I know this isn't a typical question here, but I'm in a bit of a dilemma.
My daughter was just born. I never really put much thought into what this really meant until I first held her in my arms. I want to provide her with the best life I can give her.
I am an American with dual citizenship with Colombia and my wife is also American with Ecuadorian dual citizenship. Our daughter is American but is eligible for Colombian citizenship and I'm pretty sure for Ecuador as well.
I worry about the future here in the United States. Things just seem to be getting worse and worse and before I even thought about just leaving for good. I look at how much life has improved in Colombia and I'm starting to think the future is a lot brighter there than it is here. I don't know enough about Ecuador to say but it is an option as well.
Any advice would be helpful. I've done my research online which is what was going to make me leave the US before I met my wife but finding information specifically about raising a child in these countries is hard to come by. Thanks.
Pic related but not my daughter
TL;DR Want to know best country to raise my daughter
>>935142
Whaaa?
You're fucking regarded the U.S. is almost certainly the best country to be raised in (assuming you're at least middle class). Any Colombian or Ecuadorian to whom you said they were lucky not to have been born in the US would punch you in the face.
Maybe Canada would be more privilege-tier if you had the choice.
>>935181
Nah, there are plenty of European countries where it would be much better to be born.
Look at GDP per capita by country rankings and you can basically go by that (excluding the OPEC ones with low personal freedoms.
Germany without a doubt (maybe sweden/finland/denmark too).
University is for free/really effortable, free healthcare, the state is going to pay your bills when you are jobless, good climate.
Bet some americans will scream "b-but muhrica", but the fact is, that when don't have a healthinsurance in the USA and your daughter gets serious ill she is almost dead. In Germany you will get treatment, no matter what.
>>935142
OP I think it depends on what value as most important to the upbringing of your child. Even though I dont have children but one thing that is important for me is being able to raise them in an environment which is conservative and christian. I want them to grow up with good values and be surrounded by people in the same situation. So for example I am living in Montréal at the moment but if I was to have a kid I'd definetly move about 2 hours into the countryside as in Montréal its far too liberal, where homosexual acceptance is to a ridiculous level and its full of Arabs and Muslims who in general values differ greatly from mine.
>>935192
Possessing a neutral North American English accent is a big leg-up in this world. As is exposure to different cultures which you may lack in Europe.
>>935195
Reason why I was pointing that out in this post as if you move to Germany, Sweden, Finland or Denmark dont be surprised if your child ends up messed up
>>935196
m8, try to have a culture before talking about cultural exposure
I was gonna suggest Japan to OP, until I realized that as gaijins they would all be treated like shit.
gr8 b8 m8.
Coming to 4chan for advice on raising a child. No one should take this guy seriously.
On my last trip I met this Vietnamese guy who's living in Singapore. He's looked like he was quite well off. We were talking about how I find Canada boring so I travel to find countries that are a little wilder and more interesting. I said Canada is a great country to raise a kid. And he said if he had to pick between Singapore or Canada or Vietnam he'd want to start a family and raise his kids in Vietnam. He said growing up in a country like that, as long as you have a way out, will be better because it improves mental toughness. To get ahead in Vietnam you have to be smart but also clever. You have to be the best of the best to get good jobs because there's so much competition, so people really work hard to get somewhere. In wealthier countries people are just satisfied with a participation ribbon.
Just a thought for all of yous out there. Sometimes there's more to life then comfort. Having said that, I will likely start my family either in Canada or somewhere in Europe (dual citizen) cause of the child benefits.
>>935195
>conservative and christian
>hurr durr homosexual acceptance
Don't breed, anon.
>>935142
As a latin american, I say
You're retarded
>>935258
Yeah, why not send your to kids to Somalia while you're at it? They'll be the cleverest warlord yet.
Ideally Germany would be great but seeing that we've no ties to the country let alone know a single word in German that would be really hard.
The guy talking about Vietnam had a good point. I think a lot of kids in America are growing up spoiled and I'd like her not to have this mindset.
>>935402
>>>/reddit/
>>935236
>being this delusional
inb4 hollywood, music, the internet and fashion "don't count"
>b-but muh real culture
It's not objective dumbass. if people liked euroshit trash they'd consume it more than american stuff.
>>935428
White boi can be easy target in south america
>>935142
>Would I be better off raising my kid in a 3rd world country that people die to get out of or the richest country in the world that people die to get into
>>935142
>Columbia and Ecuador
>better than U.S.A.
>even considering that they can be compared
Hmm... I wonder why everyone from those countries is fleeing to the U.S.A., what with the U.S.A. being a shithole country and all, not to mention the safety of living in South America.
>>935192
>Look at GDP per capita by country rankings and you can basically go by that (excluding the OPEC ones with low personal freedoms.
No you can't.
Look at opportunities to rise in class, rise in education, increase your income, plan for your retirement, and cost for your quality of life (desired). What do you and your spouse call a career?? Is that sustainable right now for the life you want? Or is there a country in the world where you get far more needs met at your chosen careers?
OP sounds like some weird paranoid undereducated fool to think some demise of the US is happening. Typical socialist brained idealist from crap low income countries to think grass might be greener. You obviously haven't made it through any system as yet in your short lives.
South american here.
A good measure of how fucked up a country is is to check how much the middle class, or even middle low class invest in making invading their houses harder. Do they normally put metal bars on windows? Tall walls around the house? Glass shards/barbed wire/electrified fence on top of the tall wall? If yes to any of them probably this is way more dangerous than your developed country no matter how dangerous you think it is.
People often are use to the level of the insecurity they were raised so personal advices are not reliable. News also aren't reliable. People get shocked over fucked up crimes in developed countries and assume that they don't happen as much in undeveloped countries but the truth is that here we probably have way more fucked up crimes but often they are dismissed as related to drug traffic, robbery attempt, etc and it is not unusual for a serial killer be caught by some other reason and nobody even linked his 30 murders because it wasn't something that stand out in the normal murder rates. Again, people are used to the insecurity levels they were raised in. I live in what is considered a low neighborhood but people here all have at least one of those measures I mentioned before. Close by there was a cross-dresser prostitution point and one night someone came in a motorbike and shoot them. This kind of thing would alarm people from a developed country but here we don't care much. Nobody besides the victims changed anything in their daily life, I bet many aren't even aware of it even if it was a murder two blocks away from here.
People often get fooled by all the fucked crimes and corruption they see on on their news and assume that just because it isn't that common in poor countries because they have less problems when in fact they they have so much of it that it no longer have any impact. I'm from a country that have great corruption scandals pop up every year and people vote on these guys again in the next election.
>>936875
To put it simple, what is a great scandal for you is routine for us. We just don't stop to think about it. When a third world country have a brief lapse of developed country everybody makes a big deal of it as if they would become the next super power, when a developed country have a brief lapse of third world everybody acts like it is the worse place in the world. No matter what people say Japan is not dangerous, not even close to be dangerous. US will not become a shithole and the most dangerous neighborhood from the most dangerous city from a country like France is not even close to what is considered a normal neighborhood here.
>>935555
>USA
>richest country in the world
choose one
>>935555
lol
>implying America's wealth is even remotely fairly distributed and that millions upon millions in that country don't live just like third worlders
>>936900
Even the people in the absolute worst poverty in America have it so much better than those in third world countries. Besides, most of them are there because of their own laziness anyway.
>>936927
>absolute worst poverty in America
>so much better than those in third world countries
Hi anon
>>936927
>Even the people in the absolute worst poverty in America have it so much better than those in third world countries.
This is probably the dumbest thing all day, as it implies some guy sleeping under a bridge in LA or in the Baltimore projects has a better life than a middle class Indian or Brazilian or Turk. You obviously haven't travelled at all beyond the West.
>Besides, most of them are there because of their own laziness anyway.
2/10, gotta try harder.
>>936930
Hi! Poverty is not the botton, there are many people below it.
>>936931
>>936900
The wealth distribution is far worse in undeveloped countries. This is one of the many causes of the high crime rates.
>>935515
the gospel right here
>>936939
look at those cars
>>936931
I agree with the guy you're quoting. The homeless in developed countries have access to free shelters, free food, resources to find jobs, free clothes. Most of the time the ones who reject all of that are mentally disturbed so there's not much that can be done for them.
>>935258
how the FUCK does everyone here have dual citizenship. HOW?
>>937617
Not that guy, but parents. U jelly?
>>935142
finland is supposed to have the best living conditions in the world, go there. finnish is also supposed to be the hardest language to learn
>>935192
>Look at GDP per capita by country rankings
Look at 'em by state. Some US states beat Luxembourg.
>>938364
On 4chan, yes. In reality, no. I think OP is either a troll or an idiot coming here for advice, but since we're on the topic, Finland isn't more xenophobic than other Nordic countries but the language is extremely hard to learn (it's not closely related to anything other than Estonian) so it's difficult to find work here unless you are working in a very specialized field.
>>938335
>finnish is also supposed to be the hardest language to learn
Nonsense, try any of the Chinese dialects. Cantonese is probably the worst.
>>938364
>Finnish the most racist/xenophobic
Not that I've ever heard. They've always seemed pretty friendly. But if you mean they don't apologize when some peasant rapes them, then I guess that means they're racist.
>>935142
Ireland would be your best bet.
The Netherlands is known for their happy children, some say the children of the Netherlands are the happiest in the world
see: http://www.findingdutchland.com/happiest-kids-in-the-world/
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6360517.stm
I wonder OP,
why not raise kids in Ecuador or Colombia? I haven't been personally there but I've met a lot of people and all of my friends (who travelled in SA) who say it's their nr1 spot, even for living there (more Colombia than Ecuador). But they also say it is not the place for people who like high standard of living, new gadgets and are generally more materialistic, or western. I also know you will have bad time in bad places of those countries.
I also met some families from there, or that were influenced by that kind of lifestyle (mostly french from alps) and they were so chilled and relaxed that it was shinning off them.
I think you daughter's life will be amazing if you give her (and her rabbit) such life - and don't count on environment so much, if you will she might actually have a shitty life.
Also, the girl on the picture is cute as a button.
Coincidentially, both countries were inclued on the top 10 for places to retire abroad.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2015/01/02/the-best-places-to-retire-abroad-in-2015/
>>936942
>2008
poverty rate in Colombia was 29% in 2014
However, monetary poverty rates between countries aren't comparable.
>>936875
nah, crime perception is much worse than reality in several places of South America
>>939623
>western
South America is the west bruh.
>>939567
It's not that easy to just waltz into The Netherlands
>>935142
Ive been born in Romania and moved to the US around when i was 5 years old via green card, and i stayed there untill i was 19, then I came to Sweden and I dont want to go back, the us education is 1/8 shit compaired to european countries.
I'm in Sweden now for university and im having a hard time passing half my classes, for the most part i need a caulculater to don most of the simple math tasks such as multiplication and division. The only ting good about having lived in US is that it helped me to learn english, other than that its a very boring and stressful life to live when i didint have a car or my parents ddint want to or werent able to take me places or to see friends due to being tired or high gas prices. After a while of living in that type of condidition you go a little crazy. Also i was part of a middle class family living in florida.
If the situation in columbia or ecuador is better then maybe i'd recommend your child grow up there or send them to live there later on so they can see a different life. I havent been to South America to judge, Europe is more ideal than the US, so i would assume the same for South American countries.
But good luck what ever you decide to do, and remember that half of it depends on how you raise your child.
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I'm pretty sure that would be Switzerland
http://www.economist.com/news/21566430-where-be-born-2013-lottery-life
http://nomadcapitalist.com/2014/03/16/top-5-best-countries-to-be-born-in/
but you're not gonna get in regardless
>>939949
>>939949
yeah, I'm sure all the people fleeing poverty, genocide, corruption, and communist regimes is ALL in their heads
>>939951
all this autism
people use the west to refer to european civilization. south america is a jungle civilization given space age technology that they barely understand how to use
>>936927
shut the fuck up, anon
>>939955
>America is so bad even the gypsies end up leaving it
>>935142
I'm not speaking from experience but the US seems like a huge and diverse place.
how about a small and wealthy town in the north east?
>>940228
this is b8
>>935181
>more privilege-tier
Take that shit back to tumblr
I live in Finland myself.
Northern Europe in a nutshell:
PROS
+ 100% free education (also one of the most appreciated educational systems in the world)
+ the most uncorrupted governments come from here
+ the government helps you financially if you have problems regarding that (not a single person without shelter, food or clothes here in Finland)
+ safe (only a few million educated people, really)
+ people are honest (Helsinki was voted as the best as well as the safest city in the world, check out http://www.businessinsider.com/helsinki-is-the-worlds-most-honest-city-2013-9?IR=T as well as http://monocle.com/film/affairs/most-liveable-city-helsinki/)
CONS
-winters can get very cold and dark compared to what you've gotten used to
-people aren't as smiley and social as in the States or Latin America
Here's an article about an American who moved to Helsinki to live with his Finnish wife and their child: http://matadornetwork.com/life/3-american-habits-lost-moved-finland/
I sincerely suggest you to find more information about living in Northern Europe. Usually opposites attract and I think it's the complete opposite of Latin America. I was in Mexico for three weeks myself this Christmas, lived there with a Mexican family. If you do find your future here then don't think that the reason why the locals don't talk or smile at you is because they are racist or dislike you, it's just the cultural norm.
If there's anything you'd like to ask. Feel free to even give me your Skype account or something similar, I'd be more than happy to help you out.
>>940339
> it's the complete opposite of Latin America
how so? Latin America is a very diverse place. It's hot as opposite to cold Finland? Not really, there are quite a few cities with mild climate in Latin America: Bogota, Quito, Lima, Arequipa, Northern/Central Chile, South/Central Brazil, a good part of Mexico, San Jose. And even cold ones like Ushuaia or Valdivia.... Too corrupt? Sort of, but not really. Only a few Latin American countries are classified among the most corrupt on Earth. Education is also free, at least to a certain degree, in pretty much all LatAm countries. Unsafe? It varies a lot. There are plenty of relatively safe areas, even in countries like Colombia or Venezuela.
>>937617
>Mexican passport
>Spanish passport
>Uk passport
>Getting a canadian passport this november
It feels good to be a mongrel
>>940351
Wow, never heard of someone with four nationalities hahaha!
>>940347
No corruption, no violence, extremely cold, extremely different and opposite culture, actually free education, even at higher levels, very safe. Latin America has nothing in common with Finland, except people exist there.
>>940640
seems like b8, but let's pretend it's not
>no violence
I know several Colombian towns which haven't had homicides in many decades
> extremely cold
Average temperature in Helsingi (;-DD): 6ºC
Average temperature in Bogota, Mexico City, Sao Paulo, etc etc: around 14ºC
>extremely different and opposite culture
what is a "Latin American culture" in the first place?
>actually free education
how is education in Latin America actually not free?
education is never actually free, anyway. people always pay it, through taxes or whatever.
>>940339
I would very much like to live in your country, sounds a lot like Canada (where I currently reside).
I also think I would fit in, because I'm not very social myself.
Colombia and Ecuador don't sound like good choices, but I would never volunteer to raise my kid in America either.
>get shot
>school lunches
>the knockout game
>blacks
>presidents
>get shot again
>education system
>SJW's
>bible bashers
>gangs
there are so many better choices, off the top of my head;
>switzerland
>NZ
>canada
>singapore
>scotland
>>936939
is this jakarta? I swear i saw this view form my hotel
>>940905
>the knockout game
>SJWs
kek, I doubt any of those other countries would have you
>>940869
>no violence
means that Finland is so peaceful that police officer has used his gun three times since the beginning o this millenium. Week ago they had to shot a guy that attacked police with an axe and it was so huge event that it got special news (usually reserved for events like 911 or Asian tsunami)
>extremely cold
Temperatures can vary at great range. In Helsinki it can usually be +30C in summer and -30C in winter. Last summer it was +10 most of the time even though that's rare.
>different and opposite culture
Latin culture lively, big family (cousins, grandmoms etc), talkative, fiestafiesta
Finnish culture quite cautious, people don't talk to strangers and even with friends it's very peaceful compared to latinos. Of course we can party too if we want to, and finnish party scene is lively with bars and home parties. (these are only stereotypes)
>free education.
You get paid to study and various discounts including ones for public transport and health care. Universities are highly recognized. Some top universities do great at Shanghai list for example. Also: one of the best education systems in the world according to PISA studies. Chinese study 10h/day and go to school when they are 5 or 6. Finns when they are 7. Also short days with lots of free time and little homework. And still we kick worlds ass in almost every international tests.
Don't know anything about education in L.A tho..
>>940995
temperatures not usually. That's the normal range. Usually summers ¨~+22 winters ~-5 - -15
