What went so horribly wrong?
>>69810354
Rushed production
Three movies instead of two
Hallmark filter
Certified CGI shitfest
Should have been only two installments
Guillermo del Toro was meant to direct, but dropped out at the last minute to direct Pacific Rim. Peter Jackson, who was meant to only produce, got swept in at the last minute and had to work with del Toro's vision while trying to make his own film, with very little time to prepare.
That's why a lot of the props and set look so much more fantastical than the gritty-realism of LoTR, del Taco likes weird shit and it clashed with Jackson's obsession of technology.
I actually feel quite bad for Jackson, when he made LoTR he had 10 years to prepare, he wrote 9 different scripts before the final trilogy, he knew the story inside and out, he spent more time researching Middle Earth than anyone since Tolkein, and ended up making the best fantasy films of all time.
He had none of that luxury with The Hobbit, the studios fucked him over, in his production diary videos you can see he's trying to make an effort but his heart just isn't in it. He actually issued an apology a couple years ago about not being able to do more.
Anyway, the first Hobbit isn't even that bad, it's just the last two that are pieces of shit, he didn't do a full Lucas
>>69810479
this.
>>69810634
go to bed Peter.
>>69810634
>Anyway, the first Hobbit isn't even that bad, it's just the last two that are pieces of shit, he didn't do a full Lucas
first one was just a more boring version of The Fellowship of the Ring though.
>>69810634
That pretty much sums it up. There isn't anything else to add.
There is a decent film in there which could be carved out with some editing.
>>69810479
>>69810512
Honestly even two movies seems unnecessary.
>>69810354
Nothing
it's better than the Ring trilogy
>>69810354
nothing. you'd struggle to find more than 10 good fantasy movies in existence and this qualifies as one of them. just.
>>69810690
that has to be the shittiest bait i've ever seen
>>69810675
But not abysmal like the third movie
>>69810354
Not THAT much, to be honest. The tone was always going to be lighter because of the different source material.
The only rerally terrible change is Tauriel, who is so obviously just crowbarred in to the story as a stronk womyn and for the stupid Dwarfeo and and Julielf romance.
I thougth some bits of all three -especially the first one - were actually great. Freeman, Armitage and McKellen were all brilliant, too.
>>69810634
The There And Back Again fan edit took all the good parts and made a dwcent 3 hour film that follows the book more closely.
>>69810354
Nothing, Hobbit trilogy is one of my all time favorite cinema, I'm a certified hobbithead if you excuse the expression
Only two sections in all three films that I recall as being not shit or a boring rehash of LOTR
1. First meeting with Golum
2. Arrival at Lake Town
These were the only scenes worthy of the originals, strong tension in the Gollum scene, and that sense of arriving in a new fantasy location with its own music theme at lake town.
the this guy shows up
>he's a funnier character than we've had before.
>>69810751
forgot the image
> Alfrid DickLicker has more screentime and dialog than Bilbo.
this fucker was Peter Jacksons addition and nothing to to with Del Toro.
remove this shit and the movie becomes bearable.
>>69810751
You forgot Bilbo meeting Smaug
Smaug was fucking great though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SWMmxGiwgQ
>>69810808
yeah I did. That was a well done scene as well.
>>69810690
>There are probably edgy contrarians who believe this
It was bound to happen eventually. They're probably the same people who defend the SW prequel trilogy and Batman v Superman.
its a shame because they got all the book parts spot on. its just lost underneath the 5 hours of filler bullshit
still waiting for a fan edit that isnt a mess.
>>69810903
there is a 4-hours edit, I thought it was pretty good.
google "maple the hobbit"
>>69810687
2 movies seems fair for The Hobbit.
1st movie consists of recruiting Bilbo and the Journey to the mountain.
2nd movie consists of introducing Laketown(and not make it and its citizens into cartoon characters), journeying into the mountain, confronting Smaug, Smaugs attack on lakedown and death and Bilbo returning to the shire.
The whole battle with the orcs was barely even in the books so you can just gloss over it like the book did.
>>69810903
Its called there and back again. Created by david killstein
>>69810971
This one isn't as good
>>69810687
Nah, the book may be short, but that's because it's written very differently and much simpler than LotR.
Greed. Straying too far from the source material. Trying to make everything uneccessarily "cool" and over-the-top. Not using actual midgets.
>>69810634
I genuinely enjoyed the first movie except for that elf woman. Ending speech is touching and the main theme / song is very catchy. Then I was so disappointed with the second movie I didn't even bother with the third. such a waste
>>69810354
Unnecessary third part, with the Battle of Five Armies being a boring, long ride. Instead of being fought by the goblins themselves (to avenge the Great Goblin), it's a yet another Sauron plot. The orcish armor and tech looks more modern than anything Isengard and Minas Morgul ever produced.
>>69811061
That sounds like a good idea, getting rid of the battle of five armies.
We can still keep Thorins greed as a theme. It was already developed during their during to the mountain. Once Smaug goes, the main antagonist and one of the more interesting characters is gone.
>>69810903
this one is ok
http://homework.never-ends.net/hobbitedit/
The real reason why its so shit is becasue it was made by Hollywood.
The LOTR movies were made in NZ by people not connected or loosely connected to Hollywood.
No one really thought it would be much of a success so they didn't care.
But they new The Hobbit would be popular so they made sure to get their hooks into it and make it their way.(you know who im talking about)
>>69810354
Almost everything
Look at the behind the scenes of LOTR everyone is putting in their all and loving being apart of it
The Hobbit has a picture of one of the LOTR cast crying
>>69811520
Are you talking about the Jews?
>>69811520
>No one really thought it would be much of a success so they didn't care.
It was the most expensive movie at it's time.
IF you read the book, the movies are fucking amazing and I love them. dunno what the flak is aboot.
only saw the first one, but every single problem was solved by gandalfs magic
Is there potential for more middle earth films or does the Tolkien estate have everything other than LOTR and Hobbit locked down?
>>69811814
How does reading the book help you enjoy the movies?
>>69811814
If you read the book and have no problem with this adaption your opinion doesn't really matter because you'll just eat up whatever shit Hollywood serves you anyway.
>>69810354
Should have been two movies instead of three.
Should have had no Legolas or female elf.
Should have stuck to the source material.
>>69810634
>I actually feel quite bad for Jackson
Feeling sorry for a hack
Did anyone post this yet?
>>69812505
I used to defend Legolas' antics before the Hobbit.
>>69810354
Tried to stretch one story into three parts.
Had to pad for time by adding so much stupid shit that was never in any of the books and cameos of characters who had no reason to be there at all.
Having CGI effects just for the sake of having them when they served absolutely no purpose (the Earth Eaters)
>"Before they started shooting, back in 2008, one of the producers did ask if I would be interested," the actor told The Guardian. "I said, 'You do know, don't you, that Aragorn isn't in The Hobbit? That there is a 60-year gap between the books?'"
Based Viggo.
>>69811814
No, if you've read the book, the movie is disgusting
Book
>Great Goblin: "Up to no good, I'll warrant! ...Murderers, and friends of Elves, not unlikely!"
>Thorin: (politely) "Of the things which you suspect and imagine we had no idea at all. We sheltered from a storm in what seemed a convenient cave, and unused; nothing was further from our thoughts than inconveniencing goblins in any way whatever."
>GG: "Might I ask what you were doing...where you were coming from, where you were going to? ...Not that it will do you much good, Thorin Oakenshield, I know too much about your folk already; but let's have the truth, or I will prepare something particularly uncomfortable for you!"
>Thorin: "We were on a journey to visit our relatives...who live on the East side of these truly hospitable mountains."
>goblin: "He is a liar, O truly tremendous one! Several of our people were struck by lightning in the cave...dead as stones. Also he has not explained this!" (shows Thorin's sword)
Movie
>GG: "What are you doing in these parts?"
>(dwarves defiantly silent)
>GG: "...if they will not talk, we'll make them squawk! Bring out the Mangler! Bring out the Bone Breaker! Bring out the cock vices! Start with the youngest."
>Thorin: (angrily) "Wait."
>GG: "Well, well, well... Thorin...King under the Mountain. Oh, but...you don't have a mountain. And you're not a king. Which makes you nobody, really."
>(Thorin stares broodingly)
>GG: "I know someone who'd pay a pretty price for your head. Maybe you've heard of him, a Pale Orc (©) astride a White Warg."
>Thorin: (in disbelief) "Azog the Defiler was destroyed... He was slain in battle long ago!"
>GG: "So you think his defiling days are done, do you?" (laughs)
>(GG dances and sings lustily as torture instruments are brought out)
>>69812949
Why do they change great dialogue when it's already written?
Too.
Fuckin.
Long.
>>69812505
jesus christ
>>69812505
Legolas is so stupidly OP.
>>69812505
It's so dense
faggy nerdy drinking songs:: the movie
opinions on this scene
>>69813302
Movies have really gotten bad, haven't they?
>>69813302
its a movie about magic rings and ancient dragons you faglords
>>69810354
>>69810634
PJ was never really interested in the Hobbit but he loves Tolkien so he produced and chose Del Toro to make it happen. The studio wanted PJ because he was guaranteed money in the bank but at the same time they were being sued by PJ because of the financial fuckery they pulled on him after LotR. Del Toro was promised a three year production window so he moved his family and entire life to new Zealand and got to work. After two years of work and two years of fighting with the studio at every turn they told him they needed to bump the production time up to SIX years. He was tired of fighting with the studio and didn't want to dedicate the better part of a decade of his creative life to one project so he left.
They yanked Del Toro's chain and fucked around with him until PJ's lawsuit was settled and then they essentially forced him out by giving him the choice of wasting six years on one project he wasn't actually wanted on or quitting. With Del Toro gone and production set to start in four months PJ stepped back in because he knew the movie wouldn't be made if he didn't. The studio got exactly what they wanted and we got a half baked Hobbit series with four months of pre-production as opposed to LotR's three years.
Thanks New Line!
https://youtu.be/SQkygZdZ_Vk
>>69813302
The funniest scene in the whole trilogy.
Are they even using that HFR anymore?
>>69813350
we may have gone too far in some places
>>69810354
This >>69810479
Although 1 movie should've been more than enough. There never really was much going on in the story so huge chunks of the movies are just boring filler to make up for their length.
Also shit actor for Bilbo. I didn't care for him at all.
They also went really overboard on the CGI this time around.
>>69813302
Tolkien died for this
>>69812505
I thought this was going to be the one where he jumps up the falling stones. But holy fuck. I've never see these movies and despite everything I've read on this board it looks worse than I imagined.
>>69811255
Poor guy looks like he is ready for the tombstone.
>>69813426
WOW, all that stress and rushing, and -then- peter goes on sick for 6 weeks in that utter chaos, no fucking wonder these films turned out the way they did
>>69813426
>Daily reminder that outside of Golum Del Toro's Hobbit films were gonna be done with almost entirely practical effects including Smaug and Del Toro was gonna use the budget to create a new practical effects company that specialized in makeup, puppetry, animatronics, etc. that could then be used for hire as a legitimate competitor to ILM and Weta
>>69813556
It's really amazing how boring that scene is. Despite the $100,000+ and hundreds of man-hours that was spent on it, it's still less exciting than if Legolas had just fought hand-to-hand with a single, physically real character.
Anyone watched the Hobbit cartoon? Is it based?
>>69813834
Yea it's fucking great. Great Golum, great Gandalf, great Smaug, great atmosphere. It's very faithful to the book. The main issues are Beorn and the Arkenstone are cut entirely and Thorin and the dwarves are a little underdeveloped. Have a listen to this:
https://youtu.be/ogTDa-vG2MQ
https://youtu.be/3oBvkWgzzOI
>>69810354
Peter Jackson is a fucking hack, and the only reason people wont apply the same standards to LoTR as they do to The Hobbit is nostalgia.
A man who made a couple of shitty (shitty by student film standards) gore filled b-movies got given the greatest fantasy franchise in existence to completely trash just for same shady back room NZ tax dodging reasons.
>>69813302
Worst rivarly in cinema history.
I mean, Legolas completely owns the guy, what was the point of that plot thread? we know he will never be in danger, when he rides after the orc at the end of the second movie, it's an empty dramatic moment.
>>69813972
Legolas owns every guy. What is the point of conflict or drama in a movie with Jackson elves?
>>69812505
>>69813302
>>69813556
>>69814000
>Legolas owns every guy.
Yes, but at least the LotR movies don't try to give him a nemesis. Here, the movie attempts to sell us the idea that they are mortal enemies, and it sucks because the bag guy is the underdog.
>>69810846
Too bad they cut short his amazing boasting.
>>69813972
There's really no tension in anything Legolas is involved in since he's more OP in Hobbit than he was in LotR. I still liked Bolg, though. It was refreshing to see an enemy that didn't give a fuck about ninja elf bullshit.
>Lego starts flipping
>Bolg just grabs him in mid-air and smashes him into a wall
>>69814467
FEANOR DID NOTHING WRONG
>>69813302
lol
>>69814581
t. Noldor
>>69813302
That's not how physics work.
>>69811814
U fucking w0t
Not reading the book is the only way to enjoy it
Once you have you realize its a bastardized version that is needlessly grim and is 80% filler shit
>>69814467
This could be the gayest thing I have ever read in my life.
>>69814864
Have you never read your diary,?
>>69810354
Turning an adventure story into a non stop action festival, that's what went wrong. There was no subtlety to any of it, just constant muh 3D and throwing shit at the screen.
A scene that still pisses me off to this day is when they finally arrive at the entrance of the mountain, look around for 5 seconds and then decide to go home after coming all this fucking way, what the fuck. In the book they stayed at the entrance for like a week before gaining access. It's like a perfect metaphor of what happened to this piece of shit production, we want the ADD audience
not enough content for 3 movies and the execs forced it to be 3 movies because LOTR was
>>69813302
https://youtu.be/yblUDD2INjQ
>scrap the entire 3rd movie
>split the hobbit into 2 parts
>focus solely on the journey to the misty mountain and confronting smaug
There ya go, The Hobbit movies are saved.
>>69814958
To continue the post, I will say though that the production at least had one positive aspect and that was making the Hobbit village a permanent place in New Zealand. Will visit some day.
Recently rewatched BOTFA on HBO and I dont remember it being this fucking awful the 1st time I saw it.
Like AUJ and DOS weren't exactly great movies but holy shit they were not this bad.
>>69815006
I went last year with a group, it's alright and the ale in the green dragon isn't bad. Word on the street is not to go in summer because it's packed as fuck.
>>69810354
There was a guy with bird shit on his face that had a rabbit sleigh.
>>69814864
What are you, 15?
They fucked up Gollum too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A01_ef_mtM
daily reminder that this scene happened
>>69812505
What the fuck?
>>69812505
>>69815238
Daily reminder that we actually thought this was the worst it would get;_;
>>69810354
Still haven't seen the third movie because I was utterly bored by the first two. The production diaries seemed so promising.
>>69812505
Someone really needs to loop that last three or four seconds so it looks like it continues forever
>>69815412
extended version of 3 would make a great RTS game, you can tell the CG artists wanted to work at Blizzard in the 90s... or maybe they did?
>>69815088
Aight, will keep in mind. Been thinking about a NZ trip early spring next year.
>>69815238
At least ghost-Sauron was pretty cool
>>69810690
Good is bad.
Up is down.
Left is Right.
Black is white.
War is peace.
Ignorance is knowledge.
Weakness is strength.
>>69810690
I find the lack of effort in this bait to be insulting.
>>69813934
As a fan of the books, a lot of their content wouldn't have transitioned well to the big screen. Stuff like Tom Bombadil or the frequent Shakespearean squabbles in the middle of battles or the many silly songs. It would have been as silly and old-fashioned as the cartoon adaptations from the 70s that are constantly made fun of.
What the LoTR trilogy did was trim much of the useless fluff while adapting it for a modern audience. While there were some questionable choices (such as making Frodo into too much of a pussy) he still kept the heart of the books for the most part. The Hobbit trilogy does the exact opposite, it adds stuff that was never in the book and much of the new content was even lamer than the worst of the book's childish nonsense.
>that prologue of glorious Erebor
>the dinner scene
>this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyy_FIYE7EE
>Tom, Bert and Bill being huge retards
The first and second movie had parts that were really fucking good. All I remember from the third one is endless fightning, "find the one called Strider" and Christopher Lee being one of the oldest people on earth.
>>69816360
>Tom, Bert and Bill being huge retards
The trolls were fucking Jar Jar-tier anon.
>>69812505
can someone post a youtube link or a gif version?
I can't into webms
>>69816391
I don't remember them sticking around being annoying for the entire length of the movie and becoming members of the White Council in the sequel
