>$420 USD
How is this remotely acceptable?
Because people will pay for it anon.
>>46427687
Yeah i'm not sure myself. I'm a pretty big PC enthusiast and I've spent quite a bit of $$ on it and it's related systems (tri monitor setup @ 1440p with bezel less monitor, dual titans, etc.)
but i look into trying out warhammer, and the cost of entry seems so unreal. hundreds of dollars for figures. Not to mention, i don't even care to paint them, but i guess it's frowned upon to not paint them.
Won't get me in, but lucky for them to have enough long time players. I can't imagine there is new players often, honestly.
"""collectable figurines"""
>>46427748
But WHY? They're pathetically ugly models, made of fucking PLASTIC. And from what I understand, AoS isn't even that great a game.
>>46427687
It isn't, that's one of the reasons why Age of Shitmar isn't selling.
>>46427748
Apparently not, looking at sales figures.
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that will go up in a blaze
>>46427783
Age of sigmar shed most veteran fantasy players anon
>>46427783
The Start Collecting Boxes are actually reasonably valued. First one's "free," as they say.
Also, some people just get second hand stuff from ebay or fakes from China on the cheap.
Would pay the most $4.20 for those pieces of crap. Only because I need something hideous to scare birds away from my fruit tree.
>>46427783
I played 40K, and I love painting a good mini. This shit is just crap. Look at that right leg! How could that get through any sort of reasonably minded design team?
>>46427687
I actually went into a GW shop for the first time a couple weeks ago.
I knew it wasnt a place for me because I didnt see a single price tag. Anyone who spends that sort of money on models that the need an armies worth of are mad. Should spend the money taking a sculpting class or something, learn to make their own.
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that will go up in a blaze
>>46427943
At my shop the prices are all on the backs of the boxes when you pick them up.
>>46427967
Thats a bit counterintuitive isnt it?
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that money will go up in a blaze
>>46427943
Yeah, I was always scared out of wargaming by the way it just seems like it's for Upper Middle-class and up, same way toys come with labels saying they're for ages # and up. Way too rich for my parents to have ever allowed it, and still too much for me to get into as an adult with a meager income.
>>46427992
>>46427944
>>46427846
I don't understand this.
>>46428010
I guess you could say all that money will go up in a blaze
>>46428010
Neither did I until I took a closer look at the price.
>>46427894
>ugh, are those?...
>ew, monopose plastic
>jeeze, he didn't even paint the things
>fantasy died for this?
>not even primed
>glad I got out of the hobby years ago and am also a bird
>i'm going to fly to a yard that has both fruit and not-shit taste
>>46428010
Weed, son. 420 blaze it.
>>46427783
>but lucky for them to have enough long time players
Even that number is diminishing lately, GW used to be the only big company in the wargaming field for couple decades but in last few years there's some actual competition.
If you'd just like to try playing with miniatures without having to spend a fortune, there's other options, just check what's popular locally. Or what has 2 player starter kits.
>>46428053
Well, i've been playing a lot of stuff on table top sim now, much cheaper in general thank fully
>>46428007
Like shit man, I could probably buy a new , better laptop for that much. I could buy like 40 pretty good steam games. I could keep myself fed for eight and a half weeks.
Actually not sure about that last one since its dollars instead of euros but thats still weeks worth of expenses.
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that money will go up in a blaze
>>46428073
Not fond of the sim myself, I like to have actual physical minis. But whatever float your boat.
I'd say the old GW games (formerly known as Specialist Games, now officially abandoned) are still stellar. And if you find recaster even minis are affordable.
>>46427687
A guess say up money in blaze will all you could that I go
>>46428235
Kek.
>>46427799
>Aos isn't even a game
fftfy
>>46427943
In ye olde days before gw went off the deep end it wasn't too bad. A solid army wouldn't run you more than 200 hundred dollars or so at the most which for a hobby actually isn't that exorbitant. Most other companies still have reasonable prices.
GW however has decided 30 dollars for one infantry model is something people will pay.
>>46427687
Blaaaze it
>>46428329
200 hundred didgeridoos is still more than I would pay but at least I wouldn't question your sanity if you spent it.
>>46428373
>200 hundred
Dont know what happened there.
>>46428108
Well it depends on the game.
neo gw is only for the rich but games like x-wing, infinity, smallhammer variants especially buying secondhand or alternate minis, or malifaux are all reasonably priced for easy entry, all having full army price tags under 150 or so.
>literally LITERALLY pay 2 win gaming
How do tabletop players justify this sort of jewing? I could literally go out and drop a thousand on the most expensive and powerful units and wipe out any poorfag despite knowing dick all about strategy. It's like if chess gave you an extra queen if you dropped a 50 before the match.
>>46428398
Is that what smough looks like when he looses weight?
>>46428373
well think about how many hours you get out of that. You've got at least 120 hours of hobby time and an essentially infinite about of gameplay hours. That can buy what, 10, 15 steam games if your lucky? Each of those is gonna give probably 4 hours or so if you're lucky and don't pick up any duds.
If you want to find a cheap wargame the absolute most popular wargame currently on the market, x-wing, costs about 45 to dive into
>>46428399
Most didn't. Thats why you see so much bitching about the lack of points in aos.
>>46428432
I was suprised to learn smough is actually swole. In the concept art book he's shown without his armor, and it turns out all the fat is just the armor.
>>46428509
>computer game
>4 hours or so if you're lucky
Isn't take sort of.. very little? I can easily think of many older games that would last me ten times as much,
>>46427687
I'd pay $420 for 3 models of that size.
They'd have to look way better than that though.
You know how AoS has ridiculous 3 cavalry boxes which cost a gorillion dollars per cavalry in an attempt to replicate the Vampire Count knight thing?
I think this is like the AoS Riptide or Imperial Knight, except in a box of three for no reason.
>>46428572
Right but on average. When you're buying cheap steam games every now and then you get ones that's great fun that lasts you a very long time, but most of the time you launch it, play it for a bit, feel generally unenthused, and never play it again.
>>46428399
Because it's not pay to win, it's pay to play.
You can spend just as much money and lose horribly because you bought a shit unit that cost just as much money.
Poorfags can't even play: period.
>>46428625
It's not in a box of three.
For some reason that I don't understand GW still feels the need to add options to their store of literally just multiple boxes at no cost discount. This is 3 copies of a 140 dollar box.
>>46427987
The hope is that you'll see the mini and fall in love with it before knowing how whipped your ass is going to be.
>>46428572
>>46428644
Hes not wrong. That said I can easily go the other way and end up with a couple days worth of play time.
>>46428543
Well yeah. His head doesent even reach his helmet, pretty sure he looks out the eyes on his neck.
>>46428702
It's a roll of a die really.
Although I'm not sure how reasonable it is to measure the value of entertainment in hours. If that were the case just go download dota 2 and have infinite free entertainment.
>>46428729
He has an eyeslit under the face
>>46428700
Like a jewelry shop.
>>46428752
I would measure it based on the time you actually spent playing rather than the potential time. Shit I played darksouls for something like 1800 hours, thats a good investment of money.
>>46428752
>>46428788
>dota 2
>darksouls
Fucking plebs.
>>46427687
Same reason Graphics Cards cost a lot.
It's based on demand, not production.
>>46428848
>cant like darksouls because its popular now
Man fuck off.
>>46428848
>>46428788
I just don't know if I can really consider somethings value in time. I think an experience just has to be valued more holistically then that. I don't think an 100 hour thing is 10 times more value than a 10 hour thing because I enjoy the experience diversity as well. Repeated experience degrades in value I guess, and something can be tier 10 for an hour or tier 5 fun for 10 hours.
I'm just not sure raw hours spent doing it is a worthwhile measure of value.
>>46427687
It's not acceptable and it's contributing to GW's death.
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that will go up in a blaze
>>46428935
Well I wasnt the one who brought up time spent at something in the first place.
>>46428788
>1800 hours
>75 days
>2.5 months
That's like... finishing the game on NG7+ followed by SL1 NG+ Calamity run?
>>46428952
>>46428964
Or a lot of invading
>>46428964
Man I was more surprised than anyone when I finally noticed the game records the time spent playing.
But it was something like one guy at NG7+ and two other guys with different builds.
>>46428971
Yeah my bad everything's fine, GW can continue this trend forever until they have 5 customers left and they get charged 1.4 million Dollars each for a space marine.
>>46429003
>>46429012
And no invading because I dont have online on the xbox.
>>46427687
It's one of their shitty no-discount web bundles of multiple xbox-hueg models. No one is realistically going to want more than one of these things, but GeeDubs is certainly going to try their damndest to sway at least one gullible rich guy to click this thing anyway.
>>46428971
the last 3 months actually have the steepest fall of their stock for a long god damn time baring the occasional massive instant loss of value when a poor report dropped.
They've lost all the value from announcing AOS and a bit to boot.
Plus they're losing market share. It's a slow death and it may not be a death but it certainly looks like a slow slide into irrelevancy.
>>46427687
That is literally a $100 USD more then what I spent on my 1,500 point Necron army.
>>46429126
They've lost some 22% stock value since the start of the year.
Whatever they're doing isn't working I suppose. They are calling AoS a "long term investment" though. I can't say I know much about finance, but even still I can't imagine this loss of value is good.
>>46429236
At least they are getting video games made.
>literally the only thing they've made in recent years worth the money is the START COLLECTING sets
>>46429250
Yea their ip is slowly becoming their only asset left of value, and it's getting used like a dirty cum rag with mobile games and terrible plants vs zombie clones AND A FUCKING MOBA being made. I'm not sure if they get royalties or it just costs a lump sump for the licence.
Vermintide is the most successful game I think they've ever made and it got 40 thousand sales at most.
>>46429377
And they also go to show gw can absolutely afford to sell shit for cheaper
>>46429129
How did you get 1500 points of Necrons for $320?? Poorfag 40kid wannabe genuinely curious.
>>46429553
Vermintide looks really good though. Total Warhammer looks good too apart from all the DLC bullshit. You know dawn of war 3 would make them bank if they ever made it.
>>46429553
>they show GW can sell shit for cheaper
and yet we still have
>fire warriors on retail for FUCKING 50 DOLLARS
>half that on ebay
Like really GW, come on. Do they not understand supply and demand?
>>46429592
Buy battleforces and start collecting boxes from third party retailers. You'll get a genuinely good army out of that, if not a bit same-y.
>>46429633
To be fair the FW kit did get improved greatly and does have options in it the older kit doesn't. They still have some of the supply down, although I doubt there's much demand for breachers.
>>46429592
The Battleforce gets you 20 warriors, 5 Scarab Swarms, 5 Immortal/Death Marks and a Ghost Arc/Doomsday Arc alone. It was 120 bucks when I bought it. A shame they discontinued it.
>>46429602
In the last 27 months 22 warhammer titles have come out.
Let me list the good ones.
Vermintide.
Bloodbowl 2
Mordheim
the rest are shit.
Total war is questionable considering some worrying things we've seen so far and rome 2 launch.
>>46429236
>They've lost some 22% stock value since the start of the year.
>They are calling AoS a "long term investment" though.
Generally speaking you can justify such drop in shares value to the stakeholders, if you explain it as a necessary "transformation" to generate more value later.
When Apple announced they will branch from computers into mobile phones, their shares also dropped for a bit. Look where it got them now.
I'm certainly not saying that what GW is doing actually would be generating more profits down the line, but the stakeholders won't panic for couple more months because so far they can still be convinced GW management knows what they are doing.
>>46427687
I guess you could say all that money will go up in a blaze
>>46429700
The space ship one looks like it could be ok. Deathwatch might turn out good too.
4-5 good warhammer games coming out is still a lot better than zero
>>46429665
>>46429681
Thanks guys. I'll have to look into those boxes.
>>46429733
battle fleet gothic, eternal crusade, deathwing and total war are all in the "wait and see box"
But the important thing is that for every ood warhammer game 3 shit ones come out.
It's gotten so over saturated that a lot of people like me who used to buy any video game with the words warhammer on it now only buy them after hearing a lot of good reviews
>>46429814
Don't forget about assassins creed black flag: shitty warhammer reskin!
>>46427784
Why would you want three copies of the same collectable figure?
>>46429814
Thats how you probably should buy games in the first place you know.
>>46429908
That actually sounds sort of cool.
>>46427687
I always hear that "QUALITY AIN'T FREE" bullshit about these kinds of things.
You know what's weird? A couple of GW models are a bit cheaper than their Mantic equivalent.
>>46428788
Invest means you get a return on capital.
Tell me how much money you earned in those 1800hours. Stop using the word invest like a women buying clothes. You usually SPEND money on something and it's return is measured in fun or something else subjective.
>>46429700
bfg:armada?
Oh wait you are just repeating some blog you read.. Sorry
>>46430285
Like I said before I wasnt the one who brought up time spent in the first place.
>>46430323
Technically I guess that hasn't come out yet. Or has it?
Yo whens fucking vermintide coming out on console? My computer is too shit to run it.
>>46430323
bfg isn't out yet and was suffering some pretty damn terrible balance issues last time I checked
>>46430272
Which ones?
But to be fair mantic being cheap is a shitty meme
>>46427783
Other hobbies you can compare to are golf, fishing, kayaking. It all depends on what you think is value for money. You mention you don't care to paint them - you definitely aren't going to get value for money then.
If game is all you're looking for I suggest board games, historicals, or hex and counter wargames. A lot of miniatures games focus on the modeling aspect, since it's what makes them distinct from other wargames.
>>46429700
>Bloodbowl 2
>good
It's even more of a hideous money grab that the Total War game; at least most of the base game is there in that one. BB2 gives you just 8 out of 21 rosters, with 5$+ DLC teams for the rest planned. Not to mention the rules for the game are essentially free.
>>46430272
Fucking up isn't free either, you know. Someone took time and effort to make every model look like a legit product. Sometimes it fails, but you still paid for the work as if it didn't. So hey, $420 for a bunch of Ken Dolls riding aborted komodos.
>>46430748
I've seen people make the exact same argument for well over a decade. Year on year, GW prices soar, more people decide the value for money just isn't there, and the community contracts.
>>46430775
Is that better or worse than what bloodbowl 1 gave you? Because I just bought that shit in one go when the chaos addition came out.
Only an idiot would spend >$30 on a little plastic figurine. Even if you're rich, you're still be a fucking idiot. /thread.
>>46427687
Because the obsessive fanbase will still buy it anyway.
>>46430846
>Year on year, GW prices soar
I'm not denying this at all, and I am by no means trying to justify GW prices - I was talking more about miniature gaming in general.
Miniatures in general offer very little value for money if you're only interested in the game side and not the modeling side in my opinion - there's lots of alternatives nowadays for considerably lower entry costs.
>>46427687
Because GW babies are fine with paying absurd prices for ugly models.
>>46430748
>comparing spending hundreds of dollars on miniatures to buying an irl boat
Why don't you drop a few hundred bucks on tiny plastic kayaks for your minis?
>>46430855
>Bloodbowl 1
Let's make a game from a tabletop game, the rules of which are free. Let's only include a third of the factions of the game, by the way.
>Bloodbowl Legendary
Now, there's the same game but which all the factions except 3. It's not a DLC but a standalone priced about the same as the original.
>Bloobowl Chaos Edition
Let's put in the three faction we omitted last time, plus a couple alternative cosmetic stuff for the game. Also a standalone.
>Bloodbowl 2
Let's redo the whole game (that still is a direct port of the free and 25 years old tabletop game), but with better graphics. Also, only a third of the factions are in., it worked the first time around.
The whole thing is a worse scam than the Call of Duty and Battlefield series, and those are bug-riden shovelware.
And remember, Chaos League died for this shit.
>>46430855
Chaos edition is far more complete; it gives you all the CRP teams at least (18 or so); so you're missing the LRB6 ones like Slann, Chaos Pact, and .
The game still lacks the full range of induceable Star Players however, especially chainsaws (which can be really important in balancing lopsided matchups). Overall it's still not a complete implementation of the ruleset.
If graphics aren't important to you then you can play the game for free on FUMBBL, an online Java client (see pic for an idea of what it looks like). Pop over to the Blood Bowl generals (>>46369852) for more - signups for season 3 of the /tg/ FUMBBL league are just starting.
>>46430285
he invested $60 and time and earned 1800 hours of happiness
>>46430727
Left isn't GW, nor do they have as large of a catalog, or as busy of a schedule
>>46430918
That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. If you compare GW's prices against most things, you'll find that yes, they cost as much as a real boat. And if you'd much rather spend the cash on the boat rather than miniatures, then don't even think about starting this hobby.
I don't own any GW miniatures myself; I have a shelf of boardgames instead. I'm just trying to give the poster I replied to a basis for meaningful comparison. If the price is too high, stay out - especially considering he doesn't like painting.
>>46430943
So I wait a few years and buy one game that has all the races, I dont see much problem there.
>>46430946
I tried playing FUMBBL once but as much as it pains me to admit, I couldnt get as good of a handle on the way the game was going because of the graphics.
>>46430947
Well hey now, I wouldnt say 1800 hours of happiness. There was a lot of bullshit. Still didnt ever get a goddamn channelers trident.
>>46430999
And fancy 3d graphics would help that... how? There's only 3 things a player needs to show - what specific player he is and what his stats are, whether he's knocked down/stunned, and whether he's already moved. The rest is just knowing the rules.
>>46431025
Man I play dominions all day graphics usually arent a problem for me. They were in bloodbowl though. I had a lot more trouble deciding on what way to move my guys and how their movement would work. I also didnt like the way the pitch went from left to right rather than up and down.
>>46430918
All are high entry cost high time investment social (potentially) niche hobbies.
An army and paints and such costs a good 500 dollars.
A decent kayak costs 500 dollars or so
A set of golf clubs runs 200 to 1200 dollars
A good set of fishing gear can easily break 400
>>46430901
You'll actually notice among the warhammer fanbase not a single kind word said about anything recent save the board games barring the occasional man man.
/whfb/ is equal parts modelling and lore discussion, talking about proxies, and shit talking GW
Almost no one is happy that they are charging $30 for a single tactical marine that's slightly strange.
>>46430897
This is very true. If modelling and painting doesn't do it for you there are much cheaper much better games that are just games.
The fun in wargaming is building and painting an army that is deeply and existentially yours because half of it is greenstuff and you wrote little backstories for all your guys, they are beyond a shadow of a doubt Your Dudes, and you get to push them around and play campaigns against other peoples Dudes. It's not "oh the game is really really good" because it's really really average.
>>46430918
They are both hobbies. A kayak and GW's plastic crack are the same: overpriced and unnecessary stuff that people buy because it give them a way to spend time that they enjoy.
In the end, it's less about how expensive it is and more about how enjoyable one finds it. No point in doing something you don't like.
>>46431053
That's more a matter of getting used to the rules of the game and the pressure of having to make decisions though. Board orientation can always be re-learned, and fancier graphics aren't going to make you any better at Blood Bowl tactics.
>>46431053
That's not graphical fidelity that's just shit design of the graphics.
>>46431068
You say that but I can have a real match against people on bloodbowl 1 and fuck up constantly the time I played FUMBBL.
>>46429709
They've been explaining away loses on 'extraordinary' or 'restructuring' expenses for some time, such as moving to one man shops, their new website, etc. They should be seeing an upturn by now, but somehow Kirby writes the most incredible deluded rubbish on investor reports and keeps going.
Eventually I think they'll scrap Sigmar, put Fantasy down like an old dog. Focus on 40K instead which is where the money is now. They might shut more shops and shrink the company over a very long period. It doesn't have to end with them suddenly going bust and being bought out but the days of them owning big gaming stores in every city where people would crowd in to play big games are over.
>>46428543
In lore he was Gwyn's Cheif Executioner and what earned him the title of Glutton and the symbolic shape of his armour, is also the reason he was barred from being one of the King's Knights(the leaders of the black knights [demon slayers] and silver knights [dragon slayers] that fought in the war at the end of The Age of Fire that slew the Dragons and First Gods), his cannibalistic tendencies. In one of his item descriptions it says he gleefully consumed his victims, thus damning himself. Even by Dark Souls standards giving him fat armour and a tithammer was relatively light in terms of ostracization, the Bed of Chaos was the Witch of Izalith, who invented magic but for using chaos was cast out and relegated to a burning hell scape full of demons and all but two of her descendants doomed to horrible mutation and death for what is implied to be AT LEAST one thousand years.
>>46431102
why must all good things die
>>46431109
Damn I want some dark souls/berserk styled minis.
>>46431127
GW used to be a real games workshop, they used to make lots of games and expansions and a wider variety of miniatures than they do now. Wargames, Skirmish games, Boardgames, RPGs, even card games, for all sorts of licenses, like Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper, Dr Who. I don't think they're a very creative company any more, that's why they lost their appeal for me, and what I suspect is the end result of being publicly owned, everything that doesn't directly lead to profits gets cut. But that mercenary attitude has eroded the ethos of the company into something that can't sustain itself and a large customer base. Now they have to shrink down to what just a couple of games with weak rulesets can supprt.
>>46431221
>berserk mini
Let's hope they don't get shipped by boat.
>>46431065
Except an expensive kayak is expensive because it's made of better materials and objectively better at doing the thing it is made for.
An expensive plastic toy can easily be sold for less than what is being sold for but it just isn't, because they want to milk as much money as possible. The extra costs aren't going to better model making presses, it's going straight into someone's pocket.
>>46431374
>>46431374
THE BOAT ARC IS OVER
REJOICE BROTHER
>>46431407
They still have to take the boat back.
>>46428509
I love table top but there is some severe stretching going on in your post. You can get a shit ton of games for 200 bucks during steam sales which happen all the time. Among these many could potentially give you hundresds of hours.
There simply is no way tt is better value for money, it's a specialist hobby and thatsxwhy we love it.
>>46428752
What roll of a die? This is not a lottery, you should do some research about a game and make a conscious, informed purchase.
>>46431402
Your average games workshop miniature is objectively superior to it's equivalent mantic figure, in sculpt quality, mold quality, and material quality, and in the majority of peoples estimation subjective qualities like design, But just like the difference between a 300 dollar and 500 dollar kayak, if that difference in quality is worth the price is utterly subjective.
Not to mention there are kayaks that are more expensive because they are a popular brand and they can afford to inflate their price in the same way GW does. Kayak makers are no less greedy or profit motivated than miniature makers.
>>46430342
>>46430442
It is out on Steam.. its 35 dollars and you can play <5 min assuming you dont live in burgerland and have 5mbit adsl.
There is a BFG thread on /tg/ for the past 4 weeks. Its generally considered a fun game.
>>46431402
Yeah, because margins are only practiced by Jew Dubs and there's no companies out there that make good model, right.
GW is the Alienware of wargaming, they aren't a good reference for bang/bucks ratio. Or anything else, really.
>>46431483
I bought it on steam but my computer is a ball of dirt and cant handle it. Its supposed to be out on consoles early 2016 so I was wondering if anyone heard anything.
>>46427687
Because one day Games Workshop rose prices. People still bought stuff.
They tried it again. People still bought stuff.
Eventually they started taking the piss and raising prices way beyond what any reasonable person would expect to pay. People are still buying them.
Now here we are.
>>46431467
I've reaserched plenty of games, bought it, played it for a bit and it just didn't "click" for me. There are a hell of a lot of games in my steam library that I played for two hours, sort of enjoyed, and then never played again.
>>46431443
Value isn't mere hours though, it's Hours * average enjoyment level
What do you think is more valuable, an hour of grinding in wow or an our of having a fantastic time playing mordheim with your friends and getting drunk? A CS:GO game without a single memorable event or a satisfying dig through your bits box and scratch building a slanneshi lord playing a guitar? I've done all four and I can certainly say the laters were well worth a score or more of the formers.
Hell 4chan is infinite free entertainment but you spend money on entertainment anyway.
Quality and variation are important, and to me, at least in the past before this dark age of 30 dollar one man clam packs, the value was well worth it. Now not so, and I find myself buying from people like pic related instead.
>>46431562
I would like to point out again that it was you who brought up hours of use in the first place.
>>46431562
I agree with your enjoyment argument and certainly did not intend to imply that the way you use.your $ for entertainment is wrong. I am happy that you get so much enjoyment out of miniatures. I still believe that on a limited budget vidya might be a better option and I think for a large percentage of people will be just as enjoyable. He'll the two hobbies blend together now through TTS.
When it comes to duds keep the new steam refund system in mind, it won't work always but ifyou know it doesn't click after 30-40 minutes refund this shit. It's your right as a customer.
When it comes
>>46428644
>Project zomboid
its not. then dont. /thread
>>46430918
Yah, firing through one 20rnd magazine of 7.62 NATO will set you back about $10. Firearms make minis look cheap.
That said, for not a whole lot more than those three models you could get an entry-level AR-15 which would be a hell of a lot more fun and actually hold some value
>>46428046
kek
>>46432450
You are not allowed to /thread your own post.
>>46427687
>$420 USD
I could literally buy a NIB standard-size army for most other game systems for that price, if not cheaper.
What the fuckity shitballs.
>5 years ago 10 of my friends were playing this game
>nowadays not even one
>they all sold their armies
>>46431480
How about avatars of war?
>>46430748
>I suggest board games, historicals, or hex and counter wargames.
THIS
>>46427783
>i don't even care to paint them,
Do you also want to get into collecting model planes, but complain that you need to glue them together and paint them?
This is why i just buy Perry brothers and convert. GW is just slitting their wrists while screaming its for a better tomorrow. Hate watching something youve loved for almost 2 decades just die in a single year. I was a die-hard GW Shill but even I have been disgusted with their dealings
>>46430727
Bulk deals... No one is defending Mantics individual models, we defend the army deals.
>>46433093
This, at that you can make big armies for a good price.
My prefered quality/price tough is Momminiaturas/Divine Rage, 1 euros for human figure in the units and 4 for heroes, and the quality in resine is good.
>>46431109
That's not what happened with the Witch.
She attempted to create a new first flame (is that what it was called, I forget) with her Lord Soul, but she failed and created Chaos, with both she and her followers and children being transformed into demons.
>>46428373
Fuck you Anon. A lot of the minis I brought back in the day are worth more now on Ebay than I spent on them after adjusting for Inflation.
I doubt your spending on Ice Cream and Blow Jobs has proved to be as fruitful.
>>46434146
>Blow Jobs
>fruitful
You're doing it wrong.
>>46433093
> Bulk deals
Word. I'm not a fan of their Kings of War line, but I look forward to maybe picking up some Asterians once Warpath bundles hit.
>>46432988
People that build model planes are exclusively into the the hobby for the pure element of having the model. Wargaming has additionally, you know, the gaming. This is more akin to Wizards exclusively selling black and white MTG cards not dissimilar to a coloring book page, and then being telling people that "real" players should take pride in their cards and complete them even if they just want to play the fucking card game.
>>46427687
We for starters, your currency is fucking low compared to the pound.
Add taxes, you get a big price increase compars to what you'd pay in the UK.
Then of course the model is big à qo GW jacks up the price again, but when you're done memeing you can just leave it be. I don't like the models I don't buy them, simple as that. I don't feel the need to talk about thag ugly ass expensive dragon.
>>46435874
I think your pic explains GW's downward spike in market share pretty well.
>>46429553
>Vermintide is the most successful game I think they've ever made and it got 40 thousand sales at most.
If you're talking WHFB then you might be right, focus on "might", but that doesn't go for 40K. Both, DoW and DoW2 have been bestsellers. Even Space Marine sold 1.2Million and that one is considered a flop.
>>46429700
Are you the same guy as above? Because you sound just as misguided.
>Let me list the good ones
>Bloodbowl 2
>Mordheim
Both games are absolute shit henny. BB2 is worse than the first one, and Mordheim is dead, broken and full of wasted potential.
Other than that, Battlefleet Gothic Armada is absolute top. I pirated the beta because I thought it's shit, but I so was pleasantly surprised that I bought it. It's much more than it seems. I can only recommend trying it out.
TW: Warhammer also looks great for a licensed game that's not build entirely new, but rather gets put on top of an existing franchise. I don't really play TW anymore, but I might look into it. At least it'll be the most immersive game in terms of Warhammer and strategy to date(and also the last because WHFB is dead Jim.)
>>46427844
Do we actually have sales figures yet ? Im very curious to see them.
>>46427687
I'd buy a snazzy bicycle and go outside.
>>46427687
DUDE
>>46438618
It's failing, how much is to be seen.
>>46428964
Or a lot of PvP/trolling newbies/ spamming scraping spe- errrr acid stuff.
>>46430727
What is that on the left?
>>46433112
Meanwhile, in Nottingham...
"Sir, I understand now! People aren't buying the new terrible-looking models and scenery because they are more expensive than the cheaper, better-looking ones from before!"
"So what do we do?"
"..."
"..."
"Why, we raise the prices of the old ones, of course!"
"By jove! Wonderful idea! Absolutely splendid!"
"Indeed! Pass me that caviar so I can spunk into it, will you old chap?"
>>46429602
vermintide is great, I highly recommend it
>>46429553
Vermintide sold over 500k copies
>>46427889
Some of those start collecting boxes are amazing for the value. Like hot damn. Some times its more worth it just to buy the Start Collecting box, then to just buy 1 of the individual components.
Some of the boxes are kinda shit though
>>46440280
the ork one is shit, but the Admech one is phenomenal
>>46435874
>that picture
At this point I wouldn't care if the models were Duplo quality, I just want more bang for my buck. I feel like I'd have to take out a bank loan if I want to try out more than one or two factions.
>>46434813
Just ask /biz/, that can be a great entrepreneurial opportunity
>>46427783
>i look into trying out warhammer, and the cost of entry seems so unreal. hundreds of dollars for figures
It is expensive but I was looking in to 40k pricing to re enter and it's less than I spend on Magic decks, it's fairly expensive but, not to be funny, a lot of stuff is
>>46435874
Has anyone ever tried putting GW orc heads on Mantic Orcs? I have the suspicion that that would make them look indistinguishable enough from each other that you could mix regiments.
>>46440522
Depends on your army, depends on what you want to do. There's a lot of second-hand stuff on the market that can just be given a fresh bit of paint, and if your army suits it (IE orks) you can exchange some man-hours for money and scrachbuild instead.
>>46440522
>40k cheaper than magic
literally how
>>46440852
3rd party models, ebay, shops with discounts and even buying the stuff directly from GW will be cheaper than a modern deck.
>>46440852
If he's playing Legacy or certain parts of modern and eyes certain armies, a 40k army is cheaper than a deck.
The prices of both lines are completely retarded, though.
>>46440919
>even buying the stuff directly from GW will be cheaper than a modern deck.
how so? I don't play magic so I can't fathom how building a deck of cards could possibly cost more
>>46440852
The way you think, £500 for a 2,000 point army and rule books, around £700 for a Modern deck. In fact you could buy two 1750 point armies for some factions and not bad ones at that.
>>46440979
holy shit really?
>>46440973
AFAIK the prices for modern are absolutely insane these days. Even standard got worse with the last rotation. I don't play magic anymore but I play with the thought of getting into it again every few months, but then I realize how many minis I could get for that money. It's a shame really.
>>46441036
>go to mtgtop8
>click on recent modern event (which is the 'cheaper' of the 2 non-rotating formats)
the top 8 decks range from 592$ to 1625$
>>46441036
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-rg-tron-16063#paper
The market is a little weird with the current meta but that deck is currently worth £680. One of the top decks is almost certainly getting nerfed tomorrow so expect prices to fluctuate.
>>46441178
>>46441163
holy hell, and those are cards
you can't even paint or build them like models.
>>46427687
Who cares? No one is buying that shit, and I think it's hilarious watching GW stubbornly push this garbage after the huge folly that was AoS entirely replacing WHFB. That move cost them so many customers, it wouldve killed most model/game companies.
>>46441163
>>46441178
>>46441449
I don't understand, I can't just build my models from nothing so I have to pay for something.
You could literally just print these out off the internet.
>>46441620
>>46441449
Tell me about it. I'm not saying GW aren't expensive, because as other companies show, they are. I am saying that GW, while expensive, are in the same ball park as other nerd hobbies.
>>46429553
Vermintide is at almost 600K sold copies.
>>46441768
good
new DLC or maps when?
>>46439991
It appears to be one of MOMminiaturas' models.
>>46440979
>>46441036
Well that's competitive play. For casual play you still need hundreds of dollars to start a 40K army, while in MtG you can get started with like 50 bucks.
>>46440300
Tyranid one is a complete joke. But the ad mech one, and the two daemon ones are fucking elder god tier for the money
>>46441786
seriously, content 4 weeks old is already stale for you?
>>46442372
Imperial guard one is great too
>10 guardsmen
>commissar
>HWT
>Russ
i mean the russ alone is like 65 or something isn't it?
>>46442452
I want more missions.
>>46427687
then don't buy it poorfag. God, so tired of entitled poor people that are only really poor because they are terrible at managing finances and order pizza 7 times a week. save up, or shut up.
>>46442372
Only if you go by gw standards.
They are reasonably priced not crazy value
>>46427687
It's a high price.
:^)
>>46428007
it's not the world's issue you and your parents can't afford a completely none essential HOBBY.
>>46442372
>khorne box
>120 dollars normally
>tyranid box
>130 dollars normally
m8
>>46442743
>>46442690
We autism now
>>46431102
>Eventually I think they'll scrap Sigmar, put Fantasy down like an old dog. Focus on 40K instead which is where the money is now.
Except all their problem is coming from exactly this. By the chapterhouse documents, Fantasy's share from their revenue was 34%. They turned that to 10% with AoS. If they kill it entirely that's another 10% loss.
It is fascinating to see the 'they should just scrap fantasy and make 40k' arguments still present after they did basicly that and had the worst drop in stock in 2 years even before their annual report came out.
They need both 40k and fantasy doing good. Can't live on 40k alone. Hell, they should actually incorporate HH into the mainstream even more as well.
