>To counter all the succubi and incubi making almost-always-evil half-fiends all over the world, the Upper Planes have sent their heavenly emissaries everywhere to make almost-always-good half-celestials!
>angels and most archons for vanilla people
>eladrin/azatas for elf-lovers
>guardinals/agathions and furry archons for deviants
Why is this not happening?
>>47158527
In my setting, Demons and Angels were common and interbred with men in eons past, but vanished at the end of the age of myths, when the world was severed from the divine and infernal planes. However, the blood of angels and demons still runs strong in mankind, which is where magic comes from.
How do you know it isn't?
In D&D, half-celestials and aasimar actually have it far rougher than pure mortals.
They are expected to be Good, their nature demands it of them, and so the standard of their life's judgment is higher than the neutral-inclined free will folk. Being Good means being selfless and helpful in many cases, and so they must strive and sacrifice, and battle against Evil at every turn. And if they fall, they fall much harder than the other races; a dark celestial is essentially a new fiend.
So they find that they have to work harder for less reward, and face far worse punishment if they fail to be Good. Thus the creation of half-celestials and aasimar are worrying for most pure celestials, often accidents or the result of an overwhelming love. They don't want to condemn their children to a life of arduous trial that they, as part-mortal, are not mentally equipped to bear at all times like true celestials.
>>47158753
Completely false and spurious interpretation. Here is what Races of Destiny ACTUALLY has to say about aasimars in society.
Graceful, regal, and noble, aasimars are the distant descendants of a coupling between a human and a good-aligned outsider. While nowhere near as powerful as their celestial forebears, aasimars still retain a touch of the divine in their blood and wear it with pride. Devoted champions of good, aasimars spend their days fi ghting evil in whatever form it takes.
In a world of violence, injustice, and evil, aasimars are on the front lines, lending their abilities where needed. Some try to stave off evil by teaching and leading by example in the fi ght against ignorance, prejudice, and greed. Others present an aloof and lofty demeanor, an intimidating aura that, while noble, keeps people from trying to get too close. Among good people, aasimars are held in high opinion as a standard by which all should live, while those of an evil nature view aasimars as self-righteous and dangerously moralistic.
Personality: Aasimars practically radiate good will and a positive attitude. Most aasimars are kind, pleasant, and approachable. However, some project a crusading zeal and sense of purpose that can be daunting and unapproachable—hearkening to the vengeful, judgmental aspect of their celestial ancestor. Few aasimars crave the limelight, and they shun positions of authority, except in instances where they can lead by example.
Physical Description: From a distance, aasimars appear as standard humans. Up close, their celestial bloodline shines through in their tall stature and attractive features. Some bear a minor physical trait that highlights their celestial nature, such as silver or golden hair, metallic eyes, or a rich, melodic voice. Humanoids find aasimars aesthetically pleasing and watch them with admiration.
>>47158904
Relations: Aasimars maintain excellent relations with beings of good alignment. They are found primarily among humans, but they also associate with elves, dwarves, and good-aligned humanoids. They are extremely stern and disapproving toward evil beings of all kind and do not willingly deal with orcs, goblins, and other races noted for their evil alignment. Aasimars are extremely suspicious of half-orcs, but they can overlook blood or upbringing if an individual proves that he leads a life of good and honor.
Aasimars treat one another with respect and friendship, seeing other aasimars as cousins united in the cause of good. However, if they encounter an aasimar who has fallen to evil, they become frightful to behold in their anger and righteous indignation.
Alignment: Blood infused with the power of the celestial realms virtually guarantees that aasimars are good in alignment, although individuals vary wildly in their interpretation and may favor lawful or chaotic behavior. In extremely rare instances, an aasimar turns from good, becoming neutral or even evil. Fallen aasimars live as hunted beings, reviled by their own kind for betraying the blood the flows in their veins.
Aasimar Lands: Aasimars are relatively few in number and do not hold any lands of their own. Most are loners, wandering from place to place and providing aid and good deeds when needed. Others integrate themselves more thoroughly into human society, although their predilection for action and good deeds means that they rarely take up a sedentary vocation.
>>47158913
Religion: The indisputable fact of their celestial ancestry leads aasimars to become deeply devoted beings who feel a personal connection with a particular deity. Even those who do not become paladins (their favored class) are profoundly religious and forthright in their faith. While they are not prone to proselytizing, by words and action aasimars show the power and righteousness of their deity to those who have not yet seen the light and truth that they experience themselves.
Language: Aasimars speak Common and have an intuitive understanding of Celestial from birth. Aasimars learn a variety of languages to assist them as they wander the world in their quest for good.
Names: Aasimars are given names appropriate for the area and society in which they were raised. The majority, raised by human parents, bear human names. Some adopt a more celestial-sounding name on reaching adulthood to demonstrate their devotion to their deity and to the cause of good.
Male Names: Exelar, Henzio, Mortibal, Overmar, Sentalial, Vitarri.
Female Names: Alleraia, Eretri, Irethia, Marethial, Savial, Terim.
Adventurers: Aasimars readily take to the adventuring lifestyle. Many become paladins, acting as righteous tools of their deity. Clerics are nearly as common, followed by fighters. Lawful aasimars find a monk’s discipline very appealing. Blessed with a naturally high Charisma, some aasimars become sorcerers and bards. Aasimars dislike the pragmatic deceitfulness of rogues, and barbarian aasimars are almost unheard of.
>>47158904
>>47158913
>>47158930
That is in no way contradictory, in fact it agrees. Aasimar wage their war against Evil as their nature drives them to. They have a 'positive attitude', but that doesn't make their lives easier, it just gives them hope as they continue their life of sacrifice for righteous causes.
I didn't say they were suffering, I said the pure celestials aren't completely comfortable with mass-producing them. It's also a small mark against free will, which the good gods decree as fairly necessary for mortals.
>>47158930
Planewalker's Handbook (2e) description of aasimar:
Aasimar are the other side of the tiefling coin. Like tieflings, aasimar are plane-touched. But while tieflings have something lower-planar in their blood, aasimar are the scions, or descendants of scions, of celestial beings from the Upper Planes.
These folk generally appear as gloriously beautiful humans with golden hair, fair skin, and piercing eyes. They might be mistaken for half elves, or even true aasimon, for their innate purity and inhuman glory. Most aasimar are true to their sires and the blood that courses through their veins, being true of heart, courageous, and honest to a fault. Their nobility and goodness are legendary. Nevertheless, a few turn stag and become as untrustworthy a bunch of spivs as ever plied the cross-trade.
Unlike other plane-touched, aasimar are rarely orphaned or abandoned by their nonhuman parent. Though usually raised by the human parent in human communities, the celestial – if possible – tries to maintain at least some contact or provide some influence in the child's life, guiding him along on the "right path."
Aasimar often attempt to pass as normal humans in order to right wrongs and defend goodness in a mortal community. They strive to fit into society, although they usually rise to the top as cream rises above milk, becoming revered leaders and honorable heroes.
>>47158980
>I said the pure celestials aren't completely comfortable with mass-producing them.
Under "So they find that they have to work harder for less reward, and face far worse punishment if they fail to be Good" logic, which has no grounding in established lore.
>It's also a small mark against free will, which the good gods decree as fairly necessary for mortals.
The vast majority of celestials are secular servants of the Upper Planes, beholden to no deities. Only angels are consistently god-sworn.
>>47159090
>Under "So they find that they have to work harder for less reward, and face far worse punishment if they fail to be Good" logic, which has no grounding in established lore.
They live a life of war against Evil as you so neatly described and when they fail to do so they are treated as equal to fiends themselves. So how not?
>The vast majority of celestials are secular servants of the Upper Planes, beholden to no deities. Only angels are consistently god-sworn.
The celestial paragons don't hold much of a different opinion, you know.
>>47159201
>and when they fail to do so they are treated as equal to fiends themselves
[citation needed]
>The celestial paragons don't hold much of a different opinion, you know.
Like the leader of the eladrin, the paragons of liberty and self-determination... who has at-will Mass Charm Monster and 8/day Dominate Monster.
>>47159331
>[citation needed]
>if they encounter an aasimar who has fallen to evil, they become frightful to behold in their anger and righteous indignation.
>In extremely rare instances, an aasimar turns from good, becoming neutral or even evil. Fallen aasimars live as hunted beings, reviled by their own kind for betraying the blood the flows in their veins.
It's possible to read this that even being neutral counts as falling and results in revulsion and being hunted.
>Like the leader of the eladrin, the paragons of liberty and self-determination... who has at-will Mass Charm Monster and 8/day Dominate Monster.
Magical compulsion is not nearly the same as propagating a race with less ability to choose between good or evil. The eladrin acknowledge Corellon, and yet he did not deign to make elves inclined towards Good. I see no reason the eladrin would strive to make a race that does.
>>47159417
>if they encounter an aasimar who has fallen to evil, they become frightful to behold in their anger and righteous indignation.
Evil people get hunted down by good people in D&D. Nothing new hear.
>In extremely rare instances, an aasimar turns from good, becoming neutral or even evil. Fallen aasimars live as hunted beings, reviled by their own kind for betraying the blood the flows in their veins.
You have to deliberately pretty hard to NOT be good as an aasimar. And if you happen to be deliberately doing that and falling to neutral or evil... well, that right there is cause for reprisal.
>Magical compulsion is not nearly the same as propagating a race with less ability to choose between good or evil. The eladrin acknowledge Corellon, and yet he did not deign to make elves inclined towards Good. I see no reason the eladrin would strive to make a race that does.
Absolutely wrong. Elves in the 3.5 Monster Manual are "usually chaotic good," with wood elves and drow as the exceptions to that usual rule. The 5e Player's Handbook says that many elves are also chaotic good.
>Tieflings are often not innately evil and can be good, but their appearance and society's prejudice often cause some to live up to the stereotype as they have no other way to deal with people
>Genasi tend towards some elemental qualities such as impusiveness for fire or stoicism for earth, but are not entirely bound
>Aasimar are beholden to good and good things and always do them
Why? Wouldn't it be less of a power wank if they had nothing else pulling on them from inside, like other planetouched? Sure, that whole "Celestial grandpa is watching and gives you candy when you do good deeds" thing could make them be good, but why not have them be primarily humans (or whatever base race) as the others?
Maybe I'll have to play a pragmatic neutral aasimar rogue. It's gotta be easy to fleece people when they automatically think you're an angel, right?
>>47161012
>Tieflings are often not innately evil and can be good
3.X tieflings are "usually evil."
>>47162360
3.X is fucking retarded.
>>47162371
Are you saying that tieflings don't tend to be evil?
>>47163529
Tieflings have a tendency to be ruthless and tenacious in a similar way to a cornered animal. Their unwanted heritage means normal people don't want them anywhere near them, so they tend to get forced to the slums where they end up hated for being different and being prey for the ganglords who are always on the prowl for new and desperate meat.
So, yes, tieflings often do go towards the evil side of things, but it is more a case of nurture rather than nature.
>>47164026
>So, yes, tieflings often do go towards the evil side of things, but it is more a case of nurture rather than nature.
Nope.
Races of Destiny:
>Alignment: Due to their infernal blood, almost all tieflings are evil. Whether rapacious and chaotic, self-serving and subtle, or adhering to a twisted and rigid sense of honor and lawfulness, few tieflings escape the taint in their blood that bids them toward evil.
>>47158527
The celestials could just adopt orphans instead and train them to become champions of justice.
>>47158527
>Why is this not happening?
Because celestials lack the sex appeal of daemons. Succubi and Incubi are born sex experts who can keep fucking for hours and will leave you behind as a quivering puddle of lust and pleasure. On the other hand, archons can onlyhold you in their arms reassuringly, make tender love to you and let you rest in their lap as they stroke your hair and tell you everything will be alright;_;
>>47165368
Where do I sign up?
>>47165368
Are you saying that's not as appealing if not more?
>>47165398
>>47165428
Are you sure about that? It's guaranteed to involveheadpats,leglocking,impregnation,being coddled in a motherly manner,being scolded furiously when you do something riskyandbeing called a foolish mortal when she turns around and decides she can't stay mad at you
>>47165368
>>47165510
Is this what having a waifu feels like?
>>47165510
>impregnation
Sorry, deal's off.
>>47165555
>he doesn't want to start a family
>>47165555
How else are you going to counter the explosion in almost-always-evil half-infernals? Don't you want a cute daughteru and raise her until she's big and strong enough to smite evildoers? Don't you want to see your teenage daughteru come back home just in time for dinner, covered in the blood of the impure, and tell you that she couldn't have done it without you?
>>47158527
Because having other mortals around can really fuck up your aasimar kids.
>>47165777
Fuck ALL of them and male ALL of them have half-celestial kids.
>>47165795
>male all of them
>male
So all celestials are female then? They just polymorph girls into boys to sire their hybrid kids?
>>47164151
Yeah, but fuck 3.X.
>5e PHB
>Alignment. Tieflings might not have an innate
tendency toward evil, but many of them end up there. Evil or not, an independent nature inclines many tieflings toward a chaotic alignment.
>5e DMG
>Alignment. Due to their celestial heritage, aasimar are often good. However, some aasimar fall into evil, rejecting their heritage.
Looking back on the EEPC (mini-book with genasi) they tend to inherit some of the personality traits of their ancestors ("As
changeable as the weather, your moods shift from calm to wild and violent with little warning, but these storms rarely last long.", "As an earth genasi, you are descended from the cruel
and greedy dao, though you aren’t necessarily evil. You have inherited some measure of control over earth, reveling in superior strength and solid power. You tend to avoid rash decisions, pausing long enough to consider your options before taking action.", etc)
Of course, Tieflings are the only ones who have mention of distant outsider ancestry, and genasi can also be caused by exposure to elemental energy while developing. 5e's take on tieflings is a bit different from 4e. They retconned that whole "ancient empire made a deal" thing, and instead had it during the spellplague, when Asmodeus attained proper godhood, he performed a ritual that bound every tiefling in Faerun to his bloodline, which is why most look like that. Since then newly bred tieflings or those from other planes still fall under the old mongrel style.
Which brings us back to >>47161012
>>47158527
> To counter all the succubi and incubi making almost-always-evil half-fiends all over the world, the Upper Planes have sent their heavenly emissaries everywhere to make almost-always-good half-celestials!
> improve mortals by fucking them a whole lot
Seems legit
Sort of happened in a setting we made, the god of humans herself reproduced with them to create angels, as servants, soldiers and protectors of humankind.
>>47158904
For one thing, that's assimar, not Half-Celestial.
Tieflings aren't the same thing as Half-Fiends either.9
>>47165510
I feel like leglocking's a little too hardcore for them.
I want an archon to spank me.
>>47170492
You're right.
Half-celestials are "always" good, half-fiends are "always" evil.
>>47165510
What if she wants more
>>47165510
>leglocking
In the next update, for sure.
>>47165510
What, noheart pupils?
>>47175813
Reminder.Any lewd scenes she has with Luka is Grandma/grandson.
>>47175813
>that reference
>>47170396
>god of humans
>makes angels
>>47178667
Good enough for YHVH, good enough for other gods.
Why are guardinals the best celestials?
>you will never snuggle into an angel's fluffy wings
>>47158565
Bretty good.
>>47176504
You're not meant to put actual spoilers in spoiler tags without warning, Anon, CHRIST.
>>47162360
Usually evil != innately evil, retard.
>>47165595
How disappointed would you be if she grows up to be a wanton whore instead?
>>47182041
Drow are also "usually neutral evil," and Drizzt is SUPPOSED to be super-special.
>>47182318
>and Drizzt is SUPPOSED to be super-special.
There's literally A RELIGION for good drow.
>>47158527
Because I'd rather use hellhounds and breed puppygirl tieflings
Though I guess you could use celestial critters too
>>47182616
Seriously, man, do you know what a hound archon is?
>>47158527
This is a bad idea.
Why? Because Evil knows that humans inherently abuse power. Therefore, half-fiends and Tieflings will be drawn to use their powers for Evil.
Half-Celestials and so on don't feel the same draw to good, and Good is naturally harder than Evil. So the bad guys just need to let their half-devils run around wrecking havoc, on the principle that these people will fuck shit up no matter what.
Good can't rely on that.
>>47159783
>You have to deliberately pretty hard to NOT be good as an aasimar. And if you happen to be deliberately doing that and falling to neutral or evil... well, that right there is cause for reprisal.
"If you are an aasimar and you run away from glorious battle to die to protect innocents, you will be hunted down and murdered by your relatives."
"I musn't run away.I musn't run away.I musn't run away.I musn't run away."
>>47182655
I said celestials could work too. Just prefer the evil option.
>>47182765
>being good = being a warrior
Go and be a nice person in the neighborhood like Mr. Rogers wanted you to.
>>47182797
What if you don't WANT to be a good person? What if you're a stuttery, cripplingly shy aasimar who just wants to be left alone with their books and not want to have others plague them with requests for aid?
Hunted down and killed for not being selfless and being a mindless automaton of Good like one's parent was, because you can actually think for yourself and be afraid and have all kinds of emotions other than selflessness.
>>47182827
>What if you're a stuttery, cripplingly shy aasimar who just wants to be left alone with their books and not want to have others plague them with requests for aid?
You can be G and a bookish hermit.
One of the archon celestial paragons is exactly that.
>>47165534
You know it does.
>>47182662
>Half-Celestials and so on don't feel the same draw to good
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfCelestial.htm
>Alignment
>Always good (any).
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/half-celestial
>Alignment: Any good.
Amazingly, ALL half-celestials have wings, even the ones born from wingless celestials, which is most celestials.
Was your mother a cute cervidal? You get wings!
I wonder if it'd be strict one-on-one, or if there'd be more than one angel per human.
>>47186155
>not practicing monogamy
That's not very good of you. Unless more than one angel loved you, in which case that's acceptable I guess.
>>47182616
>>47182655
What would I need for a catgirl aasimar/tiefling?
>>47186155
One angel is probably enough to drain you dry. You'll feel like a cheap used up whore with more than one and they wouldn't want you to feel like that, I'm sure.
>>47158527
let's see, where did I put that... Ah, here we go.
>>47178667
Well angels in this sense were basically the "humans with wings" type. If I remember correctly she gave up her omnipotence to create men, so by reuniting with them she regained that power enough to shape the offspring, which ended up being human and then given wings for flight.
Or something like that, it always felt a little magical realm to me.
>>47186933
>>47158527
>>47186933
>>47186913
This whole concept of good deities suddenly decideing that sex appeal is the best way of controlling humanity is pure Magical realm bullshit.
Deities are more than just basic politicians that are competing for votes among humanity to score seats in some senate. Mortals are supposed to follow the good deities for THEIR OWN GOOD not because they get sexytime in return. Because if they don't then the evil deities (and their followers) will take over by force and there will be murder and death and no sane person wants that. Evil deities are using sex appeal because that is a cheap and easy way manipulate mortals into their bidding, lust doesn't mean love. Mortals have their own mates to have love and sex with and good deities support that because that is how things normally should be there is no need to mess with the system that works.
>>47187650
In what circumstances would the creation of half-celestials be warranted?
>>47158527
Because hedonsm is the devil's tool, welp.
>>47187713
In the circumstances that, for some reason, good deities need more extremely competent mortal soldiers?
I don't know, depends upon the setting.
Are demons and devils sentient? Do they actively enjoy suffering or is it just not a concern to them besides gathering souls? I mean for whatever setting you're running.
In my setting there are no demons. In hell, you are assigned an angel to act as your therapist and help you work out why you feel evil urges so you can move on to whatever there is next.
>>47158527
Again with this fucking thread.
>>47186611
Aasimar: leonal agathion
Tiefling: hellcat, rakshasa
>>47188076
Demons find corrupting people and spreading suffering to not only be pleasurable, but also a source of spiritual power. Souls are a sometimes food that can be tough to get ones' hands on and that is usually best applied to other purposes.
>>47188249
And there's the silvanshee agathion for gnomes/halflings to play with too. At least I think that's the cat one.
>>47158527
I have seen where this goes.
>>47187650
>implying I stated that in post you quoted
I'm more of the camp that thinks they're already sexually appealing by default and without trying.
>>47187650
>strawman
>>47186933
I'm a fan. Would LG for.
