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All hail Fruiticus the Mistransformed, long may he reign edition
Old Thread: >>5734504
First for G1 Alpha Bravo.
alert alert: cw drag strip 16 bucks on amazon atm
So which boxset combiner would best to get when they go on deep discount?
G2 Superioron, G2 Menasor, Vicky or Fruiticus?
>>5737977
If you aren't scared for Slingshot's lifespan, then I recommend them in the following order:
G2 Superion > Fruiticus >>> G2 Menasor >>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vicky
>>5737977
The one you like the most. I got Superion, and Menasor when they both hit 70.
Personally, Menasor is has better playability since you don't have to fear paint or tampos coming off when transforming (Superion is awful about this)
Late as fuck, but I finally went to a walmart and picked up my first CW toy. Wanted to pick up Blast-Off to have on hand since I'm getting the UW Bruticus, but they didn't have it. So I picked up Wheeljack instead, and I fucking love this guy.
It got me thinking, though. I kinda wanna make a Galvatronus using limbs made of dead Autobots. Since I'll probably never get the Grand Galvatron set. Thinking Wheeljack, Ironhide, and Prowl so far. Who should be number four and which autobots should be which limbs?
>>5738002
Anon just get the full set of Bruticus on Hasbrotoyshop. Free shipping with a discount right now.
Busting these open. Who's ready to get wrecked... gared. Wreck-gar'd.
>>5737977
G2 Superion's already constantly bouncing as low as $70 on Amazon.
>>5737984
On the note of GPS, is it true that Armada Super Base Optimus Prime suffers from it?
>>5738008
I want the option to have Blast-Off as both a jet and a shuttle. So it's UW for me.
>>5738002
Are you limiting yourself to G1 cartoon deaths
>>5738030
G1 cartoon is preferred, but I'll bend if I like the autobot in question. Who do you have in mind?
>>5738031
Mirage.
>>5738035
I like it. How does he die and in which media?
>>5738044
'86 movie, isn't he shown as dead in the same scene as Wheeljack, or am I not remembering correctly?
>>5738054
Well that would explain a lot. But he isn't officially dead, is he? Still, worth considering.
Would like to hear other ideas, though.
>>5738058
Well, Ratchet is going to be in the UW Skyreign set, so theres another confirmed absolutely dead from the movie.
>>5738058
>But he isn't officially dead, is he?
He's never seen again so it's safe to assume he died in the attack.
>>5738060
Aren't all Lynxmaster limbs dead?
>>5738066
That just means he's going to be around $150 off import sites rather than $120 or so,
Finally found Shockwave in stores
>>5738068
Hound and Trailbreaker weren't killed on screen in the film, but they were retired from the show so they might as well be dead.
Hound was killed by starscream in the terrible unberbase saga from the comics, don't know about Trailbreaker.
>>5738002
Alpha Bravo is technically G1 thanks to FunPub and he was killed by Toxitron.
Smokescreen was killed by Cybertronians in G2 #8
All the Aerialbots were killed in Dreamwave's G1 and Transformer/G.I. Joe continuities.
Mirage got killed by Starscream in Marvel G1 #50. Hound met the same fate in #60
Trailcutter was killed in IDW
Streetwise (and pretty much everyone) died in Regeneration One.
>>5738076
Well, they could pull a "Galvatronus" and give dead limbs to Skylynx or revive fallen cybertrons, which make me wish there was a dlx cw Windcharger.
>>5738080
>>5738076
That really helped me a lot, thanks guys.
Ended up being a choice between Hound and Mirage. I'm going with Mirage since Hound's altmode is easily the worst in the CW line. Which, by the way, makes me mad as fuck knowing Swindle is stuck with that same mold. I fucking love Swindle. He deserves better.
>>5738088
If the arms could fold away it'd work better,could even mold little seats on the rotated part.
>>5738088
You could use Shockwave as the weapon because he was also supposed to die in the 86 movie.
>>5738092
It was a complete mistake to use that mold for Swindle. The engineering doesn't allow for anything resembling a good jeep mode, and on top of that the bulky robot mode doesn't fit him at all. Not to mention that front end in the alt mode is the definition of ugly.
>>5738093
Already using MP Shockwave as a regular Decepticon team member. Aside from that, the point was to use dead autobots specifically. For reasons.
>>5738061
Mirage appears in a non-flashback scene in the '87 Headmasters cartoon. But then again, Prowl's also walking around just fine in that series, even though he's specifically cited in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening" as being dead per the events of TF: The Movie, soooo...
>>5738097
Yeah it's like Brainstorm and Blurr, it works for one, but for the other.. it's crap, and in both instances, detrimental to the one who originally had the gimmick.
>>5738092
The fists are supposed to be the seat backs.
>>5738111
Well they don't look it.
Nice idea btw.
>>5738088
Literally fight me, I like the Swindle mold and think he's easily the one who came out best out of the Combaticons.
>>5738138
I think their problem mainly is that it doesn't work for Swindle.
>>5738106
If he had double elbow joints he could transform like the generations, still missing a longer cockpit and fins in altmode.
>>5738138
Me too. I think it's a great update.
![attachment[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JnQmv5B.jpg "attachment[2].jpg")
who's ready to get more toys of your favorite leg humping autobot
>>5738184
eye thjoght he ded.
>>5738215
He got brought back by his loyal servants, but who the fuck cares about wheelie to bring him back? I'm just gonna assume he never died. If brains could live then wheelie could too.
>>5738215
He was explained though.
Probably the same thing as brains and barricade. I wonder how him and brains got seperated.
>>5738088
>I'm going with Mirage since Hound's altmode is easily the worst in the CW line. Which, by the way, makes me mad as fuck knowing Swindle is stuck with that same mold. I fucking love Swindle. He deserves better.
What? Swindle's mold is fucking amazing. The Rook remold is great.
>>5737960
looks like a Go Bot
>>5738258
Swindle's the remold.
>>5738262
Yes. Like I said: The Rook remold (ie: Swindle and Hound) is great.
>>5738265
You ain't tricking me, sunshine.
>>5737960
>be Wang Li, son of Wong Shu
>literally slaving away in a factory making toys and cheap shit
>your supervisor hands you a box with 100 assembled Alpha Bravo pegs with heads on them
>you have 15 minutes to put paint apps on them
>suddenly, you spy a torso missing a head
>you're sure the piece must be in your box but you dare not rifle through it for fear of losing time
>as you finish painting about half of the torsos (putting them into your outbound box as you do), you realize that you don't see the piece at all
>if you point out this error then you will beaten and fined
>5 minutes left
>you scramble like a madman
>4 minutes left
>you hear your supervisor starting to make rounds
>3 minutes left
>you finish the last complete connector/chest assembly
>2 minutes left
>you freeze, your mind filled with a thousand thoughts
>1 minute left
>like an absolute madman you leap into action
>0 minutes left
>your supervisor strolls up just as you toss the piece into you outbound bin
>he is a thick man grown strong thanks to imported American fast food
>his laser-like gaze sweeps your bin
>you hold your breath
>he gives you the okay and grabs it, heading for the next stage of the assembly line
>you breath a sigh of relief: you will have enough money to buy red bean paste and cheap pork tonight.
I fucked up and posted this in the old thread. Apologies.
Was the Marvel series the very first Transformers continuity? The on-sale date of the first issue predates the Sunbow cartoon by months (spring of '84 > September, '84), but I can't find any specific publication dates other than just "1984" for storybooks like "The Battle for Cybertron." Or any specific release dates for the 1984 toys and their tech specs.
>>5738273
No that was his buddy, his name was brains.
>>5738282
You'd probably have better luck with that on an actual messageboard forum instead of shitpost central.
>>5738282
I think the Marvel shit might've been the first, but most people seem to look to the show as the definitive thing.
>>5738282
Yes, after Hasbro got the rights to sell the toys under the transformers brand they hired Marvel to create the characters and basic stories.
>>5738282
Yes, and Hasbro had Marvel creators hash out the core aspects of the storyline and name the characters as they had with GI Joe. even the show follows the essentials of that(even though it branched out differently)
>>5738287
Its funny, in the early days of the TF fandom on ATT, the comic seemed to be the preferred thing. The cartoon was fondly remembered but seen as less refined, with the exception of certain things like the movie. These where mainly fans who had stuck to the franchise even in the deader periods of the late 80's to early 90's, where comics where the only new media for Transformers in the west.
Then as dVDs became big, and latter on, the 07 movie, brought in more waves of new fans who had nostalgia for the cartoon, it drowned out the comic fandom in numbers, now relegating it to a niche.
>>5738281
funny stuff, but i'm pretty sure some cheapskate wanted Alpha Bravo's head to repaint for Blast Off but didn't want to pay $15+ US for it. Apple Barrel paint and a little tape is much cheaper!
>>5738299
Moral of the story: Transformers sucks and liking it was a mistake.
>>5738258
>That awkward as fuck front end that no actual jeep would have
>Those blatantly visible fists inside the cab
>Those shoulders just hanging there in the back
>Too bulky for Swindle as a character
It's shit.
>>5738299
>in the early days of the TF fandom on ATT, the comic seemed to be the preferred thing.
Just like TMNT, the bastardized cartoon was label the original, then years later both franchises ended in the hands of Bay.
>>5738287
The Marvel stuff also doesn't get credit for the fact that it actually created most of the character traits for many characters. The cartoon did some things, but the comics established a lot more.
Though personally, I never liked the comics, as I really never liked what they did with Shockwave and Megatron. Megatron was always taking everyone's shit, and Shockwave shouldn't have been on top for as long as he was. I think Shockwave is better when he has a "for the greater good" mindset, not just "I want to rule"
>>5738299
As someone growing up in the 80's and 90's, my preference for the cartoon mostly came from the fact the Marvel comic had eye-searingly terrible art, even for it's time.
People may complain about some current IDW artists, but between the coloring tech available today and the way comic art keeps evolving, it pisses all over the 80's comics.
>>5738314
Yeah, it's not Swindle was ever super chunky or anything. I mean, he never had a toy where he was a big fat fuck, right? It totally couldn't be the fault of comics drawing him as a small guy or anything, right?
>>5738329
Generation 2 had awesome art
>>5738333
It had alright art for it's time. The cover art was pretty baller though, but honesty, they couldn't back it up with that many good toys and was pretty unrelated to anything else at the time, unlike IDW today sometimes influencing the toys and vice versa.
>>5738332
It's the arms you dense fuck.
>>5738299
>>5738297
>>5738282
Just in case you guys are too Generation Z, Marvel was involved with many cartoons in the 80s, including Transformers. If you watch the credits to the end, you'll see an early CGI Spiderman hop down on the Marvel Productions logo.
>>5738327
>Optimus Prime kills himself over a video game
Which is the best CHUG Hot Rod?
>>5737960
that's very creative
>>5738332
This is what "true" fans wanted.
>>5738351
Upcoming titans return Rod.
>>5738329
>but between the coloring tech available today and the way comic art keeps evolving, it pisses all over the 80's comics.
Its not really that. Sure coloring helps a lot, but the basic thing is that modern comic artists have 20+ years of other mecha stuff to reference, other depictions of the characters, well detailed and articulated toys, etc. to build upon. A lot of them are fans already, so they know these character designs well. The Marvel guys working 20 years ago only had some barely articulated toys and maybe a model sheet to go off of, and didn't really know the characters.
The funny thing is, even though they drew worse transformers, a lot of those 80's artists are all-around better draftsmen than a lot of modern TF artists. Mainly because, being fans-turned-pros, they only ever drew TF/mecha stuff, where as the old Marvel artists had to bounce from book to book. A lot of modern TF artists are great at Transformers, but suck at drawing people, animals, buildings, or even vehicles(which probably helps the reliance on alien alt-modes and not transforming at all).While that's alright for Transformers comics since its not like people read them to see people and other mundane stuff anyway, it does become obvious when modern DW/TDW Transformers artists only really ever work on TF comics.
>>5738358
>While that's alright for Transformers comics since its not like people read them to see people and other mundane stuff anyway
Funny part is, I like the comics specifically because they don't try to pull bullshit with humans being the absolute fucking focal point of everything unlike those shitty Bay movies.
Even in G1 humans were just there or something to be abused as a plot point, not the stars.
>>5738299
Not really.
Dreamwave pandered and pandered hard to the cartoon fans and got bitched the fuck so hard after the first mini, they ended up pandering hard to the comic fans with their second mini onward.
To the point that you had cartoon fags bitching and throwing shit fits that Dreamwave was using the Marvel Comics version of Shockwave as far as making Shockwave betray Megatron without a second thought and generally being portrayed as Budinsky intended, as far as a competent version of Starscream who actually wins in his war of usurping Megatron.
>>5738365
Anyone know why they basically stole Starscream's entire character and grafted it onto Shockwave, granted with the cavet of Shockwave was actually good at backstabbing and getting away with it? Did the writers hate Starscream or some shit?
>>5738365
Dreamwave was still in the last days of the period I mentioned. But of course, it didn't compare to the Eternal september that the Bay movie bought in.
>>5738369
It was a convergence of things: Bob Budiansky was ordered to shill Shockwave hard to sell his toy and he never got much time to play with Starscream until the Underbase Saga, because the original four issue mini basically was bi-monthly and took eight months to publish, meaning season one was over when the series was made into a monthly ongoing.
Also he wrote himself into a corner with the ending of issue four with Megatron being poisoned and incapacitated. Someone had to take over as the big bad once the series went from mini-series to ongoing and Shockwave was on hand.
>>5738365
>who actually wins in his war of usurping Megatron
The reason I always hated that was because it made it questionable as to how Megatrom held onto leadership for more than a day. In the comics, he started the war, you'd think he'd be tougher.
It makes Shockwave look powerful, but it makes Megatron look pathetic.
>>5738314
I kinda agree but not really because it's a pretty good toy.
>>5738399
The altmode fails in what it should be doing. It's not much of a disguise if you can see those big fucking robot arms. The alt mode is what kills the mold for me.
>>5738405
It'd make a good junkion.
>>5738076
Is Trailcutter the only Sky Reign member to have those unique HFG fingers? I'm fucking sold either way.
>>5738405
You can say the same for tons of 'bots man.
>>5738299
You sure about that? When I first got online in the late nineties pretty much everything TF was in regards to the cartoon and the comics fans were an extreme niche. Guess, like you said, they were mainly hanging out on ATT and not the message boards and forums at the time, but it feels like love for the comics didn't start becoming a big thing until the mid 00's. I never even saw people prefering the comic over cartoon until checking out The Allspark in 2002.
I just got the 2003 Landfill Devastator. I only had Wedge and Grimlock as a kid so this is kinda fun.
Man, these toys suck, though! I love it!
Also excuse the G2-itude, my phone has shitty color reproduction.
>>5738417
Yup, i'm not sure if the UW version will have it.
>>5738411
God, what a whinge-a-thon. Complete ignorance of market realities, just for starters.
>>5738423
>G2 Devastator
WANT
>>5738423
Wedge is still great,and Hightower is solid. I like his tiny handgun a lot.
>>5738429
It actually looks kinda nice, doesn't it? But I like the day-glo green of the actual toy. Sorry my phone stirred such unrequited passions.
But seriously, let's talk about RID2001 for a bit.
>>5738143
I've heard the TR Brainstorm mold will also be used to make IDW-like Star Saber
Does anyone acknowledges this rumor?
>>5738430
Yeah, Wedge is My Dude. I still have him, 100% complete. I could stick him on Devastator for a goof if anyone wants to see.
I also super-dig Hightower's tiny gun, but having to partsform is KINDA WEIRD... though God Magnus does too and he's also rad as hell.
>>5738423
As someone who grew up with G1, I gotta say it always made me wonder as a kid why Devy was green. Never saw a green construction vehicle in my life, but yellow ones were everywhere.
Yellow Devy's one of the few G2 recolors I like because of that.
>>5738430
Yeah, I still have my Wedge, 100% complete. I could swap him for Bonecrusher for a goof if the thread wants.
Hightower's tiny gun is neat, but his partsforming is weird. Magnus's is too, but at least it facilitates Omega Prime, the coolest toy of all time.
In case you couldn't guess, RID2001 was my first series.
>>5738433
Gigatron is best -tron.
>>5738405
No need for the smarmy reaction pic.
I just don't care that much for the looks of it if it's a good toy.
>>5738428
lol
>>5738437
Ha, I was the same way. Hell, I just assumed I had shitty G1 VHS tapes and he was supposed to be more yellow anyway.
>>5738435
Not even a rumor, someone said on past threads that Brainstorm could work for a custom Saber, just because the shield could be used as the cockpit of the g1 pegging it on the shoulder.
>>5737948
I wish G2 Onslaught used neon purple or something. The yellow looks awful on it.
>>5738439
Devil Gigatron is sexy as hell. Where are my goddamn Car Robots homages in Generations, HasBLOW!?!?!?!
>>5738448
I mean, IDW Star Saber isn't a brainmaster. If you want a Brainmaster nesting-doll figure - and I don't blame you, I eat that shit up! - the Masterpiece is right there.
>>5738385
Marvel Comic Megatron was never a barbarian fighter from hell like Dreamwave or IDW. He was more or less a warrior who got by on being smart but not too smart, hence why Shockwave could ruse him like he did.
Also, Megatron and Shockwave never had a real one on one fight with Megatron at full health. When Shockwave took over, Megatron was at half health due to the poisoning and made the mistake of challenging Shockwave before he was fully healed.
Megatron also only got power back as a feint: Megatron was getting ready to stage a coup and Shockwave used the loss of the gesalt tech to step down, even after Megatron fucked up his coup plans by getting his army massacred by Omega Supreme. And even then, was still planning to kill Megatron culminating in issue #25.
>>5738450
Too big, not in the scale I collect.
>>5738453
I can respect a smaller-scale collection. But it's gonna be very unlikely for a brainmaster gimmick to be implemented on a mass-release scale without substantial sacrifices, if at all.
>>5738453
>Too big
Just play with the Saber part, the little jet that combines with the Brainmaster but not the full Star Saber combination, then? And when Combiners show up, go Star Saber to stop them?
....fuck, Goldran MP when...
>>5738281
Joke's on you, CW is made in Vietnam, not China!
>>5738460
>Goldran MP when...
Unfortunately never, the MP Brave series tanked with it's first two releases, it's either the original two or the SOC if they made one for you.
>>5738468
MP Star Saber already suffers hugely from the gimmick - a Masterpiece that can't fucking look up.
>>5738453
Get the Robot Masters toy then, there's even a Victory Leo for him to combine with
>>5738476
Don't do this actually. No knees, no forward hip motion, awful plastic, no Brainmaster (just Saber and Star Saber, and Saber is hollow).
>>5738479
A brainmaster that didn't cripple articulation at mass-market scale would be the size of an Adderal pill.
If you don't realize the problem of people losing it - a problem the whole Titan Master assortment, a whole SIZE CLASS this year, is dedicated to mitigating - I don't know what to tell you.
>>5738482
Your uncreative, don't worry about it.
>>5738483
>Your uncreative
My uncreative what?
anyway I really wish MP Star Saber had better accessory/parts storage. In practice I can store most of the parts in the hollows of Star Saber's legs but the stand adapter for the shield is an infuriating exception and even discounting that, it's still frustratingly kludgey.
>>5738484
Sorry mein fuhrer, "You're".
Pls don't send me to grammer school.
Is the Classics Rodimus mold any good and if yes which is the best version?
>>5738495
No, you'd be better getting the upcoming headmaster, if you don't mind the fact he's a headmaster.
>>5738495
No, get the MP if you want the best Hotrod that will probably be made for a long, long time.
>>5738418
It's true. And consequently there's a ton of bots that are "ruined" for me. I'm perfectly fine with kibble in a robot mode, but the other way around makes my autism flare up hard.
>>5738495
It's dated. Hindered articulation and 3mm hands. I would recommend Energon Rodimus Prime but the Titanmaster coming up looks good, wait for that instead.
>>5738282
proper Transformers yes, if we include related materials then Diaclone and Microman come first
>>5738358
>which probably helps the reliance on alien alt-modes and not transforming at all
that just reminds me of one of my biggest peeves about the IDW continuity, they're just dreadful about properly using any of the interesting things about Transformers, heck if they could get away with it I'm sure they'd just have all Transformers get dosed up with Nucleon and drop Alt-Modes entirely
>>5737948
Tempted to get this because it's the only variation of Bruticus I don't have yet. Not sure what to call it though
>Superlink Bruticus + FP upgrade = Bruticus
>FOC Bruticus = Fruiticus
>CW G2 Bruticus = ???
>>5738534
If you get that make sure to get the Microblaze upgrade kit, makes it look so much better
>>5738538
>>5738541
I cuncer
I reckon this'uns better.
>>5738543
That's the same kit anon
>>5738545
Youse posted the shitter one earlier, thats the deleted yuh see? I's was agreein with you.
>>5738548
To make it not shitty.
Most of the time it doesn't though.
>>5738548
Well, at least back in the day, whole original figures were not getting made. So it was an upgrade or nothing.
But there is a limit to how much you can polish a turd.
>>5737948
>>5738184
How exciting, video from the 90's.
>>5738092
>>5738097
I would be all over third party arms for Swindle that become something more sensible in jeep mode. Hell, he doesn't even get the hulk hands option that Rook had.
All that said, for reasons I can't explain, I fucking love Swindle. There's just something about his robot mode that I can't get enough of.
>>5738351
Cybertron Excellion
>>5738433
Man, I wish I could have gotten RID Magnus.
I did get Yellow RID Prime back when I first got into collecting. The mold just jumped out at me as being obviously amazing, and more importantly, it looked exactly like I pictured Sentinel Prime looking. I still don't have a "proper" Optimus Prime (I've always wanted MP-10 but it never came to my state and I've rarely had the cash to drop willy nilly on a $150+ toy), but even when I get one, Yellow RID Prime will still have a place on my shelf as his big brother.
>>5738439
I fucking love his hand mode. Right now I've got him and prime on top of my shelf, looking down on everything else. Prime is in vehicle mode with his ladder fully extended, and Megatron is in hand mode, giving the peace sign.
>>5738184
Wheelie and Brains are gonna reunite!
calling it.
there's a good reason why his demise wasn't confirmed beforehand.
>>5738621
>there's a good reason why his demise wasn't confirmed beforehand.
Because they fail to address most of the character deaths in the movies?
>>5737948
>Them Missile upper arms
>photographer doesn't know how thumbs work.
Seriously, what is wrong with the person who does this????
>>5738645
Poor guy probably has to take hundreds of product shots a day. You can't be fucked to transform it all correctly if you're running short on time.
>>5738655
that thing isn't even fully transformed, never mind mistransformed
>>5738655
so what? It's a Bayformer, it looks like a pile of junk even if it is transformed right.
>>5737299
>Btw hows cerebros? Im honestly super excited just for him, looks rad and i want to pose him with Rodimus passing on the matrix
Not bad, you need to move the shoulders for any specific movements and as reported by that article from seibertron the arms supposedly come out of those shoulder sockets easily (hasn't happened to me yet) but to me personally he's the best part of fort max.
I'm just surprised the balljointed forearms aren't floppy crap, and has amazing leg movement (but we knew that), and while I would honestly prefer the "fortress" head over cerebros he'll fit in with the hasbro crew I'm getting, I honestly still have the fort max main body still in the box.
BTW one complaint, the faction logo is a sticker, you can see where it goes
>>5738017
Holy shit how much did you pay for hose?
I just bought the platinum set and am content with just 2 of the guys for $99aud, no need for add on parts like you have
>>5738699
>pose him with Rodimus passing on the matrix
I wonder if this would have happened if season 4 hadn't been cancelled?
Like Cerebros gets the Matrix and upgrades to his other look with it.
>>5738709
In headmasters he didn't change, if anything he just got a hand shake and thing literally went "you're in charge now, take care" while rodimus and co fucked off.
At least the movie killed people off, they literally just flew away.
I think season 4 being cancelled was for the best
>>5738713
>In headmasters he didn't change
That's because he already looked like the toy (more or less, the eyes had a visor but he had a mouth and a helmet closer to the one in the figure). Cerebros head was completely different in the Rebirth episodes, so I guess that anon was talking of changing that head to one the reflects the toy looks after he recieved the Matrix or something.
>>5738739
>I guess that anon was talking of changing that head to one the reflects the toy looks after he recieved the Matrix or something.
Yeah, that's how I meant.
Kind of like how Hot Rod changed when he got the Matrix.
Would have been neat if the full Fort Max mode was only unlocked by having the matrix.
>>5738713
>>5738739
Guy who wants to do the pose here, technically Rodimus never actually gave up the Matrix, only his title of commander. Not sure if that's intentional or just the writers derped
The main reason I want to do it is to have Cerebros level up or whatever into Perfect Effect Warden, I feel like Warden makes a pretty great matrix infused Max
>>5738709
The short version is Galvatron and co attack cybertron to steal a new mcguffin and Rodimus decides they need to go balls in to stop him, Max says its too dangerous but Rodimus doesn't listen.
Zarak then realizes hed rather blow up all of cybertron than let the autobots keep the shit, so he laces vector sigma with bombs. Galvatron realizes hes been doublecrossed and runs into the planet to try to stop the explosion, while Rodimus and crew reluctantly retreat. Planet blows taking Galvatron with it.
Afterwords the crew is hanging out on the husk and Rodimus realizes Max was right about the danger and that he almost got everyone killed so he passes over leadership to Max and he and Kup fuck off to find a new home for them.
They actually reference that in the Unicron Trilogy with Excellion having been off on a mission with his crew
>>5738449
Lwts be real, a Generations Gigatron would have less paint and a worse sculpt.
>>5738680
>Disrespecting ROTF Leader Optimus
Your favorite toy wishes it could lick its butthole
>>5738754
>Guy who wants to do the pose here, technically Rodimus never actually gave up the Matrix, only his title of commander
Oh shit, well fair enough...didn't even notice
I thought it was just the japanese continuity just skipping the whole matrix deal
>>5738680
>>5738860
Confirmed for absolute tit.
The movies are inexcusible garbage. But the toys? Especially this one?
>>5738860
Bay doesnt draw,you idiot. Blame Josh Nizzi or Ben Proctor or Feng Shui or whomever else actually designs the things if you're so pissed.
>>5738860
Movie designs > shit > your dog's shit > stacked colored boxes
>all this shit about crappy movies
>nothing about the glorious g1 movie
>>5738916
2007 movie > shitty 80s movie
deal with it transcucks
>>5738640
>Because they fail to address most of the character deaths in the movies?
they did confirm Leadfoot and Sideswipe's demises.
>>5738921
Hi Michael Bay
>>5738926
>Sideswipe
When was that?
>>5738927
Micheal Bay did what Hasbro and Takara never could
Make transformers good
>>5738938
I admit the new take was a bit too much for g1 purist, I for one accept that fact, and was generally made with a different audience in mind, the 80's movie did the same exact thing but kept within the framework of the cartoon of the time.
Bay went above that and gave us a drop dead gorgeous cgi fest that gave sense of size scale and impact to our beloved brand, the problem is (personally) his movies are the fast food of movies much like Paul W Anderson and the resident evil movies, we get nods to older times but it pushes forwards with plenty of action, explosions, and at times comedy that's just a cheap toss in (I still remember bumblebee pissing on someone).
As much as I admittedly love the g1 movie thats nostalgia talking, and one day Bay fans may be in the same position.
In the end, they both advertise products, any defense is the same as defending why a mc donalds burger doesn't look anything like the commercial.
We're paying suckers and we should feel ashamed for our love of product placement, -10 because Bay movies are paid TO throw those in and copped crap because China (or Hong Kong?) wasn't happy with the exposure being too minimal
>>5738899
>The movies are inexcusible garbage.
Honestly? I think it's garbage status is perfectly excusable. You're talking about glorified toy commercials in the form of Hollywood action flicks. They are precisely as bad as they deserve to be. You pretty much forfeit any right to expect a quality film when the film in question is specifically made to sell shit.
>Yep, it's true. This year, SDCC is seeing a special edition Fortress Maximus figure—with an updated deco and Master Sword.
Well it'll cost too much for me to bother with anyway
>>5738989
That deco doesn't look drastically different. Then again, last year Devy only really got some chrome to set him apart.
The Master Sword is nice at least. Although I think I'll go Takara if I bother with him at all.
>>5739000
I got a strong feeling takara will do the sword, but why they haven't shown us fortress alone yet either means they're rushing with the retools or the focus is all on fort max, could takara drop the ball that far?
I'll stick the the hasbro one I got solely because its the cheapest, its not like takara's devastator which actually got improved functionally, because deco be damned I preferred hasbro's devvy face
>>5738436
>stick Wedge on Devastator as a good
I would like to see this, please.
>>5739007
>as a GOOF
Goddamn auto correct.
>>5738952
Except it's not. Bay doesn't give a shit about Hasbro and the toy company has often been the one playing catchup with his shenanigans.
Also, as a toy commercial it's utter shit. It doesn't establish play patterns, highlight key products (other than the non Hasbro brand shilling like fucking Chinese mik), nor bring out the USP of the toys.
In fact since Dark of the Moon, Hasbro killed the movie toylines super quick and never explored extensions like Reveal the Shield anymore.
So it's actually worse than a toy commercial.
>>5738482
What's wrong with Adderall pills? I like 'em.
>>5738008
I just bought the set. I would thank you sarcastically, but it actually was a pretty great deal.
>>5739016
not him, but a toy commercial of a movie should distance itself from being direct product placement as possible.
It should show how bad ass the characters are, explore appearances, personality, in the hope kids in toy aisles will recognize the slab of plastic standing before them.
Remember the whole bumblebee fiasco?
The movies focused on him and hasbro tried to keep up forgetting people are only gonna buy one of the stupid fuck and not 10.
The movie line toys are like any other generic action figure line, riding off the fact people know these characters they'd market them at different sizes for price point and gimmicks (like the battle figures with spring loaded gimmicks) for impulse purchases.
So when you seen that deluxe starscream with the mech tech weapon its not the movie selling you a spring loaded weapon you never seen, its the fact its starscream action figure sized that looks like him with a nice little bonus.
For the current combiner wars and titan wars toys the comics are actually forcing it in, hence why this shitty OC exist and optimus maximus changing from red to white for no reason, therefore the movies are doing it right
>>5738929
One of Attinger's cards had Sideswipe on it marked with an X.
>>5738989
It's exactly what i wanted.
>>5739051
what i love is the people who believe Sideswipe is somehow still alive
a character who barely did anything actually has a following. At least guys like Blackout and Barricade did shit
>>5739034
I wouldn't call it being forced in when it's a combiner that doesn't actually exist.
They're just trying to wrap up the CW plot shit/make use of what that plot brought.
>>5739058
>a character who barely did anything actually has a following.
Welcome to the Transformers fandom.
>>5739051
Oh yeah. All the same, I'd consider that a small enough detail to ignore if they did want to bring him back. Wouldn't be the biggest continuity issue in the movies.
>>5739058
But yeah, it's not as if he really had much of a character. It's not a big loss. Hopefully all of the AoE cast returns though, they all had pretty standout personalities, even if some were still pretty one-dimensional.
>>5739084
>Hopefully all of the AoE cast returns though, they all had pretty standout personalities, even if some were still pretty one-dimensional
as long as Hound stays, i'll be happy
wow, John Goodman as Hound. Who'd a thunk it?
>>5739069
I can understand for Slipstream, she's unique and shit. While movie Sideswipe is just some guy with swords
by the way? i just noticed that Animated Slipstream is totally wearing underwear
>>5739098
Well, it looks like we have Hound back in a similar but different new alt mode. There's pics out there of a different truck with all of his signature markings, so I'd say he's back with a few tweaks.
>>5739101
lewd
>>5739098
>>wow, John Goodman as Hound. Who'd a thunk it?
Given he has a super recognizable voice, everyone.
>>5739101
Most 'bots wear that though, bro.
>>5739125
that's not what i meant
>>5739128
I'd have preferred R.Lee Ermy myself, but hey, Bay's never done anything right, whether it be standing upright, or not making it obvious he's functionally retarded with every movie he's ever made.
>>5739101
From a TF blog:
>"Difficulty selling items is something I’ve experienced myself over the last year. Transformers Animated, Beast Hunters and TFPrime, non-Masterpiece scaled 3rd party figures, Robots In Disguise and the like have taken a long time to sell at what I believed to be fair market value. It was only when I priced them below what I paid, that they started to sell. This is a relatively new experience for me, as I’ve always bought on a tight budget and often wisely, meaning I’ve almost always made my money back. That is happening less and less, and I’m taking losses on virtually all my sales now."
Now, I always see shit on eBay and wherever all the time priced way above "fair market value", making me believe these retards think their shit is worth gold, when in reality, it's worth less than what they paid for it almost every time because loose shit is always worth less. Your opinions, /toy/?
Seems like these fucktards are finally realizing the market is dictated by the buyers, not the sellers.
>>5739191
Transformers seems to be in a slump at the moment. The high the fandom got from the initial movie has finally dwindled. Even CHUGs are experiencing fatigue in sales and prices are falling. The garbage Dinobot movie, death of the High Moon games and the move to kiddify Robots in Disguise are all just serving to kill hype.
Combiner stuff is neat and all but it finally feels like the brand has lost all its momentum at the moment.
>>5739191
>>5739204
We also have a glut of product,both official and 3ps. Toys would retain value for being definitive versions ,now theres more options. Plus older collectors are focussing on trying to get their definitive G1 collection before they get really old,and have shunned or sold off other lines,flooding the market.
>>5739204
transformers are like capeshit. no one actually cares about any of it
>>5739204
Some of that is because we're not getting anything boldly novel right now. We're getting the fifth movie from the same creative team. Like them or hate them, they're very similar. RID is a "safe" kids show that isn't doing anything special, and the toys are pretty bland for the most part. Generations is more or less just redoing G1 in a predictable way - the big shocks are few and far between. Even the comics, which have done some "radial" changes here and there have settled into a pretty stable status quo. Having to feature the toys more only limits their freedom more.
TF somewhat needs something really new and different to get the wheels going again. We need another Beast Wars, or the way Car Robots brought back vehicles, or how the 07 movie created loads of fresh excitement.
>>5739214
What about bringing back Duocons?
With today's technology they could turn pretty nifty
It'd be like scramble city combiners, only cheaper because you need only 2 dudes instead of 4 + a voyager
>>5739214
Considering how things have been since the movies,RiD is anything but safe. Its the closest equivalent to Beast Wars,or at least Armada,of this generation. Mostly new or revamped characters who only share a name and some details, new character set up(Bee as leader,and actually TALKING. He's effectively a different character than Baybee). No Megatron,no Starscream,or others. I. Just needs a better push and direction
>>5739074
true.
I did like him in Devastation (the game).
>>5739084
>>5739098
>>5739110
Oh yes, Hound is easily the new best character in the movies.
>>5738774
my plan is just to by Blurr/Sentinel use his head for Fort Max huge mode and give the Cerebros head to the Blurr/Sentinel body.
>>5738948
How is "fast food of movies" an acceptable level? I'm not a Plebeian, so this is intolerable.
>In the end, they both advertise products, any defense is the same as
>>5738952
No. ALL TF fiction falls into this category. While it may be a reality of corporate incentive, it's not an excuse. Beast Wars and Animated were decent.
>>5739265
>Beast Wars
>decent
>>5739125
>>5739133
I think John Goodman is perfect for this version of Hound.
I was struggling to think of who'd be perfect for Duck Dynasty Hound before the cast was annouced.
>>5739270
Hello John Warden.
>>5739270
>Hating on BW but not animated
Really?
>>5739280
Well, BW stuff just doesn't sell well Anon, today at least.
>>5738921
When people say the 2007 movie is decent do they really mean that the 2007 movie is decent as long as there's a robot fighting onscreen? Because everything involving the humans is painful to sit through.
>>5739293
>>Hating on BW but not animated
>Hating both shows
>>5738952
You're fucking retarded. Every movie is made "just to sell shit."
Stop making excuses for Bay. He's the least talented working director in Hollywood outside of Snyder.
>>5739270
Is this the part where some autismo starts going on a tirade about how all fiction is dumb and bad?
>>5739234
RiD Bumblebee is basically Rodimus and RiD S2 was G1 season 3 done right.
>Revived Optimus keeps trying to do leader-stuff despite what he said about stepping back
>Enlarged cast split into 2 for most of season, allowing us to see the different dilemma's both leaders are going through (old vet vs young upstart)
>Series finale, Bumblebee straight up confronts Optimus about not giving him the respect as a leader he's earned.
Despite being light-hearted and kid-friendly, I think RiD season 2 is the best executed season from the state-side productions so far. Really recommend watching RiD if you haven't started.
>>5739298
They really mean "decent if you has shit taste and your idea of quality cinema is Battleship, Saw 37, 12Fast12Furiouserest" and similar.
>>5738282
Comics came right before the cartoon since they could come out faster to tie in with the launch of the toyline.
>>5739296
If G1 stuff was held to that regard ,we'd never see it again. Theres been plenty of G1 based shelfwarmers. Yet only like 5 new molds for BW. And the MP Optimus Primal seems sold out at preorder places.
>>5739296
[Citation needed]
>>5739298
AoE is literally the closest to decent the Bay movies get. All the other ones are eye gougingly awful. Revenge of the Fallen is the single worst movie I have ever seen in my life, and I've seen shit like The Legend of Bloody Jack.
>>5739323
Oh fuck, didn't realize S2 had been out
ARe they going for S3? I"M watching S2 now
>>5739342
Constance Zimmer/Strongarm teased S3 last month.
Seems like Optimus F.O'ed to Cybertron as per the S2 finale.
>>5739323
Man, I feel like its not appreciated enough. It really is the most I've enjoyed a TF series since I watched BW as a kid.
>>5739367
its very fun, and its got good morales. But i dont know if it can wow alot of people
>>5739342
>>5739367
Speaking of S2, can't wait for a toy of this Gentle-con.
MTMTE 54 preview is out, five pages
http://www.newsarama.com/29778-megatron-leads-the-autobots-in-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-54-preview.html
>>5739418
This look like /co/ to you, boy.
>>5739433
Do people on /co/ get this triggered when people bring up the toys?
>>5739440
Constantly.
>>5739191
WTF is he talking about?? Used TFs have with rare exception depreciated in value. It's not even new. AEC were that way as well. It doesn't surprise me at all that Prime and RID sell like shit. and there are TFA figures that are worth a bunch, or at least there used to be. I think Blackarachnia, and maybe Wreckgar.
What the hell determines their belief of "fair market value"? For me it's 50% retail unless it's an exclusive that's not common as dirt.
>>5739214
I don't see them doing another BW or Animated, but who knows. They're in a bit of a squeeze and are acting conservative. Will further stress make them desperate for innovation and risk?
I think we lost our window of opportunity for TransTech when TFP was such a superficial blending of movie and Animated styles and BeastHunters wasn't well thought-out. It was SO CLOSE.
>>5739378
I think I'm done with TF shows/movies forever, until another BW/Animated comes along. I won't waste my time until I hear fans praising it to those levels.
I've heard some good about the IDW comics, but there's so many series by now that I'm not sure I want to get into it.
and of course it's got nothing to do with the toys. I won't watch the Bay movies even a first time, yet the earlier toys of off-screen characters have been pretty amazing. ... not that I'll go so far as to get RID toys.
>>5739270
Relative to TF fiction, absolutely. Outside of BW and Animated, you have to rely on MST3K factor of it being so terrible that it becomes entertaining to laugh at it.
>>5739460
>What the hell determines their belief of "fair market value"?
Judging by eBay, most people think it's $10 over MSRP with no accessories and covered in dust.
>>5738921
Sweetie, that's simply not true.
>>5738952
Why are you on this thread?
>>5739460
>BeastHunters wasn't well thought-out
it was a mess, it seems.
here's a panel done by one of the Aligned continuity developers
BOR stands for Binder of Revelation, a giant production bible used to flesh out the Aligned continuity. No one used it.
>>5738222
>He was explained though.
And this movie isn't out yet
>>5739493
>BOR
Apropos term for Aligned.
>>5739493
its a shame how things panned out
>>5739493
>>5739509
The prime (hurr durr see what I did there) problem was Hasbro simply didn't get it's shit together. It stuck with a studio that wouldn't play ball (should've forced them to) and didn't force it's designers to work with the studio that should've been told to stop fucking around and do it right.
>>5739381
he's very cool. I love bad guys with honor, but who continue being bad guys (Unlike say, Dinobot)
>>5739542
>didn't force it's designers to work with the studio
isnt that what happened with Animated? I wonder why they didnt do that again..
honestly every Transformers property that has toys should let the toy guys and the show/movie guys meet up
>>5739543
Didn't he force Bumblebee to surrender by threatening Russel, and then went back on his word to let him go?
Anyway, I'm hoping Perfect Effect makes hands and feet for the the G2 Bruticus.
>>5739549
>Didn't he force Bumblebee to surrender by threatening Russel, and then went back on his word to let him go?
i knoww, that's the one part i didn't like. after he allowed bumblebee to recover during their fight, i didnt expect him to do something like that
>Anyway, I'm hoping Perfect Effect makes hands and feet for the the G2 Bruticus.
When they do that, it will most likely be a two pack of the hands/feet and the new head/cannons. Because the PE G2 Superion and Menasor sets were like that
>>5739555
aren't the pirate guys a creation of the novels?
also, nice dubs
>>5739133
>>5739133
As much as I agree that it would be a coup to get R Lee Earmy as a Transformer voice, I think Goodman's lower, more grumbly voice will work better for Hound, especially for the movies' Bulkhound.
I imagine a Cybertronian voiced by Ermey wouldn't be particularly intimidating physically, he'd just bamboozle others with the sheer power of his voice and his steamroller personality. Like his character in Full Metal Jacket.
>>5739558
>aren't the pirate guys a creation of the novels?
Well, yeah, they even clashed with Megatron on their way to Earth and had a reason to fight against both sides.
The predacons just came out of nowhere.
>>5739548
Animated had a lot of synergetic excitement around it. The creators had a lot of toyetic ideas, and Hasbro wanted to do a heavily stylized toyline.
>>5739560
>I imagine a Cybertronian voiced by Ermey wouldn't be particularly intimidating physically, he'd just bamboozle others with the sheer power of his voice and his steamroller personality.
Movieverse Shit Piece when?
>>5739573
What, a movieverse Sgt. Kup? I could see a stodgy old bot who's always bawling out his juniors, trying to get them to behave his way.
And a grumpy Bulkhound going along with him because it's not worth trying to argue.
>>5739573
As shit as the Bayverse is, it'd almost be worth stomaching the 5 minute or so clip of that eye cancer that is Bayformer design to see R.Lee Ermy Kup go FMJ drill instructor on Bayprime, to get him to stop being such a goddamn fuckface worthless piece of shit that shits all over Prime's usual characterization.
>>5739573
Thats brilliant. They'll probably make him a green camo Jeep named Junkheap and. Only be named once in the actual movie,then Hasbro names him Kup in all other media.
