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I know this is probably a stupid question but does indoor lighting make resin yellow?
I just got my first bjd in 5+ years and have her on display in my room and am really worried about her yellowing (Her skintone is peachy and will not look very good if yellowed a lot) I try to keep her in a spot that's out of the sunlight but there's no real space for her that won't be hit by sun at some point in the day.
>>5769762
Avoid flash photography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htsieFP1UQ8
She is full of shit.
I just realised why I find a lot of Blythes creepy: a lot don't have eyebrows nor any details around the eye. The eye shape is really weird.
I genuinely cried when I found out the Len doll was lottery only...
Does anyone know how many dolls are given out? And if there's ANY chance of a standard release later on?
>>5769829
Taking to long to get to any substance sonic stopped watching. What's the tl;dr summary?
>>5769818
that is the stupidest fucking thing. flash doesn't have UV rays you mongoloid. it doesn't effect resin any more than any other light. only sunlight truly damages dolls.
>>5769829
unless you have unique, recognizable dolls, no one gives a flying fuck if you "quit the hobby"
>>5769858
there are some good customizers out there, i really like this wednesday adams custom
>>5769862
>I genuinely cried when I found out the Len doll was lottery only...
Did you really? Like actually shed tears over this?
If you want one so bad you'll buy it on the aftermarket damn people are acting like there still aren't a shitload of scalpers out there
>>5769901
What about people who can afford it retail but not the insane mark up? Volks making their first male DD a lottery exclusive is a dick move.
>>5769905
If you can afford a $650 doll chances are you have a job that would allow you to buy a $950 doll after a few weeks/months of saving.
>>5769914
That's pretty presumptive really. Plus who's to say the doll will stick around on the second hand market for those weeks/months of saving? People have been asking for a male DD for ages, the scramble to buy this one will be real.
They did a preorder for all the fucking mikus, why not this doll?
>>5769919
stop pissing and moaning anon, you know volks is going to end up releasing a basic DD boy eventually, just fucking wait for it. if you really must have your vocaloid yaoi bait, just customize the basic to look like len once it comes out, god.
darn, I missed the IOS hate...80% of their dolls look really bad to me too. Just so tacky and yaoi-face. I like what some people do with the more unusual ones, though (like the vamp.)
>>5769862
>>5769905
>>5769919
calm down
Since Ren and Lin presumably have the same license as Miku, chances are they'll do what they did for Snow Miku and following this lottery have later, less-exclusive preorders. I mean, license-wise there's really no reason for them NOT to do this, and the handling of the Mikus proves Volks isn't intending to be stingy with this franchise.
>>5769936
this. plus has it ever occurred to the pissbabies that maybe they're doing a lottery because they anticipate insane demand that they KNOW they can't handle? they're testing the waters with this. its good business not to allow yourself to be completely drowned in orders.
>>5769869
She is a mongoloid who screams at bigger more popular BJD hobbyists to give her shoutouts and defend her against imaginary racist bullies. Also her dolls are super fugly and she made a drama a while ago that some nonexistant person copied them.
>>5769885
Hey. Use flash then. Nobody fucking cares. Citation needed btw troll. Lets shit post this thread up fast.
>>5769885
If you're gonna be a fucking cunt about it, at least get the details right.
>>5769762
Anon, you don't need to worry about flash photography if your concern is yellowing. Most consuser camera equipment already have uv filters built in to their flash. For it to yellow your doll, you'd have to take thousands of flash photos at close range before it made any noticeable difference.
Incandescent and LED lights produce insignificant amounts of UV so you're safe from those as well.
If your concern is the sun, as long as you keep your dolls out of direct sunlight, you should be fine. Windows and curtains already do a good enough job of blocking UV.
In short, the only thing you really have to be concerned about is leaving them out in direct sunlight. Anything else would take too long to do any real damage.
Blythes are like the cutest dolls ever, you guys.
>>5770153
Thanks for the nightmare fuel
I have posted photos of my dolls on different sites in the past so there are a few photos lying around online but they're boring so I never gained any kind of recognition and I am happy with that. Last night I stumbled across some posts from a few years ago - someone had the same sculpt, resin color and even assigned name as my doll. Even a similar wig color and style, but mine is company faceup and hers is original. Her doll is much older than mine. With all this 'copying' drama I feel like I've been walking a land mine field all this time with no idea. Pic related is not my doll
"Hey baby ;)"
If anyone slooking for some ice cream accessories for their dolls, candysan just got these in. no idea on what the scale is, but I bought some anyway. (My guess is ideal for 1/6)
Im hoping for at least one really tall soft serve swirl cones. heres hoping.
http://www.candysan.com/product.php?id_product=3100
>>5770450
it's vocaloid related after all, what did you expect?
>>5770464
I expected exactly this.
>>5769905
I'm a bit of a dibshit, why is lottery a bad thing?
>>5770502
Let me explain it like with a little story:
yesterday I stumbled across a really old Den of Angels thread, from 2007.
People were talking about whether that male Obitsu 60 body was a myth or will be finally released soon.
Someone mentioned how much they still wish for a male DD, and how Volks hopefully offers one soon too, many agreed.
Some people have been waiting for nine years or longer for this to happen.
Of course the demand is high, people are going crazy over this.
On top of that it's a super popular license, and the two characters that next to Miku are probably the most popular.
Even many non-DD fans will thus be interested in them.
They are also usually shown as pair, a lot of people planned to get both since they are twins.
WIth a lottery it's likely you will only get one, if you get one.
People are just really frustrated that after waiting so many years for a male DD, and with two so popular characters, Volks decided to do a lottery instead of allowing pre-orders.
Not to mention all the scalpers who will make shit even more difficult.
I am still sure though they will make them pre-order later, they will milk that shit as much as possible.
>>5770632
Why do you people do this to yourself? I'm sure cutting yourselves or getting addicted to drugs would be cheaper and less painful. <sarcasm>
>>5770715
I wish there wasn't some truth to this.
I personally stopped being interested in DDs because of this whole limited, lottery, scalper heaven bullshit.
They are way too same-facey and the community is heavily influenced by this whole limited situation.
There are a few ones I still would like to have (only faces, not interested in full-sets), but paying 1000$ for some anime head with barely any details?
Naw.
>>5770502
Lottery means you get to enter for a chance to buy the doll
Preorder means everyone who wants a doll will get a doll
Volks distributes many more lottery entries for Japan than for international markets. In addition, in a Japan lottery you're only up against other Japanese doll collectors (and scalpers). Once lottery entries are opened for international customers, you're up against the wold (and scalpers).
Lottery dolls are produced in limited quantity, which drives up their price on the aftermarket. Some dolls go for a little bit more than MSRP. Some, like KOS-MOS and Sasara, are 100,000 JPY - 300,000 JPY. Almost triple MSRP.
That being said, I find it very hard to believe Volks won't milk the shit out of Len, so something tells me we are either going to have lottery first, followed by pre-order, or several rounds of lotteries (second is what I'm leaning towards. Apparently Volks was pissed at the number of cancelled Snow Miku orders).
>>5770827
http://manikamanila.livejournal.com/332154.html
>>5770837
>http://manikamanila.livejournal.com/332154.html
> using a LIVE JOURNAL entry as a source
haha wow. okay i believe you now, no arguing against that!
>>5770837
also that entry is about SUNLIGHT exposure, with just one little sentence tacked on about not using flash because its vaguely "bad for resin" and will make your photos look shitty (photos looking shitty is the ONLY reason not to use flash when taking pics of dolls.)
>>5770838
>1995 experiment
Are you using 1995 cameras? Ahahahah
>using 21 year old equipment
Start sucking it
>>5770852
you think modern cameras don't have uv filters? lol wat? older equipment is likely to be even more damaging then the new technology we have today. and be honest, most people are taking photos with phone cameras, which are even weaker than DSLR lights. which that website actually acknowledges.
> Many 'smartphones' include an illuminator that may be a tiny xenon flash, or a light-emitting diode (LED) that briefly flashes light onto the subject. It is hard to estimate the power of these little illuminators in terms of strict guide numbers, but the consensus is that they can be rated at GN 2 to GN 4. Clearly, flashes from 'smartphones' cannot be regarded as a conservation threat in any properly lit gallery.
http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/mhe1000/musphoto/flashphoto2.htm
highlights
> In practice almost all small camera-mounted flashguns now incorporate a correction filter to bring the xenon light balance close to natural daylight. These filters also remove most of the UV wavelengths which conservators fear (see below).
> Some types of xenon flash tubes do emit significant amounts of UV, but these are normally specialist tubes, made from transparent fused quartz/silica that can pass wavelengths as short as 200 nm, which lies in the damaging UV C region. These tubes are used for scientific or industrial purposes where the UV component is needed. The xenon tubes used in photographers' flashguns are made of glass. Glass is transparent to wavelengths longer than 350 nm (the very near UV) but blocks 90% at 300 nm (which is the middle of the 'near UV' or UV A band). Therefore these flashguns cannot emit the damaging UV C and UV B radiation at all, and much of the less dangerous UV A band is blocked (see, for example, the entry for 'Ultraviolet' in Wikipedia).
tl;dr no your digital camera is not going to yellow your doll. the amount of UV, if any, in the flash is nothing compared to the UV light already bouncing around the room from sunlight.
>>5770827
Hey dumbshit, if you STILL insist on being a cunt, read the rest of my fucking post if you're going to reply to me.
Oh wait, you can't even read the fucking article you posted.
>These filters also remove most of the UV wavelengths which conservators fear.
Would you look at that. Which sounds correct then? "Flash doesn't have UV rays" or "Most consumer camera equipment already have UV filters built in to their flash." Stop trying, you fucking mong.
>>5770837
And you. Not only is the journal you posted 4 years old, but the science just does not back it up. I know it does sound ~scientific~, but believe me, it is nowhere near as bad as that blog makes it sound.
Consumer camera flashes no longer emit UV rays that would yellow resin that quickly. Otherwise, they would burn our eyes the same way the sun did. UV is killer for human eyes and people who produced these lights had to make sure people who got photographed often wouldn't end up blind real quick.
In the end, flash is just tacky and unflattering. But instant-yellowing, it is not.
>>5770869
theres nothing wrong with being a cunt as long as the information if correct, and yes, "flash doesnt have uv rays" is correct because its been filtered out. sooorrry if it triggers me to see people perpetuating this old wive's tale
Yes camera flash is technically bad for resin but in reality you will use it so little that it makes no difference, especially compared to actual sunlight. Classic paintings are meant to last for a very long time and if hey allowed flash photography on those paintings people would photograph them so much that it would have a major impact.
>>5769510
I will buy those 2 and take lewd incest style pictures with them. Am I the only one? I certainly think not.
>>5771550
I will not because the boy has no weewee part.
>>5771578
I think he does, it's just really indistinct and more like a suggestive bump.
Oh..my...god
So just got home from my BDay date with my BF..and it was super amazing we've only been going out for Like two months..
Anyways..
He got me a doll!!..yay..and when I saw the box I got so excited cause I was like "omg no way"...and then I opened it..
It's a fucking recast WTF do I do!?
I can like..hide it from the Internet..but like ew I'm gonn have to keep this thing.
Who even does face ups on these?
I am like kinda disgusted with myself that I'm keeping it, but it IS a gift, and idk what to do...
>>5771873
go back to tumblr also tell him and get his money back
>>5771873
PLEASE go away and never come back
>>5771883
Ew tripfag
>>5771873
is this what tumblr considers trolling these days? sad...
>>5770808
>Apparently Volks was pissed at the number of cancelled Snow Miku orders.
Ah jeez that's a shame, I wonder if that kind of hurts the chance of more Miku DDs? I was hoping for Sakura Miku to go with my Snow Miku. Or even a Luka.
>>5771873
on the offchance you're not trolling, sell it to another recast person and use the money to put towards a legit. your boyfriend won't know the difference, probably even if it's a different sculpt.
when your friends go to AX and take pictures of the volksusa booth for you
i am cry
>>5771988
trust me i regret every time i click on this thread too
>>5772222
that's $200 for the outfit silly
At closet child doll store in ikebukuro now. Damn there are a lot of dolls here.
>>5772615
Dollfie
>>5772621
Miku is expensive.
>>5772087
I'm sure there will be more. Asshole foreigners aren't going to stop the Volks money train. They'll just make it more difficult for us to get the dolls.
>>5772639
Overpriced AF
>>5772639
You can find her for 600 bucks quite often, new even.
>>5772670
>>5772719
volks wig and outfit for almost $600. They want almost $160 for Miku's.
>>5769894
Best one I've seen. The creepyness just makes it better instead of... well, creepy
What I don't understand is that why do people compare and relate Blythes to BJDs? They have absolutely nothing in common.
>>5773271
Blythe are currently getting more popular among BJD owners.
I bet one reason is that Blythe artists get a lot more money for their work.
Get some cheap factory Blythe for 50$, customize it, sell it for 700$, profit.
Fuck, you don't even have to paint lashes and eyebrows!
I saw Blythe artists who ask 100$ JUST for a Blythe basic face-up, if you wanted lashes/eyebrows you had to pay extra...and yes, they had customers.
Definitely better than getting 40$ for some BJD face-up that is a lot more detailed and already seen as "expensive" among BJD collectors.
Carving them is hard, and you have a lot of competition nowadays, but I am sure there are enough artists who still dream to jump on that train.
>>5773288
As far as I remember MayYeo had actually claimed a while ago how they would totally stick to Blythe only from now on because artists are valued more in that community.
But eh, she also lost her shit when Dollshe started selling their old dolls, because everyone was able to get a Saint, Hound etc. suddenly and she didn't feel special with her Saint anymore.
>>5773288
Just because artists can rob people in the blyth community doesn't mean their work is actually worth the rape prices they charge. Blyth people get off on paying crazy amounts for shit because it's lauded as a status symbol over there.
Really unless your paying for a crazy custom faceup or fantasy blushing no bjd faceup is worth more than $100. Most artists perfect their "style" and just shit out clone face ups forever ala andreja. If every independent faceup artist started trying to charge blythe prices for their work I'd fuck that and just order all my dolls default.
>>5773378
Fuck off.
Honestly, BJD artists are underpaid.
They are probably (maybe next to Pullip) the ones that receive the lowest pay compared to any other doll community.
If I think how much time I put into a really detailed face-up (i.e. several layers of blushing with skin texture, eyebrows, lashes etc.) it's ridiculous people already think 50$ is too much.
That's also the reason I pretty much stopped face-up commission and mostly switched to airbrushing fantasy parts.
One hour of work versus twenty hours for the same payment does make a big difference.
And people complain more and more artists stop taking commissions.
Guess why, if you know the only thing that gets you a little money is being an Andreja clone, while being paid nearly nothing for your time and health, you rather stick to your own dolls.
>>5773456
Then fuck you I'll pay 60 -100 for a company face up and be done with it. If you can't compete then to bad for you.
>>5773693
I can, I just don't want to go down that route.
As said, there are easier and quicker ways to make money in this hobby (or any other doll one).
>>5773456
Well, you're work is only worth the amount people are willing to pay you unfortunately. If you're a relatively unknown artist asking $100+ for a faceup because YOU think it's worth that much, then bad news for you because people will unlikely commission you.
That's why as artists gradually gain recognition, they slowly increase their prices.
>>5773924
The problem with that is as such
>Ask for $X for your time
>People are fine with that
>Eventually change your prices to $Y
>"WHY ARE YOU CHARGING $Y?! YOU CHARGED $X BEFORE SO WHY NOT NOW??"
People will get used to your service being cheap, that when you try to charge what you want they'll say you're being absurd and will likely not commision you again if you refuse to back down because everyone wants the max amount of effort for the least amount of cost.
It's a lose-lose situation.
So it looks like Stacyspinkocean is going to be selling more Sio2 dolls after all, look what popped up on their page recently! There's no time limit listed with this one either, it's called Dragen-Li. It's $159 blank.
>>5774053
Fuck my asshole so fuckin cute! I wonder if that site is gunna stock all SIO2's dolls as they come out, I really hope so.
>>5773693
Most company faceups are ass tho, who you trying to kid? Peak's woods I think is the only company with decent faceups. Volks is ass with faceups, so is fairyland, soom and don't even talk about ringdoll.
If you want your doll to look like generic garbage then sure. Pay that much for a faceup that takes them 20 minutes to do, and no originality.
yo I just found out you can link multiple accounts on instagram and made one for posting doll photos.
do any of you have IG accounts? mines secondstardoll
>>5774053
so cute!! SIO2 makes it too hard to avoid anthros
>>5772491
yes it is. thanks.
>>5774350
@diecisscum
this company must have been quietly lurking DOA for years, coming up with a muscled woman body right off the bat. and their dolls look damn good for a chinese company
>>5770808
KOS-MOS was a preorder and had a higher starting price due to all the armored bits and whatnot. I still see her floating for maybe a hundred or two above that price, which isn't bad. If you want to talk about scalper lottery DDs, Beatrice is your poster child.
To those of you crying over Len being lottery, remember that Saber eventually got a preorder release, so calm your tits. You're not going to get instant gratification over a preorder anyway, since it takes 9 months or more for them to produce. I mean, if the preorder doesn't happen in the next year, screenshot this and say, "HAHA FAGGOT YOU WERE WRONG."
>>5773938
Most of the time they up their price in the hobby because they don't want to overburden themselves with orders they cannot fulfill. Most people are willing to pay extra $$ for an artist's faceup, or if they're a return customer. It's sort of status symbol-y. We're kind of a weird hobby.
>>5774053
gdi SIO2's shit is so fucking cute.
>>5774572
I like it, but it looks like it would probably be as functional as an Iplehouse body.
>>5774572
Am I the only one who thinks it looks like an April story/classy doll body? It has the same knuckly man hands and resin heels. The April story body couldn't pose for shit and this company has done everything they can to obscure the joints in action on their promo shots.
>>5774182
Peaks woods is good really? I guess if you want your doll to look like a strung out druggie that's your shit taste.
Volks sucks I agree but fairyland and soom have pretty faceups. Not everyone needs their doll to be some super special snowflake character shell you fuck. Half the artist faceups commissioned are for a generic natural look anyway!
>>5774572
Body looks nice but would probably look shit posing-wise - IF it could pose in the first place. I looked at their website and no pics of their female bodies posing.
>>5774795
Their faces look like very similar too.
Wouldn't be surprised if they are connected some way.
>>5774797
Faceup =/= sculpt
You must be retarded.
And if you think FL has pretty faceups then I rest my case, shows how shit your taste is. You also probably like culur faceups and are salty she charges so much.
Also
>calling people's dolls snowflakes in a hobby that is all mostly about costuming.
You never go full retard son.
>>5774572
This is probably another off branch of shitty April story like everyone else thinks.
April story female bodies are worthless, not even worth the resin they are cast in. Their male bodies are alright but a big ass pain still. The peanut joints are massive, like they have just been discovered, so bending their knees and elbows look ugly as fuck and is hard when they are clothed.
I wouldn't trust this company at all.
>>5774957
I didnt say shit about culur you brought her up, and youd think youd like her considering you like peakswoods heavy makeup whore look. Seriously look at this line heavy garish shit. Disgusting.
Fairyland's faceups are fine, thier not the be all end all of artistry but they don't try to rape you by charge hundreds of dollars for their faceups either so it balences out.
>hobby that is all mostly about costuming.
I've been In the hobby since 2008 and all the character shelling bullshit has never been mostly about costuming. How new are you?
>>5775107
You sound like a 12 year old.
>>5775139
I think we're done here.
>>5775107
while i find your postd annoying as shit, i have to agree that the bjd scene has almost never been about costuming. its ALL about the faceup and these days, custom wigs. characters are shelled by unique faceup/eye/wig combos. clothes can be shitty but if your doll has a good faceup and hair no one will even notice if the clothes suck
>>5775107
>line heavy garish shit
That is clearly Sexy Flu Chic, you pleb.
>>5775107
>heavy makeup whore
I guess putting colors on a head to make them look natural is a whore look. I'm sure girls that wear lipstick are probably sluts as well. You must think eyebrows and eyelashes are hard to do and if people add any kind of skin texture then is too much. Basic ass dumpster. Still trash and I'm sorry you been in the hobby for all those years and you are still acting like you just joined. Jump off a bridge and do your dolls a favor so they go to a owner that won't let them be ugly assholes.
>fairyland doesn't charge you a lot
FL charges you $70 for a faceup most faceup artists would do for $30, sure they are not ripping you off. Hell luts would do it for $40 and they at least do skin texture and good blushing. So stop trying for to defend this shitty ass company, go suck their dicks in IG or tumblr.
Also all those years in the hobby and can't do better than FL faceups yourself? Yet bitch about faceup artists prices. Priceless.
>>5775200
Autocorrect is a bitch
costuming was >customizing
>>5775329
Haha, that makes more sense, at least. I come back after several hours and y'all are arguing over a typo and calling each other mongoloids or retarded. Sure got junior high in here.
>>5774957
I haven't seen anyone in here ever defending Culur, thankfully. I am failing to see how you're getting the faceup = sculpt from that other anon's comment. Peakswood's isn't my cup of tea either, but lately they're churning out the darker blushing and lines and stuff and they look legit ill.
>>5774572
What company is this?
>>5775388
>faceup =/= sculpt.
=/= means does not equal. So a faceup does not equal the sculpt, while the other anon was mostly talking about the head sculpts (or so I hope) and then switched to faceups because having a butterfly blush that is common in most women, is putting on a lot of make up or a sign that you are a drug addict?
alas, although most peak's woods sculpts are also not my cup of tea, I am not gonna deny their faceups are worth what you pay for. They add texture, blush the head, add other colors besides pink and yellow. Respect when respect is due, even if it might not be my favorite company. They do more than basic faceup stuff than most companies try to over-charge you for.
>>5775410
I know what that means, but I didn't see how you got that they were relating the two, as that anon never mentioned sculpt. Peakswoods' eye makeup is too heavy is what we've been saying. They look tired and/or ill, which could be related to drug addiction I guess. Honestly, looking at their page, most of their faceups aren't as detailed as you make them out to be. They put a couple of beauty marks and use different variations of colors, but it's not much different than a Soom faceup.
>>5775294
>I guess putting colors on a head to make them look natural is a whore look. I'm sure girls that wear lipstick are probably sluts as well.
Your spouting hyperbolic nonsense here and you know it.
>You must think eyebrows and eyelashes are hard to do and if people add any kind of skin texture then is too much.
Last time I checked fairyland does eyebrows and eyelashes on their dolls retard. Also not everyone wants a hyper realistic faceup with skin texturing no matter how trendy that is right now. I'm not even a huge fairyland fan but thier faceups are not objectively garbage no matter what you think.
>FL charges you $70 for a faceup most faceup artists would do for $30, sure they are not ripping you off.
Wasn't the genesis of this whole conversation artists bitchin about how no one will give them what their work is worth yet they'll give out fairyland level faceups for $30? Lots of people get default fairyland faceups so why aren't these starving artists charging $70 for their equally good work?
>Also all those years in the hobby and can't do better than FL faceups yourself? Yet bitch about faceup artists prices. Priceless.
Oh yeah how could I forget everyone joins the hobby to learn faceups and sewing and crafting! No one ever joins cause they want to buy a fully completed doll, that's why fullsets don't exist. Silly me.
>>5775388
I'm glad someone else noticed how weird peakswoods face ups have gotten. The idea that they are the only company offering worthwhile default faceups is them is absurd.
Culur faceups are glorified photoshopped cancer. They are super basic in real life.
>>5775452
I agree with you anon. Not everyone wants the "realistic" blushing and contouring and skin texturing that is super trendy right now. I personally hate it. They look good in pictures, but in real real life the doll looks terrible and dirty.
>>5774572
Legit question but has the 'no slot on the the front of the hip joint' design ever worked correctly? Impldoll tried it and it sucked so they changed it back. April story does it and it's terrible. Does it work with iplehouse or is it a doomed design from the go?
>>5775452
If you are happy with brush on pastels as eyebrows then again I rest my case, since that's what fairyland eyebrows are. Once again goes to show how basic you are when it comes to your faceups taste. And I'm not saying everyone wants hyper realistic faceups, just the fact that those are the expensive, faceups right now and for good reason, as it takes a shit ton more layers to create and build on. In reality the market for semi-relistic, or realistic and basic faceups is completely different yet is linked together unfortunately thanks to popular faceup artists.
Which brings out the other point. The vast majority of people, not you of course, know the worth of fairyland faceups which is why most people DO NOT get them and instead try to beg, bitch and moan at faceup artists with better skills and far more limited time to lower the prices. Which is why we have some starving artists and some that are not. The starving artists are usually artists that are actually quite good at what they do, but because they are not hyper popular famous, most people won't be willing to pay what their faceup is worth, even if is around the SAME price as a FL faceup. Then you have other artists that are still good and do more of a FL faceup for a lot less, but because it looks so generic and also simple, plus they are not popular, most people will not commission them either. In other words because people wants an expensive look with the budget of a peasant, you have all of these artists that would rather wait for the right person, and then on the other side they have the beggers that keep talking about how they should lower their prices even if they are priced right.
welcome to actually customizing a doll, took you a while. Is like teaching a high schooler basic economics except this time is a grown ass person that doesn't know what they are talking about but wants to be loud.
>>5775435
Now that you mention it you are right, and while I was looking into it I also noticed that resin soul head sculpts look exactly like granado sculpts. I dunno how I missed it before.
>>5774148
>>5774385
>>5774750
I know right?! I really hope so too, it'll provide another way to get them that won't put all the pressure on a taobao agent. I'm glad it's got a similar cutesy style to the Bleater BJD, and that it's not currently listed as limited like their Ragdoll one is.
>>5775485
i dont know what realistic styled faceups you've been looking at but i sure as shit wouldn't call the dolls of the people who are good at it "dirty" looking
>>5775579
gonna post a few of my favorite realistic faceup artists
>>5775585
even super close up these dolls dont look dirty. some artists' attempts at realism might look "dirty" but thats because they aren't good at it
>>5775591
True to that, starting artists that try to do realism usually over-blush and use too much brown, which leads to the "dirty" look, but that's mostly if the artists is inexperienced which these artists obviously are not.
>>5775589
sillymysteriouswoman always posts her faceups at high res and super large so you can see the surface of the doll and they never look dirty. they are textured, which is the point of a realistic look. to look textured like skin.
>>5775596
how is it photoshopped when she posts her images at over 4000 pixels so you can see every little stroke of her brush? she posts her images so large i cant even post the originals here because they are over the 4mb limit
>>5775596
I actually follow some of these artists and they take a lot of phone photos+videos for their IG...yeah is not photoshopped, is called actual skills.
>>5775525
>The vast majority of people, not you of course, know the worth of fairyland faceups which is why most people DO NOT get them and instead try to beg, bitch and moan at faceup artists with better skills and far more limited time to lower the prices
Yeah I guess all those fullset Sias and Rendias with default faceup didn't happen.
>Is like teaching a high schooler basic economics except this time is a grown ass person that doesn't know what they are talking about but wants to be loud.
What a faceup is worth is what people are willing to pay period. I don't care if it took 100 years to paint a doll face and a million layers if people don't think it's worth what the artist wants for it they're shit out of luck. Artists like >>5773745 who think there work is worth more than what people are willing to pay eventually quit. It's basic supply and demand anon. You know, high school economics.
>>5775558
Boy you are really butthurt over several people not liking peakswoods aren't you.
>>5775610
you may not like the style and thats fine, but saying the dolls look dirty is just bullshit anon.
>>5775616
i admit thats true but to write off all realistic faceups based on the people who have no idea what the fuck they are doing is too much of a jump
>>5775605
People ordered Sia fullsets because it was the best investment. Hence why MOST PEOPLE sold their tails/legs/outfits right after they got the dolls, along with the sleeping heads and why most popular faceup artists have had Sia sculpts up the ass in their commissions. You know, like it happens with every fairyland event. Do you live in a closet?
Also is not the fact that people don't think is worth it, is the fact that people don't want to pay, because they think is easier to rip off an artists than a company because a company would simply say fuck you no, and an artists might have more wiggle room if you kiss enough ass. As it has been said by every single faceup artists ever. But you wouldn't know, because you are not one, but you like to believe you know what happens. It also explains why FL like artists charge $30 but because is not "special" enough even though FL charges $70 for those, people won't pay.
I also don't care if people don't like peak's woods faceups, but comparing them to basic ass faceups when the evidence is so clear goes to show how stupid people are when they don't know what they are talking about.
>>5775619
This pepstar faceup is a good example of what I don't like. It just looks grimy to me and color is off. Pepstars been around forever so it's not a matter of ametuerish execution it's just kinda gross looking.
Also I find it off putting when people texture a head to the point of hyper realism and put it on an unblushed body. Like a mannequin wearing a human head.
>>5775616
I did say inexperienced artists anon, not the majority of them. If you commission someone that has little experience with realism then yeah, chances are that might happen.
>>5775596
Naw, I know that Helene (the one who painted the Venitu) doesn't do that.
Her pictures are actually pretty unedited.
>>5775591
>>5775585
is pretty shitty though.
Messy lashes, crusty color build up in the lid.
A lot of the "realistic" face-ups are blushed/textured well (which is the whole key to realism) but the line work suffers.
I still think the whole discussion is retarded.
People have different tastes, some prefer a face-up that works on pictures, some need the perfect one for when the doll is in front of them.
Some like basic Bluefairy look, others want super realism, others like the asian "glitter with long lashes and airbrush" look.
It still takes time, skill and experience to develope a style, execute it well AND deliver a clean, good looking result.
Which was the original discussion about.
No battle between realism/doll, or default/custom...just that artists are not getting paid enough for the work they often have to put into painting a single face-up.
>>5775558
Isn't it a bit silly to compare these two?
Left is pretty common look for current, asian face-ups (colorful, long lashes, glitter etc.) and not supposed to look realistic.
Right is a really old Soom face-up with a basic, bare "realistic" feeling.
For back then that was already pretty realistic.
>>5775629
dude pepstar is absolutely shit. she is only popular because way back in the day there were hardly any faceup artists, and most companies only did the most basic faceups ever.
if pepstar began her career these days NO ONE would be paying attention to her and she sure as shit wouldnt be able to charge $125 for a faceup. shes only popular with oldbies from back in the day who never caught up with the times
>>5775629
Pepstar is a shitty example, really.
She's been in it forever but her stuff never really changed, she's too heavily influenced by Fashion dolls too.
Even her guys tend to have lipstick lips and you barely see improvement in her works anymore.
Just because someone did something for a long time does not mean they are good.
Just look at this close-up of SDink face-up.
She's been hot shit years ago for her "realistic" stuff, in reality it looked pretty bad and she was just clever enough to take pictures of her works from like a mile away.
>>5775635
hoooly shit. how can you call her work shitty? shes a fucking god in my opinion. get some taste goddamn
>>5775623
>easier to rip off an artists than a company because a company would simply say fuck you no, and an artists might have more wiggle room if you kiss enough ass
Artists aren't being 'ripped off' if they agree to it. If your a faceup artists allowing people to somehow force you to sell them services at a discount then I have no sympathy for you.
>I also don't care if people don't like peak's woods faceups, but comparing them to basic ass faceups when the evidence is so clear goes to show how stupid people are when they don't know what they are talking about.
This is the epitome of 'its great because I say it great!'I don't care how complex peakswoods faceups are you can't force others to appreciate them if they think it looks unattractive.
>>5775635
Except I didn't compare them. Anon did, I simply put them next to one another. Soom faceups haven't change much if any at all, and sadly their pictures now days are heavily edited, which means you can't trust their new releases, unfortunately. I simply put a popular sculpt next to what PW is selling now. Since anon said the faceups were the same.
>>5775645
Because of a lack of clean line work, anon.
The realism-feeling is good, but if you take away the textured blushing (and let it be a "regular" face-up) it's not that good.
RuggedRealism for example has cleaner line work.
>>5775648
Sorry man, that wasn't directed at you (I knew you were just putting them together), just the fact itself that comparing them is silly.
>>5775648
You purposely chose a terrible comparison to prove your point tho. Sooms faceups have changed since then. Logan faceup is similar to peakswoods shit.
>>5775644
i used to look up to sdink as the best of the best and someone who's work i aspired to be as good at, but after a few years i realized that indeed, her faces only look good because of the soft lighting and photography style.
now the people i look up to are those that i posted, julia cross, rugged realism, sillymysteriouswoman for realism, and for more stylized stuff i really like angeltoast, darjeeling, xanthi, ronnikbc (they do amazing monster high dolls) and some others.
>>5775658
Yes and no.
Wanted to say that too (not the anon who posted the comparison), but it's again because it's silly to compare.
Peakswood's is "fantasy", this Soom one is too.
Makes sense they are both colorful and over the top.
If you look at the human Logan he looks more normal, nearly boring too.
>>5775658
Except like it was mentioned before. Soom right now edits and photoshops the living crap out of their sculpts. Just go to the soom forum in DoA so you can read all the delicious disappointment. I go there when I'm sad and want to read how other people are miserable.
>>5775654
i see nothing wrong with silly's brush work. its very fine and detailed, she knows what she's doing. what you call "clean" often looks too mechanical on a realistic faceup. look at the fine, hair thin wispy line work under and around the eyes and try to tell me that's sloppy with a straight face.
>>5775661
Same anon, same.
She was like my biggest fucking idol since I entered the hobby.
When I started doing face-ups she was what I wanted to be in the end.
I saw one of her face-ups two years ago in real.
I was...shocked.
The face-up was bland, not really detailed and the line work was pretty messy.
The photo of the Venitu was enough for me then.
However, it's not really her fault.
She never wanted to get popular and her prices are only that high because people pushed her to it (as in "You want less commission requests? Ask for a higher price!"...that backfired though, people still went mad for her stuff).
On one hand, feels good to know I surpassed my idol.
On the other hand, still pretty disappointed.
PearlsOfDanube is one of my favourites, but I am pretty flexible.
Just dislike pencil shit and crusty, messy line work (no matter how good the blushing is).
>>5775667
I see what anon means though, some of parts look amazing and real as hell, but around the lids they look different. Maybe is a style preference and she just likes this, but it somewhat looks like she doesn't like dealing with that area and rushes it. The work is still amazing, no doubt, but I see what anon means.
>>5775666
soom is awful ever since the sculptor that originally did dia, spinel, lupin and i think some of the mecha angel line left. thats why they stopped selling those sculpts, the contract expired, though they must have sucked some serious dick to hold onto the rights for dia, since thats the only one they still use.
i wish i knew where that sculptor went, those dolls were so lovely with a touch of realism. now all soom does is 3D sculpting and whenever they hit on a sculpt that sells decently they just tweak it a little and sell it as a new sculpt, hence all the terrible sameface their dolls have now.
>>5775674
oh shit i totally forgot to list pearls of danube. i love her work, its amazing. basically i just go around flickr and follow the best faceup artists i can find.
>>5775667
If you like her stuff that's okay, no need to get so defensive anon.
But, look at this crop, that's what I am talking about.
She shows issues we usually mock Kayke for (paint blotch, smears, messy execution).
Her eyebrows look really, really good, but somehow she's unable to have the same quality on her lashes.
>>5775677
maybe that's why they did the vampire version of Dia? They probably couldn't hold the rights for the original sculpt and instead could only have something similar, with the sculptors confirmation of course. But I don't keep up with soom much now days either so I dunno, they are kinda running their company into the ground with all of the shit that goes wrong.
I believe the soom artists still does some of their idealian sculpts, but I could be wrong. Since they have an IG and they post stuff once in a while.
>>5775696
maybe on that particular faceup, but if you look at the other two by her that i posted their lashes are fine imo
>>5775698
now that you mention it the idealian sculpts do tend to have more shape to them, particularly branon. but nothing like the detail in spinel.
maybe the switch from hand sculpting to 3D computer imaging lowered their ability to do details. they just might not be as good at using a computer to sculpt as they were with their hands. or maybe their style changed. but either way, its sad and quite a step backward, especially when realism is more and more popular.
>>5775709
Eh I'm kind of tired of the realism = better trend already. I mean if that's your thing more power to you but I see a lot of dolls with really well done stylized faceups get shit on for not being real enough when that wasn't even what the artist was going for.
>>5775713
to each their own, but im leaning toward more realistic sculpts. they just look like more effort was put into them imo. they give me the feeling that what im looking at is closer to artwork than just a doll. more stylized, cartoonish dolls are still cute and i still like them, but they don't give me a sense of awe that realistic doll does.
i have both types of dolls, and i just find myself treating the realistic ones with more care, and im more inspired to make them look good by handmaking wigs and buying expensive custom eyes and good clothes. while my unrealistic dolls are fine in fiber wigs, sparkly oscar doll type eyes or makos etc.
>>5775713
This.
I'm a big fan of realism, but I also enjoy the more stylized stuff a lot.
I also know that I couldn't achieve such a look, so I have mad respects for artists who can (or can actually switch between pic related and a realistic style).
I think the realism = better trend started because having a doll look like a doll is "easy" and we had that for years already.
But lots of people are thirsty for this "wait, that's a doll?!" look on pictures, and some heads really do look better that way.
Like Iplehouse, the basic default face-ups really don't do them justice.
No surprise that now, with artists who get closer and closer on achieving this look, lots of people jump on it.
>>5775726
I think one of the reasons the realism trend never grabbed me was Im an off and on collector of hot toys. That community is a never ending circle jerk over realism and I always wonder why they don't just collect statues since they seem to hate anything that looks like an action figure which is, ironically what they're collecting.
>>5775713
I don't think is about realism = better, but the fact that denying the effort and skills that go into these type of faceups and dumping them into the same bucket as stylized dolls is not fair either, they just look more well taken care off, even if they are not. Stylized dolls are my favorite, I would never have a realistic doll, and my own faceups satisfy what I need and there for I never had to commission somebody, but going into realism is a whole different level and there is no denying that. At the same time giving shit to GOOD stylized dolls and faceup artists is bullshit.
Plus new sculpts have become more realistic and stylized faceups just don't look very good on them. Which makes this trend more appealing since there are less to go around and everyone wants to be different. I guess.
I just hope the "realistic" faceup trend end quickly. It's so boring seeing the same nude lightly blushed makeup. I wish super stylized or fantasy faceup gets on trend so people will show their creative sides.
>>5775994
its not a trend, because as people stated above, realistic dolls look better with realistic faceups.
>>5776001
Still doesn't change the fact that they are all same face boring shade of nude.
>>5776024
But it means that it's going to stay so is best to get used to it or learn to ignore it, as realistic sculpts are released more often than before.
>>5776024
none of the realisticly faceuped dolls i posted are same faced like what are you smoking
Can I ask you dudes what you think about recasts?
>>5776046
no. you cant. that dead horse as been beaten until it was a bloody smear on the ground. just stop.
>>5775107
Fairyland faceups are ugly as fuck. You definitely have bad taste.
>>5776049
Ah sorry. I'm new to the BJD community. I'll lurk more.
>>5776062
I'm surprised this image hasn't been posted here yet.
>>5775644
those lines in between the lips are triggering me so hard. D:<
>>5774053
Please don't order from Stacy. That doll is worth $70 on Taobao. She charged a fortune for Ragdoll as well, which was also worth less than $100.
>>5776046
I asked two threads ago just to spice things up and the discussion has only just died down lol
>>5776046
I'll say two things: hobby was better without them, and I feel sorry for every person who came into the hobby after they got more popular.
The endless discussions, how difficult shopping is nowadays (when you want to dodge them), drama, dishonesty.
Companies having to beg that their work won't be stolen.
Even more clueless newbies having shit looking dolls, just that they are now fakes too.
Honestly, stay away from them.
It's always nicer to have a legit, the community is easier to handle, the rightful artists/companies get paid, you have less restrictions etc.
Yes, there are a lot of limiteds/the dolls are often expensive, but deal with it.
It's a hobby, not a necessity.
There's no need to cut corners on a hobby because you can survive without that doll, so why not save for the real deal?
>>5776789
Adding to the "hobby was better without them":
I am very active in my local community. At least once a week we get a new person in who was tricked by sites like bjd shop.
Often we can help and they manage to cancel the order and get their money back, but we also have cases where this is not possible anymore.
These people are usually pretty crushed, sad and disappointed.
Sure they could have avoided that with more research, but still.
It sucks, and it was way better when all you had to protect a newbie from was using the wrong stuff to paint a face-up, or to tell them that they should keep their doll out of the sun.
>>5776046
If the companies made it even a bit easier for people who wanted them to get their dolls most recasts wouldn't exist. The problem is that these dolls are so expensive that they need to be limited edition (or have a sale or free item event) in order to create enough hype for people to shell out for one. "You better get one now or you will never be able to".
Asians just have an obsession with limited edition things. Not saying they can't make limited things but when they do, expect more bootlegs because the people who have the money and still want these things have no other way to get them.
As gaben said, "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problems
Don't know what a solution for this is but there is probably one that other industries use.
>>5776685
Holy crap, thanks for the heads up anon! I looked up the difference and wow that is a big price hike once I looked up the yen to dollar equivalent, especially on Ragdoll. Guess I'm gonna have to look up how taobao agent stuff works at some point then.
>>5774750
Why is it so popular? Is it the sculpt or the series? Honestly, she looks like ass in the anime drawings.
>>5776812
you know thats not true. the most recasted dolls are minifees and other basic fairyland dolls that are always available straight from fairyland as well as their dealers who offer LONG as shit layaways and they flood the second hand market.
the argument that dolls being hard to get is whats fueling recast buying has already been proven wrong since the very dawn of recasts. recasters didnt even start with limited dolls, but with basics.
>>5776812
This anon >>5776844 is correct.
Honestly, if it was like 95% limiteds people would get as recast I would believe you, but a lot of them don't.
The mentioned MNFs are such a case, MNF Chloe is the most basic doll ever and still super popular as recast.
It's not like recast owners only buy Volks SD17 Williams in tan.
And indeed, next to Volks, the first recasts were all Luts Delf.
While you were able to get them from Luts and they were easily bought second-hand too.
It's not about how hard to get these dolls are.
It's nowadays easier than ever, you have so many options and can pay straight with PayPal (compared to bank wire and having to wait for Luts to get in more resin, while having like 5 companies to pick from).
They just want more doll for their money, that is all.
>>5776856
sup fellow old timer! indeed, the very first recasts I remember were a couple of volks sculpts and Luts Delf Chiwoo. All basics, easy to get, and always on the second hand market.
>>5776844
That's because real minifees have terrible QC and it's better to pay less for a recast with the same problems as the legit. Also the second hand market for minifees is solid scalping through and through. Old, busted modded dolls for equel to or more than what a new doll costs.
Also the wait times from real companies are getting longer and longer to the point of absurdity. 9 months to get a dollzone, a year to get a soom new people want instant gratification and the official companies are more popular then ever but they won't hire people to keep up with service.
>>5776875
Was good times when all you got were shitty, crumbling recasts of some poor Delf El.
>>5776878
Dude, that is nothing new though?
When Soom started their whole MD thing people easily had to wait a year for a Heliot.
As mentioned, way before you had to sit there like a hawk to even get some basic Delf El, because back then resin was hard to come by.
I do agree that some things need to change, but I'm sure in a lot of cases many companies are just unable to move forward.
Fairyland is fucked because they are not only always swamped with orders, they also need to constantly come up with new releases to battle the whole recast thing.
If they don't make new releases people won't order from them and just get a recast instead.
Chinese companies are probably fucked because of two reasons: there are few big casting companies who take care of a lot of doll companies (which is the reason why among chinese companies it's usually very easy to match skintones).
They can't cast fast enough, and afterwards chinese companies struggle to finish their dolls because of a lack of workers who are willing to do nothing but sanding dolls day in/day out.
And the latter is something that developed due to chinese companies trying to find something that makes them stand out, since their sculpting was often wonky.
Now they can't go back and are forced to keep up that standard.
Things won't change because buyers won't change.
They all want something new, they want it now and they want it fast.
Companies feel forced to come up with new limiteds all the time, even if they struggle to do so, and all other areas (quality, producing times) suffer because of this.
>>5776878
But haven't Fairyland waiting times gotten shorter? Like way shorter? I keep seeing people who ordered direct get their dolls in less than a month. They're clearly trying to compete with recasts of their own dolls.
How much cost a face up ?
I was in love with that iple sculpt looking at the photo but when I received my doll ,she wasn't that cute.
I think it's because of the eyebrows. I would like to have it redone in a generic cute way.
>>5776916
>They all want something new, they want it now and they want it fast.
True fact.
>Companies feel forced to come up with new limiteds all the time, even if they struggle to do so, and all other areas (quality, producing times) suffer because of this.
This is the only thing I disagree with. People (at least in west) are always complaining about how overwhelmed they are with all the constant limited and the quality if dolls suffers when companies are rushing to release doll after doll. Soom is a perfect example of this, people want them to slow down and instead put more effort into each release but they won't. Just because they started out doing monthly dolls doesn't mean they have to do it forever.
>>5776990
I bet if you'd ask people they would love it if Soom keeps out churning dolls as long as none of them are limited.
Best would have been if they cycled through the dolls, with regular order periods, only adding a new one once in a while and then kicking out another for that.
There is also no need for so many body parts, some of them are downright silly and I bet people
would be happy with only a few options to pick from.
Again, they created a standard and now have a hard time to get away from it.
>>5776984
Depends on the artist, there is no guideline for that.
Just check DoA, Google or Flickr for artists and pick one you like.
>>5776967
They got quicker, yes.
I'd say next to Dollshe the longest wait times you still get with chinese companies.
Add that many of them only sell through a dealer and you are in for a loooong wait.
>>5775645
Angry-SpongeBob-Anon, is that you?
>>5776813
Taobao uses Yuan not Yen.
so generally speaking I'm still pretty new to anime-looking dolls like dollfie dream, so any good companies that make good similar sculpts? I know about Azone, smart doll and some luts sculpts, but I would like to hear more options that isn't just fanboys going crazy for dollfie dream and how no other company matters.
I showed this to my husband and he said it looks like it has downs
>>5778109
I'd recommend looking into 2D Doll and SQ Lab; they've both got some pretty cute anime-faced dolls.
I own a DD myself--her posing is great (especially when compared to my resin dolls), and her vinyl feels really nice. Of course, with vinyl there's always higher risk of staining, so that's something to keep in mind when/if you're looking into one.
>>5778138
Thanks anon and god damn SQ lab does have some adorable heads, so far they looking like the best option besides a DD.
>>5778123
Shit didn't realize it was so low quality
>>5775644
Holy shit that lipline, what in the fuck. The rest is just boring and basic but that line is disgusting.
>>5775696
Eyelashes in real life don't tend to be as symmetrical and 'orderly' in appearance as eyebrows, or at least that's my guess for why she might choose to paint them like that. SMWoman is god tier faceup artist, I'm kind of surprised that you think there's a skill-based problem there.
>>5777170
>I'd say next to Dollshe the longest wait times you still get with chinese companies.
Yeah I've noticed that too, wtf's up with that? Loongsoul and Ringdoll both have awful ass wait times. Seems sort of counter to what you would expect from Chinese companies.
>>5778217
dunno if you have heard about this shit before but the cheapest best way to cast a doll is in china. Most casting companies are in china, so everyone wants to get their dolls made there 'cuz is cheaper and also better (ironically enough people give chinese companies a lot of shit when most of their dolls are made there) so the Chinese companies pretty much get the short end of the stick. They kinda gotta get in queue behind all of these other companies and hope for the best, and ironically enough the casting companies favor outside companies. Usually when a company doesn't take forever is 'cuz they cast their own dolls and don't gotta wait for another company to send them back.
>>5778189
I think is the big ass, purple eyes. They look too big for the doll and the color makes him look like there is something seriously wrong with him. Other than that the faceup isn't that terrible.
Are DOD heads supposed to be kinda shiny?
I'm talking both newer heads and older ones.
>>5778109
Evokedoll has anime style heads too. They're silicone dolls with internal wire skeletons for posing. I'm not too into the body, the elbows especially bend really strangely. But the heads can be cute.
>>5778189
It does look like it has the downs. The eye downtilt and all the features being at the bottom half of the face say mommy's eggs were bad.
BTW, is that the triple amputee mod?
I'm getting really annoyed. I love this certain doll but the artist only casts it in disgusting imported resin and the doll looks like a freaking waxy soap. Can I airbrush the entire doll with paint to give it an opaque look like a normal resin? Is it even possible to do it without the pain chipping off within 5 minutes of posing?
>>5779602
Yeah, just use something to coat the joints like Mod Podge, or just deal with it. Airbrushed dolls look decent imo.
What doll?
>>5779681
thank you for the help. I didn't know about using mod podge.
It's a Clever Little A by batchix. I'm not sure if that certain doll has opaque resin or not but from every batchix owner photo I've seen, all of her previous sculpts are in imported resin.
Ok so i have a doll that i'm 90% sure is a recast. i've identified the head sculpt, but the body is confusing me.
Its a male doll, with no mid-body joint, seems to have standard hook hands, floating "thigh cups" for ease of posing, and really weird feet.
The legs are strung as normal, but there are no hooks. Instead they attach via a nub on the foot which hooks onto the string.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? no pics because i left my phone at work.
>>5780129
Sorry anon, but we really need a picture here.
Is the doll a hybrid, because else letting us know the head sculpt helps greatly too.
The only doll I can come up with that are strung without S-Hooks on the feet are Iplehouse or Dollshe, but both have joint in the middle of their torso.
>>5780195
I managed to borrow my buddys ipod.
This is a picture of the body, head, feet, and hip/thigh cup on the doll.
>>5780195
Also the really weird head hook thing.
>>5780247
>>5780248
Anon, how long have you been in the hobby?
That's a LUTS Delf body, with the Type 2 (not 100%, but I think 2) neck mechanism.
They work like Minifees, the Delf heads can be "screwed" on/off for quick removal.
The head is a DOD one, can't say which one right now because I'm not familar with their faces.
>>5780247
Adding: the head doesn't look very much like a recast too me, it shows the usual DOD yellowing (DODs were super pink, and turned to an ivory color...yours seemed to only have yellowed on the usual exposed spots, which is common).
Body also looks like a yellowed beauty white, very common for LUTS too.
Probably no recast, just an old af doll.
Also sorry for the "how long are you in the hobby" comment, it's just very amusing because when I started Delfs where the shit.
Everybody had one.
Same for DOD.
It's funny how now people are in the hobby who can't identify them anymore.
>>5780247
For help, the two right bodies are Delf Type 2 and Type 3 bodies.
As far as I can see you have Type 2 (because of the single joint elbows).
Where did you get this doll, anon?
>>5780277
>>5780273
>>5780281
I'll admit, i'm rather new to actually owning dolls.
I bought a second hand Peakswoods Rabbit goon about a year and a half ago from a local friend (paid 200), and this guy yesterday from a different friend (paid 30). She got him second hand at a convention from another collector a long while back.
Thank you so much for identifying him for me.
>>5780283
That explains it.
Still pretty amusing to me, I had friends who had like a whole group of them, or like 4 Els.
Depending on how long ago this was he is probably legit.
Like said, he shows all the signs of aged DOD/LUTS dolls, so congrats for getting him so cheap.
I am sure with a bit of TLC he looks great.
>>5780287
The thing that had me worried was the shine on the head, since most recast spotting guides mention shine.
I hope that once this whole bullshit with the mail system is done (I'm Canadian), I can send out his head to be done up nice.
Upon looking at the DOD site, it seems that he's a Tender Too head.
>>5780277
Seconding this anon. While Luts Delfs and DOD have been recasted, they're pretty rare to find. Legits are much more prevalent, and unless someone got a recast specifically in the shade of a yellowed DOD/Luts, you most likely have an old legit.
People will claim recast quality makes them indistinguishable from legits, but there are always really obvious differences.
>>5780312
I've seen alot of real dolls get that shone if theyve been cleaned alot and had a million faceups given and removed. I had a withdoll angela I got second hand that had an ultra shiny face. She had been through a ton of owners and probably had alot of wiped faceups.
>>5780312
Please link to one of these guides. Most recasts I've seen were less shiny than their counterparts. Is it possible that someone coated the head in a non-matte sealant?
>>5780312
Never heard of that, but other anon is correct that heads tend to get shiny when they are constantly wiped and repainted.
DOD always had that look though, I bet the bad handling/age just made it worse.
>>5780283
>(paid 30)
For a nude doll that size? damn. I'll admit, im jelly
>>5780385
Came with an outfit, actually.
>>5780385
I myself got an Dollshe Hound (with outfit, wig, eyes and old default face-up) for 100$ shipped once.
Poor dude was banana yellow though, old af (from 2005) and dirty as a hobo.
I also got a Volks Ken from Mandarake once for 80$ shipped.
His eyes had been closed with apoxy and he had been sanded, but I managed to buff him up again and now he lives with a very happy new owner.
If you don't mind the work you can sometimes be really lucky, but with recasts it got more risky.
Most of these junk dolls come without box or certificate and are usually painted by the owner.
just saw this today and i think its a great example of how stylized faceups look like shit on realistic sculpts. i like nomyens quite a bit, but this style just looks awful on an LDT edria
>>5780443
You know what I'd be fine with that faceup if it didn't have the stupid vampire teeth.
>>5780595
was thinking the same exact thing.
>>5780443
The lips look bad, incl. the teeth, no matter the head.
I also say it doesn't look bad itself, it's just very underwhelming and the head has a lot more potential than that.
I get the feeling the customer probably asked for less blushing (because vampire) too.
I love Nomyens' stuff, but even for her that is very basic.
>>5780443
They went full monster high for those lips.
>>5780443
I love everything about it except those lips.
Do you guys have stuff you keep even though you know you can't/won't be able to use it?
I just went through my drawers and I realized that my Oscar eyes will never be used.
My dolls all have eyes and the ones I have here/have planned would look silly with glittery eyes.
But I love them so much I can't sell them :/
Same for some other eyes, wigs or outfits.
I don't have the "right" doll here for that and not planned to get one in future.
>>5780443
I'd have really loved it with a more dramatic eye makeup and a less disgusting lip makeup. Otherwise I think stylized faceup suits the sculpt really well.
Hmmmmm
>>5780393
What size is this? Is it an sd? Msd?
Will this work for a face up? I'm currently unable to get any MSC, and would love to get some customization done
>>5781393
no. if you can't get MSC and you're in the US, just get testors dullcote.
I have a question about the Mod Podge acrylic sealer spray. There is a certain person who said on youtube that they use the spray to seal faceups. Their dolls look ok on camera (obviously haven't seen them in person to judge how the finish really looks) but can someone explain why sealers like mod podge are bad and how do they damage resin dolls?
Can you use them on vinyl dolls?
Sorry if my question sounds very newbish but I can't find the answer to my question anywhere else.
>>5781407
I was thinking of getting a can of purity seal, actually. how is that for dolls?
>>5781407
Army Painter and Liquitex are ok, in that order.
>>5778189
I agree about the eyes. The actual eyes aren't too big for the sockets but he needs smaller iris. That face up coloring is not helping either, I'd do a slightly more mature face up, dark hair and lashes, dark eye rims (same effect as a human, darker rims make eyes look smaller) and a stronger mouth shape, mouth corner dots, more and stronger lip detail. Then the focus will be more balanced and the spotlight off the huge tilted eyes and upper face.
>>5781483
no idea, broseph
>>5781393
It yellows but so does Testors, which also gets dirty super quick. Find another supplier for MSC or if you can't afford it, wait.
>>5781607
I cant get msc, because i'm in canada, and theres a huge fucking mess with the mail right now.
Would purity seal work well? I'm pretty sure the gaming shop downtown has some.
>>5781612
do you have access to an airbrush/compressor? If so, get some Liquitex matte medium, thin it out a little and spray it on. It takes a few coats but I like it better than MSC because it's significantly less toxic.
>>5781652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr8-tnUDKHc
Andreja makes a lot of useful videos about this stuff.
>>5781652
>airbrush/compressor
I wish, man. I'm also into cake decorating, and spfx makeup so owning an airbrush set would be hella.
>>5781655
check craigslist or something for second hand stuff! I was lucky enough to get one for free from a friend who got a newer/better one.
>>5781665
I think i may just buy a new one in a few months. I've been meaning to buy some new makeup stuff, so it'll be good timing.
>>5781612
Purity Seal is a craft spray for hard plastic models, You need to do your homework on artist quality materials. People can use anything but how will it look in a year? 5 years?
>>5781714
DoA is telling me that it's an acceptable alternative, so i may pick up a can to see.
somebody just posted one of Kayke's dolls on BJD addicts and... yikes. look at this thing. it's so lumpy and unrefined.
>>5781721
This makes me sad. it could be such a nice doll, but she keeps fucking it up.
>>5781721
Jesus Christ the arms look so tiny.
That might just be the angle of the photo though.
>>5781483
>>5781718
Purity Seal is safe too, it just handles a little different than MSC and has a more semi-flat finish.
After too many layers it gets a little shiny (not super shiny, just not the totally matte finish you get from MSC) and the surface is smoother than with MSC.
I personally like to use it for body blushings, since that slight shimmer looks more realistic and you usually only need three, max. four layers for a body blush anyway.
Just watch out, I personally had clouding problems with Purity Seal and the quality varies between cans.
Put some hot water in a bowl and let the can sit there for a few minutes, afterwards shake well.
That usually helps.
>>5781407
Generally spray like that cannot be used for face-ups.
It's supposed to seal a finished artwork, with face-ups you seal inbetween several steps.
That means you need a surface you can actually work on, which sealants like that usually not provide.
>>5781714
GW miniatures are nowadays made of resin too.
While most painters do not use it for several layers of sealant inbetween painting (like we do) it's still a safe, good alternative for face-ups.
>>5781721
I don't get why the back of her neck has this ^ shape?
No matter how you pose the head you will always have this big gap on the back.
>>5781896
Didn't even notice over that awful butt crack V
>>5781721
You didn't post the best part, anon.
The beautiful faceup.
>>5782008
Already looked bad on Kayke's photo, but damn... the glue residues on the lashes, fuck.
>>5782016
(unless the owner glued it in themselves, but the face-up still looks like shit)
>>5782008
ayyy lmao
>>5782008
>The beautiful faceup.
Because of /bjd/'s non-stop sarcasm, I can't tell if you're being honest or not.
I mean, the faceup looks alright to me. The lashes do have some excessive glue, but then again, the photo is an extreme closeup, so any minor flaw is magnified 20% worse.
>>5782052
It's sarcasm.
>>5781721
Love the ResinSoul foot in the background.
>>5782008
Why does that doll have the neck of a 60 year old? It's like a mulatto Joan Rivers.
>>5776062
I have a FL default face on my LTF, and it's pretty bare bones as far as faceups go. I'm not sure I'd call them ugly, but definitely bland.
>>5776837
I have no idea, but I would guess it's the sculpt.
>>5777170
Yeah probably the longest wait times I've gotten are from DollChateau. They are typically 6+months. I hear a lot of complaints about the wait times for Lati.
>>5778801
Yeah, they tend to be on the shiny side.
>>5779773
The thing on the Mod Podge is you have to let it cure for months. Damasquerade has a pretty cool writeup on it.
>>5780287
Yeah, everyone had a goffick tranny emo EL back in the day.
>>5780312
That's weird, Too was a MSD-sized sculpt. Maybe it's Lahoo? They all look so similar.
>>5781462
I want to say the downsides I've seen on Mod Podge is that they take ages to set.
>>5782167
Can't unsee.
>>5782202
>Lahoo
Looking at him closely, it's probably Lahoo. Thanks anon.
Is there a way to blush him to make the yellowing not as obvious?
More photos of different Coffees I found on Tumblr
>>5782437
>>5782439
Those fingers scare me a bit
>>5782459
a human pinky can't do that.
