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>Videocasts:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ANRBadPublicity
https://www.youtube.com/user/ANRBlackHats
https://www.youtube.com/user/cjfm27 (Hidden Assets)
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheJacksonHoward
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ7hPuO4R15t0qAKnjFi-Iw (Metropole Grid)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPhQKKX1XHTNPO_PCQZiyUQ (Neoreading grid)
https://www.youtube.com/user/dodgepong (PeachHack)
https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamworkCast
https://www.youtube.com/user/Willingdone

For the record:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/3/31/clones-are-not-people/

Note: I didn't touch the floor rules.

What does everyone think? I really think that MOpus is back to shine with all the Wide decks going around.

Nega Sonic Teenage Warhead

Silhouette: Stealth Operative

Event (25)
3x Account Siphon
3x Dirty Laundry
2x Emergency Shutdown
2x Express Delivery
3x Inside Job
2x Legwork
1x Levy AR Lab Access •••
1x Paper Tripping
2x Recon
3x Special Order
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (4)
2x Desperado
2x Plascrete Carapace

Resource (2)
2x Same Old Thing

Icebreaker (7)
1x Cerberus "Rex" H2
2x Corroder ••••
2x Faerie
1x Femme Fatale
1x ZU.13 Key Master ••

Program (2)
2x Magnum Opus ••••

13 influence spent (max 15-2=13)
40 cards (min 40)
Cards up to All That Remains

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

>>46383471
I'm less and less of a MO fan every day. I realize how powerful it is to just click for 2 instead of 1, or using it for a power turn to take 8. But I learned that just TriMaf+Kati or SecTesting is enough. Plus, SecTest with desperado is already pretty good, I'd leave MO for glaciers.
Also, no bank jobs?

>>46383769

Really depends on your econ needs. Me I'm always a big fan of recurring econ. MO doesn't exactly fit too well with that. But in big rigs deck, it's still a *great* card.

>>46383471

With that deck name, I was expecting a MaxX deck or something... at the very least a lot more Anarch cards.

I guess my question is... why MO? What do you need the credits for? If for asset spam, I'd rather some Scrubbers and a bit of support econ myself (see just above).

>>46383769
I'm just not really sure what to play, Dumblefork interests me in no way, and Spags just seems like the FotM thing

>>46384517
>If for asset spam, I'd rather some Scrubbers
Exactly what I was thinking too. Although my current deck is a janktastic BP deck. The way I play it, either I'm trashing all those assets for nearly free with BP, or not at all and hammer centrals with burst econ.

Going back to MO, in my experience it doesn't work alone. It's ok to draw from it, but it needs either plenty burst or recurring credits like you said.

>>46384544

Tech Trader Geist?

Haven't played it myself yet, but playing against I found it was fairly cool. Granted, it's just old Geist build with a boosted econ, so if you're looking for something different and are just out of playing Geist, might not be fun, but otherwise, I think it's really worth a try.

>>46384759
>BP deck

Anarch or out of faction?

>>46384759
BP? Bad Pub?

>>46385155
>>46385122
Anarch, yes BP, valencia with investigative journalism, fan sites and frame job.
BP does a lot of work when you put it to trash everything. Those 4 clicks are totally worth it.

>>46385194

Really wanting to try DaVinci/Activist Support, Fan Site/Frame Job, and maybe even Investigative Journalism in a Shaper BP deck. Artist Colony support, maybe.

>>46385269
Same actually, except Im not a good enough player to use Blackmail properly, or I just hit a Caprice / Ash and die

>>46385269
With Corporate Scandal you don't need Activist Support Jank anymore though.

>>46385332

Have you no soul? Don't you feel the call of the jank in your weary bones?

>>46385332
This actually makes me sad, Activist Support Jank was so cool

>>46385375

I love that card. I LOVE the card.

I confess I was really perplex in the beginning, it left me scratching me head for a few months, but once I got the hang of what I wanted to do with it, damn, the fun it gave me.

>tfw really want to make a NASol deck with a playset of CANP
Is spending 9 fucking influence to do this a good idea at all?

>>46386049
CANP?

>>46386115
Clones are not People
The card in the OP

>>46386127
I think it'd be worth it, do it or no balls

>>46386169
Alright, gonna make it happen!
>tfw Breaking News is a 2/2

>>46386049
I've had that same jank kicking around in my head since the card was spoiled. I can't fucking wait.

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>>46383769
>TriMaf
Heh, I once killed someone with their own Tri-Maf

Can't wait to swap out all my PAD campaigns for Commercial Bankers Group in Gagarin - sure the trash is weak, but the money is great

>>46387601
Or in Blue Sun. OAI a Curtain Wall ahead of it, bounce the ICE back next turn, earn extra Bankers cash.

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>>46387687
No, if you're Blue Sun you'll import Clone Suffrage Movement, thanks to the Blue Sun order rules - sure, it eats your clicks, but infinate OAI until the Curtain Wall or whatever gets trashed is great

If I'm NASol can I score an Agenda, search for CANP and then immediately score it?

>>46388089
No. Scoring happened before the play. It's the same thing as installing team sponsorship with team sponsorship.

Can the anon writing Kit fanfiction do some more? Feeling lonely :(

My eyes! My eyes! They've been hacked. HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

>>46387601
>Heh, I once killed someone with their own Tri-Maf

Happens once in a while. I still think it can be worth the risk to slot it.

>>46389798

There's been Kit fanfiction?

>>46390281
Yeah two threads ago iirc some anon did some stories about a guy becoming a cyborg under Kits mentorship

I'm getting ready for a core and deluxe only tournament. Thinking argus is the way to go.

>>46390616

Could be interesting. Though I think I'd rather Deluxe + choice cycles. No Core.

>>46390728
Might try that in another month, been organizing tournaments, and I find it fun. My group wants different deck building restrictions for a monthly, thinking I'll alternate between regular rules and extra restrictions.

For runner I'm thinking Adam. There is much less aggression hate there.

>>46390906

Yeah, never play in any, but I like to organize tournaments/events from time to time myself... only issue for me is it removes one playing day out of my already scarce schedule.

But it's cool to see others go crazy when you find the right constraints.

>>46391006
The place I play has a small enough group that I can play and run, topped out at 16, but for bigger events I'd step out.

>>46385361
Savoir Faire + Dinosaurus + Spike/Shiv/Crowbar in, I don't know, Geist. Pure, unadulterated jank. If you want to go further, Au Revoir + Snitch as econ engine to fuel Sunny breakers as backup measure.

>>46391092

I'm in love.

>>46391092
Don't forget the security chips.

>>46391092
(45 cards)
Armand "Geist" Walker: Tech Lord
-- Event (0 cards)
1 Levy AR Lab Access
3 Sure Gamble

-- Hardware (0 cards)
2 Dinosaurus
2 HQ Interface
2 Security Chip

-- Program (0 cards)
3 Au Revoir
3 Crowbar
1 GS Sherman M3
1 GS Shrike M2
2 Savoir-faire
3 Shiv
3 Spike
1 ZU.13 Key Master

-- Resource (0 cards)
3 Access to Globalsec
3 Daily Casts
3 Fall Guy
3 Gang Sign
3 Tech Trader
3 Technical Writer

>>46392749
Drop Sure Gamble, go for Muertos Gang Members instead

>Brahman, Femme Fatale, London Library, Oracle May
I want to use this as my "core" rig.

+As little as 8 credits to set up
+Never actually have to pay the cost of Femme Fatale
+Can handle servers behind up to three ICE, as long as one's a Sentry
+Pretty resistant to Swordsman.
+Leaves me plenty of optional MU, especially if I drop a console

-Glaciers 4 or more layers deep
-High-strength ICE, if Femme Fatale's bypass ability is pointed elsewhere
-It's a click to draw FF with May, and a click to host her on London Library. I'm unlikely to run more than once a turn.
-I'm a noob, so there has to be at least one drawback I'm not even considering

What support cards would you recommend? Besides Datasucker obviously. I plan on a Shaper ID, but I might import D4Vid.

>>46394978
LLDS goes really well with London Library, as so does Chameleon. Personally I'm tuning a Overmind+LLDS+London Library deck, but it's far from done.
Chronosteki and that new NBN archetype about looking at your hand to trash shit can potentially hurt any future London Library plans. Against Chronosteki is easy, Feedback Implants. NBN is unstoppable in that regard because it's not damage, it's pure control. It's Lukas giving all the good stuff to NBN once again.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/4/1/age-of-darkness

FFG partners with Paradox to bring a new line of World of Darkness products to your table.

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>>46387601
That's why I now play Forger instead of Logos. And I kept forgetting Logos trigger anyway.

>>46396264
Sigh

Hope springs eternal.

>>46394106
Muertos is good, but I don't know it's worth dropping Sure Gamble good

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>>46390246
Yeah, I think this was just notable because I couldn't afford a scorch, but I could afford the trash

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So how's everyone finding No Middle Ground? How many of your decks got fucked over by First Snow?

>tfw trying to keep track of shared cards over 5 decks

So... how long till the thread goes back to normal?

Getting tired of the grey.

>>46410206
There's no back to normal anon, only forever grey.

So, is everyone using councilmen and PoOps now or is that only a bluff?

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>>46412136
When they're available:

Criminals will have them to get around wide decks, caprice and anything else that hasn't been pre-rezzed

Anarchs don't really need them, but might include councilman for Caprice and Jackson. Non-whizzards might include /pol/ops

Shaper, who knows. But sticking one to Jackson and Caprice is pretty handy.

For once Weyland actually has the answer to both of them (Contract Killer and Crisium Grid), so expect to see more Crisiums splashed

>>46412136
3 Kala Goda blisters arrived last week. It's almost like they have to ship it to the moon or something.

>>46412254
Why nonwhizzards?

>>46412299
Whizz has less trouble with trashing, and can't use his recurring credits for pol op (scrubber can't be used for it either) so he gets the least out of it. Most of the time it'll likely be better to spend influence on other things

>>46412586

But then the real strength of Political Operative isn't the trashing, it's the absence of need for access.

Anyone that has been cockblocked by Caprice can benefit from it. Whizzard is no different on that respect.

>>46412620
True, though first you have to get in. Which is why you use Councilfam, to get your HQ access by denying the Caprice rez.

Though she'll pretty much always be pre-rezzed now

>>46412681

But then either she's on HQ or she on the external server.

Hell, she's already rezzed most of the time anyway because Drive By or Queen's Gambit, among others.

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>>46412738
Yeah, it's going to be a "can you get into HQ before caprice is there and already rezzed" arms race, for that particular arms race.

Still, it's better anti-caprice than pic related. God damn is that cost and requirement stupid. The requirement kind of makes sense (though makes it near useless against Caprice on HQ) but the rest is really stupid.
I'd almost like to see some high-trash cost Clones, Bioroids or Execs that are actually useful, but 2 clicks and a successful run probably relegate it to permanent binder fodder (though shooting Turtlebacks might be cool, just not really 2 clicks cool)

>>46412816

The thing I like about it is just the threat of it is often enough to force a self-trash.

Cue Jackson being used sub-optimally right after a successful run on HQ to prevent the trash.

Also like that it forces your hand running last click, really.

>>46412897
Hmm. What's a good way to have loads of money in criminal? I've got a (stupid) idea that I want to try, but I think it'll need a lot of cash

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I fixed the meta for you:

SYNC: Everything, Everywhere

Agenda (9)
3x AstroScript Pilot Program
3x Explode-a-palooza
3x Project Beale

Asset (9)
3x Ghost Branch
3x Jackson Howard
2x Project Junebug ••
1x Ronin ••••

Operation (14)
3x Hedge Fund
3x Mushin No Shin ••••• •
3x Psychographics
2x Restructure
3x Sweeps Week

Barrier (6)
3x Resistor
3x Wraparound

Code Gate (3)
3x Pop-up Window

Sentry (3)
3x Gutenberg

12 influence spent (max 15-3=12)
18 agenda points (between 18 and 19)
44 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

>>46413178
That doesn't fix anything.

What is best corp and why is it yellow?

>>46415019
>why
If all they had were Astro, it'd be enough. SanSan, Jackson, DBS, Wraparound, and Tollbooth are icing on the cake.

>>46412816
Can the gun be used to trash rezzed Bioroid Ice in Awakening Center?

>>46415774
I donno if hosted on Awakening Center counts as "in" a server or not (I'd say yes) but the more important thing is that ice on Awakening Center will never be rezzed for you to shoot it.

If you trigger Awakening Center, the ice is rezzed RIGHT THEN and not before, and then trashed after the encounter is over, there is no time to spend the two clicks to shoot it.

While the ICE is unrezzed, even if you know it is a bioroid (unless the corp is literally cheating to bluff you), since it is not rezzed, the game doesn't know its a bioroid.

>>46415774
yes, should that super unlikely scenario ever arise, as they are "in" the server

>>46416261
I remember a ruling that allowed FAO targeted at them. In that case, Blackguard can force a rez on all those ICE before it's even encounter.

>>46419742
>This kills the News Team

>>46419804
The is Netrunner. Print a great Corp card then print a better Runner card to negate it.

Netrunner2.0 when?

>>46420468
At least we got some use out of Data Dealer too.

>>46420577
Gencon 2017

>>46420468
You forgot the intermediary step : "print a better yellow card".

>>46420607
So what the counter to Worlds Plaza gonna be? 'Cause a better yellow was/is printed.

>>46421335
Pol Op?

I think you're meant to use World's Plaza to hold a load of easily trashed assets in a scoring-type server

So is the Councilmen a soft counter to Hostile Infrastructure in IG decks?

>>46421335
It's already Imp.

>>46422188
To bump the thread and to elaborate, if you used say /pol/op on it you'd still loss a card from it's trashing effect, Councilmen just derezzes it if I'm correct.

>>46423853
Yes, but you can trash it when it's derezed and thus inactive

How can we best make use of Weyland's new naked asset? The one that gives three creds if there's no ice in front. I'm thinking about Awakening Center and Team Sponsorships, so... ETF.

>>46424293
Bait out a run for sea scorch scorch, or just use a click for 2 credits, more if they won't run it for some reason.

>>46383365
Cheap and Good (49 cards)
Haas-Bioroid: Stronger Together

-- Agenda (0 cards)
3 Accelerated Beta Test
1 Advanced Concept Hopper
2 Global Food Initiative
3 Project Vitruvius

-- Asset (0 cards)
3 Adonis Campaign
3 Brain-Taping Warehouse
3 Executive Boot Camp
3 Jackson Howard

-- ICE (0 cards)
3 Eli 1.0
2 Heimdall 1.0
3 Ichi 1.0
2 Markus 1.0
3 Turing
1 Vikram 1.0
3 Viktor 2.0

-- Operation (0 cards)
3 Biotic Labor
3 Hedge Fund

-- Upgrade (0 cards)
3 Ash 2X3ZB9CY
2 Surat City Grid

>>46424293
As soon as it's live it'll replace PAD campaign in my Gagarin - sure, 2 credits less to trash sucks, but the payout is better, and PAD is less targeted than, say, turtlebacks.

I'm actually more looking forward to Clone Suffrage, for mad Blue Sun money.

Though the power level difference between the Jinteki and HB cards vs Weyland's and NBN's is a bit shocking

>>46424358
Hmmm. It's really getting harder to a) have enough money for Sea Scorch Scorch and b) hard to ensure that the double Scorch will be a kill. Maybe a Gagarin with ALL the naked assets? Poke them down with the Jinteki one, money up and bait with Weyland, recur Scorch with HB? Even Encryption Protocol/Hostile Infrastructure?

>>46424419
So what, rez brain warehouse in a server on the runners turn to rez all ice in a server for 6 creds less?

on a scale from one to jank, how jank is using street peddler or artist colony to install an activist support on the corps turn, possible to Aesop or chopbot it later?

>>46424457
Probably don't need all of them, but the good thing about the runner hitting assets like Banking Group is that it means they're not hitting more critical things.
I don't think I'm ever short of money as Gagarin unless I get off to an unusually bad start.

That said, the deck doesn't go for the kill, so I can be left with nothing to do with the money.

>>46424597
Legitimately good in Hayley where you can use DaVinci too

Although Corporate Scandal makes it a little useless now

>>46424457
>>46424644
Not Enough Influence (54 cards)
Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon

-- Agenda (0 cards)
3 High-Risk Investment
3 New Construction
2 Oaktown Renovation
2 Project Atlas

-- Asset (0 cards)
3 Commercial Bankers Group
3 Executive Boot Camp
3 Jackson Howard
3 PAD Campaign
2 Psychic Field
2 Sensie Actors Union
2 Team Sponsorship

-- ICE (0 cards)
2 Assassin
3 Bailiff
2 Caduceus
3 Enigma
1 Fire Wall
2 Spiderweb
3 Tour Guide
1 Wormhole

-- Operation (0 cards)
3 Hedge Fund
1 Interns
3 Scorched Earth
2 SEA Source

There's not enough influence to squeeze everything in. The question is what's essential. I think the NBN one is very good for accelerating the draw so that you can find your kill pieces.

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>>46424597
>street peddler
Solid choice, and one I hadn't thought of
>artist colony
Probably a bit on the pricey side, even if you're using Fan Site. I'd reserve Artist Colony for really critical stuff

>>46424694
>>46424733
But just imagine accessing a news team, taking the -1, then turning that into a BP for nothing and 3 creds/1 card.

Alright fatguys and fatgals, what do you all think of Political Dealings?

It sounds interesting on the face of it, but I think we can push it a step futher: Installing things on the runners turn to 'fast' advance regularly in a way that can't be stopped by clot.

Thoughts?
Other options?
What' the best source of offturn draw?

>>46424931
Is it possible? Besides panic button.

>>46424931
Use Advanced Assembly Line at the end of the Runner's turn to install something, triggering NEH draw, triggering Daily Business Shows to find the agenda that triggers Political Dealings to score Astro in a way that Clot can't stop.

>>46425169
(49 cards)
Near-Earth Hub: Broadcast Center

-- Agenda (0 cards)
1 15 Minutes
3 AstroScript Pilot Program
1 Breaking News
3 Explode-a-palooza
3 Project Beale

-- Asset (0 cards)
3 Daily Business Show
3 Jackson Howard
2 Launch Campaign
3 Mumba Temple
2 Political Dealings
2 Sensie Actors Union
1 Team Sponsorship

-- ICE (0 cards)
2 Archangel
3 Data Raven
2 Eli 1.0
2 Enigma
2 Little Engine
2 Tollbooth
2 Wraparound

-- Operation (0 cards)
3 Hedge Fund
3 Sweeps Week

-- Upgrade (0 cards)
1 SanSan City Grid

>>46422188

I don't think so. Feedback Filter already offered you protection for a similar cost.

With Councilman you have to pay 5 to prevent the rez, 5 to trash for a total of 10 credits and a card.

Using Feedback you could just run, trash for 5, prevent the damage for 3, factoring the install cost of 2 that would cost you just as much, 10 credits, only you'd still have you Filter for later use.

Councilman is going to be useful for assets and upgrades that have relatively manageable rez+trash combination and whose rez happen to be critical the very moment it happens - basically Caprice is an optimum example.
If you get the councilman before Caprice is out, you can basically ensure she won't be a bother (though there's going to be some interesting mindgames). Or also just a big "Fuck you, no" to Howard.

Cards like SanSan are going to introduce interesting bluffs.

>>46424597

I'm thinking of installing Akshara Sareen similarly for Apocalypse turns...

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>>46425169
Neat, but a bit complex. Props for getting around clot though

If you're willing to risk agroplex (maybe using gentics pavilion) then Tennin can pull off some serious jank - agroplex draws in the start-of-turn phase, before the mandatory draw, and can thus be done before the Tennin advance, potentially allowing a 4/2 (or a 4.3) to be scored from nothing

>tfw my Sunny deck actually performed well during my kitchen table playing today
I kept getting all 3 multi-threaders, which helped a lot, and that feeling when you trash a security chip to give all your ice breakers +6 strength for an entire fucking run is amazing.

>>46425169
Wheels withing wheels runner.

>>46425130

Fisk (and his seminar). *cough*

Advanced Concept Hopper. Errand Boy. Lily Lockwell. Panic Button (as already mentioned).

Wondering about Shannon Claire jank.

So, what about a World Plaza/Mumbad Construction Co. deck in Gagarin. Purpose is to have one big server that will be used to rush at the beginning, then house the plaza and sensitive assets to just FA everything else late game...

I can feel the jank overtaking me.

Okay, was testing Banking Group, over PADs in Gagarin.

It was exactly how I expected it: it was less good in the early game, but after a while, as usual, the runner stopped running the remotes and the money mounted up. With Banking Group, that's more money.

Honestly I could do with a way to spend it, if it didn't really impinge on deck space

>>46427524
Ash? Corporate troubleshooter?

>>46428433
Corp troubleshooter might work

Currently experimenting with ice like Draco and tracers

>>46428433
Honestly, I use so little ice it barely matters, though I've yet to run into Councilfam or /pol/op

Archive Interface

Whenever you access cards in Archives, you may remove 1 card in Archives from the game, instead of accessing it.

Does it mean you don't access this specific card or you don't access archives ? Also, do they stack ?

>>46432150
Thinking this card is actually going to become kind of important in the new meta.

It means from all the cards in Archives you choose one to not access and remove it from the game.

>>46432699
so, they do stack ?

>>46432745
Yeah of course. Just like R&D and HQ Interfaces, go for it.

>>46432699
I still think they'd perform their role in a jackson museum heavy meta a whole lot easier if they weren't 3 to install.

>>46432150
Access about but the 1/2/3 you want to remove, great for Shock! so you don't get hit, Shi.Kye so you don't get stuck with the -1 and Museums, because fuck them.

>Build a anti-val deck by pure accident
>Build and anti-IG museum deck before it was a thing
Do I have some weird power of foresight?

>>46433417
3 to install is fine, the card literally takes cards out of the game. I already thought it was fine to include in a Noise deck with so many Jackson around. Museum just makes this a necessity.

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>>46433461
What are you working on now oh master of the cyberspace

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How do you capitalize your bad publicity as a Corp?

>>46435295

You don't so far, that the point of it.

We had a few posts about making use of it in a more positive way among previous threads.

I like the idea, but it's going to have to be carefully balanced. Reaching game-breaking levels with that requirement.

Incidentally, been running some Ireress a couple of weeks ago, and you know, in a meta where Yog.0 isn't omnipresent anymore, and (though that's probably more of a local thing) stealth is one the most commonly used solution to Code Gates, when not AI, it did a honest chunk of work for me.

>>46432827

I sometimes stacked a couple with that Kim deck I posted a while back. Recursion-abusing corps weren't smiling.

I still think three credits is a mouthful. But the card has gained a lot of value recently, makes me want to go back to that deck (though given how negative the reactions were to it, I probably won't, for casual play at the very least).

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>>46435295
The only way to actually capitalise on it I think is IRS, but that's pretty weak (though I wonder what it could do with Chum)

Still, you can mitigate it by having less assets to trash

>>46427524

Question: how widespread is Scrubber or even Paricia (card I've seen make a come back recently) in your local meta?

If not, I can understand results from your experiments... if it is, how much asset are you spamming that this is not considered a priority target?

>>46435936
My meta is Jinteki.net... so paricia and scrubber are still fairly common

As for how many assets... all of them.
But the gamewinners are MCC and quite often Smartfabrics, then Museum and Turtlebacks.
Pure cash is 3rd string, usually because I use GRNDL to boost me up to around 15-20.

My current deck's assets
Asset (25)
3 Commercial Bankers Group
2 Daily Business Show ●●
2 Encryption Protocol ●●
2 GRNDL Refinery
3 Jackson Howard ●●●
1 Lakshmi Smartfabrics ●●●
2 Mumba Temple ●●●●
2 Mumbad Construction Co.
2 Museum of History ●●●●
2 Public Support
1 Team Sponsorship ●
3 Turtlebacks ●●●

What does /anrg/ use to deal with Sentries when they aren't running stealth?

>>46437971
>inb4 Faust.

Mimic seems like the most obvious answer (therefore the more potentially treacherous)

From memory I'd say Femme Fatale must be my go to.

People don't like it, but I did enjoy Garrotte in the couple of decks I ran it with. Been a while though, current focus on multi sub is isn't auspicious for it.

>>46437971
Shrike's pretty boss, though it can be awkward with the boosts some times - 5 isn't a the best strength to deal with, but with Datasucker/Ice Carver/NRE it can be fine

>>46437971
Mostly I just run Faust plus Mimic. Mimic deals with all the small stuff and Faust eats anything bigger.

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Remember when us used to think reprinting this will fix the meta?

>>46438812

We did?

I liked the idea of the card being reprinted. I'm glad that it's here to be honest. But fixing the meta?

Is any one card able to do such a thing? Should it?

I've bought and played Netrunner a few years back. How crazy has the power creep been? Are the new cards much more powerful, or the strategies much different from what they were, or does the game still feels the same?

>>46438920
Power creep has been insane. We are in a death spiral of printing insanely overpowered cards to deal with other insanely overpowered cards.

The game feels like the YGO anime at this point with people just throwing shit on the table and shouting card names. RUN! RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!

>>46438913
Ya the argument was it was the perfect counter to The Andromeda Strain/All The Good Stuffy Andy.

>>46439073
Do they spout 10 minutes of dialogue for a single card yet?

>>46439107

Could have been true in a way... thing is other cards slowly pushed the meta to other venues anyway.

>>46438920

I think, the power creep issue is going to be one we're going to have to face soon.

Designers have been too circumspect on some respects (just ask any Weyland player) and sticking with original design ideas is going to demand for at least a small amount of power creep to make things work. No way around it. Apart from abandon the idea altogether (some people I guess will argue that's what should be done with advance-able ICE).

That being said, I don't think there's been that much power creep this far (there's been, but it remains manageable).

Thankfully, up to a point, some power issues when designer haven't been as careful as could be are going to be corrected by rotation... for people that enforce it. Giving one example, I do think going from HQ/R&D Interface to The Turning Wheel is a plus for the game. Same for the upcoming rotation of Howard.

But then we're left with the huge weight of core + deluxes on the game. And it's not going to be easy to address.

>Bunch of spy cameras and an unprotected/weakly protected R&D
I just scored 6 points because I knew what was on top of R&D, and in geist they are so fucking useful.

>>46439251
Ya it has really effected the timing of major events.
The Faust chants are the worst, my last Jinteki.net game the dude typed out his dumb intro in place of just the normal copy pasting it.

Was something like:
Player: O I call on Faust, master of demons, summoner of darkness, lord of death. Head my call and lay waste to the obstacles. I shell head your call and give my live in exchange for your power.

Faust's summoning script: IN THE NAME OF DARKNESS AND WITH THE POWERS OF YOUR INCANTATION I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED!

player: I bow to your greatness dark one, I beg you break this Ice Wall that is blocking my progress.

etc etc etc.
Took like 20 mins just to break the damn 1 str Ice Wall.

>>46439448
And then he fucking misclicks!
>Oh shit, I trash my corrorder, can i have a take back?

>trying hard to make Laramy work
>try stealth laramy because stealth is efficient anyways
>realize it's worse than Leela and Andromeda
>probably on the same level as stealth gabe

Why is Laramy so underpowered ?

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This is coming soon. Not a pure reprint but damn near close. Guess what color it will be!

>>46441899
I miss the old Netrunner logic of big walls out the outside to drain their money then nasty ICE on the inside that they most likely don't have the credits to deal with.

ANR seems to be some kind of reverse of that style of play for some reason.

>>46441941
How so? The order of the ICE is done by the player. Curtain Wall followed by Archer maybe? Inazuma Komainu most certainly.

>>46441899
Green.

or yellow idk i'm color blind

>>46441983
Well mostly people not just rush to drop ETR ICE on servers since most Runners will run naked early to poke at you.

Old Netrunner had many ICE that just about ended the game if the Runner hit them so it was to toss them out there early. Then mid game you tossed walls on top of them (the most costly ICE to break) to drain credits before they hit the deadly but cheap to break ICE.

In ANR there is little fear so people just run face long into subs not caring at all.

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>>46441899
Net Damage says Jinteki, the counter-type effect is pretty rare in modern Netrunner, but has been seen on 4 cards (Snoop, Data Raven, Viktor 2 and Mamba), and the cost, strength and type feels a bit Weyland-y, and the discount definitely does (whether they'd keep that is another matter)

If we do see something like it, I'd think Weyland or Jinteki.

So it's probably going to be in NBN, if it is re-imagined for ANR.

Or Neutral, like Assassin

>>46441899
Noisy icebreakers are so cool

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>>46442067
Pic related might help... but probably not that much.

At least insta-parasite is much less common than it used to be thanks to the MWL

>>46442329
Seriously, think about it. If the runner used a non-stealth icebreaker during this run, reduce the costs by 5.

>>46442405
Wasn't the point of that that Noisy breakers were more efficient though?
You trade in all the downsides of Noisy breakers for smashing through ice really well

>>46442577
The up side of Noisy breakers was that you can use non-recurring credits with them.
The down side was you LOSE all recurring/stealth credits when you use one.

Stealth was better when set up but if you wanted to get in NOW you used a nosy breaker.

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>>46442644
Ya look at this broken shit. Think if something like that got printed in ANR. It'd define Barrier breakers from there on out.

>>46442786
It might even corrode the meta.

>>46442786
Damn, at least in ONR it had a downside

>>46442786
..... thats corroder. straight up. Minus the noise mechanics.

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>>46445749

Since people have been talking about it, are runners of today just more aggressive than runners of old or is it truly the ice and its effects that have been nerfed?

>>46433487

They were actually 2, and got bumped up to 3 because it was released during the fuck anarchs period of criminal dominance.
Check the pre-release art.

>>46449078

Hell, if you check the card on cardgamedb, it's still the old two to install version they have.

>>46409876
That seems pretty good, if you can finish the game fast.

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>>46448774

The stakes were higher in ONR I would say. Just take a look online at ICE from the game, and you'll notice that face-checking could have much more dire consequences.

From memory I would say it made the players were more circumspect. For what trust you can give to memories that old.

>>46406631
My FLGS just had a Melee tournament, no First snows were seen. I think it is harder to slot than Wildfire Assault, worse stats for a very similar effect. It can also be saved from with dupes.

When Nasir's ID ability triggers, he loses any bad publicity credits, doesn't he? Because they're not treated as recurring credits, but as credits in your pool.

>>46457270
I'm about 90% sure that's the case

>>46457270

From the official FAQ:

>17 Nasir Meidan
>• Nasir loses any bad publicity credits he has when his ability resolves.

You get the bad publicity credits added to your pool when the run is initiated. Nasir's ability triggers after that.

>>46424293
There are some shenanigans you could do with blue sun by removing the ice before triggering the card. That feels dirty.

>>46458235

As already mentioned by anon: >>46387834

Endless Oversight AI + Curtain Wall does seem like cool jank.

STUPID idea of the day.

Power Disruption
Operation Transaction

Win X credits where X is the sum of the strengths of each runner's installed Icebreakers.

Weyland.

Nasir with Multithreader and Toolbox for all the recurring?

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>>46458681
Multi yes, Toolbox... probably not, it's pretty expensive and hard to use.

On the other hand, Nasir usually has a workshop or two, so yeah, go for it - just make a workshop/toolbox pun in the title.

>>46458394
That's pretty shit, unless the runner as Deusex, Atman or maybe Study Guide (a card which is awesome with Multithreader, incidentally)

>>46458810
What about Run Amok with Nasir? Seems like a fairly good option for him since he gets the credits for the ICE then it goes away.

>>46459033
A bit inf-heavy, but I could see it

>>46458810
>That's pretty shit

That's high variance. But mid-game add just Mimic + Faust and that's 5 creds for a click. 6 for BaBW.

Beats Hedge Fund. With a zero credit requirement, I think it could be interesting.

>>46459952
Hmm, 0 cost could be okay

>>46459952
Incidentally, Nasir with extra hand size, Faust, Levy, and Game Day is pretty damn awesome.

>>46460902
So are all the other Runners...

>>46460964
You don't understand. Nasir gets credits for encountering ICE, while uses cards to break the subs. It's a perfect synergy. He then uses all that cash to buy stuff off Personal Workshop/Artist Colony.

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Is there any proof of a faction using out of faction cards? Like a shaper card referencing Gabriel or something like that.

>>46462135
NOPE! Lore in this game is one of it's weakest points (outside of shit card design).

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>>46462135
Other than Neutrals, I don't think so.
Well, and corp cards which have runners' thoughts on the corps, their ice, and various other things

And g00ru, of course

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Are you hype for Mainframe?

>>46465663

Not so far, but we'll see ho good it is once it hits.

>>46465663
>that art of adam
sauce ?

>>46466126

Seems to me like Matt Zeilinger's original art for Adam.

Unreleased to the public so far as far as I know.

Quick: What's the dream turn 1 hand for your favorite deck?

>>46468642
The Supplier, Daily Cast, TriMaf, Drug Dealer, Special Order.

>>46468642
Scheherazade, Reflection, Cybsoft Macrodrive, Sure Gamble, Mass Install, Au Revoir, Au Revoir, Au Revoir, Snitch.

>>46470123

Why the Cybsoft of all things?

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>>46468642
The left one?

(sorry Kim)

>>46468642
Aesop's, Tech Writer, Cache, Diesel, Diesel.

>>46472809
One recurring credit to install the B&E suite is pretty good and can let you profit off Scheherazade.

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With Museum making milling yourself less of a risk, what do you think about using Power Shutdown against Faust and/or David?

>>46475573
When MWL was revealed I thought Rigshooter decks were going to have their day in the sun. Instead we got Kala Ghoda and Museum decks.
I'm still playing a rigshooter deck though, because trashing programs is FUN.

>>46476537
How do you deal with AI being that popular as a rigshooter ? I don't feel Swordsmen being useful because everyone runs a sentry breaker anyways.

>>46476677
I rigshoot the sentry breaker with Batty.
Of course, this will be no longer possible because Councilmen roaming the streets of Mumbad. So now I have to include a Contract Killer too (I was playing Liz Mills to trash their Wyldsides).

>>46476783
Just rez him early, if the polops aren't out

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>>46476883
Yeah, that's the other problem too.

Anyone got a wallpaper suitable high rez version of the "Kati's Delivery Service" image?

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>>46477608
How's this?
Also got sans Hellion, if you want

>>46477762
Hellion best

>>46383365
Rezzing a four layered server for only 3 creds felt pretty damn good.

>>46478763
Surat? Or just cheap ice

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>>46481269
I'm hype for this alt.

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Okay guys : design a card to make Laramy fisk great.

I'm thinking about something like "The first time the corp draws a card during your turn, draw a card."

>>46485562
That's pretty nice. How about:

The first time each turn you make a successful run, you may force the Corp to draw a card.

The first time each turn you draw a card, the Corp draws a card.

If you didn't draw a card this turn, draw a card when your turn ends.

>>46486322
>The first time each turn you make a successful run, you may force the Corp to draw a card.
This is just better than the ID so i don't think it will be printed.

>The first time each turn you draw a card, the Corp draws a card.
Nice, I like it.

>If you didn't draw a card this turn, draw a card when your turn ends.
Looks like Safety First, and doesn't especially works with Fisk.

>>46484069
Same.

>>46402097
I really wonder what's this agenda is up to.
Name implies that it's so utterly ciphered that Runner can only get only 2 Agendas out of it... But what does it do??

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>>46486636
I assume it's like Professor Xavier's Cerebro, the machine that let him enhance his telepathic powers and filter all the crap to focus on what's he looking for, only this applies to all the data NBN has on everyone and everything. If you manage to put 13 counters on it, it means you know everything you need to know to win.

>>46486322

A free-stealth-bit-chip that refills when the corp draws outside of their turn.

>>46485562
Virus
Trashed when purged.
The Corp discards down to his maximum hand size during your turn.

>>46488264
this does nothing tho

>>46488399
I was looking for a low impact effect, forcing a discard from the Corp because you're making him overdraw before his turn begin qualified.

A more impactful effect would be:
"The first time the Corp draws a card each turn, the Corp discards another card."