what does /tv/ think
>Disney indoctrinated a generation of manchildren and the company has them by the balls
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436732/finding-dory-political-indoctrination-pixar
>>71052335
>‘There are no walls in the ocean” goes the concluding moral of Finding Dory, the latest social message from what can be considered the Disney Doctrine.
>But what about nature’s great barrier reef, the one known as Taste?
>Disney’s “happiest-place-in-the-world” corporate philosophy appears to tie in with current open-borders politics. (The better to welcome theme-park visitors, my dear.) The studio’s popular multimedia productions The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Lion King, and Frozen have led the diversity trend for so long that Disney’s frivolous yet ideologically loaded entertainment has influenced what many people now perceive as simply the way animated films ought to be made and consumed –as youth indoctrination.
>>71052440
>In Finding Dory, a sequel to the 2003 blockbuster Finding Nemo, Dory, a blue tang surgeonfish, can’t recall how to get home. With help from her best friend, Nemo, an orange-and-white-striped percula clownfish, she journeys to find her way back to her well-meaning but ineffectual parents. It’s the usual, tiring Pixar formula, but now an element of modern grimness, patterned after the dystopian Wall-E (2008), has been added. It’s a grim cuteness — as in the dimply sound that Ellen DeGeneres uses in voicing the role of Dory: “I suffer from short-term remembery loss,” she gurgles at the beginning.
>One’s taste for messaging and for mawkishness will determine one’s response to Finding Dory. Although the specter of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease haunts this Pixar fish tank — especially in the nagging irritation that it all has been seen before — Finding Dory is relatively innocuous. And innocuousness is the problem. Dory and her water-dwelling friends learn about ecological coexistence while venturing through aquatic wilds and eventually into the Marine Life Institute of California. (This includes a maritime exhibit using action-movie heroine Sigourney Weaver as a docent.) But Finding Dory is aggressively innocuous, like the Toy Story films. Fears of orphanhood, bereavement, and social helplessness are raised only to be easily pacified. For anyone who is not a legally bound babysitter, Finding Dory offers nothing that will please a taste for finer humor, freer fun, or genuinely expressive filmmaking.
Looks like a cheap fucking cash in honestly.
Finding Nemo was good because of the Father/Son dynamic, Marlin was a good lead.
Dory is a stupid comic relief and the weakest part of that movie, that she's the star of the sequel is stupid.
It would be like making a sequel to Frozen and having it be about the stupid Snowman.
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ELEN DEGENERATE and her movie SUCK.
>>71052530
>Once again, it’s time to rethink the impact of Pixarism — the veneration-of-family movie formula that too many people think is just dandy — as a corruption of movie taste. Directors Andrew Stanton and Angus MacLane offer an aquarium rainbow of colors and tickling, wavy ocean-current imagery that must make the digital animators very proud, but these technological feats are tied to an overly cute moral simplification. Dory’s search for her mother and father is a transparent metaphor for our era’s bewilderment about family and identity. Dory declares that her pals Nemo, his father, Marlin, an anxious, amputated octopus (called a “septapus”), and other helpful anthropomorphic creatures are “more than friends — they’re family!” This doesn’t just mean camaraderie; it transforms ideas of orthodox family structure.
>The modern family in Finding Dory corresponds to contemporary social circumstances; it forsakes blood ties and shared history for new social allegiances. Curiously, it intermixes ideas of traditional marriage with ideas of social independence and individual sustenance (omnisexual sustenance through Ellen DeGeneres’s prepubescent vocals). This modern asexual view is just as sentimental as old-fashioned allegiance to the basic two-parent heterosexual social unit.
>Disney’s masterpieces from the Forties and Fifties, such as Pinocchio, Dumbo, and Bambi, offered richer alternative visions, in which individual protagonists learned from family separation and tragedy. Finding Dory, by contrast, feels tendentious. It encourages audiences to see themselves as part of a sociological construct outside of the traditional family. My main problem is that this is achieved by putting viewers through the politically correct wringer.
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>old man yells at cloud.jpg
>>71052613
>There’s constant manipulation of sentiment in Finding Dory, but without reflection. A crucial part of the Disney Doctrine is to normalize social (and family) dysfunction. Dory herself symbolizes displacement and spiritual dislocation. She’s not just a fish-out-of-water — despite being mostly in water. She’s an existential victim. (One of her non-familial friends is a near-sighted whale shark named Destiny.)
>In his classic 1976 study of fairy tales, The Uses of Enchantment, psychologist-scholar Bruno Bettelheim explained: “The fairy story ends with the hero returning, or being returned, to the real world, much better able to master life.” Pixar has commandeered this template. It pretends to help audiences “gain emotional maturity,” as Bettelheim advised, yet Finding Dory — like all Pixar films — mainly teaches viewers immaturity and emotional dependence on Disney/Pixar product.
>Animation doesn’t have to be as formulaic as Finding Dory. In the 1960s DePatie–Freleng cartoon series Roland and Rattfink — newly released by Kino on Blu-Ray DVDs — the conflicts between the two men symbolized political difference (unlike Finding Dory’s communalism and implicit socialism). Their battles allowed for sharp rhetoric and antic graphics. Roland and Rattfink reminds one that animation’s original appeal came from its surreal rendering of the irrational — of a wonder, fear, and delight that goes beyond photographic realism. Finding Dory’s faux realism (the fish look like plastic when they emerge from water) replaces conventional animation artistry with a new taste for something less than wonderful. The Disney Doctrine advocates personal politics through obvious patronizing and adorableness.
>>71052633
this. Seriously dude no ones reading ur fucking greentext
>>71052203
It was the definition of meh. Tried way to hard to be emotional and was over stupid at a lot of points. Perhaps the limits set by animation technologie at the time of finding nemo were a good thing as when the octopus starts driving the car, I knew they had gone to far. That being said I liked the side characters, especially Hank the octopus.
It's a shame this movie will be viewed as better than Monsters University, which is actually a really solid and funny follow up to the first film.
>>71052857
I really liked the ending to Monsters University. That it straight up says "You don't have to go to college" to reach your dreams is a nice message for the many kids who are either too poor to afford it or fucked up in high school.
Countries like Japan where kids kill themselves for not getting accepted into the right Universities need to have MU replayed daily.
>>71052203
Is there a Chinese telecine yet?
>>71052991
Even though you slightly misread the message i still appreciate the sentiment (as yes thats also a part of it).
The bigger picture is they straight up say sometimes you can really really want something and try your best but you just might not be good enough. Which is pretty fucking ballsy for a kids film. Dunno why that film got reviewed so poorly, it's way better than finding dory.
>>71053037
ugh, my normiebook has been filled with statuses like this.
>>71052335
Pretty much this.
I was going to post it.
I'm proud of you /tv/, first post best post.
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>>71052335
samefagging this hard
>>71053655
t. /v/edditor board tourist here for the got shit
>>71053726
nah man, its just very obvious. stop greentexting the article, your first post has a good enough quote for people to read it.
>>71053197
>Dunno why that film got reviewed so poorly, it's way better than finding dory.
Probably because it didn't overuse Pixar's trademark emotional manipulation that critics lap up like, from what I've heard, Dory does.
It's gotten to the point where if a Pixar film makes reviewers tear up at one scene they'll immediately forgo any issues (and really the rest of the film) and proclaim it to be a masterpiece.
>>71054311
They overuse it like crazy, and the worse part is, it's actually done well in Monsters Uni.
I thought it was really good, actually. The plot was pretty repetitive near the end but the new characters were actually charming and there were a few genuinely funny moments
>>71053375
It's true though.
Speaking as a self-hating millennial, Disney/Pixar has infantilized my generation and is merely reaping the rewards of it -- where movies are judged solely on 'le emotions' instead of actual, technical merit, quality, and originality.
It's another reason why I believe Zootopia was made, at least in part, to create a new generation of furries.Speaking as a furfag myself, this concerns me since I don't want kids to succumb to the same degeneracy, but since furries are often massive Disneyfags who will throw their money at the house of mouse for their whole lives it is profitable for Disney to turn kids towards it at an early age.
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>>71052653
please please shut the fuck up i beg of you, nobody cares, nobody took the time to read all this
>>71054468
Well, I did for one, and I thought it raised some interesting points that I hadn't completely considered myself.
>>71054356
That's why I'll always prefer earlier Pixar like 'Incredibles' up until 'Ratatouille' -- after that they became an insufferably pretentious and oscar-baiting company.
Brad Bird is the best writer/director Pixar has had because he tells stories and doesn't hammer you over the head with emotional bullshit.
Andrew Stanton started good, but seems to have succumbed to the emotional manipulation.
Pete Doctor is literally the worst offender as his movies represent the epitome of 'le emotional' Pixar. For fucks sake he last directed a movie where fucking emotions were the main characters -- he's not even being subtle about it.
>>71054468
Awwww, what's the matter? Sad that not everyone is on the Pixar train?
Upset that someone might not see them through rose-colored glasses?
>>71054468
>please please shut the fuck up i beg of you
yeah, like ell oh ell
STFU op, you just dont get it, like at all.
>>71054589
No it's just that no one cares. No one in their right mind would take the time to read all of that pretentious horseshit. It's a children's movie, please fuck off with your pseudo-intelligentsia mindset
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ELEN DEGENERATE and her movie SUCK.
>>71055048
>it's a children's movei
But... but anon, I hear people always saying that Pixar films are 'artistic masterpieces'. I thought Pixar didn't make cartoons, they 'made films that are animated'.
I thought Pixar was supposed to be more than children's movies but actual masterpieces -- at least that's what all the critics tell me.
whaleshark a cute
>>71055048
>It's a children's movie
then why do you ask /tv/ for their opinions on this propaganda flick for kiddys?
You do know that you have to be over 18 to post here, right?
Or do you admit that you're just a manchild that wants his infantile opinion to be agreed with?
are you sad that /tv/ is not the echo chamber you want it to be?
>>71052203
I heard good things, but I'll pass. It just feels like a useless retread of a genuinely good movie.
>>71055153
Finding Dory is an artistic masterpiece? If you can cite one specific example of someone calling it that, please tell me. It's an entertaining children's flick, and it's quite obvious that it was made as a cash grab. I wouldn't compare it to some of their other animated movies at all. That's what we're talking about here, isn't it? Finding Dory? Let's not change the subject next time.
>>71055205
I didn't ask /tv/ for their opinions you stupid fuck, I'm not OP.
>you have to be 18 to post here
cute meme, anon
>>71055519
>companies do not have an agenda
>pushing narratives is a conspiracy theory
wew
>>71055255
You will come Oscar time when all the online pundits and critics start calling for it to win the Oscar over more deserving films.
>>71052203
Don't even feel like watching this at all really.
>>71054423
Just because a movie has anthropomorphic animals doesn't mean the creators are trying to turn children into furries.
>>71058469
No of course not...
The nude scene and the teaser trailer going into deep definition over the term 'anthropomorphism' followed by the tagline 'it isn't like anything you've seen beFUR' do.
I still loved the movie, but sorry if I'm a little dubious about Disney's agenda.
>>71053037
Why is it cool to 'rant' in nigger speak and to obsess over children shit?
>>71059632
You mean like /tv/ does?
>>71059733
>You mean like /tv/ does?
This place is pretty bad but at least most people here own up to being pathetic man-children. I'm more annoyed about how this shit has leaked into the mainstream. Its cool to be a wigger man-child now.
I'm sure there's sjw women are jesus bullshit in it, i'm just sure of it
>>71052440
>>‘There are no walls in the ocean” goes the concluding moral of Finding Dory, the latest social message from what can be considered the Disney Doctrine.
>But what about nature’s great barrier reef, the one known as Taste?
top kek
Armond is a fucking madman
>>71059944
>I'm sure there's sjw women are jesus bullshit in it, i'm just sure of it
Women regularly fight trained, male warriors and kick their shit in. Even when the women are borderline anorexic.
>>71059996
I'm just glad there's one critic that sees through Pixar's bullshit, even if he is a contrarian.
>>71052203
it was decent...
However, the plot of "finding my long-lost parents" was done much better in the kino that is Joe Dirt.
>>71052533
I was thinking this same thing before I saw it.
I think they knew this, because there was an obvious effort to rectify it.
The voice acting for Dory was toned down a lot from the first movie.
The character dynamic of the first movie was pretty much equal parts Marlin learning to trust his son, and Nemo learning to take action by himself despite what others think of him. This movie just takes the second part and replaces Nemo with Dory. The whole movie feels afraid of going into new territory, which is a trend for pretty much every Pixar movie that comes out these days.
>>71058469
Of course not, but the sexy, half-naked tiger background dancers might.
I have a lot of problems with this movie, but the biggest one by far is how they travel the ENTIRE PACIFIC OCEAN in about a two minute long scene.
When in the first movie it took the duration of the runtime to swim down the coast of Australia.
