Who else wants to get out of the USA?
this country is a blight on the world, hatred towards intellectuals, love of money over man, and a corrupt government run by corporations.
Planning to move to Germany or Scandinavia after getting my degree in Stats and English, hopefully teach something along those lines, find a Nordic waifu, and have a cozy family life.
Anyone else done this? Anyone else want to do this? How difficult is this to do?
Really difficult if you don't get the degree first, those countries don't want to pay for an Americans education if they aren't sure you won't use it for them. They educate their own to help their respective country, on that side note you're right about America and you have my pity
>>1050147
What if I don't want to study there, and rather just live and work there?
>>1050145
Oh boy, we haven't had a self-hatin' scandiboo in these parts a real long while.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Notice how that doesn't say running away like a pussy. Why don't you try to improve your own country first scurrying away?
>>1050154
Because the task is not for me, I'm no politician, leader, or revolutionary, it's just not in me
Swede here.
Check out your projected salary. You wont like it. Im studying engineering and will get the fuck out of here after my free masters degree. Engineers earn roughly $3500/month after graduation, which is $2000 after taxes
>>1050162
High taxes aren't an issue if they actually benefit the people, in the us the dollars go to the corporations
>>1050163
>le edgy american
>>1050154
>Notice how that doesn't say running away like a pussy.
It also did not say not to run away like a pussy.
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>>1050145
I go on /pol/ all the time, and yesterday there was a thread about an American guy who wanted to move to Russia >55477063
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. There are a lot of problems with Germany and Scandinavia right now with things like immigration, police state, and lack of free speech.
I wouldn't say that the US hates intellectuals, maybe in your city, but not usually in big Democrat controlled cities. If you want a German/Scandinavian feel, then there are a lot of cities and towns in the Northern US like in Michigan, Wisconsin, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon that feel a lot like Northern Europe. America is a huge place and there are a lot of European feeling towns where you can enjoy your freedom, people value each other, and you can get a decent job and a peaceful life.
Pic related, Leland, MI. A small fishing town.
>>1050184
>>>/pol/55478729
I don't really know how to link posts. I'll try again. >>55477063
>>1050145
Yup. Really tired of the overall paranoia of the US. I was in Canada a month ago and my dad told me that "anything can happen outside the US," which is true, it wasn't necessarily bad advice, but anything can happen in the US as well.
I don't assume living somewhere else is automatically going to be 'better' though. I haven't done enough research into living somewhere else yet to make the move, and I feel like making a visit (a week +) to whatever location you are planning to move before actually going there is probably a good idea.
>>1050145
I do.
The one thing I will miss about the US is the free refills and barbecue, but since none of those things are good for me anyway that's not enough to keep me here.
Wouldn't mind living in Canada, Switzerland, France, Singapore, or Australia. I've visited all these places and loved them.
>Notice how that doesn't say running away like a pussy. Why don't you try to improve your own country first scurrying away?
I used to be like this, then I realized that not everyone is suited to that task
While obesseddion of ones country and thinking its the best in the world with no flaws is ignorant, the opposite is also stupid.
In fact hating your own country and saying its the worst thing ever is probably more ignorant. op needs to grow up.
America, or any country, is neither perfect nor without merit
Do not feed, guys.
>>1050145
Haven't really seen an edgy self-hating American of this kind since the Bush years. Baby watch his first Michael Moore movie yesterday? Funny how your Amerifat caricature in that picture is carrying a food stamp, and the Nordic countries are some of the biggest welfare states in the world.
>>1050224
>Nordic countries are some of the biggest welfare states in the world.
In the sense that they provide a decent amount of welfare for those who need it yes, but not in the sense that there are that many people who need it as unemployment is typically low and wages livable
If you move to Sweden or Germany you will still find something to complain about, whether it be government policy or social mores. Also, good luck living your
>cozy family life
in countries where women are highly career-oriented and birth rates are among the world's lowest.
>>1050230
>very high taxes
>free healthcare
>free university for everyone
>everyone guaranteed a basic pension
I'd say it's a little beyond "a decent amount for those who need it." It's pretty comprehensive.
I am an American I agree with universal healthcare though I don't agree with university being free for everyone. At least not in America. No way. Although I do think the price of university education needs to come down in a big way.
>>1050257
personally I'm a fan of free universities but even if you aren't you'd be insane to advocate the current US status as exemplary
a good college costs tens of thousands of dollars a year and can go in the hundreds for a standard degree and the only way to avoid it is either being like top 1% academically, having very rich parents or paying off student loans till your 40s
>>1050261
The problem is people like to sit back and say 'let the market decide what college should cost' but the major assumption there (that buyers have perfect information) is seriously flawed. Young people (primary market for tertiary education) don't have anywhere near the information they need to make a good decision on their future.
On a philosophical level charging exorbitant fees for tertiary education stifles upward mobility and entrenches inter-generational inequality. That goes against one of the key principles the USA was (supposedly) founded on.
>>1050261
>personally I'm a fan of free universities but even if you aren't you'd be insane to advocate the current US status as exemplary
And I'm not. I just said the cost needs to come down in a big way. Free university for all is bogus though because there are too many dipshits in college to begin with who shouldn't be there. In the US, it's something that has come to be expected of young people so everyone just kinda goes, without direction. I don't believe in an increased taxpayer burden so that someone can study art or Women's Studies. And I don't believe in free college for STEMfags either, because STEMfags can get jobs and pay off their debts with their degrees.
>>1050271
>there are too many dipshits in college to begin with who shouldn't be there. In the US, it's something that has come to be expected of young people so everyone just kinda goes
Bingo. And there you have the reason why college in the US is too expensive -- demand is unreasonably high. Limiting college/university to the top 25% of HS graduates would go a long way to making the situation better. Euthanization would go a long way, too, particularly with people like OP, although I realize he's young, stupid, and naive. So I'd be willing to give him 2 or 3 years, tops, to get his head out of his ass before putting him to sleep.
>>1050154
>>1050328
>Limiting college/university to the top 25% of HS graduates would go a long way to making the situation better.
That's of course extreme. In addition to the math not really working out, how would you enforce it. In a free society, we're really going to say, sorry, you're not allowed to pursue more education for yourself because the state has deemed you too stupid?
What needs to happen is that universities need to get cheaper, as I said. That's all. Basing the cost of tuition on the degree course is not a bad idea. STEM degrees and finance, accounting, etc. are more expensive degrees than say Family Studies or Music. Capping in-state tuition for state universities should happen. But of course this almost impossible because this is left up to the states and not the federal government. So there wouldn't be uniformity.
The Federal Student Loan system needs to change too. It's well-intentioned but there needs to be more restrictions as far as access to this loan money and I think there should be more scrutiny and more of an application process. As it stands, any 23-24 nimrod who wants to go to some crap law school can just borrow $150k of taxpayer money pretty much no questions asked.
>>1050328
>Limiting college/university to the top 25% of HS graduates would go a long way to making the situation better
yeah that'll do
>be me, have a friend
>has to redo a year in high school, twice actually
>goes to uni studying something that actually interests him
>starts a company
>mfw he's a billionaire now
I know he's not your average Joe that fucks up high school and still goes to college, but limiting access to college/uni isn't a solution
>>1050145
I left the U.S and currently live in Vietnam, I like it a lot better here and am probably going to live here for the rest of my life.
It wasn't that difficult to do, I just went here for vacation and got offered a decent paying teaching job, now I have a much better paying job. I have a gf and my own nice apartment, life is pretty good here, I'm like never stressed anymore.
Anyway if anyone has any questions lemme know.
>>1050145
I am Norwegian ill happly trade place with you to get out of this socialist shithole
then you can feel how it is to pay 2-3 dollars for a liter of gasoline and Free subpar healthcare if you do not live in the capital
ohh and not to mention those extreme apartment rents these days and shrinking job marked
Good luck with the Aryan dream women thing since they either are dumb party sluts or high strung university rats
or psyco bitches that lit your car on fire for forgetting to buy them a IKEA table
I've been contemplating leaving as well, maybe I'll jump between teaching in Japan, China, and Korea or something. I just can't stand how stupid and entitled this country has become. Slacktivism and radical social justice is super annoying and my wife and I just don't want to be around it any more.
>>1050145
>>1050733
Fuckin' lol. The grass truly is greener...
>>1050734
>I just can't stand how stupid and entitled this country has become. Slacktivism and radical social justice is super annoying and my wife and I just don't want to be around it any more.
So you're going to bounce around in part in a country (China) with serious human rights violations and real state limits on freedom of thought and expression instead. And somehow that's something you'd rather be around?
And if those are your only reasons for leaving, because the "SJWs are annoying" then you truly are privileged. If yo don't like that kind of shit you can leave Portland or Berkeley you know.
>>1050271
>>1050328
>>1050372
>>1050374
The number of people graduating (or dropping out) with useless degrees is a huge part of the problem. The less recognized problem is how college's waste money. My public State college has a huge gym/workout complex, a movie theater, a bowling alley, various pools/Jacuzzi's and probably a bunch of other stuff that is not directly related to education. Then there are way to many overpaid officials, administrators, deans, vice presidents, officials, etc...
>wtf was this thread about?
>>1050739
>no social justice
>likes hard work
China sounds like a perfect fit.
>>1050145
Argentina. Im there now. which means i'm here. tourist visa for 10 yrs from the states costs $160, just need to leave the country for a day every 3 months to renew. hope you like economic instability tho.
>>1050734
>bitches about people becoming stupid and entitled
>wants to move to Japan or Korea
>the irony, it burns
>>1050148
It is notoriously hard to immigrate to EU/Scandanavian countries. You basically have to have skills that no one else in the EU/Scandinavian countries have.
>>1050372
>we're really going to say, sorry, you're not allowed to pursue more education for yourself because the state has deemed you too stupid?
Sure, why not? It would certainly incentivize people to do well in HS. And those that don't can go into manual labor and service industries, where they belong.
>>1050374
>limiting access to college/uni isn't a solution
If you want to decrease the cost of university, it is the only real solution.
>>1050740
>The number of people graduating (or dropping out) with useless degrees is a huge part of the problem.
Agreed. And the reason why so many have useless degrees is that there are too many of them going to college. All the non-curricular stuff you cite (swimming pools, theaters, etc.) and the huge administrative numbers and salaries are a direct result of enrollment bloat.
>wtf was this thread about?
Making fun of naive 12-year-olds, wasn't it?
>>1050773
>If you want to decrease the cost of university, it is the only real solution.
Not really. Cut the glutted administration. Cut the tenure system, etc. etc. Make undergrad 3 years. I really does not need to be 4.
>>1050776
>I really does not need to be 4.
In your case, I'd say it does. You could use the extra year to learn how to spell, plus study basic economics.
Moving to a different country in hopes of escaping your problems doesn't mean that you won't encounter any when you get there.
Yes, there is certainly corruption in our government and our influence is generally negative overseas, but who honestly gives a crap about that? If anyone did, there would've been a great change to fix that already. Does this truly affect your life in any significant way? Does it actually present an actual god damn valid reason to leave? As long as it doesn't, then there's really no reason then.
Besides, why even bother starting completely over when you're already well-established here? Emigrating is not as easy as it sounds in most cases.
Go out on a road trip and really delve into what your own damn country has to offer. Its a massive place, home to over 300 million diverse people and geographies. You may actually find something to love about your home, wether it be a city, a national park, or even a restaurant
>>1050729
How'd you get offered the job? Who offered it? What do you teach?
>>1050778
Dude, come on. No need to get like that. Would you actually have said that to his face if you were having this discussion in real life? He's not even taking a combative or insulting tone. Stop being an internet tough guy.
>>1050786
Most likely ESL. ESL jobs in Vietnam can be readily found on the internet. Just look on Dave's ESL cafe or something
>>1050154
>implying 1 person can dig America out from the shithole that it's currently in
>>1050740
>in college
>still doesn't use the correct "to" and "too"
>merica
>>1050787
You're overreacting, don't you think? IRL I'd tell him the same thing -- basic economics dictates that excessive demand causes prices to rise.
>>1050791
>Spots one spelling mistake
>Uses it to disparage an entire continent's education system
>Fails to recognize several other major grammatical errors
>urope
>>1050801
>IRL I'd tell him the same thing -- basic economics dictates that excessive demand causes prices to rise.
This is not the same as saying "hurrrr learn to spell!"
>>1050802
1. IRL we'd be speaking so I'd hardly have a chance to check his spelling;
2. What I posted was nowhere close to "hurrrr learn to spell!," and even if it was there's plenty worse ITT you'd be better off focusing your attention on;
3. This conversation is getting rather stupid; let's stop having it.
>>1050810
>This conversation is getting rather stupid; let's stop having it.
Agreed, but now that I think of it, what was his spelling error anyway? "I doesn't have to be 4?"
Typing "I" instead of "it" is not a spelling error, that's called a typo, dude.
>>1050776
STEMfag reporting. My degree in 3 years would probably end up killing me once you factor in the whole "life" thing.
