thank you tom fischbach.
>>2372624
Markiplier acts like he hates furries. He makes fun of them all of the time and didn't want to fuck a cat girl in one of his videos. When asked if he's seen his brother's stuff, he said he never has.
Is he a closet furry? Or does he really think his brother is disgusting?
>>2372722
>Markiplier
>Tom's brother
Holy shit, I can't believe I didn't make that connection before having it pointed out
>>2372722
>Markiplier acts like he hates furries. He makes fun of them all of the time
BRO, DOES HE REALLY?????
>and didn't want to fuck a cat girl in one of his videos
was it a "neko", which as far as I can tell is japanese for human with cat ears and a cat tail? because, that is not furry, to me. I wouldn't consume that through furry eyes.
>>2372806
>Mark is successful and alpha, his asianess isn't too visible
>Tom is weak and beta, full asian on the face and he has spent 10 years of his life drawing a above average webcomic, but really a bad animesque comic with furry girls who may or may not appeal to paw fetichists.
He is like the runt of the family ;_;
>>2372862
Tom is secretly 100% based for the digitigrade paws. truly a legend of our time
>>2372817
I hate when normies say "furry" for anything with a tiny animal features.
Now I hate nekos because of that, i don't have anything against monster girls yet.. but the fanbase try so much not to be associated with furries, it's jarring...
"NO POLT ISN'T A FURRY, EVEN THOUGH WE BAN EVERYTHING WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE A SNOUT"
>>2372900
I once saw a motivator on social media that was like:
>FURRIES
>Would you fuck this chick? I'd fuck this chick
and it was literally only a photo of a woman wearing a hoodie with kitty ears
i was triggered
>>2372624
Natani is a Goddess
Mark is pretty cool with furries, I'm fairly sure his blatant furry hate is just a joke to mess with his bro
Markiplier KNOWS the shit storm that would happen if he came out as a furry or a brony. The less butthurt he makes people, the less he has to worry about it
>>2373126
>I'm fairly sure his blatant furry hate is just a joke to mess with his bro
what blatant furry hate though? I've watched every episode of his FNAF content and I never saw anythin like that
>>2373148
responding to myself, but there was that instance in FNAFB where Freddy called Foxy a "yiffy piece of shit" and mark made a face.
but by the end of it he was making yiff jokes so it was all good desu senpai
>>2372862
>above average webcomic
let's not get ahead of ourselves
>>2373193
The average webcomic is pretty shit desu. Being above average in that term, doesn't mean mmuch things.
The art is good, and he kept the work for 10 years, that's something.
>>2373037
wish this board has spoiler text, cause I was gonna ask if you were spoiling anything by [SPOILERS AHEAD....] referring to that character by female pronouns...
>>2372722
>Or does he really think his brother is disgusting?
you can think that someone has a weird fetish without being disgusted by them
and he does advertise tom's comic
>>2373504
>you can think that someone has a weird fetish without being disgusted by them
not him but has Tom affirmed that being a furry is but a fetish for him? because I feel calling bieng a furry a "fetish" in all circumstances is unfair
Most furries should be like tom tbqh.
Using their skill to make anthro comics or vidya instead of porn porn porn !
In the considerable amount of furries, there should be one or two capable of writing a good story.
>>2373567
I talked to trunchbull about that
trunchbull makes a fair bit of porn, but does agree that there should be a good mix of sexual and nonsexual and the constant requests of nonsexual artists to make porn is the main reason people shit on furries in real life
>>2373271
desu everyone in this thread has probably read to like 2 or 3 chapters it takes to find out Natani is "OMG A GRILL" so I think it's cool.
>>2374375
No, I meant her wanting to be referred to by female pronouns
she identifies as male. if one were to realy like her it would seem rude to refer ro her by female pronouns, as that would be contrary to what she wants
unless that changes later into the webcomic
so is there still any chance of an alliance between the humans and the tigers
>>2372722
I haven't seen Markiplier actively say anything bad about furries other than that time he was filming inside of his brother's extra room filled with his comics and going "wow my brother's so weird drawing these comics with furries" but then laugh it off and then saying to go check out his brother's comic.
>>2376338
He played through HuniePop and every time the cat girl showed up, he'd always act grossed out and make comments about it. I figure he had to be acting that way on purpose, however, as she doesn't even look like a fucking cat. But still, his behavior annoyed me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wpx_RYkid4
>>2376431
That seems like something furries in denial do to look normal.
>>2372817
>neko
it really bothers me when a fantasy race is just a human with some tangential animal feature like a tail or dog or cat ears because thats just boring
>>2372900
it's funny because some monster girl fags are more furry that actual furries. they get off to centaurs and other shit that has a human face and torso but animal everything else.
like centaurs have human top halves but rest is straight up feral horse. they skipped anthro and went straight to feral and use the human part to justify it.
>>2376431
he is trying too hard
it's just a human woman with cat ears
>>2372900
>I hate when normies say "furry" for anything with a tiny animal features.
>“I’m sorry, Crystal, but it is my obligation as a mother to help you Learn your Important Lesson. What kind of parent would I be to let you walk around with a fox tail and ears and red hair? Furries would be all over you.” Sarah said.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-techno-queen-iii.311201/page-25#post-15405229
I don't know why it bothers me
>>2374427
>/out/
The best part of Tom is his porn stash which he is terrible at hiding but desperately wishes to.
who the fuck is markiplier
>>2374427
Aw poor diddums, did you confuse 4chan with Tumblr? Sorry we didn't respect your fictional character's pronouns. You should ask Fisbach if she's transnigger too
>>2377034
Were you born yesterday faggot? Also know how to use Google?
>>2372722
I'm just wondering how their parents are taking it that both of their kids are making their money by whoring themselves out to the internet. These are ASIAN parents we're talking about. I bet their family gatherings are a countdown to "when will you two go to medical school?"
>>2374427
>>2374427
>>>2374375
>No, I meant her wanting to be referred to by female pronouns
she identifies as male. if one were to realy like her it would seem rude to refer ro her by female pronouns, as that would be contrary to what she wants
unless that changes later into the webcomic
>it would seem rude to refer ro her by female pronouns
>that would be contrary to what she wants
>what she wants
>she
Ahahahahaha
>>2373242
>he kept the work for 10 years
Honestly, this is a thing that bothers me about webcomics and webcomics artists. Usually, there's no end in sight. And a proper narrative needs an end. It's like webcomics artists see this unending canvas before them, and think they have to protray every inane aspect of their characters' lives. Honestly, a webcomic with big stretches of nothing can never hold my attention. Things need to happen, characters need to develop. If I skip ahead one year in the archives, and they're in the same place, saying the same things, doing the same things, being the same people, I usually won't think it's a good comic.
But it's a paradox, because a webcomic sells itself, not its author.
>>2377034
not sure if bait or legitimately retarded. I'll bite and say he's an e-celeb who's Tom's brother.
>>2377176
>one of them openly criticizes Asian cultural norms with a race of rats in his furry softcore comic, and reportedly has all but retreated from reality
>the other, while successful, has all but abandoned their cultural roots to be an American web sensation, to the point where you'd have to look twice to see that he isn't a swole white man, who also dyes his moustache pink (charity or not, he's still dying his moustache pink)
If their parents are as Asian as I think, I don't think they're invited to family gatherings anymore.
>>2376997
respecting someone's arbitrary wishes when you love them is not too alien of a concept m8...
>>2377602
Basically, it's gay to fuck Natani ?
It could be fun to see HIM panting and moaning in denial as Keith fuck HIS fresh pussy.
Otherwise, an underdevelopped point of 2kinds is the fact that Keidran lives 20years. It can be used for quite the dramatic love story but Fishbach isn't talented enough for that.
>>2377486
Only half of his family is asian, Mark and Tom are half Korean half German.
>>2377635
>Basically, it's gay to fuck Natani ?
No, it's not. in practice, it is straight.
but, as the biologically female who is Natani identifies as male, fucking such a character drips with notions of its being gay, as long as you consider her personality and psyche, and not only her physical form.
I don't understand how the autists abov somehow think acknowledging a character's disconnect between their sex and gender makes one a tumblrfag. It is literally written into their personality. how do you justify arbitrarily-ignoring parts of a character while claiming you adore them?
everyone here is so insecure
>>2379027
>everyone here is so insecure
I think this statement answers your own question. People naturally like to think in binary. Yes or no, is or isn't, male or female. Gender ambiguity is by its very nature an insecurity.
>>2379334
>Gender ambiguity is by its very nature an insecurity.
define "insecurity"
>>2379334
please explain also how identifying as male when your body is female is "ambiguous"
>>2377034
Correct
>>2377602
First off, fake character. Secondly the world was moving just fine with people living their lives as it were without getting all whiney about bullshit pronouns. That's what is wrong. Needing to be a special complicated snowflake that also needs to be understood perfectly. Fuck that. Be whatever the fuck you are without throwing a hissy fit if someone calls you by what the social norm has long since set. There's no actual harm being done. But all that aside, SHE'S A FUCKING FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
>>2381176
>First off, fake character.
>But all that aside, SHE'S A FUCKING FICTIONAL CHARACTER.
this isn't about right or wrong, or even "throwing a hissy fit" or not. this is about literally arbitrarily-rejecting an aspect of a character that was written into their infrastructure, because you've decided that properly acknowledging it makes one a tumblrfag.
like, seriously?... I just do not understand how anyone can think "I love this character" is the same as "I love this character, but only on the condition I refuse to acknowledge a fundamental part of their personality, as it triggers me".
the thing is, it is not the same. your being triggered by the character's disconnect between sex and gender does not make arbitrarily-rejecting that aspect of them magically standard when it comes to consumung them. If you must arbitrarily-reject such a fundamental aspect of the character in order to consume it, it means you are NOT a fan of the character in practice. do you really not understand?
I can't say "I love My Little Pony, but I hate ponies". that means you do not love My Little Pony in practice, as you can't consume the original sourcd material. it is non-standard cherrypicking, and it signifies an inability to consume the raw material in its entirety, which you cannot... calling people who can "tumblrfag" and such is retarded. you are the one being triggered by the original content. this doesn't even have any influence on reality, nor does it signifies on's ideology in regards on the topic. it is a fucking webcomic character
>>2381444
I don't give a fuck what a fictional character's preferred pronouns are. If it has tits, a vagina, and is biologically female, it's a female.
>>2384655
holy fuck are you retarded. I hope you aren't too retarded to understand hypothetical scenarios, though it appears you are, as you seem to distinguish "fictional character" from the contrary when it comes to their preferences for self-referencing pronouns, as if hypothetical scenarios mean nothing to you when you want them to mean nothing.
suppose I create an OC. it is an apple. It identifies as male.
my aforementioned OC is literally simply an apple which identifies as male. It written into its personality that my apple OC identifies as male.
You cannot claim that you love my apple OC but only under the condition that it doesn't fancy identifying as male. you're fucking retarded. you cannot compromise the integrity of my OC then claim you love it. You do not love MY apple OC: you love a reduced version of it, as you had to remove a property pertaining to it in order to consume it.
The hypothetical scenario I was using ends here, in case you want to be a retarded autistburger who can't understand hypothetical scenarios, and want to arbitrarily-reject it on the sheer basis of it being hypothetical.
Now, consider the character "Natani" from TwoKinds. Her sex is female, and she identifies as male (therefore, her gender is male). It is literally written into her character that she identifies as male
The character "Natani" from TwoKinds identifies as male. If you can't deal with that, it means you don't love the character. I don't understand how autistic you have to be to not understand this. and I don't mean the 4chan buzzword coward's "autism" insult people throw around to mean "people who disagree with me while I have yet to even propose an argument to them, for them". I mean literal you lack the capacity to comprehend this, as you were born without the sympathy required to grasp it
If you consume "Natani" you must consume her identifying as male, elsewise you compromise the integrity of her character and do not love HER, but a reduced version of her
>>2385349
>Now, consider the character "Natani" from TwoKinds. Her sex is female, and she identifies as male (therefore, her gender is male).
That's not how it works.
>>2385349
I'm somewhat confused on how you can sit here and argue that she should be referred to as male, but insist on referring to her yourself exclusively with female pronouns. It kind of defeats any point you're attempting to make.
>>2385944
this is the kind of quality conversation you can expect from the amazing denizens of 4chan, folks. when someone disagrees with a proposed definition of a word, they simply CLAIM it's otherwise! On the internet! Where every modern dictionary and encyclopaedia has been transcribed and uploaded to the internet, for free!
quality
>>2386040
>I'm somewhat confused on how you can sit here and argue that she should be referred to as male, but insist on referring to her yourself exclusively with female pronouns. It kind of defeats any point you're attempting to make.
I am not consuming the character, I am simply referring to it. I invest no emotion in the character, so referring to it as it wishes would serve no purpose.
If I were consuming the character, however, I would... consume the character... that is what one does when they consume something; they consume it.... therefore, I would refer to Natani using male pronouns.
I wouldn't say, "Natani is a goddess", as >>2373037. I would say, "Natani is a god", as I'm investing emotion in the character and wish to indulge in them. I don't understand how others find this so hard to understand. They literally have proposed no argument against it so far, as everything they've raised has been "hurr, go back to tumblr" and "I don't care", which are not arguments. it's being proud of an arbitrary distinction you cannot and likely lack the capacity to even ever defend.
>>2376338
What video was that?
>>2386091
>>2386091
>this is the kind of quality conversation you can expect from the amazing denizens of 4chan, folks. when someone disagrees with a proposed definition of a word, they simply CLAIM it's otherwise! On the internet! Where every modern dictionary and encyclopaedia has been transcribed and uploaded to the internet, for free!
Alright, we can use the definitions straight from those dictionaries.
Gender:
1
a : a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms
b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass
c : an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass
2
a : sex <the feminine gender>
b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
Set 1 only applies to languages, so let's focus on set 2.
>sex <the feminine gender>
Natani's sex is female, thus, by this definition, her gender is female.
>the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
This describes the sex itself, not a person, and thus has no bearing on Natani
So by the definitions of the word, either Natani's gender is female, or gender does not apply and thus she has no gender. No matter what definition you use, Natani's gender is not male no matter how strongly she identifies as such.
Please provide evidence to support any future arguments you choose to make.
>>2386803
where did you fetch this definition from
>>2386849
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
>>2386877
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
>2
>b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
how did you manage to get "this describes the sex itself, not a person" from a dictionary definition stating that- among cultural traits, which is irrelevant to this conversation- behavioral and psychological traits dictate a human's gender?
Ignoring the seeming false equivalency (and your seeming passive aggression, as "Please provide evidence to support any future arguments you choose to make" is a bullshit jerking off in my direction that you dislike me that proposes no logic defending anything, and is thus philosophically worthless, and selfish on your part), explain to me how one's identifying as male does not inherently render their psyche one that conforms to the male gender according to your own definition you cited? Identifying as male has certain inherent consequences, not the least of which is obviously the human's very understanding of being male dictating their everything, so how does self-identifying as male not render one one of the male gender?
>came to the thread for TwoKinds/Markiplier discussion
>overtaken by a tumblrite getting uppity over a fictional female character being "misgendered"
>>2387213
>I am butthurt I can't defend myself in argument, so I will be passive-aggressive to the guy I disagree with
>>2387232
>says the guy sperging out over people's headcanons
>>2387254
who are you quoting?
>>2387270
The guy getting assblasted that people are calling Natani female and has bring gender sementics into this thread and dismisses every argument as "buzzwords" or being butthurt
>>2387335
You are so fucking retarded. You are literally just butthurt you cannot defend yourself in argument, so you are vaguely shitposting in my direction that you don't respect me, as you can do nothing else.
Fuck off to somewhere else, and qq to someone else, you unbelievable cowardly niggerfaggot.
>>2387370
There's no way this isn't bait
>>2387435
behold, human. I, too, am vaguely unimpressed by your post. examine my reaction
insert vaguely condescending remark about how unimpressed i am by you
>>2386967
>behavioral and psychological traits dictate a human's gender
It states no such thing. It doesn't even imply that. It refers specifically to the sex and the traits associated with it. People are not a part of that definition whatsoever.
>proposes no logic defending anything, and is thus philosophically worthless, and selfish on your part
That is precisely what I am attempting to get you to avoid doing. Yet you continue to spew out large posts with no evidence to back them up. I believe your insistence that people take your word for it while simultaneously claiming that others are ignoring easily provided definitions is far more selfish than me providing readily accessible evidence to support my position with the expectation that you would do the same.
>explain to me how one's identifying as male does not inherently render their psyche one that conforms to the male gender according to your own definition you cited? Identifying as male has certain inherent consequences, not the least of which is obviously the human's very understanding of being male dictating their everything, so how does self-identifying as male not render one one of the male gender?
Because that is quite literally not how gender is defined.
>when someone disagrees with a proposed definition of a word, they simply CLAIM it's otherwise!
You wished to bring the actual definition into this. Please do not fall into the same behavior you are accusing others of just because it doesn't support your position.
Daily reminder that Natani is cannonicaly mentally ill and she will be cured somehow by the end of the comic.
>>2387370
>getting autistic over the gender of an made up character
>keeps arguing even though nobody gives a shit
>autistic rampage
>>2387478
>That is precisely what I am attempting to get you to avoid doing. Yet you continue to spew out large posts with no evidence to back them up.
Are you actually fucking retarded? I don't understand how you can literally ignore every argument I have ever raised in this thread and pursue an inconsequential, irrelevant, possible misuse of a single word, and think whatever masturbatory non-referencial bullshit you pull out of your arse against my arguments holds any value. If you actually believe my arguments are unsubstantiated, please go back, respond to them, and propose a counter argument proving them being such, as anyone can merely claim anything, and such claims can very easily contradict the actual properties of this universe, so they are not inherently true. that means your vaguely claiming here that my arguments are unsubstantiated. stop the bullshit. stop being a passive aggressive cuntfagnigger
>It states no such thing. It doesn't even imply that
>that is quite literally not how gender is defined.
>You wished to bring the actual definition into this. Please do not fall into the same behavior you are accusing others of just because it doesn't support your position.
So, your entire "argument" is assertion claiming that the definition you cited conforms to what you wish it to. Alright. quality conversation, fampai.
you sure destroyed the opposing party in argument. you sure systematically, objectively correlated every part of their argument you disagree with that illogical. You sure proved your understanding of the definition you cited to conform to what you wish it to, by merely claiming it does. this isn't an argument by assertion fallacy at all, where the entire breadth of your argument is sheer unfounded assertion that none but those susceptible to its indoctrination would heed, and conform to. not at all. nope. quality arguments f a m p a i
>>2387675
>I don't understand how you can literally ignore every argument I have ever raised in this thread
You've made a lot of claims, but without any evidence, that's all they are, and as you said
>anyone can merely claim anything, and such claims can very easily contradict the actual properties of this universe
Thus I am asking you to give some evidence to support them so that I can debate properly with you. Until then all they are is "masturbatory non-referencial bullshit you pulled out of your arse"
>assertion claiming that the definition you cited conforms to what you wish it to
The definition defines gender as a property of the sexes. It's very clear in that regard. Please stop trying to alter the definition to fit your still-unfounded arguments.
>>2387919
>You've made a lot of claims, but without any evidence, that's all they are, and as you said
I don't understand... I don't understand how you can be literally too afraid to acknowledge and respond to my arguments, yet still think your vague, non-referential opinions on my arguments holds any value.
You literally are too afraid to actually acknowledge and even attempt to rebut my arguments, yet you think your vaguely claiming they're unsubstantiated is worth anything. You L I T E R A L L Y are too afraid to view the content of my arguments, understand it, and propose to me where and how any of what I said is actually unsubstantiated, but you think merely claiming it is is proves it is such.
I will never be able to understand such blatant deluded human bullshit.
>The definition defines gender as a property of the sexes. It's very clear in that regard. Please stop trying to alter the definition to fit your still-unfounded arguments
You literally are too afraid to acknowledge and attempt to rebut my argument. You are literally only claiming that your opinions are correct, without even acknowledging what the opposing party has proposed against you. The opposing party has literally straight called you out on this, and you ignore it. You ignore the fact that I, the one supposedly "arguing" with you, has told you that all your "argument" is is assertion that your opinions are correct, despite those assertions being very much unfounded
You literally lack the capacity to even propose the logic correlating your opinions to the source that supposedly reflects those opinions. Yet, you think argument by assertion fallacies that claim what you wish to be true proves such things to be true
I've literally called you out on your argument by assertion fallacies. You didn't even ask me to prove your argument's possibly conforming to that fallacy renders your opinion false; you only claimed that your opinions are correct in the face of that
goodbye. enjoy being deluded
>>2388051
I have expressed no opinions. I gave the word exactly as it was defined and I interpreted the definitions as literally as they were written with no external assumptions.
I have zero stake in the outcome of this argument. If you were able to provide evidence to support your position, I would have no problem acknowledging if it was correct. But you still have yet to do so, which would lead one to believe that you do not in fact have any evidence to support it.
>You ignore the fact that I, the one supposedly "arguing" with you, has told you that all your "argument" is is assertion that your opinions are correct, despite those assertions being very much unfounded
I have spent this entire time waiting for this to not apply to your own "arguments"
>goodbye. enjoy being deluded
It's unfortunate, but I suppose I must say the same to you.
>>2388249
Pretty sure this guy is just taking everyone for a ride or is severely autistic. Either way further discussion is about as effective as trying to convince CWC to accept blue arms.
>gender politics
>in the trash
All is right in the world
Has the author of twokinds ever gone full-on porn with his characters? There's plenty of edits and fanart but has he ever done any real smut?
>>2389358
Not really, at least not anything that he's shared publicly. What he's drawn for his own private use is anyone's guess, but he also used to be really weirded out by the kind of art people made of his characters, and the furry fandom in general since he was somehow unaware of it when he started drawing a comic with anthropomorphic animals. I guess he's more or less okay with it now, but he still doesn't do anything directly porn as far as I know.
