>>1038146
How easy/hard it is to find a job there for an English teacher? What kind of degree you need to apply for a job there as an English teacher? In which city are you working in? Do you need to be fluent or half decent in Japanese to work there?

>>1038153
It's pretty easy if you have a bachelors degree and are white. I have a B.A in English, but you can have a degree in anything to get a job. I work in Osaka. No you don't need to know Japanese, in fact most employers will ask you not to speak any Japanese when you are at work if you happen to know how to.

>>1038146
What's your pay? What are your hours/benefits etc

Do you have plans to do anything more in life/Japan than teach English?

Are you a weeb? (please say no)

>>1038155
I make about 290,000 yen a month, I work 5 days a week 8am-4pm, I have full benefits, Medical, Dental, 21 vacation days plus I don't work in the summer. Its a pretty good job.

I'm considering getting my masters so I can teach at a University, but I haven't made a decision yet.

And no I'm not a weeb, I never even read any manga until I got here.

>>1038156
not bad

how do the people view you as?
how easy are the ladies?

also whats up with the fueiho law? i love dancing & clubbing & drugs while doing those two activities...how fucked is japan in these regards?

these are just curiosities - i prob. wont ever move/teach/live in japan or visit (:(((( least not for a while)

>>1038157
How do people view me as? I don't know, Everyone is nice and friendly. I guess they see me as the white guy, I never had any bad experiences with Japanese people. The women are just like the women in any other modern country, some like foreigners and some don't. There are easy girls that you can fuck after the first date and there are some who are much less easy. Basically just like the women in any other 1st world country, a different variety of personalities.

I have never heard of the law you are talking about so I had to look it up, apparently this law was barely enforced anywhere and Japanese parliament last year voted to remove it because of the 2020 Olympics. Japan has a wide variety of laws that make no sense, they were all written in the late 40's early 50's and nobody has bothered to change them. The prostitution and pornography laws are the most notable of these. Dicks and vaginas need to be pixelated, oral and anal sex with a prostitute is legal but vaginal sex is not. Drug laws are also crazy, getting caught with even a tiny amount of weed can put you in jail for 6 months to 2 years.

>>1038146
Are you a massive weeb?

>>1038167
Nah

>>1038169
>been there 4 years
>I'm gonna stay forever!
>not a weeb

Come on, man. How can you love Japan that much if you're not a weeb, tbh.

>>1038146
I assume you are a JET person?

290,000 for a public school job as you described could only be JET, no?

>>1038146
is your name dillon?

>>1038171
I'm really not, I never read a manga til I got here and the only anime I every watch was pokemon. But yeah I do really like Japan though. I drink beer and watch football on the weekend, I'm a real American.

>>1038173
No I've never worked for JET, I answered a job ad and interview directly for the school I work for.

>>1038146
thanks for doing this OP:

I am planning on doing a study abroad in Japan in my junior or senior year of college, and was wondering if you knew anything about colleges in Japan - do a lot of professors speak english? do a lot of students speak english?

Also, did you go to Japan by yourself or with people you know? If by yourself, was it kinda awkward going by yourself or was it okay? like did you just do your job then go back home for the first few months or whatever? Do you have any friends in Japan? Are they all gaijin teachers or have you made any Japanese friends as well?

>>1038175
No.

>>1038179
Through Gaijinpot or something? Describe your application process. You were in Japan before you got your first job?

>>1038180
I'm not too familiar with colleges in Japan. I would ask whoever in your college is organizing the study abroad program. Most Japanese people do not know much English, but on college campuses there will be quite a lot of students who are studying English and would love to speak with a native speaker, so you should have no problem finding English speaking Japanese friends.

I went to Japan by myself, it was sort of awkward at first but I had traveled to more than 25 other countries since I was a teenager so I was use to being in a foreign country. What helped me a lot was before I arrived in Japan I was communicating with some Japanese college kids on Interpals, I met up with a few of them in my city and they helped me out alot by showing me around and helping me get settled. I have like a dozen gaijin friends and many Japanese friends as well. A lot of gaijins are assholes to other gaijins but most are alright.

>>1038183
Yeah I arrived in Japan on a tourist visa, I started answering job ads on daveseslcafe and gaijinpot. I went to 3 interviews and got an offer from all of them. The school converted my tourist visa into a work visa and I started working within 3 weeks of arrival.

>>1038186
How did you get an interview with a public school without knowing Japanese?

Outside of JET I thought direct board of education hires for Japanese public schools were incredibly rare and if you get one you have to be very good at Japanese.

>>1038188
I should clarify, it is very easy to get a job with a public school in Japan but most people who aren't JET go through dispatch companies and their salaries are much lower than 290,000 because the dispatch company takes a cut of their salary.

>>1038188
I have never heard of this? I heard in South Korea that is true but in Japan public schools hire people directly all the time, and yeah the principle spoke broken English.

>>1038189
Just go look at daveseslcafe, there are quite a few job ads directly from the school.

>>1038190
>>1038191
I used to work in Korea.
South Korea used to have an extensive Ministry of Education hiring scheme called GEPIK and EPIK. They are both still around to some extent though severely downsized due to budget cuts. Granted this was not the same as getting hired directly by the school itself, but I think unlike the dispatch companies in Japan they don't gouge the employee for a huge part of salary every month, they just pay the recruiter a one time fee then there's no more middle man like with Japan.

Did you time your hire at the start of the school year or semester?

Anyway I ask because I'm on vacation right now in America but I'm living in Japan on a 3 year visa and I'll be looking for work when I return. I'd like to just do part time for a while because I want to focus on improving my Japanese ability.

I worked at an Eikaiwa for a year and a half. But I'd like to move to public school obviously. Interac hired me for this semester, but they tried to make me live in Hachioji, and yeah, nah.

Anyway, I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled on the job board... I was under the impression direct school hires were quite rare. I think even Donald Ash said that on his "Japan Guy" blog. At any rate, thanks for the tip.

If your ass got hired without a visa and no experience, than I imagine I should be okay.

>>1038193
Yeah I got hired a few weeks before the school year started. As long as you have a bachelors, are white, and dress alright for your interview, you will find a job.

>>1038146
Thanks for doing this, OP!

I knew a few people who taught in Japan, and all of them stopped at 10 years. Never got the chance to ask why, so was wondering if there was usually some sort of limit tied to it.

Also, how easy is it (or do you think it would be) to transition into staying there permanently? Do you just keep doing it, or are there more steps involved?

>>1038197
>>1038197
No there is limit to working here. Most people who teach English either stay for a few years, get tired of it or want to earn more money and move back to their home country. Or they get married to a Japanese girl and stay here forever, most eventually become citizens.

I don't know what you mean by transition to stay here permanently. You get more accustom to living here the longer you stay, you pick up more and more of the language, get more Japanese friends, get married possibly, and eventually it just feels like home.

>>1038196
what is dressing ''all right'' for an interview in Japan?

Jacket and tie?

>>1038200
He probably means how to acquire a visa to stay there, as in, are there limitations for them granting a visa to you to teach english?

Things like that.

>>1038173
290000, according to google, is about 2,5k USD.

Seems pretty low for a monthly wage tbh dude, I'm Brazilian and I make more than that as a software developer (bloated field here atm).

How are living expenses in Osaka?

Also - have you been to Kyoto? can't you teach there? I've heard it's a fantastic city.

>>1038200

Sort of meant legally. Like, do I need to get a certain type of Visa, mess with declaring citizenship, etc? Or is it just a matter of not leaving?

>>1038202
The same shit you would wear to work. Work casual.

>>1038205
I just get my work visa renewed every year, after you've been here for like 5 years and speak the language fluently you can get citizenship if you want it. Usually people do this after they get married because if your married to a Japanese citizen the citizenship procedure is a lot more simpler.

>>1038208

Gotcha. Thanks again!

>>1038204
Its a pretty average wage for Japan, It's more than enough to save money and live comfortably. Living expenses are really fair, much cheaper than in Tokyo. I live with my girlfriend and she works full time so together we have enough money to live very comfortably and go on vacation twice a year.

>>1038204
Oh yeah, I've been to Kyoto, It's really cool. But I really like Osaka so I'm gonna live here for now.

>>1038210
Seems like a cozy life mate.

I'd like to work in Japan but I think it's simply not possible in my case.

I don't have a degree in linguistics so I don't think they'd ever hire me for teaching english, and why would they when they can hire a native speaker lol...

Also, seeing as the Japanese probably think very low of Brazilian software developers, I don't have any field I could get into there...

I just wish I could work there for some time, Japan seems like a very safe place to be, besides having so much history.

What's your favorite city there?
If you don't mind me asking, how did you meet your GF there? is she also japanese?

Also - how proficient are you in japanese?

>>1038213
Yeah to teach in Japan you basically need to be a native English speaker and have a passport from an English speaking country like U.S.A, Canada, U.K, Australia etc. Sorry about that.

I don't have a favorite city really, I love Tokyo and Osaka, I would live in Tokyo but rent is very expensive there.

My girlfriend is Japanese, I tutor college kids in the summer and I was introduced to her by a student I was tutoring. She went to college in Australia for 2 years so she speaks English very well. I can speak basic conversational Japanese, the language is pretty difficult but I get better at it every year.

>>1038214
That's nice to hear mate.

Any tips on what to visit when in Osaka?

Anyway, I'll be going to bed right now but thanks for all of the info, I wish you all of the best!

>>1038215
There is a shit ton to do here, Dontobori, Osaka Castle Park, Univeral studios. etc.

>>1038146
You mentioned you wanted to get a masters to teach a university level.

How much have you looked into that? I have a masters degree, and I am interested in teaching, but I'd rather teach adults and not children. I am American (and white) if that makes any difference. Also I don't have prior English teaching experience.

Is it possible to get a teaching job that teaches adults?

>>1038220
Yeah there are many english centers around that teach specifically adults, usually business men.

If you want to teach at a university you need at least a masters plus like 3-5 mimimum years experience. Many universities want you to have some published something as well.

>>1038223
I've thought about heading to Japan to teach adults. I wouldn't mind teaching at a public school either, but I have issues with the Co Teacher thing. Could you recommend any programs for teaching adults?

I think I would probably have to work for dispatch company at first, then I could transition to something like what you have. I have heard getting a position at a public school is really competitive though, are you saying that isn't true?

>>1038413
I don't know what you mean about having a issue with a co-teacher, if you could explain more I might be able to help you. I can't really recommend any programs for teaching adults since I never taught adults besides freelance tutoring college kids. Just go to gaijinpot and daveseslcafe and look for some job ads.

Getting a job at a public school is more competitive than it was 10 years ago, and it will countinue to get more competitive as the years go on, but still if you have a bachelors and are white you are almost guaranteed to find a job. If you have no experience and know tefl certificate you might have to settle for a school in some shit city though.

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>>1038146
did you got the chance to fuck one of the students?

>>1038417
I mean having a teacher with you in the class wile you teach the whole time. I usually don't mind, but the odds of having a bad coworker on your back for every class are too great for me to want to take the chance.

I wouldn't mind being in a shit city. I would prefer to get somewhere near the coast. The thing is I keep hearing that ESL in Japan is dead and they are slowly making the working conditions worse and worse to the point that it isn't even worth it. You are giving a more positive view though, so I might look into it again.

Thanks for doing this.

My question is rather simple. I'd love to teach english in Asia (preferably Vietnam, South Korea or Japan) but I'm not a native english speaker and I do not have a university degree. Is there any chance of me finding decent work in any asian country?

I'm german, spent the past 2 years travelling and would consider my english language skills to be perfectly fine and I have very little to no accent. Living in Australia for a year most people thought I was irish so my english should be just fine for the job.

>>1038424
Basically every teaching job will have a co-teacher with you, usually it is a Japanese person who speaks English, this person is necessary to help translate to the students. They really don't "teach" with you, they mostly stay in the back and if I ever need something translated I signal to my co-teacher to translate, she also helps gets the class organized and keeps them under control (I teach kindergarten.) But yeah no matte what age group you are in you will almost definitely have another adult with you.

It's definitely not dead here, in fact many schools are desperately trying to fill teaching jobs weeks before class starts, and the working conditions are depended on where and who you work for, My teaching conditions are fine.

>>1038154
>and are white
really?
i'm indian from the uk and plan on getting a masters soon, can teaching in nip still be my back up plan?

>>1038430
*my

>>1038427
South Korea and Japan are out of the question, you absolutely need a bachelors degree and a passport from an English speaking country.

In countries such as Vietnam, Cambodia and Myanmar it is possible to find a job teaching without being a native speaker or having a bachelors. The problem with this is that it will be very hard to find a job and even if you do the job will be in the shittiest schools in the shittiest locations. Also you will be making barely enough to get by, you will basically be living in poverty. Also if the police catch you doing it and your employer doesn't bribe them, you will be arrested and deported. I highly recommend you do not do this.

>>1038430
You can get a job if you are not white, I know one black woman who teaches here. But it will be harder to find a job since whiteness is very desirable here. If a white person and a non white person are applying for the same job the white person will almost definitely get the job even if the non white person has better qualifications.

That being said, it is still not impossible to find a job here if you really try, you just have to be patient and it might take a while until you finally get a job.

>>1038434
ahh thanks for the info man, hopefully japs prefer curry over watermelon then.

>>1038427
There are speckles of German stuff i see sometimes
http://www.goethe.de/ins/th/en/ban.html
>>1038146
For non white American/brits/Canucks how long do you think we should prepare to be jobless
like have enough money to survive x amount of months

>>1038146

How much are you making exactly? You know TEFL is a deadend career, right?

Look at Ryan Boundless and how miserable he is to get a glimpse of your future if you decide to stay. He's been teaching in Japan for 15 years and he is one sad motherfucker. I don't even think he makes more than $3,000 a month.

>>1038428

What is teaching in Japan like? Do you have to be really active and act all goofy with the kids, or is it more serious lesson planning and learning

>>1038530
>>1038530
>I don't even think he makes more than $3,000 a month.
Not OP, but I think about this a lot. One of my other options in life is to teach English in the USA, but I think I would just prefer to teach overseas. 3k isn't that much, but it's about the same as any other lower middle class job in the USA and if you are prudent you could live about the same lifestyle.

Most of the people that really enjoy TEFL really aren't posting video blogs or even posting on forums on a regular basis. The idea that your life in Japan is somehow worthy of a mini series would be an indication you are exaggerating how much fun it will be, which will probably lead to depression.

What if I don't expect to get rich, get laid every other day with a different girl, get famous, or have Japanese people give a shit when I show up?

Thanks for making the thread OP.

Just got my degree and a TEFL cert (I felt like it was a shitty waste of money in terms of the class, but as far as I can tell none of the other programs are any better, my friend did CELTA and it was actually worse).

My main goal is to end up teaching in Japan, starting with the next school year after this upcoming one (going to spend the next 6 months teaching in South America, if all goes to plan).

I'm going to ask a lot of questions, so sorry if this is overwhelming. But my plan in life is actually to more or less mimic what you've done (although I also plan to continue/advance private creative work while in Japan, so ideally the rest of my life isn't just teaching).

Would you recommend showing up in Japan on a tourist visa and getting work like that, instead of applying while overseas? Would you advise someone to actually make long-term plans based on the possibility of landing a job on a walk-in interview, fresh off the plane?

JET is generally described as competitive - I think I could get it, but why take an unnecessary risk? And I don't like the idea of some middleman taking my pay if I apply via a corporation.

How hard is it to manage classes? I'm kind of socially awkward - not full asspergs or anything, but pretty bad until I get settled into a new environment. The main thing I'm worried about is messing up my first impression around the students re: teaching presence, and having to manage a bunch of unruly bastards who think they can fuck with the gaijin for the rest of the term.

How much will a degree in linguistics from a prestigious university help me in getting a job? What about a 100-hour TEFL cert?

I'm considering moving there myself.

Is there any job available that isn't teaching? I work in IT and working on my N5 right now -.-

>>1038208
Is your Visa yearly validity? You have to get it renewed by an employer right?

>>1038597
Not OP but...


>Would you recommend showing up in Japan on a tourist visa and getting work like that, instead of applying while overseas? Would you advise someone to actually make long-term plans based on the possibility of landing a job on a walk-in interview, fresh off the plane?

Showing up on a tourist visa seems to be a successful option. OP did it, and I knew another girl who did that and was hired by a small mom and pop Eikaiwa School in Osaka that she likes. Make a plan financially and make sure everything is in order. I'd say if you go that route, make a plan to stay at a guesthouse for at least 2 months and make a couple Japanese friends off Interpals or Lang8 before you leave.

If you apply while overseas your options are basically, JET, Interac, and the big Eikaiwa schools. As for eikaiwa, if you go that route, don't consider anything but Aeon or ECC. ECC is actually a damn cushy job - 6 hour days, tons of vacation--Aeon can be fine depending on your manager and stuff, and has the highest pay in the Eikaiwa game basically, but it is a 9-10 hour day. As a last resort you could get hired by Berlitz or NOVA or something and then just quit and keep your visa. Finding jobs is much easier when you're here with a visa.

>JET is generally described as competitive - I think I could get it, but why take an unnecessary risk? And I don't like the idea of some middleman taking my pay if I apply via a corporation.

JET is competitive but it's not ridiculously difficult or anything. JET is a government program and thus there is no middleman. Also, be aware that JET means a good chance of being in the countryside, although they have increased the number of urban positions of late. Interac hires for public schools, but they will take some of your pay every month.

>>1038597
>How hard is it to manage classes? I'm kind of socially awkward etc etc...

If you are truly socially awkward you may want to consider not doing this. Generally, they want smiley outgoing people, or at least people who can fake it really well. I mean, it's ESL in Japan clearly there are tons of wormy spaghetti weeaboos here, but yeah. Based on my experience in Korea when I was at a public school, yes the classes are large and they can get noisy and difficult to manage sometimes. The students *will like you* if you're not a complete flake, but the level of formal respect they will have for you is generally quite low. Because you're the goofy gaijin and what's more, your class is barely graded. You have to realize that these kids--especially in Korea but also in Japan--bust their asses night and day studying intensely. They're going to look at your class as a opportunity to fuck around and relax.

If you think of them as "unruly bastards" though you've already lost. That is a bad mindset. There will be behavior problems even with a native co-teacher. Be sympathetic to their difficult situation, understand your position, and just act like an older brother. That's the best advice I can give. Give them a hard time. Poke fun at them light heartedly. If they did a shitty job on some work give em crap for it in a brotherly way. You will only build rapport in this way. The WORST thing you can do is be too pedagogical or in ANYWAY THINK YOU ARE A *REAL* TEACHER.

>How much will a degree in linguistics from a prestigious university help me in getting a job? What about a 100-hour TEFL cert?

Shouldn't matter much for Japan. Generally speaking the average Japanese isn't really aware of all the prestigious American universities except like Harvard. They've heard that name. So if you graduated from Harvard it might help, but otherwise it doesn't matter. And they don't give a shit what your degree was in, tbh m8.

Can I get a TEFL job teaching an online class? I have a fear of public speaking.

>>1038146

OP still around? Who have you worked for in the past 4 years? Have you stayed at the same place or moved around?

I'm guessing you work for Shane based on your picture (unless a clever ruse), but I'd like to hear your opinion of the eikaiwas you've worked for or heard about from other teachers in country.

Thanks.

>>1038723
Fucking lol, man. Just give it up.

>>1038735
OP already stated that he works for a public school.

>>1038735
>but I'd like to hear your opinion of the eikaiwas you've worked for or heard about from other teachers in country.

Not OP, but I can give you some insight into eikaiwa schools. I don't think OP has worked for eikaiwas.

Here's a brief rundown of some of the big eikaiwa schools.

ECC

By far the best option for eikaiwa work and it's not close, really. Also the most picky about who they hire.

(+) 6 hour work day. I repeat, 6 hour work day. 6.
(+) 7 weeks worth of paid vacation
(+) They have a fairly visible union for what its worth.
(+) They offer company health insurance in addition to the option of doing the national insurance, although they stress that you might as well do the national because it's basically just as good

(-) Generally speaking ECC teachers don't get consecutive days off. You'll have a day off in the middle of the week and then probably Sunday. It's a bummer not having a weekend block of time off, imho.
(-) Salary is lower than their biggest rival AEON, but still solid at 250,000yen. That's about what you'd get a public school ALT hired through a dispatch company.
(-) They do not offer a contract completion/severance bonus

>>1038723

There are a few online English teaching companies, but they still require you to not be shy, and basically act like a dancing monkey on coke or some shit.

I got rejected from one company because they thought I wasn't energetic enough or something. Meanwhile I thought I was being pretty loud and acting kind of gay. I honestly don't know where these slants got the idea in their head that you have to act like a fucking monkey on cocaine in order to teach English, but apparently it's a common thought process in all of East Asia, unless you're teaching in a public school or university.

tl:dr: you likely won't be hired for these shitty online English teaching companies if you're a reserved type, but they usually pay pretty low and you don't want to work for them anyway.

>>1038744

AEON

AEON is a distant second to ECC to work for, but can still be a solid option under the right circumstance. Full disclosure, I worked for AEON for a year and a half and had a largely positive experience, though there was a lot of crap.

(+) One school, no traveling.
(+) Basically the highest salary in the eikaiwa school game. 272,000 is starting and after a year you do get a sizable raise-- it goes up to about 290,000 if you can hack it there for more than a year. All things considered this is nice.
(+) Consecutive days off (usually Sunday and Monday)
(+) They offer a contract completion bonus

(-) Long hours. By contract it says 9 hours. In reality, your work day at AEON will be between 9.5 and 10. And this extra time is off the clock and you are not getting paid for it. (The extra time is basically the morning meeting + any prep time you want to give yourself, and at the end of the day doing things like calling absent students, taking out trash, doing self-study checks with students, etc..)

(-) AEON is very profit oriented and teachers are expected to be promoters and salesmen. It's a well known complaint online that AEON teachers have to sometimes hand out fliers at the subway station and shit. Yeah, I'd rather not, but I didn't find it so bad, especially on a nice day, it gives you some chance to be outside at least. What is bad are AEON's "Self Study Campaigns." Twice a year for a couple months, (at the low points of the year as far as sign ups and making money) you have to push unreasonably expensive study-at-home materials on your students and try to get them to buy them. This bullshit will consume your already incredibly busy schedule.

>>1038760
How is the interview process for AEON? How is the accommodation?

I feel like the deposit for an apartment is the biggest obstacle in Japan.

They do split shifts there?

I heard the hiring process for ECC is bullshit for the most part. I wouldn't care if they didn't only have the interviews in a few US locations, which means I would drive 5-6 hours with the possibility of being rejected for a tedious grammar test. I'm wondering if AEON does the same thing.

>>1038752
>I honestly don't know where these slants got the idea in their head that you have to act like a fucking monkey on cocaine in order to teach English

There is no place for petty racial insults here. Take it to /pol/ or even /int/. /trv/ is not that kind of board.

And if they're all just a bunch of "slants" why did you want to work over there with them in the first place? I would pay to see your interview and demo. I bet you were garbage. I bet you didn't smile, probably acted too cool for everything, and mumbled or talked too fast and just generally beta'd it up. So many people like that at my AEON interview.

To anyone who is curious, unlike what this petty racist piece of shit would have you believe, no, you do not have to act like like a "monkey on cocaine" to be hired by an eikaiwa school. What you do need to do is SMILE, and have a clear voice and project confidence and a pleasant attitude. Tons of betas like him apply to eikaiwas of course. And if they're rejected because they can't act like normies for a few hours, they get like this.

Shut up and do better next time, asshat.

>>1038763

The interview process for AEON is fairly stressful, to be honest. Well first you apply online. You fill out a form and write a short essay about why you want to live and work in Japan. Basically just don't make any grammar or punctuation mistakes and make sure it flows well and you should be fine. If you pass the application screen you'll be invited to an interview session. The interview session is one or two days depending on if you make the final cut.

Day 1 consists of basically just listening to the recruiters talk about AEON and then giving 5 minutes of like a 30 minute lesson that you create. The best advice I can give you for this part is that first impressions are really important. On my interview day, the recruiters were sitting outside of the conference room at a table with some pamphlets. Understand that the interview begins as soon as you make eye contact with the recruiters. Introduce yourself, engage them in a little conversation. This goes a long way. A lot of the betas just kept their heads down, grabbed the shit and walked inside.

When the recruiters are talking about AEON, just make sure to sit up and take notes. They are watching you during the videos and stuff. Ask them an innocuous question. Don't be edgy and ask them about negative shit you heard online and stuff. After the information session there is lunch.

After the lunch break you separate into groups and do your demo lessons for the recruiters. It's 5 minutes of presentation but you have to write a whole 30 minute lesson plan that you give to them. Anyway, after the demo lessons I think there's like an hour break where you can just go back to your hotel room and chill or whatever. Then everyone reports back to the conference. This part is like the Bachelor or something the recruiters will give you a sealed envelope with your name on it that tells you whether or not you made the second cut to come back for day 2. They tell you to open it in your room, and Day 1 is over.

>>1038774
>>1038774

Of course I made the cut. The letter inside congratulated me and told me my interview time.

Day 2 is much shorter and just consists of a 1 on 1 demo and interview with a recruiter.

My best advice for you if you make Day 2 is to simply breathe easy. Given my experience I think if you make it to Day 2 you've basically got the job unless you fuck up royally.

So, you go into the hotel room for a 1 on 1. First, you will be student the recruiter will be the teacher. You'll go through ten minutes of a lesson. Then, you will switch roles. The recruiter will be the student and you have to try to mimic what the recruiter did as best as possible. Honestly, I fucked this up and the recruiter was a hard ass about it, but I just remained calm and apologized and was honest about the fact that I was nervous. In retrospect it was not a big deal, and I think he was just being a hard ass to see how I dealt with pressure and being reprimanded. Again, I think with Day 2, as long as you keep your cool, you've got the job.

After the demo lesson, you'll just have a standard interview with standard interview questions. Then he'll ask you about your preferences like where you'd like to live, if you're okay teaching kids, etc. After that it's over. I got a call 5 days later saying I got the job.

>>1038763
>How is the accommodation
>I feel like the deposit for an apartment is the biggest obstacle in Japan.

AEON and ECC at least will take care of an apartment for you, so you don't have to worry about that. I can't complain about my apartment situation really. It was old and small, but it was enough space for me. My only complaint is the lack of a real kitchen (I had one little burner with basically no counter space) but that's just more the reality of a low cost bachelor pad in Tokyo than it is AEON's fault I think.

Split shifts are not a thing at AEON, at least for full time people. You work straight through. Your hours by contract are 12-9 though in reality it's more like 11:40 to 9:30ish.

>I heard the hiring process for ECC is bullshit for the most part. I wouldn't care if they didn't only have the interviews in a few US locations, which means I would drive 5-6 hours with the possibility of being rejected for a tedious grammar test. I'm wondering if AEON does the same thing.

Is ECC hiring in the US now? I did apply to ECC and was not hired. But I had to go to Toronto for my interview. I'm from the upper midwest so it wasn't so bad, but at the time, all North American hiring was being handled through Toronto so there was only one location. AEON holds regular sessions out of LA and New York and then periodically travels to places like Chicago, etc. for interview sessions.

The ECC grammar test is not easy, but it's not impossible either. It is designed to trick you though and make you look twice at questions and answers. Just study grammar and parts of speech online and commonly misspelled words before the test and you should be fine. I think I did fine on the grammar test. ECC's interview is all in one day, unlike AEON, and they do very small groups. At my AEON session it was like 25 people. My ECC session was me and 3 others.

I forgot to mention that AEON also has a grammar test, yes. But it's about 25 questions and no big deal. ECC's is 100.

>>1038703

Thanks.

>If you are truly socially awkward you may want to consider not doing this. Generally, they want smiley outgoing people, or at least people who can fake it really well.

I can fake it pretty well, it's just that when I'm on break for a month or longer and isolated from talking to anyone (hometown friends have a different break schedule, and college friends have other hometowns), my social skills completely atrophy until I have a week or two to re-acclimate.

>all that stuff about teaching kids

Thanks. I think I could handle it, although I'd much prefer to teach adults, largely because I actually enjoy teaching, not just babysitting.

What should I do if I specifically want to work with adults?

>>1038784
Anyway, For ECC the same general rules apply, smile, be friendly, etc. It's a much different atmosphere because it's so intimate with like 5 people, but same basic shit applies. The guy talks about ECC, you do the grammar test. The demo lesson is a bit different ballgame. You're partnered up with with one of the other interviewees and you have to produce a demo lesson with given material. There's no prep beforehand that you have to turn in like with AEON. Anyway, I was paired with the beta awkward guy and the two normies got to be partners. He kind of hurt our demo although later the recruiter said I didn't smile enough and he was worried about my voice. I have a really deep manly kind of voice, and he said in so many words that he was worried about me for a kids lesson but not for adult lesson. Pfui. Actually I think he would have hired me, but it's not up to him alone. With ECC your demo is videotaped and they send it to Japan for Japanese staff to look at. In my rejection email he basically said I got his endorsement but the Japanese panel said no. Oh well.

ECC is more picky than AEON, that is for sure.

>>1038765

Go back to /a/ weeblord. Anyway, my experience was with a Chinese online teaching company. I worked for an online company before them and had no problems.

>>1038530
Every time we make a tefl thread there is one person (probably the same person) who shows up and starts talk this same shit. But i'll bite.

I make about 290,000 yen a month, which is about average for someone with my credentials and experience. Once I have more years under my belt and if I decide to get my masters, I can start teaching university or at a international school, both of which will pay a lot more. That being said, the salary I make is more than enough to live confortably and to save money. My girlfriend lives with me and also works full time so together we have enough to live very confortably and go on vacation twice a year.

Is tefl a dead end job? it's what you make of it. I have met people who have had the same teaching job for 15 years and I have met people who go on to get their master's and start working at a university. I know a guy who has been here for almost 25 years and like 8 years ago he opened up his own school. any job can become potentially a dead end job, its what you make of it.

Ryan is the biggest laughing stock of the Japan tefl community. I've watched all his dream crusher videos and he complains about the stupidest things imaginable, like the fact fact that he has to wear a tie to work and that he needs to sing and dance with kindergartners. I saw a video where he was almost having a mental breakdown because the sandwiches at 7/11 were to small for him. Some of the points he makes about how Japanese people interact with you are based in some truth, but its mostly bullshit. I can go on and on about why what he says is mostly nonsense and to shorten this wall of text I'm not going to, but ill just say I have never had a negative social experience with a Japenese person, and neither has most tefl teachers. I think Ryan is a socipath or has some other issues that make him dislike living in Japan but have very little to do with Japanese culture in general. Part 1/2

>>1038793
Part 2/2

I've talked about Ryan for way to long now, but in conclusion don't believe the bullshit he says. He is a very sad and depressed person but that is on him, it's not because of Japan. He has been living in Japan for most of his adult life and if he hates it so much why doesn't he leave? The VAST majority of expats in Japan are not like him.

>>1038787
>What should I do if I specifically want to work with adults?

You could get hired by AEON strongly assert your preference for adults. AEON has A schools and B schools, A schools are adults only. As long as you're not picky about location at that point they should be able to accommodate you.

Or maybe apply to Gaba? But I think by all accounts Gaba is better for part time.

>>1038790
>Telling you to not to be a miserable little bitter racist

>hurrr you're a weeb!!

Yeah, whatever, dude. Wonderful.

>>1038794
Generally speaking it seems that Korea has more bitter English teachers than Japan. This is probably due largely to the hiring and employment practices in Korea vs. Japan. The visa that eikaiwa teachers get is very powerful. 3 year validity and it is not tied to an employer. Versus 1 year in Korea and tied to an employer.

Good on the Japanese government for designing it that way to prevent the scummy practices and exploitation that happens in Korea.

>>1038597
I came here on a tourists visa, if you look at ads on gaijinpot you will see that many of them ask that you already reside in Japan before you even send a resume. To maximize your chances of finding a job quickly when you arrive, you should consider arriving right before the school year starts, prime hiring time is July and August.

I have never worked for JET, some people like it while others don't. Read what they are all about and see if its for you.

I'm not sure what to tell you about being socially awkward, I'm a relatively introverted person and the first 2 weeks are kind of stressful. But you get over it, keep in mind that almost in every class you will have a co-teacher helping you, so you won't be alone in a class full of students. I've only taught very young kids so I'm not familiar with how to handle yourself in front of old students, just keep your head up and try your best. Don't be afraid of the kids.

Yeah a degree in linguistics will help a lot. same with a tefl cert.

>>1038696
Yes I have to refill a bunch of paper work every year and so does my employer.

>>1038735
Yea I'm around, sorry I've been busy with work and other obligations. I have worked for 2 schools, 1 year in a school in Hiroshima and 3 years in a school in Osaka, both public schools.

The picture I found on the internet, it's not mine. I don't work for Shane.

Fuck this. I'll just pan handle in Thailand for money.

>>1038799

Thanks.

Will I still be able to find a job even if I arrive in an off time, like a few months into the school year? I plan on spending 6-12 months in Peru beforehand, and depending on how the schedules match up, I may not be able to get to Japan before the school year starts.

Do adult schools work on a set year-round schedule? Seems like they wouldn't have to, if they cater to working people.

Also, I'm not picky about location at all, in fact I think I'd prefer being outside of Tokyo for my first year (to save money, and also have more living space).

Do you know what the job situation in Hokkaido is like? I like the idea of a colder climate, with proximity to great nature, and I know a guy in Sapporo.

>>1038146
How about just regular office jobs? I work in a statistics / IT / geography role. How easy would it be for me to find work knowing 0% Japanese?

Any job websites you can show me that are in English?

>>1038793
>Is tefl a dead end job? it's what you make of it....

I am in no way a bitter TEFL teacher and I enjoy doing this, but I think you're painting a bit of a rosy picture.

TEFL is a deadend low paying job, but that's okay depending on who you are I think. Your example about opening your own school and stuff--these are extreme examples in no way typical of a set career track kind of job. Opening your own school is generally done with sufficient capital and business know how, not just getting a bunch of experience teaching ESL. No ESL job in Japan will really prepare you or give you the chops/money/resources to open your own damn school. Even university jobs cannot simply be had by doing your regular TEFL job and getting experience. You won't get them if you don't have a Master's, so there's not actual career track present in the basic jobs.

Non-university TEFL jobs in Japan basically max out at 300,000 a month. There are a few that can get to 340,000 or so but those are exceedingly rare. You are mistaken to think your salary is average. It most definitely isn't. I'd say between Eikaiwa and being dispatch ALTs, most TEFL people in Japan make about 250,000. TEFL salaries are very very low. Yes, they allow you to live basically a comfortable middle class existence (assuming you're a single dude with no dependents). But the average TEFL salary pretty much forces you to make a choice between saving money and having lots of fun. You certainly can't buy a house on it. In my opinion that constitutes a "low" salary. By comparison most non-TEFL jobs in Japan will not have a salary lower than 400,000 a month.

My point is that there's nothing wrong with it being deadend job, really. If you're a person who just really enjoys teaching and does not care about a particularly high salary or "prestige" then it can be great, who cares if there's no advancement, right?

>>1038826
I think almost impossible knowing no Japanese. Most non TEFL jobs in Japan require at least some business level proficiency. There may be some foreign company that is hiring for a Japan branch though, you never know. So if you're skilled, it doesn't hurt to look.

Gaijinpot.com should get you started.

>>1038828

So there's no advancement if you don't make any personal investment in the advancement of your own skills?

If you spend 10 years doing it and never try for a masters and a university position, you're a retard, and you probably weren't going to advance far anywhere else.

>>1038828

That's basically what happened to Ryan Boundless, I'm guessing.

He stayed in Japan hoping his career would advance, and he'd start making big bucks teaching university or something, but it never happened for him. Now he's too old to go back the States and get a real job and a new career, and he's quite bitter about it.

I'm sure there are thousands of expats just like him that can't leave, either because they're too old to start a new career or they got tied down to a Japanese wife.

Think about that, making only $2500 a month at 40 years old lol, doing humiliating work like dancing and singing for kids in kindergartens every week. I'd probably kill myself.

>>1038837
That's not point. My point is that TEFL is not a real career track position. There's no internal scheme for advancement and salaries basically do not advance with time and experience.

This is my point. Say you get hired by Goldman Sachs. With years put in and gained experience, you can work your way up in the company and your salary will also generally increase with experience.

Say you become a state licensed teacher in America. You can work your way up to administration, or if you stay a teacher your pay will definitely increase the longer you stay and the more experience you have.

This is not the case with TEFL. You stay as an ALT at a school for 10 years nothing is going to change in terms of your position or salary. Getting a University job isn't like set internal career advancement. That's just picking up a better job with some added credentials you got externally.

I'm not even shitting on TEFL, I just recognize that it is what it is.

>>1038840
I'm a 26 year old dude, and I'm not humiliated by the fact that I've danced and singed for little kids. I think kids are fun. I'm not some dude with like too high of an opinion of himself who thinks he's too good for that, but yes, I guess at 40 it would be a bit soul crushing.

At any rate, yes, TEFL salaries are pathetically low. It's not any kind of real salary. You can't buy a house and a car and save for retirement and support a family and pursue your leisure activities all at once on it.

And that's fine. At the end of the day it is a fairly easy job that does not require specialized skills or very many qualifications, so it's hard to complain. It's tailor made for people to just do it for a few years or less for the experience really.

>>1038846
Err, sung.

>>1038784
They sound like the the best deal, but I imagine if I went I would go with some mom and pop eikawa instead. I just live too far away from the interview place to go through with all of that. I've already taught overseas and I think it actually hurts my ability to go through with interviews. I am not the stereotypical NET, I'm just not happy go lucky and I never have been. I've been well received by every school I work at though, because I just get the job done. It makes it hard for me to fake it during an interview.

>>1038828
>>1038840
>>1038842
The thing with TEFL is that it is incredibly hard to describe to people. The experiences people have will vary greatly, and it's very impossible you will end up in a school that will do everything to treat you like shit and make you leave. The attitude is typically that a foreigner should have just made it work or tried even harder, and if they did it would have worked out. The truth is it's too easy to end up in a shitty situation where the faculty will hate you regardless of what you do for reasons that are out of your control and have nothing to do with you. An issue a lot of new NETs run into is the inability to process this, and they somehow think it is their fault.

I have had amazing schools, and I have had extremely shitty schools. When I look back, I should have accepted my shitty 2300 dollars a month and stayed at the amazing schools. TEFL is great when everything falls into place and you look forward to getting to work every morning, and you look forward to the weekend, and you look forward to your vacation. That is some serious luck in life, and I've realised after leaving TEFL it's nearly impossible to find all of those things stateside.

I always appreciate the people that don't take this stuff for granted, we are lucky to be born speaking a language this marketable. There is not reason not to take advantage of it, this is /trv/ after all.

>>1038921
>very impossible
very possible

>>1038921
I've only had two TEFL jobs and fortunately they were both pretty good.

I have been teaching in korea for a few years now. I was going to do a move to japan next year. Do you recommend privates or jet? I vastly prefer rural japan. I would love to live around nagano for the hiking.

>>1039024

Be aware that JET is a specific government program. But it's not the only route you can take to public schools. You must apply from overseas too, probably best done in your home country because of the visa process and stuff. As someone who prefers the country, JET should probably be your first choice, though. Most public school positions are filled through middleman dispatch agencies that take a huge chunk of your pay. JET is not, and they don't take any of your pay so you'll be making 300,000 a month instead of like 240,000 and most of the positions are in the country.

The big eikaiwa schools also have some more remote locations. There's a big AEON school in Ibaraki I know.

>>1039057
>But it's not the only route you can take to public schools.
Could you give some more info on other ways to get into public schools?

>>1038146
Has anyone here taught full time in Vietnam? If so, could you explain the process for getting a work visa there if you are American?

>>1038532
This isn't my video and I don't know who this guy is but this is basically what I do at my job everyday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_oZtxWuids

>>1039094
Do like OP did. Show up and just look for a job. Or try Interac if you don't get hired by JET.

>>1039094
Decide what city you want to move to and check to search for teaching jobs in that city. A lot of larger schools put ads in English. Work directly with the school to figure out your visa and housing. Be careful about paperwork and making sure the school is legit before you fly over. It shouldn't be too difficult. I've been here 6 weeks and have received/seen open positions at about 25 schools. Idk about Japan, but the Chinese government requires a lot of the better schools to have 'foreign experts', but the schools often just fill the position and forget about you, leaving you with few hours of work, a big ass paycheck (by Chinese standards), and lots of un-supervised free time.

>>1038840
>Think about that, making only $2500 a month at 40 years old lol, doing humiliating work like dancing and singing for kids in kindergartens every week. I'd probably kill myself.
Sounds bretty good tbh fam

I keep reading about a passport from an English-speaking country basically being required to get a job, but what about South Africa? I'm living in the Netherlands but I have a South African passport (I am white though), and English is one of South Africa's official languages. We're also still part of the Commonwealth, if that counts for anything. Would I have a chance at getting a teaching job? Or do I pretty much **have** to be from the Anglosphere?

>>1039246
South Africa is an English speaking country and on most counties list of acceptable passports

>>1039246
although if you have a strong dutch accent you are fucked

Thanks for the thread OP and everyone else who participated. I'm looking at teaching in Taiwan for a year and maybe in China for a year in the near future.

>>1038828
I think your view and the view of many people when it comes to jobs like TEFL are very wrong. A salary doesn't make you happier in life, I know because i make a good living but am not always happy living where I currently am. I also work with people in their 60s who earn less than me but look genuinely much happier than I am. They earn just a little more than TEFL teachers while living in the most expensive city in Canada, so if they manage to survive alright and be happy why can't someone teaching English in Japan?

I learned pretty early on after graduating from university that working a job that earns more money doesn't mean I will be happier. Working a job that I enjoy, living in a place I enjoy, being around people I enjoy and so on will make me happier though. And when you think about it, $3000 a month is still something like top 1% in the world... http://www.globalrichlist.com/

>>1038180
I have a friend that is going to be studying abroad at Sophia University in Tokyo, from North Carolina. Most colleges have study abroad programs so you shouldn't have to directly enroll in a Japanese university

>>1039440

I'm not the Anon you're responding to, but I'd like to add my $0.02. Everything* that anon says is true. I teach in Japan so I know this very well. For 99.99% of people it's indeed a dead-end job, with no career advancement possible, not much salary paid, no job stability, and (very frequently) no benefits -- no paid vacation leave, no paid sick leave, no pension benefits, etc.

If you're only doing it for a year or two in your 20's, this is no problem. But if you have any ambition in life, it's a huge mistake to teach for longer than that. Waking up in your 30's, with a wife and kids, and no $ to travel, nothing to retire on, no chance to live in a decent house or apartment, etc.? Realizing that you're absolutely stuck in a rut and have no choice but to continue doing exactly the same thing for the next 30 years of your life?

Has it occurred to you that the "people in their 60s" that you refer to are happy to work for little $ probably because they have a pension and/or savings from a real career they had prior to whatever they're doing now?

* I don't think a Master's cuts it any more for Japanese university positions. What I see advertised these days requires (a) fluency in Japanese, (b) a Ph.D., and (c) at least 5 or 6 published academic papers.

>>1039440
>A salary doesn't make you happier in life etc etc.

I never said it does. And I'm not shitting on TEFL, I don't know how closely you actually read my post but as I clearly said...

>My point is that there's nothing wrong with it being deadend job, really. If you're a person who just really enjoys teaching and does not care about a particularly high salary or "prestige" then it can be great, who cares if there's no advancement, right?

All I did was present facts. TEFL salaries are low and cannot cut it for starting a family or buying a house, etc. It is a single young person with no dependents kind of okay salary. TEFL jobs do not offer a real career track with upward trajectory in either pay or position. This is a fact.

These are simply facts and I am *not* making a value judgement about it. As I said before, as long as you are happy. Personally, I'm happy now, but I do not think I would be happy doing TEFL in 10 even 5 years. I would personally like to have a family someday, and TEFL will not get you there.

Honestly man, the whole "top 1% in the world" thing is somewhat of a red herring. Of course TEFL teachers are in the top 1% in the world, but bringing this up is like saying that some hardworking single mother in America working at McDonald's and some other shitty job to make ends meet shouldn't really complain because at the end of the day she makes more than people in the Congo or Bangladesh. Come on, man.

>>1039460
>I don't think a Master's cuts it any more for Japanese university positions. What I see advertised these days requires (a) fluency in Japanese, (b) a Ph.D., and (c) at least 5 or 6 published academic papers.

For just TEFL? You sure about that?

>>1039460
I don't know what shit job you got stuck with, but me and everyone else I met has vacation, sick leave, etc. And saving money is pretty easy if you're relatively frugal. And I go on vacation twice a year.

>>1038800

Is this the "instructor visa?" Is it tied to your employer, meaning if you quit your job you lose the visa?

>>1039486

At the university level in Japan, yes, current requirements are as I've listed. For high schools, eikawa, etc., a simple college/university diploma is enough.

>>1039487

It's a simple fact that a large number of TEFL jobs in Japan come with little or no benefits. Hell, a large number of jobs in Japan that Japanese people work in come with no benefits. Japanese people (and a lot of gaijin working here) can thank the Koizumi administration for that.

>>1039486

To make it clear, I'm referring to full-time university instructor positions. For part-time positions a simple diploma is enough, but in this case you're getting paid by the hour, have no benefits, etc.

>>1039491
>It's a simple fact

Yeah I'm gonna need citation for that. Because I have never heard of that and based on my quick google search I can only find evidence to the contrary.

>>1039499

Evidence to the contrary of what?

>>1039486
>TEFL salaries are low and cannot cut it for starting a family or buying a house, etc. It is a single young person with no dependents kind of okay salary. TEFL jobs do not offer a real career track with upward trajectory in either pay or position. This is a fact.

Fuck you sound like some kind of bullshit speech that leads young kids to go 80k in debt trying to become the next first president to land on the moon. If you don't have great jobs lined up after graduating and you are basically looking at making the same amount of money (3k a month is about average for lower middle class) but being able to save even less because your bills will be 2-3x the amount in your home country, living abroad and having more vacation time might be better.

>>1039523
Again, all I said was that TEFL jobs are pretty low paying and do not offer a real career track. And again, I did not make a value judgement about it. I just expressed that I personally wouldn't want to do it for more than a few years. I don't give a shit what other people do, if you're happy you're happy.

Do I have to quote this shit yet again?

>My point is that there's nothing wrong with it being deadend job, really. If you're a person who just really enjoys teaching and does not care about a particularly high salary or "prestige" then it can be great, who cares if there's no advancement, right?

Christ people.

>>1039170
An overloaf of cute.


Seem like teaching pre-k through 3rd in my school district.

>>1039526
Yeah, I got all that. I'm not sure what makes you think I didn't get your initial point. I was responding to your initial point. Not everyone can go out and make a six figure salary while getting a Masters.

Here's a question that I've never seen answered: what would my girlfriend do in Japan if I decided to go the TEFL route? I have about a year of Japanese under my belt, she doesn't speak it at all.

>>1039861
Why cant you answer this yourself? She can either do tefl herself or sit around the apartment/sightsee all day. What the fuck difference do you think it makes that youve studied niptalk for a year?

>>1039170

>they make you take your shoes off and have a separate pair of shoes just for your job in japan

lmao what the fuck

>>1039861

why the hell would you bring your girlfriend, assuming she's not japanese

i don't care who you are, after being in asia you will develop yellow fever and want japanese girls. not exactly a bright idea

>>1038146
Skimmed the thread and saw some questions on ethnicity here and there.
What if I am an Asian born in Taiwan but raised in America, an American citizen, finishing up my bachelors, and speak completely fluent English? How do they take to other Asians teaching English?

>>1039877

Not OP but I've read that Asians usually have trouble getting English teaching jobs everywhere in Asia. Maybe try China or Taiwan if Japan or Korea doesn't accept you; being Taiwanese should be OK there.

>>1039877
You're a native speaker with a US passport so you'll be able to get a job alright. But a lot of students (particularly mothers having their children taught English) won't want you as a teacher -- they want the real gaijin experience and that means no Asian faces. Also, you should be aware that you'll face some discrimination for looking like a Japanese but not being one.

>>1039879
>particularly mothers having their children taught English
Yea, fair enough. I went to an English school as a kid for some time in Taiwan so I can see where they're coming from. I had a nice lady from New Zealand as a teacher there, don't remember seeing any Asians.
>you'll face some discrimination for looking like a Japanese but not being one
I was in Japan a few summers back on a research scholarship sort of thing. I didn't make Japanese friends outside the lab group, but mostly because I was pretty introverted, but the people I did talk to were all plenty friendly to me.

>>1039881
Most people will be, but there's a hard-core contingent here that really looks down on Koreans, Chinese, and other Asians (more or less in that order). Plus, how people treat you to your face and behind your back are often quite different here, much more so than you'll find in the US.

>>1039883
I've always been under the impression Taiwan is probably the only Asian country the general Japanese has a positive view of. I think at least Taiwanese people like Japan. Lots of weebs in Taiwan though, but people there appreciate the more elegant aspects of their culture too.

>how people treat you to your face and behind your back are often quite different here, much more so than you'll find in the US.
But damn, that sounds pretty fucked up.

>>1039885
>Taiwan is probably the only Asian country the general Japanese has a positive view of

A lot of Japanese people believe that the Taiwanese liked having them occupy Formosa, so, yeah, they're generally pretty OK with Taiwanese people. They like Americans, too (except in Okinawa) so you'll be OK, again excepting with about 20%-30% of potential English learners.

>>that sounds pretty fucked up

It's the same everywhere, to varying degrees. But the Japanese take it to the next level; honne/tatemae is a huge part of their culture.

>>1039887
>Taiwanese liked having them occupy Formosa
This isn't the thread or board for this, but I can't help but retort this isn't really true at all. It's more like at least they didn't fuck shit up in Formosa like they did in Manchuria and the rest of mainland, so there's no grudge to hold there.

>so you'll be OK
But yea, okay, good to know, thanks.

>>1039890
>this isn't really true at all

LOL, I didn't say it was true -- I said it's what a lot of people here believe.

>good to know

No problem. If you have any questions (I've been living here for a few years) fire away -- I'll be dicking around on the computer for another hour until dinner.

>>1039895
Yea I understood what you were saying but I couldn't help but try to clarify that for anyone else who might read this.

>>1038432
total bullshit OP
go fuck yourself

>>1038427
get a TEFL diploma
work in thailand , cambodja or where ever you want

dont work for goverment shit school, go private , they will welcome you with open arms
you get a good payment ,
they are in need of teachers ,

fuck off OP

Is it true they're all child,ousting gold fish tenders that shit on the,sleeves?

>>1039900
I sincerely hope you're not teaching English in Asia or anywhere else. If you are, you're cheating your students.

>>1039861
Speaking Japanese has very little to do with it. Does she have a bachelors and is English her native language? If the answer is yes then she can get a work visa and teach. If she is unable to teach then it's gonna be difficult for her to come with you. You might want to consider marrying her so she can get a spousal visa.

>>1039874
Yeah I bring my own pair of indoor shoes in my back to work. In Japanese culture you don't wear the shoes you wear outside, inside your home or in this case a kindergarten.

>>1039877
The truth of the matter is that a lot of employers don't want an Asian American teacher. They want a teacher with a foreigner look. Thats just the sad truth. Doesn't mean it is impossible to find a job but it is significantly more difficult.

>>1039900
Total bullshit? ok yeah, you don't need to take my word for look, look it up online. Everything I said is accurate.

>>1039874
>they make you take your shoes off and have a separate pair of shoes just for your job in japan

I used to do that back in the west anyway.
Kept work shoes in my desk and wore other shoes for the trip in. Kept my work shoes nice and clean and meant I could wear cycling shoes when I rode.

LOTS of western women keep nice shoes in their desk and wear running shoes or something once they leave the office. They're just more comfortable for the walk to the tram/bus/train. Or for driving even.

i need some /adv/ /trv/
I'm a 21 yr old male quebecfag.
English is my first language though.
My dream is to travel the world long-term budget backpacking style by ground, with my pro camera.
Using my photo/video skills will fund only a small portion of the trip.
Instead of relying on ultra budgeting methods, I want to enroll in a TESOL certified course.
Problem is I only have a GED and according to my research, that will get me an ESL certificate and not a TEFL which requires a Bachelor's degree.

Is it worth dishing out $1500cdn for a 290-hour ESL course?
thanks

This is gonna be off topic but I currently work at a private school in Korea. Due to a desperate change in management, all of the staff and children are being treated like shit. I was brought into the manager's office and told that my teaching methods weren't acceptable (even though I've been doing them for months). Now we can't play any games with the kids, and the kids are being worked way too hard because apparently test scores were down. Our enrollment is going downhill, we have half the teachers as we used to, and I feel fucking awful about the kids. I feel that the school is inevitably going to shut down, but do you guys know of any way I could speed up that process and perhaps get some sort of revenge on the new management without screwing myself over?

I'm interested in teaching in Thailand, but I currently only have an associates degree. Is it possible to get a job legally with an associates or is a bachelors an absolute must. I've heard stories of people using fake diplomas is that my only option?

>>1039900
Wait, what? Why are you so angry. Even if OP were wrong and you were calling him out on it, would it really warrant that much venom? What the actual fuck is wrong with you.

He is absolutely right, South Korea and Japan absolutely require a bachelors, the other countries do not necessarily but it is of course highly preferred.

>>1040121
I do not believe a bachelors is required for all jobs in Thailand, but as was alluded to above, it is of course always highly preferred.

Do not expect to get a good English teaching job in Thailand with just an associates degree unless you have connections or something.

>>1040121
In order to work legally in Thailand you need a bachelors. There are illegal jobs available but they are all in the shittiest locations and you will be working for the shittiest pay. Also if you get caught teaching without a visa you will fined and deported.

>>1040107
Get a new job lined up sooner rather than later
Yourself first, revenge after

>>1040121

You could probably fake a degree. I'm not sure if they actually require a physical copy of the degree in hand once you arrive there. I guess you could buy a fake one. However I've read you need a degree to apply for a work visa to stay and work in Thailand.

But I can't imagine a shithole like Thailand is actually competent with that stuff.

Best option if you really want to go there is just fly there and show up in person, hit the pavement and apply for jobs once you arrive. They won't turn you away if you're a typical clean-cut white guy.

>>1040127
How do I even do that? Is it possible to just hop over to another school? What about visa issues? Should I use a recruiter or just visit a location I want to work at?

>>1040131
How did you get your current job?

I've been studying chinese and I really don't care to speak japanese after I've studied it for 3 years in high school/uni. I really want to teach in a place like japan but I want to speak and practice chinese.

Anyone know if Taiwan is good? China doesn't really appeal to me. I would absolutely love to teach in Japan or South Korea but if I go to a country I'm gonna learn and practice the language and I really think Chinese is the most practical out of the 3

Any advice?

>>1040156
Lol what are you, retarded or something? You study niptalk for 3 years just to decide, "nah fuck this shit, mao had it right the whole time" and you start studying mandarin. Now you still dont know what country to go to? Go to taiwan ffs if the mainland is too dirty for your prissy behind.

Jesus christ, and sometimes i think im directionless...

>>1040161
i picked japanese cuz there was either spanish, french or japanese in my school and i like asian girls

chinese is more practical especially as an accounting major. I think the language is far more interesting as well. grammatically the language is pretty damn easy

>>1040133
Applied from Canada. Now that I'm in Korea, should I just visit schools that look good?

I'm on my third year of JET. Does anyone have recommendations as to pursuing an actual career in ESL? My resume at this point is only TEFL so I figure I may as well go with that and make a career out of it.

>>1040436

1. Go back to school and get a Master's in Education (a Doctorate would be preferable, if you have the time/money).

2. Work hard at getting papers published in academic journals.

3. Learn to speak/read/write the language of your target country reasonably fluently.

The above is if you want to teach at university level or at better high schools. If eikawa and the like is OK with you for the next 30 or 40 years, then:

1. Be white

2. Be native speaker

3. Be brain dead

>>1040436
become one of those CIRs they have, don't they have them? I thought JET had a really good network of former JETs that would help you get a job, is that still true?

You can always network in TEFL in the country you are in and try to work into admin positions, but it's really hard and usually involves marriage or duel citizenship.

>>1040440
3. Be brain dead
golden years of TEFL are your 20s, getting a phd might ensure that your career in TEFL doesn't start until your 30s. There is a trade off, travel the world all that crap in your 20s for a mediocre salary for the rest of your life, or spend your 20s trying to get a massive salary that will allow you to travel and enjoy yourself for about 2-3 weeks out of the year in your 30s. If you get to be the 1/1000000 you might get to vacation more than that.

>>1038186
Was it always your intention to find a job while being a tourist or had you initially just planned to travel for a while and then go home? Is it easy to do it the way you did it? I want to find a TEFL job this year, but want to do so in the way you have - by arriving as a tourist and finding a job that way. I don't want to apply online for a place I can't visit first.

>>1038703
My friend told me his Uni of Michigan Degree was considered great by those in the know in Nippon.

my question is, is it possible to get an english teaching job (like ALT) without a 3 year degree/diploma. will getting a TESL help?