Vore general thread #???
Unwilling edition
Topic of the thread: do you do Vore RP? Where do you do it? Share your terrible (or maybe good) experiences rping with other degenerates across the internet.
(Sorry this thread is so botched guys, but there wasn't one up so I figured we needed one)
I RP.
A few places, but it seems like only with furries do any good RP happen. I tried a few times at a place called Voreplay, which is mainly human M/M, but that place is way beyond degeneracy as most of them into fat, incest, jocks, or macro/micro, but the worse part would be how much voreplay people suck at role playing at all.
"Om nom nom I'm eating you and you taste so good," is how one would perfect describe how most roleplays go in at Voreplay. That would be my worse experience.
[spoiler]My best experience however is when a friend of mine who is a "Scalie" has a fursona who is hyper endowed and did some really nice cock vore.[/spoiler]
>>3410140
This kind of thing is why I don't bother with vore ERP. It seems like way too much of a hassle to find someone who knows how to type a proper sentence.
Well that and I'm pretty nervous to start because I haven't done much ERP overall and I keep worrying that I'll blank out and not know how to respond halfway through.
Ded thred
Ded fetish
Fucking rip, what happened to all the traffic?
>>3414439
>>3411943
vore threads have always been slow, anons.
>>3414938
Just a few weeks ago the thread seemed pretty jumping. Recently it's really died down.
>>3414951
Eh, I remember about a month ago, the vore thread was really slow for the week I lurked it. Got maybe 4 or 5 posts per day.
>>3409934
I fucking love this picture
>>3410140
>it seems like only with furries do any good RP happen.
Humans characters are always just creatively bankrupt self-inserts who want you to entertain them and are too young or autistic to bother with providing anything interesting in return.
>Type out a fairly detailed semi-paragraph
>Receive just a synonym for wiggling
>If you're lucky, they might even care enough to rephrase some of your post to pad out the length of their own.
>>3409934
Show me some nice vore maymays!
Can this image be saved? The beard is so distracting and the expression... it just kills the otherwise splendid pic.
>>3428845
>TASE
I'm sorry, anon.
>>3428845
Any image with that self-insert is automatically nonredeemable. Why anyone would want that nasty, beard faced fuck with their sparkle dogs is a complete mystery.
>>3430125
I just wonder if it's possible to edit him out in some way. Maybe recreate the pic or change the prey so they don't suck ass
>>3410140
Is there something inherently wrong with micro/macro? I usually can't handle the absurdity of super stretchy same size, and I've had plenty of good micro/macro experiences.
Typically I see the opposite as being uncreative, explaining away completely unfeasible scenarios with... nothing. There's no explanation, just "lol vore isn't a realistic fetish to begin with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
>>3430125
Money isn't that mysterious.
I wanna be nommed by a Snake so badly~ <3
>>3430294
I guess there's not much for the pred to do with micro/macro ERP since they don't really feel anything after swallowing. Like anon said all they really need to do is go *swallows you* then that's it on their part.
You motherfuckers are worse than the retards at /mlp/
>3433871
(You)
I've only gotten into Vore fairly recently, but I've yet to actually roleplay it. It intrigues and arouses me greatly, but I'm having a rough time finding a partner I can enjoy it with, because people that enjoy vore usually mix it with a tremendous amount of things that I dislike.
I just wanna be nommed, damnit. ;_;
>>3434143
>Just want to be nommed
>Pred is also into disposal/scat, gore/hard Vore, detailed digestion deaths, Permavore, etc
>>3434684
>disposal
>bad
The rest a shit, though.
Seriously, fuck people who want you to delete your f-list after RP.
>>3432908
I typically like that though. I know a lot of people (especially same size and endo degenerates) like the intimacy of it, but I like the domination and consumption aspect; to be considered nothing but food. My ideal micro/macro RP would be getting eaten, and the pred playing their POV where they do a few mundane things, burping, eating more stuff, going for a walk, anything. Meanwhile, the prey writes their pov in a vile, foul death chamber automatically and mechanically murdering them.
I think Acidic mentoined it best in one of his descriptions. There's a huge disconnect between pred and prey and their experiences. While the pred is likely to forget about their prey after the gulp, the prey's experience is only just starting.
Even if it's not micro/macro I still think this is part of it. A dragon eating a normal sized anything - be it human or anthro or another feral that's small enough to swallow - will have this element. Replace a dragon with a naga, snake, 15ft tall anthro badger. All the pred should feel is full. They prey is insignificant. They're just food.
>>3434888
>Having a literally shit fetish
At least you got trips but still.
>>3435029
Oh man this is exactly what I love. Stuff like exploring giant mountains of digesting food while the pred just sits back and relaxes or the pred gently patting their belly that feels like thunderous thumping on the inside.
It's hot as hell but I can see why someone would be annoyed at it in an ERP situation where they're typing out all the vivid details and getting a short sentence back.
Permavore where the prey is willingly being eaten is my absolutely favorite.
Being happy to end their life for sexual curiosity/pleasure... it just turns me on immensely.
>>3436189
>It's hot as hell but I can see why someone would be annoyed at it in an ERP situation where they're typing out all the vivid details and getting a short sentence back.
When I play prey I handle the digestion myself. I take whatever the pred does after the fact and twist it and basically rewrite it like this >>3423204 dickhead said, except I'm doing it from the perspective of the prey who's in the stomach.
You lightly pat your belly? I hear a deafening thunderclap that echos through the stomach. You roll over? Me and the stomach contents are tossed from one end to the other as my world shifts, trying again to struggle to my feet as rocking waves of sludge barrel over me, the uneven ground, shifting ground causing me to repeatedly stumble into the acidic mixture, covering every part of me.
When I play pred I don't make it about you, I play my part. I describe what I'm doing, feeling and thinking. If I need to play the prey's experience and the pred's experience I wouldn't need a partner, I'd just write on my own.
You don't need to be creative. You don't need some fantastic OC with a 3 page back story, a list of magical powers, relationship trees with other players, and 2 dicks. You just need to get in character and be descriptive. Write a story. That's it.
>>3437112
How do you feel if people just make generic throwaways for perma scenes? I never thought about it or even knew it existed until I started RPing, and it seems stupid and easily abused. How do you find a long term perma partner? What if they just don't delete their shit?
>>3437153
I do not care about character permanence, personally. My roleplays are generally isolated, with no continuing "canon". Plus, I rarely get involved in long term RP, it's hard to find anyone for such things.
>>3437124
>You lightly pat your belly? I hear a deafening thunderclap that echos through the stomach. You roll over? Me and the stomach contents are tossed from one end to the other as my world shifts, trying again to struggle to my feet as rocking waves of sludge barrel over me, the uneven ground, shifting ground causing me to repeatedly stumble into the acidic mixture, covering every part of me.
Fucking perfect anon. The sense of being so tiny and insignificant in the pred's stomach is one of my favorite things about vore.
>>3437420
So it's not perma?
I think people are defining "fatal without reformation" wrong and it's causing a lot of confusion.
>>3438522
It's permanent. In that specific roleplay, the character dies.
>>3440084
You're deluded. That's not perma, that's just fatal. Perma as a blanket term means that that character is dead. Gone. Cannot be RP'd with.
If that sounds stupid to you, it is. But if you ask someone "interested in a perma RP?" they're going to think you want to delete their character.
Source: asked someone who offered to perma me if that's what they meant, and they said yes.
>>3440154
I'm not "deluded", I'm mistaken. I just thought permavore meant death.
I'm so fucking thankful i dont rp, you guys make it sound like everyone is a pushy psychopath
I'll just keep my nonfatal lewd vore to just myself and not rp it at all
>>3440381
It's not just vore anon. Finding good RP of any kind is a serious uphill battle and there's a lot of pressure to perform well if you don't wanna feel like you're wasting each others' time.
>>3440235
Some of the RPers are crazy into their own meta like this.
I don't RP, not because I wanted to avoid frustrating or weird people and rather because I'm bit shy, but avoiding that stuff seems like the way to keep going.
>>3434888
Yeah, I've always found "profile play" bullshit to be horrifically cringy. I don't need a detailed list of everyone you've ever fucked, and if you're not going to use the profile again, delete it so that it's not taking up space / taking up the name.
>reasonably excellent erp with my soon-to-be husbando
>picked up some form of vore fetish recently and earnestly wish to try it out
>even have a neat character in mind for the purpose
>he'd never really be into it and doesn't go beyond mild mawplay in our exchanges
>can't be fucked to go through with any of it given all the hurdles involved
kill me pete.
on another note i've missed you, vore general.
>>3441291
Dialogue is cringy as fuk in vore
>>3442582
mawplay is literally the best though.
I would adore being someone's food~! <3
>>3450934
>>3450836
>>3450752
If you have any more, I beg of you to share them
These memes are rarer than gold, for they cannot simply be searched for, they must be stumbled upon.
>>3451205
It's true
You can't just find those high-quality ironic vore memes on google
You find shit like this even if you filter out deviantart retarded shit
>>3430287
Isn't there a thread on the other chan specifically about editing him out of pictures?
>you will never be swallowed alive and kicking by a ferocious lion
Does anybody ever do Vore where the prey is basically folded into the consciousness of the pred as opposed to really killed?
They lose their body but maintain awareness, most often acting like a voice in the pred's head. I think it has the potential to be hot, especially if the prey then gets to feel everything the pred does when they eat somebody else.
Never found any art of it, though. Shame.
>>3452684
Sounds like some goo stuff
these vore memes feel like they come from an alternate reality where vore is a really common fetish
>>3452814
What do you mean alternate reality? Everybody likes Vore
>>3452814
it's part of the appeal
STOP POSTING FUCKING MEMES AND POST SHIT GETTING EATING
>>3453370
You don't understand anon. Free will is a myth, we are a slave to our memes.
>>3452968
What a beauty. I want to be inside him.
>>3409934
Can we get some eye vore going?
>>3453627
Never seen that before.
>>3452814
This is so damn true
>tfw no memes from an alternate reality
is the environment for (e)rp surrounding this subject really so hostile to thoughtfulness and quality? would it be the simple userbase that would hoop me were I to just try and fish about on f-list or something of the like?
>>3453582
>dick that long
No.
>>3456661
Youd probably die if you got an erection from the blood loss
>>3456668
>bringing logic into a thread about vore
>>3456681
I will ignore logic as long as it gets me an erection
>>3456687
That's the ticket
>>3456694
Sadly, penis longer than the body is tall does not give me an erection
how would you wear pants
>>3456708
I'm pretty sure there's pictures of that on fa, people wheeling their junk around in carts n' shit
>have a soft spot for feeding
>terribly uncommon and not easy to search
Suffering.
>>3456951
you enjoy suffering?
>>3457030
To an extent, yes. I am a digestionfag after all.
Which do you preffer
Male/female predator
male/female prey
>>3457411
Either female or male prey in visual media or in RP
I only really like female preds in drawings, and i'm fine with either male or female preds in RP.
>>3453370
Very well anon, my friend drew this
>>3455446
>>3453399
Have a meme
>>3457411
Is this really any different from asking us our sexual orientation?
>>3458037
I aint asking that but if you dont feel comfortable with the question you aint gotta answer m80 :p
>>3458127
I have nothing against it, just musing about it
I prefer m/m
>>3458226
Same here
>>3457638
>not small enough for my sergal to eat me
anon pls you make me suffer
>>3457411
M/F or M/M because I'm a massive fagola.
I can still get ROCK HARD to F/M and F/F if the work's good enough, though.
>>3414938
what game?
>>3460381
http://nightly.packedrat.net/
>>3460561
thanks!
do you preffer lovey vore stuff with consent and lots of tender shit or do you something more akin to being stuffed down someone's gullet and being treated like food
>>3461296
Second one, especially if it involves going down with a lot of regular food as the pred stuffs their face.
>>3461436
Sounds hot, both arousing and temperature wise
>>3461296
lovey affectionate Vore is a huge turn off for me. I love the thought of a predator swallowing their prey without any consideration of their life or perspective, just disregarding them and treating them like a meal.
Predators that call their prey names like "lunch, snack, etc" are my weakness
>>3461296
Non fatal is best vore
>>3461296
Both, even though I dislike digestion and death.
Like, I love endo, it's my favourite but I love it even more when either:
>The pred is unaware and it's accidental, notices and has to think of a way to save their buddy before they're digested
>The prey somehow manages to escape
>The pred can't deal with it's prey being a whiny screaming little shit and just coughs them up before moving on to other, less headache inducing food
>>3462200
what is endo exactly
>>3409934
Chiming to say that OP pic kills my sides every time
>>3462566
Body exploration.
Kinda like the Fantastic Voyage.
>>3462914
how does that work
>>3462566
Full term is endosomatophilia. It's basically a blanket term ontop of a already large blanket term. It could be anywhere from just being inside of a pred's belly,womb, breasts, bowels, balls, whatever to more exotic places like the nose or bladder. More often than not when someone uses the term endo, they mean the former.
>>3463696
Oh, and it generally implies that the prey is unharmed.
>>3461296
both are good, but I also like when the two crossover.
>endo, prey gives consent
>pred is playing rough, teasing how you're going make a good meal, etc
>still some intimacy/closeness in that the prey is trusting that it will survive
kind of hard to explain but I like prey being treated as food even though it's endo
>>3445449
With much higher frequency, I find it simply weird.
>>3461296
I'm very much happy with either.
What really matters to me more is how I prefer nonfatal or at least no too significant suffering sort of vore.
>>3463755
I love this sort of stuff.
Though I sometimes succumb to full on lovey dovey if it's with someone I like. It can be really romantic in a perverted and infeasible sort of way.
Willing Prey is my favorite, but I've also got quite the kink for hypno.
Something about a Prey's mind being controlled, making them willing to be swallowed up by a predator, in blissful ecstacy the whole time... just gives me a mega boner.
Oh, and it has to be fatal, non fatal vore is the worst.
>>3462566
Swallowing but not digesting.
Basically just swallowing the prey and then holding them in the stomach, unharmed, for however long.
Internal cuddles.
How did any of you come to find out this was your fetish
I found it out through a fucking cartoon of red riding hood
>>3465874
Mainly cartoons, but that was before I became a hormone addled teenager. What really set me down the slippery slope was pregnancy porn, and then I ended up finding /d/ and deviantart and the rest follows.
>>3466044
deviantart is the gateway drug to weird fetishes
>>3465874
The Big Bad Wolf did LITERALLY nothing wrong.
http://cake.macrophile.com
Possibly the greatest vore animations on the face of this planet.
Anyone up for a good vore ERP?
>>3461296
Funny how this works. I actually love both of these things and everything between, just as long as it's not fatal or seriously harmful.
>>3466880
The fatfur rp thread is shit so sure why not?
How would we do it as a thread though?
>>3465874
It's kinda been around in one form or another since I began fantasizing at all.
>>3469955
I second this.
It's okay to scare the shit out of people as long as you don't hurt them.
>>3475751
I was wondering if others were aware of these.
This guy's work is seriously pro level. I also love the sound design.
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/cakeinferno/
for those who don't know this guy.
They certainly improved my affection towards micro/macro vore.
>>3461296
I like it when it starts off as the first where its real intimate and gentle but then at some point the preds instincts just cave in and they get all rough and stop caring about the preys enjoyment and only stuffing themselves.
Though usually I prefer it when the prey survives especially if the pred feels bad about being rough afterwards.
Alright I got another question
Would you either like this fetish to be a reality or do you preffer it to stay a fantasy thing.
Like with the intimacy, digestion, soft vore etc
>>3477533
I know for a fact that it would never live up to what it's been built up to be in artwork but I'd still give it a try if I could it non-fatal.
>>3477533
Maybe not a reality, but a fantasy that I can live in. If that makes any sense.
>>3477664
VR?
>>3477716
Kinda, but with a more tangible presence. I still want to feel whats happening in my fantasy, but I don't really want it to overlap with reality. The closest thing would be lucid dreams.
>>3477533
I wanna see some answers for this by people who like fantasizing about being the pred. I'm really curious over how many people here would actually swallow someone if they could, willing or unwilling.
>>3477909
Yes I would
non lethal, keep them in there and be lovey about it
>>3477927
Would you only do it if they let you or even if they don't want it? And would you let them out eventually or keep them prisoner in your belly forever?
>>3478001
Only with consent
>>3477533
Fantasy and behind closed doors.
>>3477533
The reason I wouldn't like it to become a real thing is because people would eventually start to go missing. It's like sex, even if you're supposed to do it consensually, rape happens.
But if it was a real thing that didn't immediately kill you with suffocation for example I'd try it, even if it wasn't as "good" as advertized or as we like to think. I'd try it because it's damn weird and strange but also exciting to me. I would expect it to be about as disgusting as you'd assume it is, but at the same time it's not like you'd see in a tummy, only feel and hear what was going on, making it that much less distasteful.
Preferred species?
>>3477909
Yes to all. I mean when we say reality we are also assuming I can just spit them up or something so. I don't think it would gross me out to be on either end.
>>3477909
I would consider it. I couldn't imagine doing it lethally.
>>3479612
Just things with sharp teeth and big maws.
>>3477909
I don't think I could ever eat an unwilling prey (unless I was for some reason going to kill him anyway) but I'd definitely eat some willing fucker and I mean digestion too. With disposal also, even if it were somehow possible in this fantasy scene to avoid it. Of course there would be very much discussion beforehand to the ramifications of willingly being eaten so it would be all consensual and shit.
Alright heres yet another
Do you guys ever mix your other fetishes with vore
like transformation
>>3482339
Serperior a best.
>>3482800
Only macro/micro but that's a given really
>>3482800
Unbirth combined with transformation is probably my favorite vore related thing. Unfortunately not many people share the same opinion.
>>3485709
source? can't find anything anywhere
I wanna be swallowed up by a snake so badly~ <3
>>3486136
http://smiggles.tumblr.com/
Unfortunately they haven't been doing much vore as of late.
>>3482936
I want to try drawing some of this. It's piqued my interest recently.
>>3485709
Do you have the rest of this artists old work?
Or their old name?
>>3489779
The have a few things in their FA gallery under the same name, but all their old artwork was lost when they fucking deleted their old tumblr. I hate it when artists do that shit.
>>3489907
There used to be a tumblr archive site you could view it from, and I remember seeing them posted on 4+4chan, so mabye one of them has the rest.
>>3490021
If you can find that tumblr archive site, thier original tumblr was http://vorecamp.tumblr.com/
>>3490145
It's not that I can't find it, it just doesn't exist anymore.
It was something similar to t.archive.horse, if that helps
>>3488196
I would love to see whatever you make.
>>3488196
Doing gods work anon.
>>3494409
Handsome...
>>3497595
I love this. Slowly slipping beyond the point of no return, possibly with just by the force of gravity and your own doing rather than through predator's work is one of the biggest turnons about vore for me.
It's that mix of fear and enticement, about knowing that you'll probably regret it and that you shouldn't do it, but you want to do it anyways.
>>3499717
Have one more.
Casual Vore is best vore.
Why the fuck does being someone else's food turn me on so much? ;_;
>>3505438
It's the combination of our human brain and our still primal nature. Our advanced abstract thinking and imagination combined with our base desires gets the best of us.
New vore ERP thread.
>>3507641
Get in if you're up for some sexytime. F-list is down anyways.
https://youtu.be/LSSle_Th1l4
Here's some vore animations coming straight your way!
>>3510640
https://youtu.be/Qoz6y8nhzUs
>>3510682
https://youtu.be/6JaKym30PaY
Last one
If anyone has any videos, animations, please share.
I'm an audio fag so anything with audio is greatly appreciated
>>3507800
I'm in. We've set up some formatting rules and are currently tossing back some ideas. Join in, we need more people for more belly!
>tfw you want to be eaten by a muscular anthro rhino...
He needs his proteins.
>Belly walls so paper-tin, people outside can do you a handjob while you're INSIDE a belly.
...it doesn't make sense... But I'm getting a boner out of this...
>>3514397
Color edition.
>>3491590
>>3498267
just a quickie
>>3519820
>>3434143
Try out the ss13 server citadel 13, seems up your alley for roleplay as it's pretty laid back and easy to get into
>>3519820
>>3519831
Oh yes
>>3519820
>>3519831
Here you go, anon
Also, sorry /vore/ for spamming fatshit
>>3524668
>>3524681
>>3524688
>>3524704
>>3524721
>>3524730
>>3524763
>>3524770
>>3524782
>>3524786
>>3524730
>ordering pizza and eating the delivery boy as well
I love this
>>3524799
>>3524806
>>3524811
>>3524817
>>3524826
>>3524840
>>3524867
>>3524874
>>3524899
>>3524913
>>3524926
>>3524933
>>3524961
And that's all I got; apologies for the spam, /vore
>>3524804
>graveyard of delivery scooters in the backyard
>>3524970
But you posted vore
Also are they lining up to get eaten? Kinky little lizards
>>3525040
Well, it's not -all- vore, and usually generals discourage dumping.
>Also are they lining up to get eaten? Kinky little lizards
I don't know what they're doing, but either way, it's fucking hot.
>>3525122
You have good taste and good dubs, congrats anon.
What is the appeal of unbirthing anyway
>>3530483
1. get close to pussy
2. get closer to pussy
3. whoops, unbirth
Also, similar appeal as normal vore but with more sex.
>>3530483
Imagine fucking a cunt
Now imagine fucking a cunt with your whole body
>>3530887
Yeah, liking pussy in the first place is probably a good first step.
In a similar vein, i don't imagine many straight men like the idea of being cockvored, y'know?
>>3530906
Fair enough
>>3533464
endo is always best when it serves a purpose
>>3539026
Couldn't agree more.
It must get awfully stuffy and uncomfortable in there eventually, though.
>>3539305
>prey is let out for this exact reason
>stretches, thanks and goodbye, etc.
>... but it's still too cold
>asks of their own volition this time, red as a beet
>pred is more than happy to oblige
Fluffy tails are the best for tail vore. And tail vore qa best for fluffy-tailed preds.
>>3548352
>Play competitive vidya
>Every time he beats you, he slides you towards his throat
>>3548352
>>3551744
>thought he was just repositioning at first, but now you've caught on
>dragon notices and is blatantly rolling you around now
>struggle through a few more games
>... it's getting late
>throw the match
>it was too obvious
>get thoroughly teased, not able to admit it
>won't give you what you want unless you play one more for real
>>3525029
You'd think they'd start running out of places to order from.
I wanna be digested~ <3
Where can I find moar of this
any draw friends in the thread?
>That cartoon that got you into vore during your childhood
What was her name, /trash/?
>>3572690
The Cow & Chicken episode where the cow swallows the chicken and he goes through her 4 stomachs probably had something to do with it.
>>3572690
Hi modeseven, love your work.
>>3572690
No particular cartoon, but there was this game.
>>3573631
It had a lot of scenes like this.
>>3573631
>that scene where you're trapped in the fat monster's belly until you shoot your gun
>>3573659
And yeah, famously this.
>>3572690
Not a cartoon, but I used to play the fuck out of Yoshi's Island. Probably the reason Yoshi/Frogs are almost my favorite preds.
It sucks now because half the vore involving Yoshi either focuses on some titty monster humanshit prey or involves some donut that has hair for some reason. Same goes for frog preds, too, only you can't even hardly find regular furry porn involving frogs.
>>3564087
Hop in!
>>3572690
Probably this. Also that episode of Celebrity Deathmatch that had unbirth in it.
>>3572690
Not a cartoon but
>That part in King's Quest IV where you're swallowed by a whale
>>3576681
Is that a cock or a tail? I kinda hope tail; I really like that style of opening on tails rather than the Cell-type one.
>>3580394
It's a dick.
Do you think about vore often and long?
From time to time I find myself unable to stop thinking about getting eaten, sometimes in a slow, meticulous and even sensual manner, sometimes in more extreme, scary, getting-hunted-down-and-caught and terrifying way.
I like to think a lot about the emotional rollercoaster you'd have especially through a scary version of the ride. The disbelief of your fate when you get caught and swallowed, the panic, the anticipation, the full-on horror and desperation as you realize that you're in someone's or something's stomach and can't get out. Even as you tried to hold on for just a little while longer you'd know it was eventually futile because unless something saves you, you'll be gone. It would be intially extremely terrifying to even think about how much worse it's going to get after a while. There's just nothing you could do to prepare yourself for agony like that. What would be the right course of action in a situation like that? It doesn't even matter, you'll digest all the same sooner or later. And it's going to suck, no matter how much it is your fetish.
After thinking a lot about this sort of things, I've come to the conclusion that I prefer less harmful vore. Tension can make things fun, but it gets too easily plain stressful.
>>3580611
I dream about it sometimes, if that counts.
>>3572690
I don't know if anything got me into it, but the earliest memory I have of feeling weird watching vore was Ferngully when I was like 5.
>>3572690
Pagemaster, dragon eating macaulay culkin
>>3594084
It's difficult for me to even imagine how agonizing that would be.
>>3576787
what is this from, and why do i recognize it?
