https://torrentfreak.com/fox-stole-a-game-clip-used-it-in-family-guy-dmcad-the-original-160520/
MAY 20, 2016
FOX ‘STOLE’ A GAME CLIP, USED IT IN FAMILY GUY & DMCA’D THE ORIGINAL
This week's episode of Family Guy included a clip from 1980s Nintendo video game Double Dribble showing a glitch to get a free 3-point goal. Fox obtained the clip from YouTube where it had been sitting since it was first uploaded in 2009. Shortly after, Fox told YouTube the game footage infringed its copyrights. YouTube took it down.
Just when you think you’ve seen every ridiculous example of a bogus DMCA-style takedown, another steps up to take the crown. This week’s abomination comes courtesy of Fox and it’s an absolute disaster.
In last Sunday’s episode of Family Guy titled “Run, Chris, Run“, Peter and Cleveland play the 1980s classic Nintendo video game Double Dribble. Peter doesn’t play fair though and exploits a glitch in the game that allows his player to shoot a three-point goal every time. The clip is available on YouTube.
Perhaps surprisingly the game glitch is absolutely genuine and was documented in a video that was uploaded to YouTube by a user called ‘sw1tched’ back in February 2009.
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>>69784478
“This is an automatic shot my brothers and I found on the NES Double Dribble back in the 80’s when it was released. I know others know this also, but as long as you release at the right point it is automatic. The half court shot I took at the end goes in 80% of the time, but i didn’t want to keep recording….HAHA,” sw1tched wrote.
Interestingly the clip that was uploaded by sw1tched was the exact same clip that appeared in the Family Guy episode on Sunday. So, unless Fox managed to duplicate the gameplay precisely, Fox must’ve taken the clip from YouTube.
Whether Fox can do that and legally show the clip in an episode is a matter for the experts to argue but what followed next was patently absurd. Shortly after the Family Guy episode aired, Fox filed a complaint with YouTube and took down the Double Dribble video game clip on copyright grounds. (mirror Daily Motion)
Faced with yet another example of a blatantly wrongful takedown, TorrentFreak spoke with Fight for the Future CTO Jeff Lyon. Coincidentally he’d just watched the episode in question.
“It’s most likely that this is just another example of YouTube’s Content ID system automatically taking down a video without regard to actual copyright ownership and fair use. As soon as FOX broadcast that Family Guy episode, their robots started taking down any footage that appeared to be reposted from the show — and in this case they took down the footage they stole from an independent creator,” Lyon says.
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>>69784516
“The problem with an automated DMCA takedown system is that robots can never know the difference between fair use and copyright infringement. It is not hyperbolic to call this mass censorship,” he continues.
“Instead of copyright holders having to prove a video is infringing, their scanning software can take it down automatically, and then it falls on the creator to prove they had a right to post it. Creators are discouraged from filing counter-notices to stand up for their work, facing lost revenue and permanent bans from online platforms. This erodes fair use and free speech on the Internet.”
The entire situation is indeed bewildering and utterly ridiculous. The original Double Dribble game came out in 1987, some 12 years before the very first episode of Family Guy aired in 1999. The clip of the glitch was uploaded by sw1tched more than seven years ago. Then somehow Fox came along, copied it, put it into their TV show, claimed copyright on it, and then nuked the original clip from the Internet.
You couldn’t make it up. Nor would you want to.
Update: The folks at Takedownabuse.org are featuring this story in a petition.
FIN
ContentID is not, has not been, and will never be the DMCA. It was developed by YouTube so Viacom would drop the suit that would likely have stripped YouTube's safe harbor protections under the DMCA.
ContentID takedowns are not DMCA takedowns. They operate on a different, much less strict standard. Anyone that works with YouTube can flag any video for any reason and the content is removed immediately without giving the initial uploader a right to contest it (it can be restored laterº. A YouTube user has way fewer rights under ContentID than they do under the DMCA. If you are found in violation of ContentID, you must fight both YouTube and the claimant to have your case heard under the DMCA.
TL;DR
>>69784478
Based Fox
that's pretty awesome, go corporations
>>69784478
This needs to happen many more times for it to be a real world problem. I hope it does.
>>69785127
Hopefully the guy who made the Youtube clip will sure FOX for a bazillion dollars under the DCMA regulations.
>>69784478
Corporations are good
-Dick Masterson
NOBODY CARES YOU /V/EDDIT FAGGOT
>>69784478
Tl;dr
Oh yeah
GO TEAM MURDOCH
>>69785436
>>69784624
>some dude posts a video 7 years ago
>FOX uses the direct clip in family guy
>youtube robots DMCA the 7 year old clip as copywrite infringment from fox
You could've just said "Jews".
>>69785620
>Jews
They're called kikes.
>>69785127
Eh, this will heat up the discussion if gameplay is enough to warrant it being your product or not. Wait... only win win situation here
>fox wins, making let's plays not actual of any worth and now companies can dmca any let's player
Or
>this random youtuber wins and blows the fuck out of fox
Problem is there is a 3rd option which will reality
>fox will string him along in court
>as long as it takes to make him go bankrupt and unable to keep paying court fees
DEATH TO VIDEODROME
>be Seth McFarlane
>can't come up with enough jokes
>add in several minutes of Peter and the gang playing NES
>>69785649
butcallhimajew.txt
>>69785620
This
You would have gotten a bigger response if you said "these jews at fox are cunts...they did....." and so forth.
they should take down the bo jackson tecmo bowl video next
>>69785691
He has officially given upm
>>69785729
Probably would attract a bigger audience on /v/ too.
Excellent, well done fox
>>69785691
He looks like Daisy Ridley in that picture.
>>69785781
He used to splice in full Conway Twitty music videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6cnQA17xIw
>>69785691
>be Seth McFarlane
>can't come up with enough jokes
>ten minute sequence of peter fighting a rooster
>>69785691
Thanks, egoraptor
>>69785876
You are just one of thousands of face blind people on /tv/ is all
WUBBLE RIBBLE
That was such a great game, and the "clips" for the dunks was high-tech at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gvPz9Aw7zqc#t=74
>>69786221
>be Seth McFuckface
>can't come up with enough jokes
>ten minute sequence of black guys fucking Seth McFuckface's wife
>>69786474
>be Seth McFuckface
>can't come up with enough jokes
>ten minute sequence of Seth McFaggot praising allah and executing infidels
Does Seth McFarlane even write for Family Guy anymore? I thought he had a bunch of writers to do it now so he didn't have to do anything?
>>69785781
>>69785887
He gave up after he realised that FOX had shat on his original idea for Family Guy and treats it as the 'edge Simpsons'.
Worse part is? Current Simpsons is more like Family Guy than Family Guy is.
The fact that /tv/ is so fucking blind just makes their rage at Seth all the funnier. He does an entire episode of Brian getting a pilot episode and the executives changing it to something completely different.
You guys are fucking blind. Seth doesn't give a fuck and he has a fucking contract. The contract says produce X amount of episodes. The guy has always wanted to be in films, the last film he was in was Ted 2. Which was just him voicing a fucking CGI bear. The only film he's been in, that I can remember, where he is just himself, is The Toothfairy.
>>69785876
No, she just looks like Seth McFarlane.
>>69786818
Wasn't he in that one film A thousand ways to die in the West?
I have to admit he's not fugly, but he isn't too charismatic either, he just looks "too normal". It's just his voice that's kinda characteristic, I don't think he'll ever truly break out of doing mainly voiceover work.
is the original creator still around? couldn't he sue FOX for massive amounts of dosh?
>>69787003
>A thousand ways to die in the West
that was a flick, not a film.
>>69787059
>ohlookitsthismemeagain.exe
>>69787003
Oh yeah. I forgot bout that film.
The guy is trying. My 65 year old mother likes him. Thinks he's cute.
Who cares, the guy had his dreams shattered by greedy executives.
>>69785340
he can try but he won't succeed
>>69785340
This
>>69787014
>>69787233
>Who cares, the guy had his dreams shattered by greedy executives.
Fair point, but his dreams were pretty hacky and greedy in the first place, so...
>>69785691
>5 minutes of Peter on the ground in pain in a long over used drawn out gag
>>69786687
>be Seth McFucknugget
>can't come up with enough jokes
>hire writers to make jokes but due to your shit sense of humor you hire shit writers.
It's ok though, adult swim plays like 3 hours of your rehash crap every night
>>69784550
>The problem with an automated DMCA takedown system is that robots can never know the difference between fair use and copyright infringement.
Should be quite straightforward in this case if you assume total lack of time machines.
>>69787316
>KotH down to just one episode a night
It ain't fair. First blackface Family Guy chased it off Fox, now it's the same deal on Adult Swim.
>>69787233
>shattered
More like made better and more complete than he ever dared hope, he's basically a soulless, sellout, unfunny version of McCrackin.
>>69787150
films are works of art, movies are entertaining mass produced videos like capeshit or james bond. flicks are just bad movies.
are you honestly saying that seth's shit tier western comedy was a work of art?
learn the difference.
>>69787377
fuck off, family guy with it's shit writing and hack jokes still gets a giggle out of me from time to time, KotH just makes me cringe.
>>69785691
Well,it'd be better than the Conway Twitty cutaway gag. The stupid part about Family Guy is that some jokes/gags could be legit funny,and then they just drag on with the punchline for way too long.
>>69787459
Probably because youre underage.
>>69785525
So is this like a Copyright reach-around?
>>69787459
>How to spot a faggot
Don't forget to prep the bull.
>>69787459
Nobody is saying there's not the occasional good joke in family guy but if KotH makes you cringe your opinion isn't worth the toilet paper it's smeared on
>>69787429
>this fucking meme
>what are synonyms
just say it's a shit film you autismo
>>69785684
>interested 3rd party steps in to pay legal fees in return for stake the in the suit
>>69787240
>>69787533
>>69787525
>>69787496
>butthurt KotH fanboys
>>69787548
but that would imply that it's actually art and not just a shitty cash crab.
it's a flick, not a film, deal with it.
>>69787548
It's not a meme you dullard.
>>69787589
>shit opinion
>proceeds to shitpost
You can join the loser that keeps cunnyposting if you're going to continue having terrible taste.
>>69787702
>being this butthurt
kek benny
>>69785340
FOX can tie him up in courts for so long he will go bankrupt trying to pay lawyers fees.
>>69787014
no because fox obviously bought the original rights from the actual creator. the game creator. everyone in this story is ignoring the obvious and reasonable explanation in pursuit of sensationalism and feel good emotionality.
>>69788000
and my digits confirm. suck on it fedora faggots.
Rappers do this all the time. They "sample" original content from youtube, then their record companies use their bots to take down the original because it matches.
>>69785340
I don't see the problem, the original guy used a game that isn't his anyway, why would he have the rights to it? I'm sure that FOX payed the game creators. If you want to post clips of you playign the game make the game first and don't piggyback on other peoples hard work, it's worse than piracy because you get money from the Youtube.
> retroactive content take-down by newer content which is held under "copyright" by a corporation
> original content was originally independently produced and legally is its own copyright by an individual
> likely never contacted for use of their content in a TV show
FOX would be legally fucked in the ass by EVERY judge in a legitimate court/trial system.
but
> implying the courts arn't crooked rubber stamps for business
> implying this internet content creator can foot the legal bill of starting a case
> implying there's justice left in this world
someone just needs to go full axe-murderer on FOX execs responsible. problems solved.
>>69788144
It's just a video of the guy playing it. The least they could do is lift the DMCA.
>>69788609
Did he get permission from the game creator to play it and monetize it?
>>69788699
It wasn't monetized, and you don't need permission just to upload something like that.
>>69788144
>I don't see the problem, the original guy used a game that isn't his anyway, why would he have the rights to it?
So if I come up with a tune on my guitar, Fender Musical Instrument Corporation owns it?
>>69788794
A game is not a guitar and you know it's not. If you say "this is a recording of me sitting in the theatre watching a play by Nwombo Malaga in the Women's Diversity Theatre Center for the Annual Advancement of the Current Year and clapping" then yeah Nwombo and the ladies must get their money.
>>69788000
>>69788144
> these shills for FOX
What you're effectively saying is that every game development business can tell the "Lets Play" video makers to fuck off.
While LPs should fuck off, they shouldn't fuck off because some cunt in a suit looking for pennies under the rug thinks they proactively own what other people develop from the product they made. Oh, and it doesn't stop at LPs, it goes into reviews, person-to-person stories, and fucking anything relating to that content.
It's the "paying for mods" shit except instead of someone from the crowd saying "Pay me $15" it's the owner of the game running up, shoving down the mod maker, and saying "Pay me $20"
ALSO, the automatic content detection and removal system itself is a fucking atrocity waiting to happen. Someone copyrights the wrong thing, files a take-down, and suddenly everything is getting ruined.
> gain access to the system
> put in some of the most popular or commonly used content around
> fuck everyone in the ass in one click
>>69788646
>Stop trying to fix the system! It inconveniences when we fuck you.
WHY DOESN'T HE SUE FOX
>>69787344
Fox's DMCA robots didn't download the guy's content off Youtube and use it on Family Guy without his permission, so yes, it should be pretty straight forward.
>>69788946
He's too pure for this zionist world
>>69788946
Because like yourself, he lacks ambition.He should sue YouTube and its corporate owners, too
>>69788144
literally kill yourself
>>69788874
no the guy you're responding to, but that's a dumb comparison, while the comparison with a guitar makes much more sense, even if it is a bit exaggerated. A videogame won't do anything without someone giving it some input, which in turn will generate a unique playthrough. How the fuck can you compare that to watching a play, where you're completely passive and looking at things happening?
>>69788879
>What you're effectively saying is that every game development business can tell the "Lets Play" video makers to fuck off.
No, they should license them and have proper contracts. Obviously you shouldn't be allowed to make money off a game if you only paid for a single consumer license.
>>69789151
why shouldn't you? Videogames make money by having people pay to PLAY them, nobody will pay money for WATCHING someone play.
>>69789125
>A videogame won't do anything without someone giving it some input,
It literally will, 99.9% of games are programmed in such a way that they play themselves until the player reacts to whatever's happening. Or do you think that orc with an axe will just stop fighting you as soon as you put down the controller?
>>69787059
>>69787150
>>69787429
>>69787548
>>69787595
>>69787658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCmrcym9Hro
>>69789194
>nobody will pay money for WATCHING someone play
https://www.patreon.com/EasyAllies?ty=h
>>69789200
>they play themselves until the player reacts to whatever's happening
>character dying in a matter of seconds and the level restarting (or game over or whatever) is a game "playing itself"
you just went full retard
>>69789228
jesus christ
>>69789194
>nobody will pay money for WATCHING someone play
Yet LP channels on Youtube make shitloads of ad money and patreon money.
>>69788874
> A game is not a guitar
The analogy perfectly valid.
The YouTube guy manipulated the game controller to achieve the unique scene, just as a guitarist manipulates a guitar to achieve the unique tune.
>>69789200
What the fuck do you think videogames are mate? I don't even know where to start.
>>69789313
>implying people pay money to watch those videos
making money with publicty =! people paying to watch something
>>69789151
>No, they should license them and have proper contracts.
> Every hairy toms' dick flooding the mail department of a business with requests for their 5 minute videos just to make legally sure they can make that 5 minute video
> Encouraging society to be so fucking insecure and beurocratic you need to sign the toilet paper before using it to wipe your own ass
>>69789372
Tell me where does the money come from then. Thin air?
>>69789484
>Thin air?
> Fiat currency
Unironically, yes.
>>69789481
That's how business is done, sorry you can't understand it because you're in middle school.
>>69789576
*tips tinfoil hat*
>>69789372
>what is patreon
refer to >>69789228
people are paying these ex-gametrailers employees 40k A MONTH so they can watch them play video games.
not everyone watching is also paying, but there are in fact people that are willing to pay money for watching other people play video games.
>>69788946
The fucking idiot could put himself through ivy league college (or pay off his parent's mortgage) with an out of court settlement.
>>69789484
no, it comes from the ad money you fucktard, but ads don't force you to pay anything, they just pay money to get their ad shown ffs it's not rocket science how dense are you you schmuck
>>69789908
>but ads don't force you to pay anything
that is only true if your time is worthless.
>>69789908
And the ad money comes from thin air?
>>69789931
>says the guy on /tv/
my sides have reached orbit
>>69789946
>I compulsively buy anything I see an ad for
I bet you do you braindead piece of shit.
Why are Seth MacFarlane shows such cancer /tv/?
>>69787521
Mmm fuck man you just made me yearn for another hot dog. I eat like 5 per week. I found a bar where they serve free hot dogs and I eat about 3 of them when I go there. ShiIIIiT! Gonna get a cheddarwurst I think.
>>69787521
>no ketchup
>no mustard
>no mayonnaise
>no lettuce
DROPPED
>>69790244
Enjoy your colon cancer
>>69789881
He could buy himself a nice house at least, which would be cheeper for Fox then paying lawyers to fight him in court.
>>69785691
I was pretty sure he had dick all to do with FG now outside of voice work
>>69790401
What the fuck. What about my deli meats? Can I still eat turkey and roast beef sandwiches on the reg?
>>69790610
All processed meats are bad but you do whatever you want I don't give a fuck
>>69788946
That's too much of a legal gray area for any lawyer to touch since you'd have to get the publishers of the game involved
>>69790681
>>69788879
>What you're effectively saying is that every game development business can tell the "Lets Play" video makers to fuck off.
Yes, and they can. Whining about it doesn't change anything.
t. copywrite lawyer
>>69785691
it''s strange how people claim he used to be good when really he was average at best.
>>69790590
he's written like 3 episodes in the last 17 years
>>69788879
>What you're effectively saying is that every game development business can tell the "Lets Play" video makers to fuck off.
They literally can, and this has happened numerous times when the LP was unfavorable to the impression the publishers wanted to create.
>>69787059
>>69787429
>>69787595
>>69789881
I'm sure the loss of earnings was detrimental to him during this whole debacle
not to mention emotional distress
>>69790283
>lettuce on a hot dog
what
>>69785691
He doesn't write family guy anymore dumbass.
>>69785691
>be Seth McFarlane
>can't come up with enough jokes
>create Family Guy
>>69788000
Demonstrating a glitch in a game would p much certainly fall under fair use. In fact Fox likely is using it without permission as parody.
>>69790244
Gee, Bill
>copyright idiocy thread turns into "defend seth mcfarlane" thread
...
>>69787895
Land of the free
