynamic was important to the mythos, but Goyer advocated that it be removed as it was not fitting for a modern setting.
>Rough cuts began with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet and developed the narrative through three interlocked sets of flashbacks, one in Krypton, one of Clark's childhood, and one of Clark's adulthood and transformation into Superman. Audiences found this confusing, so the Krypton segments were condensed into a prologue, the childhood flashbacks were trimmed, and the narrative was made linear.
>Snyder originally envisioned an after-credits scene where a shipment of Kryptonite would be delivered to Wayne Manor, but Nolan convinced him it was unnecessary.
>you will never get the most kino sexalogy ever
>Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Colin O'Donoghue and Armie Hammer auditioned for the role of Superman before Henry Cavill was cast. Snyder favored Manganiello, but he couldn't commit due to scheduling conflicts with TRUE BLOOD.
>Cavill had been cast as Superman once before in SUPERMAN: FLYBY, a reboot written by J.J. Abrams and directed by McG, set to be released in 2004, that was ultimately scrapped due to creative differences between the studio and the director. The cast also included Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen, Christopher Walken as Perry White, Robert Downey Jr. as Lex Luthor, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El and Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
>Anne Hathaway was offered the role of Lois Lane, but declined in favor of playing Catwoman in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Emmy Rossum, Charlotte Riley, Dianna Agron, Margot Robbie, Alexis Knapp, Kaya Scodelario, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Kristen Bell, Lake Bell and Mila Kunis all auditoned before the role came down to Olivia Wilde and Amy Adams, who was ultimately hired. Adams had previously auditioned for the role of Lois in SUPERMAN: FLYBY.
>Daniel Day-Lewis was heavily pursued to play Jor-El, but declined. Sean Penn and Clive Owen were also considered.
>Connie Nielsen was originally slated to play Lara Lor-Van, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was briefly replaced by Julia Ormond, who also dropped out, leading to Aylet Zurer being cast.
>Bruce Greenwood, Dennis Quaid, Michael Biehn and Kurt Russell were considered for Jonathan Kent before Kevin Costner was cast.
>Julianne Moore, Jodie Foster, Sela Ward and Elisabeth Shue were considered for Martha Kent before Diane Lane was cast.
>Diane Kruger, Rosamund Pike, Kate Mara and Gal Gadot were considered for Faora before Antje Traue was cast. Snyder favored Gadot, but she couldn't commit due to her pregnancy.
>Viggo Mortensen was heavily pursued to play General Zod, but declined, and Michael Shannon was cast.
>>71498592
dodged a bullet
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (2016)
>Warner Bros Pictures originally greenlit a direct sequel to MAN OF STEEL, written by Goyer and directed by Snyder. The project was later retooled into a crossover between Superman and Batman as part of WB's ongoing effort to launch their own cinematic universe to rival Marvel's. During the brief period in which it was MAN OF STEEL 2, Snyder had plans to use Lex Luthor and Metallo as the antagonists.
>Josh Brolin and Ben Affleck were offered the role of Batman, but both declined. Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Scott Adkins, Max Martini and Richard Armitage auditioned for the role before Affleck later reconsidered and brought along his contributor Chris Terrio to rewrite Goyer's script, which he was not satisfied with, requiring the movie to be delayed from summer 2015 to early 2016 to accomodate the rewrites.
>Early drafts ended with Batman assembling the Justice League, with Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg making brief appearances as a team, but the idea was later scrapped in favor of detailing the formation of the Justice League in their own movie.
>Early drafts included an appearance by the Joker, which was scrapped once the character was slated to appear in SUICIDE SQUAD.
>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for the role of Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
>Joaquin Phoenix was heavily pursued to play Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen, as Snyder planned to cast a well-known actor in the role so the audience would be surprised when the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths.
>Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him that it was necessary to the development of the DCEU. Early drafts featured Superman leaving Earth rather than sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday.
>Adam Driver auditioned for the role of Barry Allen before Ezra Miller was cast.
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
SUICIDE SQUAD (2016)
>Oprah Winfrey and Octavia Spencer were approached to play Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.
>Tom Hardy was originally cast as Rick Flagg, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts with THE REVENANT. Jake Gyllenhall, Joel Edgerton, Luke Evans and Jon Bernthal auditioned for the role before Joel Kinnaman was cast.
>Jai Courtney auditioned for the role of Deadshot before being cast as Boomerang.
>Cara Delevigne auditioned for the role of Harley Quinn before being cast as the Enchantress.
>In 2011, WB planned to launch a standalone SUICIDE SQUAD movie written by Justin Marks, centered on the team being assembled by the United States government to stop a group of meta-human terrorists known as "The Onslaught" from rescuing their leader, a living weapon of mass destruction known as "Cobalt". The team was comprised of Deadshot, Boomerang, Vixen, Mindboggler, Javali, Multiplex and Blockbuster, and led by Rick Flagg and Amanda Waller.
>Although the project was scrapped, there were plans to cast Jason Statham as Deadshot and Zoe Saldana as Vixen, with CCH Pounder playing Waller, whom she had previously voiced in JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITIED.
WONDER WOMAN (2017)
>Angelina Jolie, Kathryn Bigelow, Catherine Hardwicke, Mimi Leder, Karyn Kusama, Julie Taymor and Tricia Brock were considered to direct WONDER WOMAN before Michelle McLaren was cast. However, she dropped out due to creative differences and was replaced by Patty Jenkins.
>Liam Hemsworth and Alexander Skarsgard were considered for the role of Steve Trevor.
>Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman were offered the role of Queen Hyppolita, but declined.
>>71500160
>Angelina Jolie, Kathryn Bigelow, Catherine Hardwicke, Mimi Leder, Karyn Kusama, Julie Taymor and Tricia Brock
Literally all of them, with the exception of Bigelow would would have rejected it, are terrible.
JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017)
>JUSTICE LEAGUE was originally envisioned as a two-parter, with both installments directed by Zack Snyder, and with the same overall tone of BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, but the movie's overwhelmingly negative reception and disappointing performance at the box office led to plans being changed into one movie, with a lighter and more upbeat tone, although the movie reportedly still sets up a direct sequel.
>Gugu Mbatha-Raw was linked to the role of Mera in JUSTICE LEAGUE before Amber Heard was cast.
>Alona Tal and Abbey Lee Kershaw have been linked to the role of Black Canary in JUSTICE LEAGUE.
THE FLASH (2018)
>Phil Lord & Chris Miller were slated to write and direct THE FLASH, but dropped out in favor of STAR WARS: HAN SOLO, writing only a story, with Seth Grahame-Smith taking over writing and directing duties. Smith later dropped out due to creative differences and has been replaced by Rick Famuyiga.
AQUAMAN (2018)
>Jeff Nichols and Noam Munro were considered to direct AQUAMAN before James Wan was hired. Nichols also reportedly wrote a version of the script, but it was scrapped in favor of a draft penned by Kurt Johnstad.
Wasnt there a 4 hours cut of Man of Steel that was more brutal?
>>71500559
Would it get you hard if I said yes?
>>71500230
Patty Jenkins was a good choice desu. She is very good at getting great performances.
>>71500602
Ya, Jenkins is good, I know, but I'm talking about the people they original choose.
>>71500599
With those dubs whatever you say would make me hard
>>71499053
>Snyder favored Manganiello
I really don't see it
he's got the physique for it though
>>71500559
No.
Sounds like Snyder saved Man of Steel from being a Green Lantern level disaster into just being a regular disappointment instead,
>>71500823
>Man of Steel
>Disappointment
Pick one faggot
>>71500815
Talking about BvS with the editor
>So what was once a nearly four hour cut with absolutely everything was ridiculous – ended up being about a three hour cut, once all these added storylines were refined with the fat was cut out.
>HULLFISH: Wow. Four hours.
> I remember being a little worried. Three and a half hours, okay, that’s fine for a movie of this size, the way Zack likes to work. This was more daunting. But we cut down “Man of Steel” from about 3 and half hours, I knew we’d get this done.
>>71498813
>>In early drafts, Zod would unleash Faora and Nam-Ek upon China and the Middle East, respectively, and they'd level entire cities as a demonstration of Zod's power.
Jesus Christ. Could you imagine the absolute SJW butthurt devastation as little Muhammed is roasted alive in Faora's heatray? Or as an entire dormitory of little Asian schoolgirls is leveled when Nam-Ex throws an 18 wheeler through it?
Would Hollywood have been burned to the ground?
>>71501252
Man of Steel should have been rated R
Woulda been glorious
the only thing wrong with man of steel was STOP INVINCIBLE SON and the muted color palette, it's beautiful without it
>>71501374
4K HDR version coming out will be super bright and colorful
It's not that the movie is muted, its that all our TVs are too shit to see it's true color gamut
>>71501374
STOP INVINCIBLE SON was not a mistake.
He just made the Mr Kent human. Pa Kent was wrong. People sometimes are wrong. After all he is a fucking farmer. He is not a politician or analyst that knows how the fuck people would react to Superman.
If anything BvS proves Pa Kent right in his short sighted vision of the world.
Pa Kent is just a good guy, doing wrongly what he thinks he is best. He even sacrifices his life to maintain that mistake. He wasnt a bullshiter or a fucking hypocarit. He believed in his mistake until his last breath. He died thinking he was protecting his son. Sure, maybe he wasnt, but I think to die in vain believing you are doing something good is beautiful in some way.
>>71501578
zack, pls go
>>71499604
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
>>71498592
>the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did. As it becomes red, stripping Superman of his powers, Superman embraces death and perishes when the Sun explodes and consumes the Earth.
This is kino. I want the DCEU to end like this or with an All-Star Superman adaptation.
>>71502204
If Snyder is still there it will finish like that. 100% sure.
>>71499823
>Jake Gyllenhall, Joel Edgerton, Luke Evans and Jon Bernthal auditioned for the role before Joel Kinnaman was cast.
fire whoever the fuck casted this movie
>>71502197
>FANT4STIC flopped, freeing him of his contract
>Avoided the DCEU sinking ship
>Now in the MCU with his homeboy Ryan Coogler
He won in the end.
>>71500440
>Gugu Mbatha-Raw was linked to the role of Mera in JUSTICE LEAGUE before Amber Heard was cast.
Thank Fuck.
sounds pretty good but MoS was amazing anyway.
>>71501529
So the extra colors are some kind of metaphor, beavo snyder, bravo.
>>71502197
thank god
>>71499823
>CCH Pounder playing Waller, whom she had previously voiced in JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITIED.
GODDAMN IT WHY SHE'S PERFECT
>>71502427
you can literally fix it in MPC-HC, looked really good too.
>>71502359
who is he going to be in the MCU ?
>>71502324
>Jake Gyllenhall, Luke Evans and Jon Bernthal
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
why are they making so many weird choices with this movie?
>>71502204
Snyder will continue to elevate DC into the Kinosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94R-jSMz3o
>>71502204
Doesn't Superman age like a normal human?
>>71499451
>Emily Ratajkowski
I would be fine if they put her in everything
>>71502687
No. Sometimes he live like 300 years (like in batman beyond where he looks like 45 years old), sometimes he lives hundreds of million years to see the sun dying.
His lifespan is probably 1000 years normally but once he gets supercharged by centuries of yellow sun he can probably reach million years.
>>71498592
>Darren Aronofsky
i really think he could add to what they have right now
a lot of the wb directs desu
>>71500160
>>71500160
>Only considered women to direct
>>71498813
>>Rough cuts began with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet and developed the narrative through three interlocked sets of flashbacks, one in Krypton, one of Clark's childhood, and one of Clark's adulthood and transformation into Superman. Audiences found this confusing, so the Krypton segments were condensed into a prologue, the childhood flashbacks were trimmed, and the narrative was made linear.
fucking idiots who prevent others from having nice things FUCKKkkkkk
>>71502204
Jesus, there's a lot of bad science in that short passage. Is that deliberate? I don't read comics.
>>71500160
>Julie Taymore
That's not a name I expected to see up there
>>71498813
>Rough cuts began with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet and developed the narrative through three interlocked sets of flashbacks, one in Krypton, one of Clark's childhood, and one of Clark's adulthood and transformation into Superman. Audiences found this confusing, so the Krypton segments were condensed into a prologue, the childhood flashbacks were trimmed, and the narrative was made linear.
wait was this change at the script stage or in the final edit? this explains why the movie has such a weird sense of storytelling
>>71502324
>>71502621
honestly i prefer saving those actors for better opportunites
so in other words MoS would have been a better movieI still kinda like it but BvS is JUST tier bad
>>71498592
>could've had Dunca, Liebesman, or Aronofsky
>instead we got Hack Snyder
Colbert just 'translated' the title of DC's new summer flick
>>71503246
>that fridge will never store your meats and cheeses
JDIMSA
>>71503060
If this is true, I'm glad she was considered. She was my pick desu.
>>71499604
>Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death
This reminds me of all the suggestions that Nolan gave Zack for Man of Steel, yet he refused all of them and the movie was worse because of it.
>>71503352
>all the suggestions that Nolan gave Zack
spill the details branon
>>71503352
you mean better
Nolan makes really dumb decisions, the writing is almost always the worst part of his movies.
>>71503352
The script was literally handed from Nolan to Snyder
and the only thing Snyder changed was killing Zod
lol. what if I told you I worked in WB at time BM v. SM was being developed, and while they were trying to attach Nolan as a producer just to give it credibility.
What if I told you that Nolan's notes on Goyer's final draft of BM v. SM began with "I have contempt for this."
Of course, I don't expect to be believed, bc such is the fun of 4chan. But that is the truth. Even Tsujihara read Goyer's final draft and realized how shitty it was, which was when they went into panic mode (4 months before shooting was set to begin) and how Affleck got to bring in his own writer.
If people knew just how bad a writer Goyer is (and what a grating personality he has, right back to the time he had to pay a bunch of bikers to keep Wesley Snipes from beating his ass on set of the one shitty movie he directed) I wonder how people would feel about him?
>>71503892
Nolan is the fucking moron who enlisted Goyer to begin with on Man of Steel.
>>71503892
it's weird that you take an anti goyer angle when its common knowledge that he's not popular here
unless you're really willing to be a white rabbit the "oh, no one will believe me!" play just detracts from the bait
>>71503574
No, it wasn't.
>>71504131
goyer wrote it on a whim while working tdkr after which he showed it to nolan who then got it made
>>71504131
>Nolan is the fucking moron who enlisted Goyer to begin with on Man of Steel.
I'm telling you what was written on the page. I know, it won't be believed, which is the fun of here, bc no one would actually believe someone who shitposts here worked under Snyder.
But those were his words, will never forget them. "I have contempt for this..."
I've never been here before. If Goyer is hated, it's for good reason and it's amazing that slime can spread all the way to people who have never encountered him.
Never had any bad experiences w. Terrio, but Goyer is...neither a nice nor a talented person. Take it as you will.
>>71504448
assuming you arent shitposting, how different is the final terrio draft vs the original goyer one
>>71499604
>Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him that it was necessary to the development of the DCEU
Just how persuasive is that fucker?
>>71498592
Truly the worst film I've seen
>>71504542
this. BvS feels enough like a Frankenstein of a script, what made me like MoS over it was that at least MoS felt consistent throughout
>>71504542
Light years. Not even the same movie. I think it ended up going to WGA for an arbitration (royalties involved...yes, I know, still use term royalties) and Goyer won simply bc he has been around a lot longer, despite Terrio having I think an award from them.
Was just watching movie over again. Snyder threw in/took out so many things....the man cannot read the tone of a script, and I suspect Affleck was too stressed with his marriage breakdown to set him straight.
Just one thing I noticed....in Terrio's original I saw (I mentioned this is another thread), after Clark jumps into bath with lois, the next morning, there was meant to be a shot of an old woman with a flooded bathroom and a cat lapping up water.
I don't work for Snyder anymore, but still work in industry so really can't say as much as I'd like, other than that he took what could have been a great movie and...seriously detracted from it.
As did the Studio, trying to set up f--king 19 movie on the back of this one. Snyder is a great visuals guy, but he cannot handle a movie with dialogue by a serious writer.
As per "Argo," terrio know to write like a director; i.e., "just follow what is on the page..." Still like the movie, hoping next one, with NO Goyer at all, will be better.
>>71499451
Matt Damon as Luthor would be fucking funny
>>71504885
I can't see it.
>>71504542
I'll add, Goyer's draft just made no sense. Terrio is the Harvard Eng. Lit major, so anything deep, anything of substance in there is Terrio (just like anything of substance in "Dark Knight" series was Nolan...Goyer does not think in terms of French Revolution metaphors).
I don't know how much they're going to change JL-part 1, put I do know Terrio does not want to write part 2, as he initially did, so I can only speculate.
How they ended up with Snyder directing these...he just doesn't have intellectual depth of someone like Nolan.
>>71504752
The tone is fairly consistent in the UC, aside from the Justice League teasers. It's unavoidable that stuff will be cut though.
If there was even more to Terrio's script and the film is already 3 hours...I mean small details like the one you mentioned are nice (ties in to the whole consequences theme) but are easy to decide to remove.
anything else you can spill?
>>71504975
>anything else you can spill?
I have all the drafts in a box somewhere, will go through this weekend and see how much I can give away without Snyder potentially figuring out who I am and blackballing.
When I say different tone, I mean it was an entire...for example Goyer never even dealt with the fallout from the destruction, he just went on as if nothing had happened.
Making Gotham and Metropolis sister cities joined by a ferry? That was also terrio, not in Goyer's script at all.
If they didn't like what Terrio came up with, they were going to ask Aaron Sorkin to write it, BTW.
I'll look, see if I can add anything without giving myself away to Snyder (on the unlikely chance this ever got to him) and being blackballed...
>>71504935
This whole undertaking began because WB NEEDED to make a Superman movie to keep the rights for themselves. It had less to do with Marvel, the timing just worked out that way.
>>71505144
If you are for real. Dont bother going that far, dont put your shit in jeopardy.
Ill just ask one last question
So if the final draft was pretty much all terrio, who do you point the finger at for the theatrical cut's reception, and what do you think of the Ultimate Cut?
>>71500958
Man of Steel sure was a letdown.
>>71505203
Which is why, when Snyder finally realized Goyer's script was garbage after both Nolan and Tsujihara said so, he handed in to Terrio sometime around Nov 20th and needed a first draft by early Jan.
lol, poor bastard worked literally non-stop to get a draft in, and then Goyer took him to the WGA arbiter and took half the money and credit anyway.
>>71505144
if we post throw away emails, is there any chance you can send shit?
for what it's worth, *I* promise silence
>>71502484
He's the villain in Black panther.
>>71505230
>Ultimate Cut
The UC is a lot better than theatrical because at least it gives a lot of the backstory you'd not have had otherwise, ad for real fans it's great because both my boss Snyder and Terrio really sought attention to detail and for comic book fans.
As far as the theatrical release...I like the guy (not all that fond of his wife), but ultimate responsibility was with him to stand up to the studio and demand either it be done in 2 parts or just run a full 3 hours (which of course no one wants bc it cuts down on number of times the film can be shown and so everyone loses money).
As far as Super-hero movies go, other than "Dark Knight Rises," it's my favorite. A lot could have been done differently, didn't get first choice of actors...I'm tempted to blame an elitist circle of "critics" (who, as recent events have shown in the UK, media elites don't know as much as they think they do).
Hard to pass judgement when you were involved. No longer work under Synder, so I'll be able to evaluate next one more honestly. and with that, should probably shut my mouth and hope people enjoy the UC...
>>71505292
Why did they let him write BVS then?
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/
do you have any idea how much justice league has changed? any more non identifying details? like, shit bro, fuck around w your vernacular
>>71505549
I'd argue its up to him to make the film a proper runtime. Rather than forcing a 3 hour film.
>>71505804
Seems like that would have required a complete revamp of Terrio's script
>>71505804
nothing wrong with three hours
>>71505549
Thanks for the stories anon, real or not
Here's to hoping Terrio's JL script is not butchered and another Snyder Kino is born
>>71505804
Some of the most universally loved movies run for about three hours. Scarface, The Godfather, Titanic runs for over 3 hours, so does Lawrence of Arabia, Ben-Hur too.
>>71499053
>Kate Mara
>Faora
>>71499451
>Matt Damon as Lex Luthor
Surprised no one has fan casted this, because it's actually perfect.
>>71502204
>All-Star Superman adaptation
Boring as fudge. Why do people love this arc again?
>>71506318
nostalgia goggles, the successive exemplary bits of superman history, enough drama to be engaging.
people equate it as a 'definitive' when its usual morrison meta shit
also, its one of the few things they've read
>>71506068
As if Snyder could make a film remotely as impactful as the golden age of cinema.
>>71506652
He just did
>>71506219
He's not menacing enough and Damon always half smiles showing his teeth when he reads lines.
Philip Seymour Hoffman would've been the perfect Lex. Physique or not.
>>71499053
>Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen, Christopher Walken as Perry White, Robert Downey Jr. as Lex Luthor, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El and Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
>>71499451
>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for the role of Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
What the fuck is wrong with these producers? Why the fuck did they insist on Wonder Woman being an eastern skeleton? Have they even seen what Wonder Woman actually looks like?
>>71506875
But nobody wants a Wonder WOMAN when you can have Wonder Gal!
>>71500602
Good luck getting one out of Gadot. She could barely speak English in BvS.
>>71502687
No, he only gets stronger the more he stays under a yellow sun. In Kingdom Come he had become several times stronger and immune to Kryptonite.
>>71505869
People have lives.
>>71506064
>Thanks for the stories anon, real or not
That's the fun of this board, isn't it? You're either getting inside information no one else has, or it could the rantings of a lunatic and a failure of medication.
re: "make a film with proper run time," I agree, but that's a lot easier to do when as the film is being made, the executives aren't at the same time making up their timeline for when "wonderwoman," "aquaman," etc.. will be released, and you have to set up a viable template for that all those make sense.
Much as I might not care for for Snyder's work, I think there is recognition that in the position he was in, was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
Imagine, for instance, getting a call "The Wonderwoman team wants to start off their film with X...can you set up Y?"
Now try to fit all of this into a normal run time...
>>71507051
What kind of life doesn't have room for three hours on a movie? Working 18 hours a day in the acid mines?
>>71506875
Literally all those chicks have similar body frames to Gadot.
>>71507084
This. If you don't have time fucking wait until you do, don't ruin it for other people for retarded made up reasons.
>>71506944
>Good luck getting one out of Gado
Gadot did not work at all. In the party scene, the entire room was meant to be full of "Supermodel" types but she had just some ineffable quality that drew Bruce's gaze in on her...she didn't have it, neither the looks nor talent.
How she is to carry an entire movie, I don't know.
>bvs could have been a lot better if snyder had just followed terrios cues
whyyy can'tttt weeee haveee niceee thingssss
>>71507238
who could? really?i fucking swear to god, if anyone starts dropping those names..
risky thing to say, but, its much easier to find tall good looking men and make them look good ie cavill, affleck than find some absolute tall beauty to fill in those shoes
those casting options are absolutely pitiful though
>>71507346
The UC is already more patrician than every single capeshit since Watchmen
At some point some things have to get lost in the edit, it is what it is.
>>71503574
>and the only thing Snyder changed was the one thing that got the most criticism
kek
>>71507531
>one of the reasons the movie is still debated even 3 years later
Snyder knew what he was doing
>>71507444
no they don't, that bit up above about the water and the cat is really fucking clever and could have easily fit, even in the UC
it makes you wonder how much of terrio's script didn't make it, which if i had to guess would be tons of little bits that convey ideas while also providing whatever emotion called for
and yeah, watchmen is one of the best comic book adaptations, cape or otherwise
>>71507564
on 4chan where 99% of the people are doing it ironically
>But Snyder persuaded...
Yup, holding one's wife and children at gunpoint is certainly effective persuasion.
>>71507571
It's a scene that sounds great on a conceptual level and how it symbolizes one of the film's main dilemmas.
But you have to look at the whole picture and how these scenes are edited in the UC. Where in UC you have the Clark and Lois scene, tender loving, moving on to Bruce Wayne brooding in his Batcave, giving us a contrast of what these two guys' life are like. The whole scene with the old lady would just feel completely out of place in terms of flow.
Oh, another thing I'll say, then really better shut up. In Goyer's draft, spraypainted on the statue was "Fascist," not "False God" because Terrio brought in the whole idea of "Demons don't from below, they come from the sky..." etc...
If it makes you feel any better, if they had done it as Goyer had it, you'd have had lines like "He's kinda hot" but even more cringe...
>>71507768
okay, i didn't remember that. redacted then
fucking old lady cat laugh moment straight into bruce wayne
>>71507872
then literally everything i've 'praised' and interpreted in the movie came from him
damn.
i really really really hope terrio didn't get fucked in justice league
>>71503055
The fuck are you talking about
>>71499823
I thought the guy playing Boomerang was Tom Hardy for the longest time
>>71502324
I like Joel Kinnaman tbqh
>>71499053
>Olivia Wilde
Honestly, they should have gone with Olivia for lois. Amy Adams is getting too old and it's starting to show.
>>71503892
This is bullshit but I believe it.
>>71507926
>fucking old lady cat laugh moment straight into bruce wayne
As it worked out, that was how it came together in editing I'm trying to recall scene that was meant to come after cat licking water that leaked through old lady's ceiling, was a lot more in keeping with tone.
also, there would have been a longer opening in desert but the original shoot in Algeria was cancelled due to terrorism there and moved to New Mexico.
The switch from Supes saving Lois to Senator demanding he be "held accountable" wasn't meant to come so quickly.
Again, raises issue of who to blame-- should Snyder have been able to squeeze all this into a normal running time or should they have made it 2 parts, or should they have made it something like "Godfather" with an intermission?
From what I've seen, reviews on UC have been almost universally positive. Hopefully will encourage them to let JL- part 1 run longer...
>>71508580
She's like fine wine. But not good for the role.
Both her and Cavil are miscast.
>>71508904
It's a script thing. It clearly demanded a humongous runtime while at the same time is clearly not structured or written to allow for it to be split in two.
The answer honestly seems like its:
-Script too big and ambitious, but clearly written as one movie
-WB wanting teasers for JL
-Snyder having to condense all this in one movie
-Can only do it in 3 hours
-Editing the movie further can only result in ruining the story, flow and character beats
-WB wins and movie is cut to 150 min.
Luckily Snyder was able to release his longer cut.
>>71498669
No they aren't, they're depressing as fuck to read of what could've been.
>>71508904
well the nairomi incident, with its extended length and focus on what happened and its aftermath into a smooth transition into the testimony was pretty good
in fact so many of the transitions are smooth, there's just enough silence in the transitions between scenes to process events into whatever is coming up
which raises one of if not the main 'problem' of the movie; the audiences' inability to track information on the screen, ie who knows what at what time (including themselves) and claiming "plothole" because of their own hindsight and whenever anything is not explicitly shown onscreen
people complained for having to think about implications
one of the things i admire about the movie is how it had a balance between the shit thats happening and the little bits of information that are dropped here and there that doesn't happen onscreen
in regards to length, the movie excited me because i totally saw the possibility for a fully imaginative epic movie, i see the potential for a truly grand and operatic experience
>>71499053
>The cast also included Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen, Christopher Walken as Perry White, Robert Downey Jr. as Lex Luthor, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El and Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
I'm actually happy this didn't happen, what a shit cast.
>>71508980
I don't know. don't claim to have been anything more than a cog in Snyder's operation, but it necessitated me having access to all drafts at times (all had to be watermarked w, my name and kept in a safe, btw) and keeping mouth closed (until movie opened).
Goyer (whose shitbag rep. proceeds him) had a long time to work on this. What he gave in was shit, and was essentially MOS 2 with Batman just sort of thrown is an afterthought with no real cohesion between an entire city being wrecked and no consequences. It was left to terrio to fix all the big narrative disconnects as best as possible.
also, in goyer's version, Metropolis and Gotham were not "sister cities" across a bay from one another. So much of his script was just bizarro-land cringe (e.g.,vthe opening desert hostage scenes consisted of lines where lois taunted the kidnapper w. things like "if you knew who my boyfriend was, you might not want to do this..." the thought that he got half monies and half credit for it seems fundamentally unfair.
Even seeing it again just today for 1st time (am working on another project), I do NOT think a 24% on RT is in any way justified. I hope it becomes biggest selling Blueray of all time just to drive home how useless critics are these days, slaves to PC fashion of the moment.
>>71499451
>Bryan Cranston were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
Fuck you Snyder you piece of shit
>>71509202
To be fair, a 5/10 for the theatrical cut seems fair to me. I liked the UE but it really reminded me how fundamentally broken the theatrical cut was, like paying for a puzzle and 1/6 of the pieces are missing. It's truly unacceptable.
>>71498813
>Nam-Ek
kek
very fitting reference
>>71509202
>if you knew who my boyfriend was, you might not want to do this...
that's hilarious
really, who were/are the people vying 'against' you guys in the next level of 'management'
who was down with this and who wasn't? ie causing the cuts
>>71509431
eh...wish I could get into it, but probably already have myself in trouble. For now, people here may take some satisfaction that people who work(ed) directly w. Snyder are shitposters on this board, and have been since age 15 (at least in my case).
Have a bunch of great stories m80, but if I got any more specific re: "Mr Snyder and his Produceress" wife, might be too easy to identify me and to blackball my ass.
In a way, feel somewhat safe bc out of ~300,000 shitposters here (many of them Brits), I could just be another, delusional shitposter.
On the other hand, al least "one of us" has some influence, however small it may be, here and potentially some of this board's influence made it's way indirectly into movie.
Long night of drinking lads. Gonna get some sleep. Please buy this f--king blueray to make a point that no one listens to the "critics" lodged high in their nests in Beaconsfield. (I get no dosh no matter how well it sells, but nice to teach "critics" and "elites" yet another lesson and what people think of their "expertise")
night lads (know it was a good night when you are turning in at noon!)
>>71509979
d d d deepest lore, the reach of kino knows no bounds
nice having you here mr quixano
>>71502359
>DCEU
>sinking ship
The movie got shat on by critics and made 872 mill on name recognition alone. Could you imagine if that shit was actually good. DC has rhe biggest names in comics and when they finally figure out how to make these movies right their gonna ass rape marvel, because the heroes everybody knows of are getting movies.
>>71510105
>nice having you here mr quixano
it's precisely people like you who make it safe for me to post this sort of stuff here here.
Thank you. :) Of course, I'm completely delusional and everything I've written is pure fantasy.
cheers.
>>71508980
The longer cut sucks too though.
>>71507108
I think that's his point. Why were they only looking for those brown-eyed, skinny eastern girls?
>>71510435
>brown-eyed, skinny eastern girls?
Gadot got the part because even though she's a Jewess, she could easily be mistaken for a Turk, Italian, Greek, etc...
They wanted to add an element of diversity without going black African. In addition, she had to have a sort of exotic appeal to merge with the myth of the Amazonians and being an Ancient Princess.
>>71499451
>Get approached for a role
>Act like a cunt
>Have the entire script and a whole character changed just to fit the fact you're a cunt and make you part of the main cast
Jews have magical mind control powers nowq
>>71510656
>Gadot got the part because even though she's a Jewess, she could easily be mistaken for a Turk, Italian, Greek, etc...
> They wanted to add an element of diversity without going black African. In addition, she had to have a sort of exotic appeal to merge with the myth of the Amazonians and being an Ancient Princess.
Which is complete bullshit since the there are straight up Caucasian americans in other amazon roles, you're talking out of your ass.
I really like the Ultimate cut. Zack Snyder together with who did the editing has great sense of time and editing to patch together a film that flows so well together in such long running time.
As a person that has never touched a Superman or Batman comic this film was easy to follow and understand (UC, don't know about TC)
>>71500440
>Gugu Mbatha-Raw
What kinda name you want senpai?
>>71500440
>with a lighter and more upbeat tone
poor Zakc
>>71510875
>you're talking out of your ass.
Correct, I'm talking out my ass and was not privy to any of the working behind the scenes as the casting was going on.
Esp. given that it was truly finalized during the week of national mourning for St. Nelson of the Necklace and there was serious pressure to make her a Black American.
I know nothing, I'm talking out my arse. Clearly, you know exactly how it happened.
>>71510193
Zack, please.
>>71511831
which of the two russo brothers are you?
>>71512575
no
fucking
consolewars
>>71511831
>>71512575
These are terribly unfunny, unoriginal comebacks.
>>71512758
I'm no DCfag. but, thought it was russo brothers shitposting and spewing venom on Zack.
>>71498592
>Millar envisioned the first movie set entirely in Krypton and ending with Kal-El's rocket ship crash-landing in Smallville, Kansas; and the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did
Holy fuck that would have been amazing
>>71501252
>you
>reading comprehension
>>71499604
>>Adam Driver auditioned for the role of Barry Allen before Ezra Miller was cast.
Dodged a bullet here
>>71510966
Why they chose someone skinny, almost anorexic to play a Amazon warrior?
I can't understand anything she says
after 100 years she still have an accent?
C'mon...
>>71510193
Did it profit tho?
>>71512960
Superman still in earth after 5 billion years, really? In 5 billion years, humans would have evolved significantly and developed technology to leave. And it's not like Superman would stay if no one else was there.
Also our sun is too small to supernova.
>>71514742
Superman would still be fucked tho, Earth would posibly be swallowed, and he would have no way to escape
>>71499823
>Jakey G, Joel Edgerton, and SHANE auditioned for the role of Rick Flagg
damn son
>>71514816
Superman can fly in space just fine
>>71516544
Depends on the continuity.
