Have you ever been to Quebec city?
I don't think there's a more european city in north America.
>>1116778
op here
>a more european city
I mean a more classic european city than this
Quebec City is beautiful, in the old spots. There are times when it feels like you've been transported to Normandy. If it weren't for all the horrible tourists it would be easy to forget you're in North America.
Quebec City is pretty cool.
Montreal's Old Port is also very nice, too bad the rest of the city is a fucking cancer and a half.
>>1116826
What. The old port is a fucking souvenir shop shithole and generic pubs. The rest of the city is amazing.
>>1116778
Quebec City was nice but too many souvenir shops and irish pubs and mcdonalds put into old architecture.
>>1116778
What is Quebec's third best city?
I've been to Montreal in QC. I'd like to see something else.
The best thing about Quebec is that outside of Montreal, its pretty non degenerate. Faggots and niggers are not welcome in Quebec city and its a beautiful, beautiful thing.
>>1116778
I lived there for a bit.
I love this place, it's a shame that most people stick to Old Quebec which is overrated to hell and back.
>>1116976
the rest of the city looks like an other small grey as fuck concrete small Canadian city. Old Quebec is the only part that looks nice, despite being overrun with tourist and tourist shops.
>>1116991
Bullshit.
St-Jean-Baptiste and some parts of St-Roch are GOAT.
>>1116969
I'm from Québec city, what are you looking for? The third big city or the third that is worth visiting?
>>1116996
Gimmie both, it's been a few years since I was there, but I vaguely remember looking at the map and seeing vast tracts of Quebec that were basically uninhabited
who knows what's out there, probably some weird frozen farms with rednecks sipping maple moonshine
Canada is shit. Especially Queerbeq.
Holy god, can a place possibly be shittier than Montreal? Well, maybe only in QC.
>>1117054
Ontario? Is that you?
>>1117062
I live in BC ):
Trying to find a way to move to the USA every damn day.
>>1117078
Marry dude, no, you don't have to suck his dick or do anything like that. Just make it legal and move along. Gay marriage is recognized in both Canada and US now, how serious are you about coming here?
>>1117078
Stay there, we don't want no Cucknadians.
>>1117089
You don't have to really be gay, to be gay on paper.
Find a straight American dude who wants to be Canadian, and just slowly trade places.
>>1117089
Would you like to know more? Gib junk email, I want to be a leaf.
For what it's worth, I believe Quebec City is the best or at least in the top 3 greatest spots to live in Canada.
I spent 3 months living there and loved it, it was a quiet, clean, safe city. They say it's best to go in the Winter but the Summer is great as well, if you take the waterfront trail that leads you up near Laval University.
Montreal I found to be a dirty, run-down, past its prime city that looks like it could of been dragged out of the worst parts of the Rust Belt. Horrible traffic as well.
Rate my list of 4 underrated and overrated places to see in Canada btw.
Underrated: 1. Niagara Falls (Yes it is a tourist trap but the whole region is great) 2. Quebec City (See above) 3. Moncton (What Montreal should of been, a beautiful city) 3.Charlottetown (PEI in general is amazing though) 4. Ottawa - Stereotyped as the boring city but there is a helluva lot to do and it's relatively quiet despite being the national capital.
Overrated 1: Montreal (See above) 2. Toronto (It is a souless concrete marketplace with terrible traffic and ethnic enclaves 3. Vancouver (Ungodly expensive, very high crime rates, not a lot to do) 4.Halifax (Not quite overrated but a lot of people say to visit for the waterfront but i'd honestly go to Charlottetown instead)
>>1116822
Yea, thank god all the tourists in Normandy are so amazing
>>1117116
Oh my god. How can one persons opinions be so fucking bad.
>>1117139
Seriously. Moncton? What the fuck? Niagara Falls being underrated?
Everything in the "overrated" section?
It has to be a troll.
>>1117265
To be fair, Toronto and Montreal are pretty terrible cities. Toronto is probably the worst first-world city I've ever been in.
>>1117116
side note: Vancouver and Melbourne are supposedly the best cities in the world all around.
>>1117311
>Vancouver and Melbourne
>the best cities in the world
The best cities in the world are NYC and London, mate.
>>1117314
NYC is shit, don't know about London.
>>1117328
It's shit too
The best cities are San Francisco and Tokyo
>>1117062
As if anyone in Ontario cares about Quebec either way. Only Westerners are capable of this kind of butt hurt.
>>1117310
>hurr durr minorities!
>>1117116
Niagara itself is shit. Niagara-on-the-lake and other little towns can be OK.
I'd agree Vancouver is overrated. Toronto and Montreal have their charms, and are worth visiting depending what you're looking for. Toronto is the better of the two, IMO. Considering how much vague hate it gets here (I assume by buttmad Canadians from small towns), it's thus probably underrated. I think it's easier to spend a longer time in Toronto. Montreal felt like it was stuck in the early 90s at best, and a lot of the city seemed quite grimy and dilapidated.
The Maritimes are nice to visit, but pretty shit to live in. And Moncton? Get real.
Maybe instead of just naming a city, you say what you like about it that makes it, in your opinion, the best.? Otherwise, this is just a "No You!" and "Stop liking what I don't like" thread, and not very interesting.
>>1117116
I rate your list a 0 out of 8.
Newfoundland is the only worthwhile part of Canada. That being said, Saint John's, Newfoundland is one of the best (town?) cities on earth.
>>1116969
Mont Tremblent. small town a few hours from montreal, small community, super french, but very nice.
If skiing, hiking, national parks, lakes and smalls towns are your thing, I highly recommend it.
>>1117468
Easiest place to get laid on the planet.
>>1117468
>Newfoundland
>worthwhile
LOL
sorry let me read that again...
LOL
>>1117354
I lived in Halifax for a year, and have spent the last 3 years of my life traveling to over 30 countries.
Halifax is one of my favourite cities ever to live in. Out of all of the places I've traveled, other nice cities to live in (I think) would be Bucharest, Hanoi, Singapore, Paris, Barcelona, in that order. The last three would be great if I were rich as fuck. The first two make me feel like I AM rich as fuck.
>>1117624
Traveling in a place and living there are two very different things. Halifax can be all right, if you actually have a job.
Really surprised at the Montreal hate. I was only there for a week but really loved it and thought it was charming. As an American it definitely felt like I was in a different country, whereas if Toronto didn't have Tim Hortons everywhere I probably wouldn't even notice I was in Canada.
Went there with a French Canadian buddy. We smoked a joint in an alleyway (when in Rome) and I don't really DUDE WEED LMAO these days so I was baked out of my head. Walked around looking at all the cool European stuff (weird to see in North America). Really enjoyed it, despite getting a bit paranoid during the ferry ride where none of the other passengers were talking.
We saw a bunch of Japanese dudes all stood in one particular spot near the waterfront, looking up, so they could see a particularly nice view; some churches and old buildings going up the hillside with the castle at the top. We took their spot after them. Good view, well done Japanese dudes.
Then I ate some very greasy poutine from a fast food joint and had a few beers to straighten out.
10/10 would do again.
>>1117352
Oh shut up Zhang, nobody is more butthurt than you guys.
>>1117781
...well, maybe the Muslims.
>>1116778
I live there, and all I can say is that english-speaking tourists are fucking cancer, who likes to show us their damage control, trying to act like they are superior. Especially american tourists, who are fucking dumb omg, we laugh at your stupidity. Don't ever comeback here again you losers.
>>1117767
That's more to do with your American hubris and ignorance, and not really Canada's fault.
>OMG they have shops and cars here?
>Where are all the dog sleds and igloos? I've been lied to!
desu, it's only clueless Americans who ever ARE impressed by Montreal.
>>1117780
>cool European stuff
Like all the Arabs and nigs everywhere?
As a European, I found Montreal an utterly (North) American city. French-speaking, yes, but otherwise thoroughly a product of the continent it's on. It has its charms, but is still over-rated.
>>1117838
Yeah it felt more like a small slice of NYC than Europe.
>>1117915
This, perhaps sans the falling apart bit.
You can do upkeep and preserve dat old feel
>>1117915
It's not even falling apart. If every city looked like Australian cities, Singapore and Houston and Charlotte, NC then I would just kill myself.
>>1116969
If you want the "city" experience, then probably Sherbrooke. It's pretty small but it's dirt cheap and there are lots of college students and bars. The Eastern Townships region is really nice too and it's not that far from Montreal. Otherwise Ottawa-Gatineau is a good bet. If you're looking for more outdoorsy shit then head up north to Gaspesie.
>>1117495
Mont Tremblant is good for skiing and hiking but it's super expensive and commercialized. The resort town is cheesy af - there are certainly nicer places in the Laurentians but it might be okay to check out for a day or two.
>>1117354
lol Montreal is much nicer architecturally than Toronto, I'm surprised you'd get that impression. Almost everywhere in Montreal is safe, can't say the same about Toronto.
>>1117834
Butthurt Torontofag detected. Face it, your city is exactly the same as any generic medium/large American city except there is nothing exceptional about it.
>>1117838
lol the visual minority percentage in Montreal is much lower than in Toronto and Vancouver, don't know what you're on about Arabs being everywhere. If you go to the hip neighbourhoods in Montreal it's like 85% white.
>>1117843
>>1117923
Very true
>>1117927
Same senpai, I feel bad for Australians and anglo Canadians
>>1117932
your a dorable
>>1117062
Why do you hate us so much Quebec? Jealous that the whole world loves us more than you?
>>1117838
More like jews and asians everywhere.
I was born and raised in Montreal and I love Quebec City. I went there with my gf recently and there was this bohemian neighbourhood near the city centre that was really awesome and had a good vibe. We went to this bar with amazing food and every dish was 5 bucks and the pints were cheap. Pretty nice city, felt like a small version of Montreal, but cleaner.
>>1117932
>Butthurt Torontofag detected
I'm the same Eurofag in >>1117838
My point is that Montreal is not 'more European'. Both Toronto and Montreal are equally American cities to me. Tonnes of immigrants, American-style urban planning (i.e. car-focussed), cheap building materials, looks/styles, etc... I liked both in different ways, though I wouldn't want to live in either. Still, Montreal is really not some sophisticated European outpost in savage Walmart-America (I guess for isolated Quebec people, that means 'the rest of North America'). I simply had more fun in Toronto, and I found it a better mix of old and new, varieties of things to do/eat/see, etc. North American cities aren't in the same league as European, but for what they are... Montreal is still worth visiting, but clearly past its prime and kind of a one-trick pony.
Slight tangent, but it's obvious Canadians are really insecure about their similarity to Americans. I guess that's why 'hurr durr you're American' is such an insult. It's quite sad, because you're all the same to me. Montreal and Toronto people, apart from perhaps language (and only for what, half of Montreal?), have a lot more in common IME than say some small town in between or on the east coast.
>>1118056
Interesting about the immigrants, I felt like there were more immigrants in Paris and Berlin when I visited them. Definitely many less immigrants in Montreal than Toronto. I'm doing my masters in urban planning and I'd definitely disagree with you about planning in Montreal. The city has a world-class transit system that is rivalled by only a few cities in North America, like New York. There are also a ton of cycling lanes and the city is pretty walkable. If you went out to the West Island or South Shore I'd see where you're coming from though lol I've been to a lot of cities in Europe and IMO Montreal crushes many of them, there's a reason why there's a mass exodus of young Canadian musicians and artists to Montreal.
Point taken about the insecurity about being similar to Americans. There are a lot of great places in the United States (Portland, Madison, NYC) but when I describe the typical American city I'm thinking of high crime, low culture, auto centric places and I feel like there's much more of a feel of that in Toronto. At the end of the day everyone perceives cities differently and if you prefer Toronto then I won't argue with you. I disagree with that very last bit though; I grew up in a small town, have lived in Western Canada, Montreal and now Ontario where the majority of my classmates are from Toronto. People from the GTA get a bad wrap and I'd say it's rightfully so.
>>1118105
>The city has a world-class transit system
lol. What locals actually think. Getting around the core is fine, sure, but I felt the same was true in Toronto for example. Bike lanes, walkability, etc also exists in other cities in Canada and the US (even if kinda lagging in North America in general). Apart from the use of French (which does NOT sound European), Montreal honestly did not feel all that different to other cities in Canada or the US I went to. Yes, every place is unique. I liked Montreal too, don't get me wrong, I just don't buy this whole "Oh la la, it's sooo European, unlike le shitty rest of zis continent" meme.
I think Canadians are similar to Australians in that Tall Poppy Syndrome is rampant. Anything 'too successful', 'too big' or 'too urban' is deemed alien (in this case, 'SO AMERICAN'). Do you realize what century you're living in and just how parochial and lame all the bitching makes you guys sound? It's one of the most off-putting things about Canadians. Imagine you go to the other side of the world to meet a person you've heard so much praise about, and when you get there, all that person is doing is whining and bitching about the little petty things their neighbour is doing which they do too. Christ!
A country's first 'big city' is the only place where people tend not to whine about other regions. I experienced the same thing (that I can specifically recall) in the UK, Australia, France, Germany, the US, Mexico and Russia.
>>1118118
Top kek, Montreal's transit system is third in terms of annual ridership, falling only behind Mexico City and New York, not to mention Montreal has 1/6th their population.
re: tall poppy syndrome - you touched on this, but it's how it is no matter where you go. I'm not too sure why you're singling out Canada. I went to Northern Finland a month ago and people were shit talking Helsinki.
Yes, there are petty regional politics in Canada but most people come together to hate Toronto. I have no beef with Calgary, Winnipeg or Vancouver but I would never opt to live in Toronto. It's easy to visit a city for a days and take in the highlights or what not, but Toronto has gained a shitty reputation for a reason.
>>1117745
Of course they are, but when I travel somewhere, I think to myself "How livable is this place?" and seek out information to answer that question.
>>1118122
Ridership ≠ 'world class transit system'
>Toronto has gained a shitty reputation for a reason.
I'd argue that reason is nothing other than it's the tallest poppy. Be specific now. I always see Canadians talking shit about Toronto on /trv/, but I've never ever seen anyone elaborate on concrete 'reasons' why. And don't tell me the generic things that apply in 100 other cities around the world (e.g. 'hurr durr too many niggers and bankers'.)
To me it just sounds like petty provincialism. Yea, it happens in a lot of places, and it's always butt-hurt whining.
>>1117838
OP's post is about Quebec City. That's where I was writing about.
>>1118183
I asked for specific reasons why Toronto (and its people) is supposed to be shit. You come out with an empty subjective statement about the '4th best subway in North America'. As I already said, ridership does not make it 'the best' or make Montreal 'world class'.
We are talking about that dinky thing with rubber tires, hideous stations, and red light advertising boards? It's like the technology of the 80s... TODAY! C'mon bro, get a grip. You're sounding a lot like one of the clichés hurled at Toronto people, that they have their heads up their asses and think they're the center of the universe.
>>1118183
>We have the 4th best subway in North America
Hrm, dunno where you get these crazy figures. I haven't seen a source that doesn't include light rail for suburban commuter connections or anything like a real "source" yet. I think you guys are like prideful or misreading some wikipedia.
How about DC?
"D.C.’s Metro is the No. 1 transit system in the nation. Yes, you read that right."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/tripping/wp/2016/02/24/d-c-s-metro-is-the-no-1-transit-system-in-the-nation-yes-you-read-that-right/
Enjoy the graphic. It's only US ranking, but if DC is #1 in the US, hard to think you'd ranked within the top 5 in N. America after they're done with Mexico DF and the top US cities. I love Toronto trains, and Canadian transit in general is clean and friendly run, but ratings are ratings that take more than pride and actual ridership into account.
>>1116778
"In many systems, transit serves as a citywide backup plan. It is used primarily by people who cannot afford to own a car or to drive. A smaller income gap reflects a system that provides an attractive option for all commuters."
This is why DC rules any other metro would rank high imho. You might not ride next to an actual target like a Senator, but you'll be next to people just as important to every career and profession in the metro area, no matter the income, from the very wealthy to the college student. It's clean, safe and contains passengers that aren't the down and out in society, but well dressed and behaved. It's a classy city in general. It's also a system that manages to be attractive for arrival unrumpled and fresh, no matter how hot or cool the weather.
>>1117624
>Halifax is one of my favourite cities ever to live in.
Visited the first time last year. It was like a big small town. It was cute, but I think I'd only like it with a great friends base. There wasn't that many restaurants and nightlife, or the arts. It's be a fantastic base for a nature type with unlimited weekend options.
I do like your list of perfect cities. I do that too when I travel, ranking them like that just in case of relocation. Like you said, there are a few wonderful places that would ONLY be livable at the highest of income, quite miserable quality of life without it.
>>1118199
Ok I'm sorry but your ignorance about transit systems doesn't mean I have my head up my ass. Montreal has OBJECTIVELY the 4th best rapid transit network in North America. Its the 3rd most used, has very high frequency and covers most of the urban area of the city of Montreal. The rubber tires increase passenger comfort and reduce noise compared to steel wheels, our stations are actually world renowned for their design (every station is unique and designed by a different artist) And the metro cars and interior signage will all be new by 2020. I'm sorry but the DC metro, SEPTA, BART, toronto subway and other systems are simply inferior to the Montreal metro. NYC and Chicago are superior because of their coverage and 24/7 service, Mexico metro is simply much more vast.
>>1118206
D.C. Metro is shit I'm sorry. It's more of a commuter rail service than anything else. Good coverage but lacks the passenger KM ratio of Montreal metro. 6 minute headway at peak? 12-20 minutes off peak? I wouldn't take the metro if it came every 20 minutes. Montreal metro is 1-3 minute peak and 12 minute maximum off peak (usually 6 minutes off peak) . And that is showing ALL public transit. I'm only talking about rapid transit which montreal has the 4th best network.
>>1118206
Montreal has higher public transit usage than Washington DC. And because of the two montreal metro lines that run under downtown that are directly connected to office buildings and shopping its used by lots of high income residents.
Anyone who's been to Toronto and Montreal know that one metro system is laughable and doesn't compare to European public transit while the other is expansive and more modern feeling.
>>1117831
See you in two weeks, mon ami
>>1118215
Woah calm down. Sorry, but you're wrong. Nothing you've said about other rail cities is true at all. You live somewhere the head of your transit is asked to step down for incompetence and failing ridership. And, nothing is unique about metro lines that open directly into shopping districts and office buildings. Stop being so loyalist and look at the facts. I'll take an electric third rail system over your smelly (and loud) tires and diesel engines clogging up my underground air quality. There are tradeoffs but you have to look at all of it if you want to get defensive, and very few installations use that idea at all anymore cept very short elevated (outside) trains, such as at airports to connect terminals.
>thread about specific canadian city
>turns into Montreal vs Toronto vs Vancouver shitflinging
Every goddamn time.
>>1118244
Sorry, but Edmonton is shit.
and Fort McMurry is toast.
>>1118215
>toronto subway and other systems are simply inferior to the Montreal metro.
lel
Kanye? Is that you? Did you relocate to Montreal and start working for the metro system?
Even IF Montreal has objectively the 4th best rapid transit network in North America (which you have not proven, least of all not by simply by switching to the adjective 'objectively'), still... so what? It would be one point. It's still Montreal as an entire place we're talking about, and it's still utterly American (which is what started this debate).
>>1118244
To be fair, it seems Vancouver's not really involved this time.
>>1118244
Montrealers can't get enough attention, always shitposting about how their city beats any other region, especially when it's in a QC thread
>>1118276
I'm born and raised in Montreal and I fucking hate this place.
The only way I could see people liking it aside from total delusion is if they are New Yorkers badly in need of strip clubs.
>>1118277
>The only way I could see people liking it aside from total delusion is if they are New Yorkers badly in need of strip clubs.
That could apply anywhere else in the province desu
If you can see anything positive from that, I can tell you that you have GOAT restaurants (maybe too much of them, but still)
>>1118241
lmfao its an electric system using 3rd rail, your ignorance is showing.
I've ridden the NYC subway, Toronto subway and SEPTA. The Montreal metro has better coverage than both Toronto and Philadelphia's rapid transit systems despite being a smaller city. Also higher overall usage. Higher rider comfort, better headways, nicer station environment. And by 2020 the montreal metro car fleet will be completely replaced.
>nothing unique
Yes but Montreal has the largest underground network of commercial and officer space in the world. Our rapid transit is far more useful to Montrealers than the vast majority of cities in North America.
>>1118269
Montreal is the *most* European major city in North America, but that doesn't mean much in North America. Quebec city is more European than Montreal.
>>1118310
>has better coverage than both Toronto and Philadelphia's rapid transit systems despite being a smaller city.
DUURRRR. "Despite"? Think about that for a moment. It's easier for smaller cities to cover more of themselves with rail networks. A city's bus and tram networks (perhaps ferries, funiculars, etc) are also part of public transit system.
>Montreal is the *most* European major city in North America
Complete and utter hogwash. Even Quebec City is still pretty American. Paris, Belgrade, Lisbon or Helsinki are European cities -- they're in Europe. Quebec City is nothing like them despite its wettest dreams.
>>1118327
>Paris, Belgrade, Lisbon or Helsinki are European cities -- they're in Europe.
Oh please, you know perfectly well what OP meant.
>>1118328
Yea, and that's precisely the point: it's total bullshit.
Hey, my friend is flying to canada and i'm making him super paranoid about him getting bum-rushed at the customs/border control... Am i making this up, or are they actually strict as a mf out there?
>>1118700
Canadian customs are all right. Better than TSA but that isn't saying much.
>>1118700
Depends where the 'friend' is from and what he/she looks like. Also, how much cocaine, C4 and granulated tiger penis is in his anus.
>>1116969
If you're more of a nature-lover, I would highly recommend going to Gaspé.
>>1117468
Newfoundland is straight up the best place on planet earth
>>1118276
Lived in montreal almost my whole life. It's an ok city, not perfect by any means. You could go from places that look like Detroit to french back alleys.
It's safe if you don't fuck around with people. It's fun if you have friends. Cold AF. Streets are a mess, wish people were more educated when it comes to littering. Potholes. Construction. Bad drivers.
Chicks are hot tho. Overall an ''Ok'' city. Haven't been to Vancouver but desu, Toronto is relatively the same just with a different flavour.
>>1118854
nice try, Newf.
>>1118878
For me, Heart's Desire is in Newfoundland.
>>1117116
4chan contrarianism wrapped in one little terrible post
Worst thread I've seen in /trv/
