Sea Beggars Edition
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Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.
List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit
List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes
/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/
Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
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https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!s9xTTDpQ!CasEjRETeqZsJ5LOzYrJdg
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Ronin
http://www.mediafire.com/download/m8xke04pc3hne2k/Ronin.pdf
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!
1st of April in military history
1318 – Berwick-upon-Tweed is captured by the Scottish from the English.
1572 – In the Eighty Years' War, the Watergeuzen capture Brielle from the Spaniards, gaining the first foothold on land for what would become the Dutch Republic.
1625 – A combined Spanish and Portuguese fleet of 52 ships commences the recapture of Bahia from the Dutch during the Dutch–Portuguese War.
1865 – American Civil War: Battle of Five Forks. Union Army led by Philip Sheridan decisively defeated Confederate States Army led by George Pickett, leading to Breakthrough at Petersburg and Appomattox Campaign.
1893 – The rank of Chief Petty Officer in the United States Navy is established.
1908 – The Territorial Force (renamed Territorial Army in 1920) is formed as a volunteer reserve component of the British Army.
1918 – The Royal Air Force is created by the merger of the Royal Flying Corps and the Royal Naval Air Service.
1924 – The Royal Canadian Air Force is formed.
1937 – Spanish Civil War: Jaén, Spain is bombed by Nazi forces.
1939 – Spanish Civil War: Generalísimo Francisco Franco of the Spanish State announces the end of the Spanish Civil War, when the last of the Republican forces surrender.
1941 – A military coup in Iraq overthrows the regime of 'Abd al-Ilah and installs Rashid Ali al-Gaylani as Prime Minister.
1944 – Navigation errors lead to an accidental American bombing of the Swiss city of Schaffhausen.
1945 – World War II: Operation Iceberg: United States troops land on Okinawa in the last major campaign of the war.
1947 – The only mutiny in the history of the Royal New Zealand Navy begins.
1949 – Chinese Civil War: The Chinese Communist Party holds unsuccessful peace talks with the Nationalist Party in Beijing, after three years of fighting.
1969 – The Hawker Siddeley Harrier enters service with the Royal Air Force.
2009 – Croatia and Albania join NATO.
It is 444 years since the Capture of Brielle by the Watergeuzen (known in English as the "Sea Beggars). This marked a turning point in the uprising of the Low Countries against Spain in the Eighty Years' War. Militarily the success was minor as the port of Brielle was undefended, but it provided the first foothold on land for the rebels at a time when the rebellion was all but crushed, and it offered the sign for a new revolt throughout the Netherlands which led to the formation of the Dutch Republic.
The Watergeuzen were led by William van der Marck, Lord of Lumey, and by two of his captains, Willem Bloys van Treslong and Lenaert Jansz de Graeff. After they were expelled from England by Elizabeth I, they needed a place to shelter their 25 ships. As they sailed towards Brielle, they were surprised to find out that the Spanish garrison had left in order to deal with trouble in Utrecht. On the evening of April 1, the 600 men sacked the undefended port. As they were preparing to leave, one of the men said there was no reason they should leave where they were.
In August 1585, Brielle was one of the four Dutch towns that became an English possession by the Treaty of Nonsuch when Queen Elizabeth I received it as security of payment for 5000 soldiers used by the Dutch in their struggle against the Spanish. In 1617, these cities returned to the Netherlands.
Dutch students are taught a short rhyme to remember this event: "Op 1 april verloor Alva zijn bril," meaning "On April 1st, Alva lost his glasses," making a pun between bril, Dutch for 'glasses', and the name of the town, Brielle or Den Briel.
>>46375899
The Capture of Brielle is still celebrated by its inhabitants each year on the first of April. Festivities include a reenactment of the battle and with a tradition called kalknacht (chalk night) where during the night before the festivities begin in earnest the mostly adolescent participants use lime chalk to write slogans and draw pictures on windows. The kalknacht tradition is frowned upon by many and the police often fine anyone caught with chalk after latex paint was used by a small number of participants which caused damage to cars, streets and houses in 2002. The kalknacht origins lie in the actions of locals who painted chalk on the doors of those citizens and officials who were loyal to Spanish rule. By doing this they targeted those houses for the Watergeuzen to find all people who could resist the capture.
There is a frustrating lack of Ospreys on the subject of the Eighty Year's War, but an interested researcher can glean lots of relevant info from the following titles. It's a great period for pike-and-shot gamers.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z254cb18y7b2w49/Osprey+-+ELI+070+-+Elizabethan+Sea+Dogs+1560-1605.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6zjpu68z2cc8z6/Osprey+-+ELI+179+-+Pike+and+Shot+Tactics+1590-1660.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/94ar1t1a33l53k7/Osprey+-+MAA+481+-+Spanish+Tercios+1536-1704.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ivqinbnowwdcd34/Osprey+-+NVA+149+-+Tudor+Warships+%282%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ma69o71666fbnr9/Osprey+-+WAR+043+-+Matchlock+Musketeer+1588-1688.pdf
The Imperial Japanese Navy of the Russo-Japanese War (Osprey New Vanguard 232)
When the Imperial Japanese Navy destroyed Russia's battle fleet during the Russo-Japanese War, it marked the emergence of Japan as one of the world's major naval powers. Japan's navy had been built up over just two decades, with the IJN acquiring a fleet of modern foreign-built warships. Coupled with the IJN's leadership and high levels of training, this proved enough to destroy the fleet of one of the world's historic naval powers. This book explains in concise detail the IJN's fleet of 1905, from its battleships and armored cruisers to the torpedo boats that launched 'the first great torpedo attack in history,' and outlines the history of the naval campaign against the Russian fleet.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2kvp2v229g1uolm/Osprey+-+NVA+232+-+The+Imperial+Japanese+Navy+of+the+Russo-Japanese+War.pdf
How ragtag late war Fallschirmjager would be? From around Normandy up till Berlin. I'm painting a 1:72 force for a friend with minis from lots of different kits, some of them are not even FJs, but as far as I'm concerned, they'd use whatever they could, so some standard issue stahlhelms or greatcoats and other random stuff could be in order for them. Jackets will be painted in the FJ camo pattern (forgot its name), as well as trousers will be varied from camo, to Luftwaffe blue plus standard German green grey. Would this be absolutely disgusting, or it's plausible to a degree?
Note that sadly I can't really change it, and for my own FJ force I'll use only paratrooper figures, but I'm curious if this was even possible, or should we add just a pinch of imagination to make it work.
I've been reading the Osprey about the Condottiere and now I want to put a couple of mercenaries bands together for Chevauchee. Would the War of the Roses plastic sets be alright for such a venture?
>>46376421
They would be, wargames illustrated's mercenary issue(which was recentish) had a bit about an English group called the white company https://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/White_Company, check out the issue.
>>46376373
>How ragtag late war Fallschirmjager would be?
Very all the good quality troops were long since dead so it was new guys, also the german armed forced competed for supplies and had no problem using each others stuff, also late war falschirmjager were essentially infantry as the luftwaffe had been out for a good bit.
Does anyone have a PDF of Bolt Action's Duel in the Sun?
Sam Mustafa is having a sale on his website.
>>46381460
Linked to this,
"Rommel will be the next major HONOUR games release, most likely in early 2017."
>>46376421
>>46377037
You wouldn't be able to get away with using WotR minis for the White Company, but it would be fine for late-period Hundred Years War guys. Admittedly though, past 1400, the tactic had largely fallen out of use.
Hey guys; will Harpoon cover me for modern naval wargaming, or am I going to be topping out at late cold-war?
>>46382567
harpoon is great. very detailed, but great. There's a computer version you can grab to try it out. Harpoon: Commanders edition.
Should allow you to do any modern conflict, there's stats for most modern aircraft and vessel types iirc
>>46375946
NICE! good find
>>46382567
I think the edition we have (3rd) came out around 1990, so your at least good up to the Nineties. I'm nowhere near expert enough to know how much things have changed since but surely the basic systems and equipment would still be fine.
We've been on the hunt for Harpoon 4e for some time now; while the core rules and one of the annexes are around, the rest of the annexes can't be found, and I understand it's not playable without them. Hence the fallback to 3e.
>>46382685
I know there's a lot of RJW fans in this thread who have been looking forward to that one. Hopefully they release a companion volume for the Russian Navy sometime in the future.
>>46382821
>cargo ships in battle
what is this and how does it work
>>46383008
That's just from a naval wargaming blog (called Naval Gazing) with a guy showing size comparison of some models. But commercial shipping/civilian vessels would definitely play a role in modern naval games, like in convoy escort missions and piracy and so forth.
>>46376373
That's a lot more realistic than your only paras plan.
>>46377082
>>46383753
Thanks.
>>46381652
>"Rommel will be the next major HONOUR games release, most likely in early 2017."
I'm very curious about this, especially as his specialty (teaching and game writing) centers on the 18th-19th centuries. Mustafa is an inveterate system tinkerer, some of his rulesets I think are quite nice (LaSalle especially), even if he doesn't give a damn about unit frontage.
>>46387534
So /that's/ where 'Lebanon' got its title image from.
Know which conflict this is from?
Intriguing take on war by-the-by. It may try too hard at times, and trip every now and then, but it's good overall.
>>46387770
It's a CNN pic: "Ukrainian soldiers sit on an armored vehicle as they take up a position in a sunflower field near Donetsk, Ukraine, on Thursday, July 10 (2015)".
>>46387955
>"Ukrainian soldiers sit on an armored vehicle as they take up a propaganda photo-op position in a sunflower field near Donetsk, Ukraine, on Thursday, July 10 (2015)".
>>46388010
Why you think so?
>>46388040
Working from raw cynicism.
>>46388050
Well, it's maybe work.
>>46388040
>parking your armored vehicle in the middle of a sunflower field
I mean...
>>46388087
it's probably visible from orbit.
>>46388087
Fields literally everywhere here.
>>46381652
>>46387534
can't wait for info to start trickling out about rommel. I loved lasalle and blucher, and even if I didn't end up playing them enjoyed reading through maurice and longstreet.
>>46388125
Propaganda photo or not I hope Putin leaves you alone, anon.
>>46388225
>game named after a nazi
>excited for it
please go back to /pol/
>>46388386
Rommel wasn't a nazi.
>>46388393
Yes he was
>>46388393
Doesn't look like he has some question about nazi regime.
>>46388406
Er... no.
He wasn't.
>he never joined the Nazi Party.[47][48] He allegedly refused to permit his son to join the SS
>Rommel is regarded as having been a humane and professional officer.[4] Orders to kill Jewish soldiers, civilians and captured commandos were ignored.[5] Later in the war, Rommel was indirectly linked to the conspiracy to assassinate Adolf Hitler. Because Rommel was a national hero, Hitler desired to eliminate him quietly. He forced Rommel to commit suicide with a cyanide pill, in return for assurances that Rommel's family would not be persecuted following his death.
>>46388465
Ooops, wrong photo.
>>46388386
>Giving a shit about the name of game
Nice priorities mate.
>>46388469
He served in Wermacht?
>>46388469
>no source
Nice propoganda mate
>>46388087
I got some bad news about the Ukrainian army for you m80, its shit, mainly due to getting roughly zero funding since the end of the soviet union.
>>46388515
I'm not sure you even understand what that word means...
How can informing you that Rommel wasn't a member of the nazi party be propaganda?it can't
>>46388566
it is when you cant provide a source for your claims
>>46388579
>Lewin, Ronald (1998) [1968]. Rommel As Military Commander. New York: B&N Books. ISBN 978-0-7607-0861-3.
>Butler, Daniel Allen (2015). Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel. Havertown, PA; Oxford: Casemate. ISBN 978-1-61200-297-2.
>Fraser, David (1993). Knight's Cross: A Life of Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. New York: HarperCollins. ISBN 978-0-06-018222-9.
>>46388566
>Rommel wasn't a member of the nazi party
Doesn't matter. He served in wehrmacht and even was a high rank officer, so he is nazi as fuck.
>>46388579
2 seconds on google.com will turn up literately dozens of creditable sources, all of which claim he was never a Nazi. Open any history text with more than 1 paragraph on the man and you will find the same information.
>>46388618
Wehrmacht is simply the german army. They existed long before, and long after the nazi party.
Did you know that naziism was quite popular at that time? there were nazi parties in the US, Britain, many other places.
This is some adolescent tier shit, yelling "oh fuck nazi's" when people are trying to discuss historical wargames. Of course there are games named after nazis. nazi's are a big part of WW2. and here we discuss WW2 a lot, so feel free to take your leave, or suck it up and post constructively
Well FUCK
I bought some Italian paras because my FLGS was having a sale. 25% off all Bolt action. Warlord's website said their paras could be used for North Africa but upon opening the box i noticed they're pretty much all wearingprobably dolce and gabanaturtle necks and other things that are not typically considered great desert attire. Am i being the rivet counting sperglord or should i be able to hide this somewhat with the paintjob?
>>46388644
>Wehrmacht is simply the german army. They existed long before, and long after the nazi party.
And this is /hwg/? Really?
>>46388681
this gentlemen... is a troll
>>46388618
Again, you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what words mean or on the history of what we are discussing here.
If you'd like to learn, I posted the references you asked for and Google is of course a vast resource.
If you're just here to shitpost, you probably won't get much satisfaction from a bunch of history enthusiasts.
>>46388709
thats a different guy
I'm
>>46388579
>>46388515
>>46388406
>>46388386
and you pleasantly proved me wrong, im pleased a non nazi was so prominent in WW2 germany
>>46388678
It's not always hot in the desert anon, especially during the winter rains, at night, or in the Tunisian highlands. It's striking sometimes to see guys wearing sweaters and woollen coats in photos from the desert campaign. So I think you're fine.
Anyone know any companies that make good quality 15mm Samurai? Looking to make a few armies for DBA, maybe DBX
Also, anyone play Brother Against Brother?
>>46388709
This "sources" saying that Rommel doesn't served in wehrmacht? I'm just curious.
>>46388734
That's what i thought too actually. I know the desert, can actually get near freezing at night with wind chill. Good to know. Time to get painting :3
>>46388719
As always, the truth is probably more complicated than the histories.
You don't get to be a legendary field marshal for a belligerent superpower by being a nice guy.
>>46388804
No, you get it by being competent
>>46389239
Nah, this is more complicated than you thinking. It's working in case of Rommel though.
>what should be a discussion of how one of the best known wargames writers of now will do with rules set in ww2 is instead "le naziman /pol/ memes"
It was likely going to be a German general in the same way Longstreet is named after a Confederate general, Sam just likes that sort of this.
like >>46388225 this guy I'm interested to see what sort of game Rommel would be, even if I don't have any ww2 stuff at the moment. I would presume it would be a major deviation from his typical 1 base fits all approach from GA, Maurice, Might and Reason, Blucher and Aurelian (clearly a style he likes), because I just can't see that working for a ww2 game.
>>46389295
Sam is a racist? good to know
>>46389327
>If you don't name your Civil War game after a Union general you are a racist
Gee we sure do like politicizing our wargame here don't we.
Do you think the person who plays as the CSA (and surely there must be one in each game?) is a racist too?
>>46389295
Does someone discussing games here?
Just don't reply to the fucking troll.
>>46389327
How the fuck is that racist? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
>>46389386
The thing is, I think the idea of "wanting to play as the nazis/CSA/insert other 'badguys'" means you agree with their political ideals is a surprisingly common sentiment, although mostly an opinion held by non gamers I think.
>>46389295
>because I just can't see that working for a ww2 game
Never underestimate a writer's/gamer's (same thing) willingness to doggedly stick to a single core system for everything rather than write something more fitting.
I'm gonna point at all the Warmaster derivatives for one, especially the blitzkrieg/cold war/future war Commander series.
Centurion in sunflowers unrelated.
>>46388737
>Also, anyone play Brother Against Brother?
Shortly after this came out, a friend at the university club I was a part of ran a game. Obviously it's been a long time and it was just the one experience, but I do recall things not going very well. The biggest issue involved movement, and that there was a loophole in the rules which could see minis virtually teleporting across the board as long as they were in 12" of their 'squad leader'. I remember the feeling it was a little too freeform. Now all that being said, it obviously didn't stop it becoming an extremely popular title in its time, and even getting a French & Indian Wars expansion. We do have it in our folder, if you don't already have a copy. I would think it's been superseded by other titles now; like if I were to run an ACW game of this size today I think I'd rather use TFL's Terrible Sharp Sword.
>>46389425
>I'm gonna point at all the Warmaster derivatives for one, especially the blitzkrieg/cold war/future war Commander series.
It boggles the mind that they went with Warmaster instead of Epic Armageddons ruleset somedays. That ruleset is crying out for a WW2 conversion and is EASILY one of, if not THE BEST ruleset GW ever did.
So, I recently got a "10 pounds off any item" code from Warlords website and decided to go and get the US Marines box, and I then realised I also have had an old Italeri M4 Sherman unbuilt in my room since 2014.
So with regards to Bolt-Action, what sort of points limit is usual in that game? I've been tinkering in EasyArmy, and the most points I can physically squeeze out of 30 marines and a Sherman is 975. Is this okay?
>>46389502
Seconded at full force in every hole simultaneously.
Though I have come across someone using it for moderns stuff but not really any info for doing that.
>>46388386
>Longstreet
FUCKING /POL/ AND THEIR SLAVE-OWNER GAMES!
>>46388719
Hey buddy, could I give you some advise, read up on the thing you seem to have a problem with instead of immideatly attacking somebody. We try to keep things civil around here.
>>46389721
>Somebody has a problem with nazi's
> Imma be dumb and post the nazi fleet
I have the english fleet aswellNelson Class is the cutest battleship
>>46389732
dutchfag?
>>46389912
Dutchfag indeed
>>46388719
Nazi Germany definitely tried to paint him as a Nazi, but he hated them. He literally had faith in the Wehrmacht's professionalism but refused to kill PoW's, at one point literally giving 4000 polish soldiers over to the Italians because he knew they would be treated justly.
Rommel was a fuckin good bloke, there was a reason all the Allied commanders respected him. That and he was a bloody good general.
>>46390105
>but he hated them
So why he served them?
>>46390117
Because he hated the Nazi party. Not Germany or the Wehrmacht.
Currently sitting under my kotatsu. Comfy as. Reading about /hwg/ and listening to classical music radio.
Nearly finished my WW2 desert village. Started sticking together Bolt Action figures.
I think I need some 1 player rules for using my 6mm. Though some chan/thread based gaming would be nice right now. Did anything ever come of that rules idea for asynchronous posting and wargaming here?
>>46390117
>>46390129
What I mean to say is he justified serving them for the cause of Germany and the Wehrmacht, rather then the cause of the Nazi party. Plus he was already a national hero and when the leader of your country asks you to lead his personal bodyguard throughout the first stage of the war you can't exactly say no.
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>>46389954
Some of the Dutch Navy in WWII were pretty badass, antiquated ships and all. Pic related. De Ruyter was actually a pretty sexy looking if goofy designed ship.
>>46390105
There was also the order that went down from Hitler to kill any captured commandos. Rommel just pitched it in the fire and basically went "what order?"
>>46390129
>Not Germany or the Wehrmacht.
Nazi German and nazi army respectively. You can't separate government and country, because it's same shit.
>>46390152
Rad dude. Theres stories of him flying in a Observers plane and radioing down to his men something along the lines of 'don't make me come down there' if they weren't following orders quite the way he wanted
>>46390178
>man is in the army
>a new government comes to power
Yeah people should retire their careers when this happens.
Government and country are NOT the same thing, for example in my countries latest elections I voted for a party which does not currently govern the country, I am not a supporter of the current governing party, and yet I still support my country.
Stop being a cunt just because you are anonymous on the internet.
>>46390210
>anonymous on the internet
we're not anonymous anymore
>>46390184
My favorite story of him involves the Africa campaign, and his command vehicle. He was using a captured British command van (I think an AEC) and at one point he and his staff took a wrong turn somewhere and wound up in a British field hospital. None of the British recognized him right off, and they gave him a tour of the hospital. Some of his own wounded were there and they recognized him and one or two tried to salute. At that point, they decided it was time to not push their luck any more and get the fuck out.
>>46390178
Fuck man. I expected better from /hwg/. The Wehrmacht was given a lot of autonomy because it was a remnant of the aristocratic structure of Prussia.
And for your other point, >>46390210
>>46390210
>Yeah people should retire their careers when this happens.
Exactly. But instead he make career in new nazi army. Real rebel.
>>46390243
>implying you can't rebel from a position of power
If anything it made it easier. The German High Command often was forced by Hitler to let Rommel get away with disobeying orders because Hitler liked Rommel.
>>46390235
Absolute gold. Have you read Infantrie Greif Ans (Infantry Attacks)? Some really interesting reading of his early campaigns, mainly in Italy when he served in WWI, but includes development of Blitzkrieg theory and first hand accounts of his exploits.
>>46390242
>>46390255
If you playing for nazi, it's don't make you nazi, because it's only game. But in real life it's working slightly different.
>>46390243
Fuck off Sharon.
No one said Rommel was a rebel, he certainly wasn't but there's a big grey area between active rebellion and active support.
Rommel joined the army at 18 years old, it was his only career and all he knew. Stop pretending like if you were in his shoes you would have done anything but continue to be a career soldier, you wouldn't have killed Hitler yourself or any of that dumb shit.
>>46390289
No, I might have to give it a go though. I do remember the bio I read of him discussing how he used mobility and members of his unit toting around lmg's to capture a significantly larger Italian unit. I remember it was really interesting reading. Wish I could remember the name of the book, but it's been at least a good 15 years since I read it to write a history report for school.
>>46390316
>you wouldn't have killed Hitler yourself
At least Rommel tried to
>>46390297
Literally stop being retarded. Does Obama being President mean everyone agrees with his politics/ cares about his politics.
Let alone actively works against them.
what with all those weird names? april fools?
>>46390357
yeah.
>>46390117
Because he was a professional officer. Thats what a professional officer of a country does: He serves, no matter who the ruler is.
>>46390339
Rommel was never part of that plot. His name was floated by the conspirators as someone who wasn't pants on head retarded who could lead the country to a negotiated surrender afterwards.
>>46390357
spot on, tommie
>>46390336
Thats the one and same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanterie_Greift_An
>>46390235
That was a hospital of the 2nd NZEF, as it happens. I've met a couple of old-timers who claimed to have been there. It was around the time of 1st Alamein. There are a number of stories the NZEF had about him, probably apocryphal, but it showed how much he loomed in their imagination. Two unsourced quotes he's supposed to have said:
>If I had to take Hell, I would use the Australians to take it and the New Zealanders to hold it.
>If I'd had one division of Maori, I would have taken the canal in a week. If I'd had three, I'd have taken Baghdad.
After the battle of Alam el Halfa the CO of our 6th Brigade, George Clifton, was captured and brought before the Desert Fox. There are varying accounts of their conversation, but apparently Rommel was unsure why Kiwis were fighting on the other side of the world, allegedly asking "Are you in it for the sport?". Clifton explained to him that the Commonwealth was a family and if you attacked one then you attacked all.
I always found it confusing that there was a Polish general called Rommel in the 1939 campaign too, he was apparently a distant relative.
>>46390178
Read some history books child. The world isn't black and white.
>>46390368
This.
He supported removing Hitler from power, but not killing him.
>>46390243
>Real rebel.
Maybe he wasn't a rebel? Maybe he was just that: A soldier.
>>46390339
He didn't. All he did was to keep silent about any plans he might have heard. He was to professional to conspire with traitors.
>>46390344
>everyone
If they worked/served in some government agencies/departments/whatever they at least doesn't questionable his politics.
>>46390365
>>46390394
And it's really deserves respect, but this doesn't make him not a nazi.
>>46390414
I'm saying that just because a country has a particular leader or is governed by a particular power structure, doesn't mean that the entire country agrees. Its just in the case of Nazi Germany, it was illegal to speak out against it. So people went on with their normal lives.
>>46390414
>but this doesn't make him not a nazi.
So if he was a nazi, why didn't he join the NSDAP like many other Wehrmacht officers did?
Why didn't he join the SS? A guy with his name and fame could have risen to immense influence had he switched over to the Waffen SS in 42 or something.
>>46390357
Oddly enough it was actually a feature on /b/ at least some years back, then it was the unique poster id codes (only valid in a single thread) that did the same without names but made it so you could see who was samefagging.
>>46390377
As a kiwi this makes me happy
>>46390462
the names aren't permanent. You dont keep the same between posts I think.
>>46390414
>EVERY US SOLDIER/MEMBER OF GOVERNMENT WAS IN FAVOUR OF THE IRAQ WAR
play arecord you maniac
>>46390466
As an Australian, it makes me happy too.
>>46390435
Government was the country. You can't separate them.
>>46390452
So if doesn't a nazi, so why he just don't run in Switzerland?
>>46390470
Because it's april fools, refresh the page.
>>46390505
>refresh the page
>this layout
>>46390505
>So if doesn't a nazi, so why he just don't run in Switzerland?
So if he was such a good Nazi why did Hitler order him to kill himself for treachery against Hitler and the Nazi party?
The world isn't as black and white as you are making it. No one thought the Nazi party was going to be as bad as it was at the beginning, and once it became apparent how bad it was Rommel got himself so linked to the Wehrmacht's anti Nazi movement that he was forced to commit suicide.
People don't just up and leave their country when new governments take charge because, shockingly, you CAN separate government and country (you may notice a country called Germany still existing for example, but not the Nazi government)
>>46390505
>You can't separate them.
You can, and you should if you are interested in serious discussions.
>so why he just don't run in Switzerland?
For what reason? He was an officer. Back then there was a code of honor. Officers don't run away to Switzerland if a guy with a funny mustache gets elected as Chancellor.
Nobody knew in 1933 for how long the Nazi government would last so why risk your honor, the safety of your family because of a government that might be in power for a few month like many before it in the time between 1918 and 1933?
>>46390505
Look, Germany is hard to understand. But nationalism for Germany came in two waves, first wave, which was the lead up to WW1, and second wave, which was Nazism. Members of the first wave weren't really compatible with the second wave, but still managed to fit in easily enough because the core values were the same. Germany having economic, social and military strength over the other European powers of the time. So the country was made up by the people, whose ideals weren't going to be achieved any other way then Nazism, as well as people who saw Nazism as paramount and followed the indoctrination without any true understanding of what it was like beforehand.
>>46388681
Go back to /his/, and feel bad about yourself.
>>46390297
>Sheri Moon
Holy crap!
>>46389327
Back to the unholy trinity of /pol/-/his/-reddit or whichever godforsaken hellhole you crawled out to shitpost here.
>>46390566
>>46390563
Key lads, i'm going back to my first thesis: he served in Wermacht --> wermacht was a nazi army --> so he's a nazi. It's not making him good or bad, because it's all relative, it's just making him a nazi.
>>46390595
You know what meant first character in /hwg/?
>>46390528
Oh wow
>still replying to the shitposter
>>46390528
God! No! Don't!
![1407989574557[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/KaFnIZ5.gif "1407989574557[1].gif")
>mfw we /his/ now
>>46390648
I was taught by a guy called Martin Patrick.
Can't wait for this 1st April shit to end.
>implying /pol/-/his/-/reddit shit is related to 1st April
>>46390648
>wermacht was a nazi army
No. It was the german army of that time. He served in the Reichswehr before that and it was his Job. Only because Reichswehr changed its name to Wehrmacht doesn't mean that every member went full nazi out of the sudden.
The SS (specifically the Waffen SS) was your "nazi army. And within the SS there were cases of people being member for prestige/personal gain/job oppurtunities or simply because of the draft forced them into a wss unit instead of pure ideological reasons.
>>46390648
>he served in Wermacht --> wermacht was a nazi army --> so he's a nazi.
Your world seems to be a rather simple one.
>>46390672
At least it's more or less just one guy.
Easy to spot by the broken English.
>>46390369
Meh, I like them.
>>46390648
>You know what meant first character in /hwg/?
History, which means we're not running around calling everyone a Nazi who served in the German army from 1933 to 1945, faggot.
>>46390606
What's the problem, Cecil?
Oh look. 1945, Okinawa: 60,000 U.S. soldiers and Marines land.
>>46390666
You know we all just want to talk about the shit we're interested in, any excuse will do. But I'm actually done now. Bored of being on the same topic. Anyone Sydney-centric who plays hwg's?
>>46390729
Marines land, silence. They movie cautiously to the heart of the island, when suddenly a battalion of Japs appear from seemingly nowhere shouting "SUPPLIES"!
>>46375875
>United States troops land on Okinawa in the last major campaign of the war.
Manchuria doesn't count as a major campaign?
>>46390691
>It was the german army of that time.
True. But what common name for the german was in 1933 to 1945?
>>46390711
>Easy to spot by the broken English.
Well, "Cтapaниe и тpyд cвoe вoзьмyт", so sorry for my english.
But i'm done, i can't make my opinion supperior to Liddell Hart opinion.
>>46390729
Couple of significant /hwg/ anniversaries this month; 270 years since Culloden on the 16th, centenary of the Easter Rising on the 24th.
>>46390648
>Key lads, i'm going back to my first thesis: he served in Wermacht --> wermacht was a nazi army --> so he's a nazi.
Go on then. So far your proof that he was a Nazi is that you think so.
Lets make it about me if you want, I am employed by my local council. I voted Labour in the local elections (and in the general elections). The Conservatives won both. I didn't quit my job. Am I now a Conservative?
>>46390769
Heh I just looked up the Wikipedia article on the Soviet invasion of Manchuria and it does describe it as "the last campaign of the Second World War". So there we go.
>>46390790
>>46390435
>>46390344
It's not worth the effort friend
>>46390771
>But what common name for the german was in 1933 to 1945?
Just because uneducated people use terms like nazi for simplification of complicated political matters these simplified terms aren't correct in 100% of the cases. Yes, people talk about "nazi germany". No, not everybody back then was really a nazi. Even common knowledge should tell you that much.
No go ahead and read the fucking wiki article about Rommel and look for proofs of his "nazism", i'm getting tired of this.
>>46382660
>>46382821
Thanks, guys. So there's a 4e that might cover me? What other options exist for modern-navals?
>>46390837
>No go ahead and read the fucking wiki article about Rommel and look for proofs of his "nazism", i'm getting tired of this.
Wiki have whole chapter about this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel#Rommel_myth
>>46390749
top bants lynda
>>46390881
>Thanks, guys. So there's a 4e that might cover me?
Yes, I'm afraid I don't have a copy to hand though. There are copies being sold/traded on BGG.
>What other options exist for modern-navals?
If you can handle some meaty hex-and-chit, there's the indepth Fleet Series games:
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
Minis-wise there's Surface Battlegroup, which I've only heard about in passing. Or you could look at PDF related, which is ultralite - perhaps a little too much so, but undoubtedly good for an intro game.
What base should I use for single based 15mm infantry?
>>46391031
Around 20mm or 18mm I'd say.
>>46391031
Small coins or washers work pretty well.
>>46390749
I chuckled, good sir.
>>46391031
I use 1p coins myself.
>>46390881
>>46390990
>Yes, I'm afraid I don't have a copy to hand though.
Check that, I do have the core rules, Annex A covering ships, and Annex B covering aircraft. The problem is we're missing Annexes C to S, which have all the other data. At any rate, there's a staggering amount of info here for the modern naval wargamer.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/h2h0gacu5cpaf/Harpoon_4_(missing_annexes)
>>46390883
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel#Rommel_myth
>In fact, Rommel's life story and his changing relationship with the Nazi leadership is more complex than is conveyed in any post-war myth
Well, problem solved i guess.
For those that are interested Billy Bones is back, and the paper minis are pay what you want
http://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/2752/Billy-Bones-Workshop/subcategory/25389_25397/Paper-Miniatures
Do you guys have any advice or tips for building terrain in 6mm.
6mm modern to be precise.
>>46393644
To be honest, buy it. For buildings anyway.
>>46388386
Piss off.
>>46395480
>Tank nearly runs over engineer working on bridge
>Sorely disappointed when bridge does not collapse.
>>46396424
>When a webm you made one year ago and posted only once on /k/ finds its way to /hwg/
>want to downlaod a folder
>have to have account for that :^)
>get account
>oh, have to pay us money for that :^)
Is it really to much for me to ask that I can download them in a way that wont take me an hour of individually downloading each fucking file, Mediafire?
>>46396823
It returned like the majestic salmon
>>46393644
Its pretty easy to make durka durka buildings.
http://www.matakishi.com/makingdesertbuildings.htm
Something along the lines of that shouldn't be too hard to DIY. Obviously you would need to downscale and to do that probably a thinner material would be much better.
>>46399178
What rules? Also keep us updated on how the game goes?
>>46399420
I somewhat doubt that is a game-in-progress.
>>46401161
Yes I suspected so, but on the offchance that it was.
>>46397318
Got any more?are these names random every time?
>>46391128
>Annexes C to S
How many fucking charts does one game need? What's in C to S?
>>46403248
I'd imagine unit stats and unit configurations. Which generally is the bulk of any game.
>>46390135
Are you in Japan? If you're in Tokyo, instead of solo gaming, why don't you bring your stuff to the West Tokyo Wargamers meets?
Is there a program out there to make TOEs? Preferably with the ability to put pictures in and modify it.
>>46404976
Wait what?
Other wargamers in Japan? I'm between Australia and Ibaraki these days. Good to know there is a community. I didn't think Japan had a wargaming community. It seems like a thoroughly Caucasian past-timewilling to share LINE?
>>46406891
Where in Straya? I'm an American who's just moved to Melbourne, looking for some new gaming mates.
>>46407178
Brisbane sorry
but the Bolt Action scene is huge in Melbourne. Even if you don't play that they'd be a good place to start. I think half the articles on wwpd are by aussies
Hey guys, I'm in the process of converting a dark age viking skirmish game (Age of Blood) into an ancient greek piracy game. In the base game, your warband can gain renown by visiting/raiding far off and legendary places like Iceland, Vinland and Greenland and I'm trying to think up some parallels for the ancient greek world.
I'm thinking perhaps Briton might be one such location, does anyone else have any ideas?
>>46403248
They cover stuff like radio, missiles, radar, ECM, targeting systems, and so on.
>>46393605
That's great. If the anon who shared their ECW paper minis is around, it would be super if they posted the full link for their ACW ones sometime.
>>46406891
Well, we're a thoroughly Caucasian group...I've found that the Japanese players are more into Warhammer/40k/LotR and Warmachine.
Sure, my line ID isalpharius
>>46390771
Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist, who was in the US Marine Corps in the 50s. America is a capitalist democracy. That does not mean Oswald was a capitalist democrat.
All this being said, membership or no, I do think people tend to dramatically understate how accepted and well-liked the Nazi party was (for the most part) in Germany, especially in the Heer. "Wehrmacht" gets thrown around a lot, but remember the Luftwaffe (very Nazi) and the Kriegsmarine (very Nazi toward the top, much less so lower down) are part of the Wehrmacht as much as the Heer (army.)
Plus, for every Rommel or Guderian who seem to have disliked the party, there was a Model or a Jodl who was all up in that shit.
>>46408376
>still replying to the retarded shitposter over twelve hours later
>>46408407
Sorry, bored at work and just now reading the thread. For real though, going overly Wehraboo is just as bad as being a Molotovposter.
>>46406891
>>46408090
Well I'm certainly no expert, especially compared to you gamers who actually live in Japan, but I've always understood there was a small but strong hex-and-chit scene there. I know a number of titles have been exclusively released for that market. The Fleet Series games we have are actually translated from Japanese versions of VG's original games. There's a Japanese version of Command Magazine - originally based on the old XTR mag of that name - which is apparently like their answer to Strategy & Tactics.
https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Command_Magazine_Japan
>>46408376
Oswald too strange to used he's like example. But i just don't understand why i can't say that Rommel was a nazi, why not? Personal feelings doesn't matter.
>>46408554
>Personal feelings doesn't matter.
You can say whatever you want, but if it's bullshit and get called out on it as it's factually wrong, shit happens. Personal feelings doesn't matter.
>>46375817
anyone have ospreys Roman Centurions 753-31 BC? I need it for...reasons...
>>46408596
>if it's bullshit
Maybe.
>factually wrong
Facts? Where?
>>46408616
>Facts? Where?
Oh. So you're in write-only mode.
>>46408554
You're right, he's kind of a weird case, just what popped into my mind immediately.
>>46408611
I have pretty much every Osprey you could name, and if I don't, I know several places to find them; so anons should never hestitate to ask if you're looking for a particular title.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/bsry4t1d2vqhkth/Osprey+-+MAA+470+-+Roman+Centurions+753-31+BC.pdf
>>46408626
Well, his campaign list on my side.
>>46408705
Wow, such a huge discovery! I mean, he was ACTUALLY at Tobruk? Gee, he must've been a Nazi then! Tell me, have you seen Indiana Jones and the Big Blinky Jewish Box? I saw a dude in there with a cap JUST LIKE HIS, and Jones said he hates Nazis somewhere in the movie, so he can't be anything else but a Nazi.
Tell me Elisa, are you from the US by any chance? As that would explain that sheer amount of dumb faggotry that's coming from your direction.
>>46408376
wasn't there a quote from Hitler commenting on how his airforce was national socialist, his navy catholic and his army protestant?
>>46408516
To be honest, I don't really know what's going on outside of the miniatures wargaming scene.
I'll add an anecdote that backs up what you're saying though - at every club meetup recently there's been three or four Japanese guys and an American who get together and play ASL.
>>46408742
not to mention the fact that even in the SS there weren't all hardcore, two regiments were made up of veterans of the first world war/interwar years who werent fanatical in the slightest, they often lost out in terms of new equipment to the more 'politically aligned' units
>>46408729
Nice to see that the spirit of rational and evenhanded discourse is alive and well.
>>46408788
I always thought it was funny that some of the more fanatical units were foreign fascist uni6s, like the French Charlemagne division. I mean, it makes sense, of course, there were plenty of hardcover fascists and communists alike all over Europe, just interesting to picture Frenchmen and Belgians fighting fanatically for fascism in Russua.
>>46408849
When faced with such close-minded faggotry, sarcasm is the best weapon.
>>46408788
>not to mention the fact that even in the SS there weren't all hardcore
Which part of? German, some foreigner units, mixed units like Prinz Eugen, or wild units like RONA?
>>46408896
And apparently slinging nationalist insults for no reason.
Whatever, man. You could always use SOURCES, like all the ones talking about Rommel's troubles with the Party, or any of the huge number of books written that talk about his wildly shifting political situation as the war went on and relationship with Hitler (similar to a lot of the tank leaders like Guderian or Manstein), where Hitler tended to love them because he loved the armored divisions, but they were often not big fans of the political leadership.
Or just refer to Panzer General as a good reference for how most of them seem to have felt about all of it, which seems to generally be a. don't look a gift horse in the mouth, Germany's finally doing well again, b. it's probably wise to just avoid talking about politics, your mouth can get you in a lot of shit if the wrong person hears the wrong opinion, and c. why are you talking about politics anyway, we have a job to do, focus on the mission.
Or, be a dick.
>>46408987
All of these have been mentioned before. If that fucker refuses to read them, what the fuck can I do?
>>46409064
Not be a dick.
I swear to fuck TMP is only down when I need it...
So, individually based 1:72 minis on 25mm round bases, it doesn't break the rules, rite? I have a bunch of minis on 20mm washers I plan to rebase for 25mm rounds as it looks better.
>>46407691
Dude, its ancient Greece. There's any number of mythological islands and coastlines to raid. If you're worried about historicity though, then you probably want down the nile, scythia and Armenia off the black sea, carthage and gaul. Maybe britain, but then that may not be historical
>>46409700
Ah, TMP, I'd forgotten about them.
At the risk of another thread derail, whatever happened out of the (was it Filipina?) transgender moderator sweatshop drama?
Seriously guys, is there a program out there to easily make nice neat TOEs?
>>46410634
There might be something for Flames of War/Bolt Action or similar, but otherwise I'm guessing you'd have to do it by hand. At least that way you could make it look exactly how you like. If you had a few basic tools on hand to work from, like cut/pasting from previous ones, it would make things easier. Maybe Juniorgeneral could help. What sort of thing did you have in mind? Something figurative like pic related, or more of a NATO-symbols type style?
>>46408877
They were also there at the final defense of Berlin since they were quite literally damned; their countries were never going to accept them back so death or a fanatical belief in final victory was all they had.
>>46408877
Yes, something interesting. Many saw bolshevism as a big threat. The propaganda helped shape that image and I know here in Belgium the church was too blame too. Many men joined for their church and people.
>>46410731
>Many saw bolshevism as a big threat
Well it was a huge legitimate threat in that period.
What does pike and shot mean
>>46410909
sharp point weapon + gunpowder warfare
>>46410912
i dont get it
>>46410909
Essentially, the period between about 1500-1700, when pike and muskets were represented on the field in equal numbers. At the start of the period it was about 3/4 pikes to 1/4 muskets as the latter were not particularly effective, by around 1600 it evened out, then at the end around 1700 it was 1/4 pikes and 3/4 muskets as the former were no longer of much use. It's the bridge between the medieval era and the "black powder" era.
>>46410937
I didn't know this was a thing at all. Seems really cool mix, how do the games play out?
>>46409908
>scythia and Armenia off the black sea
That's a good one, golden fleece and all. Definitely gonna add that to raidable locations. Carthage is definitely another as well.
>Maybe britain, but then that may not be historical
I'm pretty sure there's evidence that the Phoenicians traded there at some point and I'm sure I read something about one of the ancient greek writers talking about britain.
>>46410957
Pretty linear, definitely bloody; you're trying to close with the pikes while also trying not to get shot to pieces. Cavalry tends to be hugely important because they were just getting access to basic firearms themselves, so guys like reiters and carbineers were coming into their own. It's really popular in wargaming; especially the Thirty Year's War and the English Civil War (the 1600s were the golden age for this kind of thing). There's a really good Osprey on the subject if you want a more informed opinion:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6zjpu68z2cc8z6/Osprey+-+ELI+179+-+Pike+and+Shot+Tactics+1590-1660.pdf
>>46410957
Similar to Napoleonics in my experience, but with more pointy sticks.
Generally the cavalry fight each other for dominance while infantry advances, if the infantry isn't stuck in my the time the cavalry has finished dancing around the cav force infantry into a defensive formation where they are more effectively shot by the open formation and/or artillery allowing a flank to be compromised.
>>46410998
>I'm pretty sure there's evidence that the Phoenicians traded there at some point and I'm sure I read something about one of the ancient greek writers talking about britain.
There's an ongoing squabble between scholars in that field, about whether the "Tin Islands" the Phoencians speak of were England (particularly the Cornish corner which has heaps of tin), or in fact whether they mean some islands in the Loire estuary (which have since disappeared under silt). Either way, there's no reason you can't have the "Cassiterides" as being Britain for your purposes.
>>46411007
I could have written that a bit less hastily, hope it's not too much of a mess.
>>46411007
>>46411002
Seems pretty cool though. What systems/scales are best for this if i wanted to look into them?
>>46411039
I'd say 10 or 15mm. Pendraken and Old Glory, respectively.
>>46411039
10mm is a nice balance of mini detail and visual impact when you rank all the little buggers up.
>>46411039
28mm is well supported, but you want a big table. I don't know how well the eras are supported in 20mm (I've had trouble finding appropriate mid 18th century figures in that scale) but 20mm is very cheap. 15mm is a good compromise if you still have the Warhammer mindset, the models are large enough to have individual character, but you can pack a lot onto a conventional sized table, though stuff like 6mm the small scale and quantity of troops is a quality of its own, it's difficult to explain how impressive 6mm is to play.
I haven't played a broad number of rulesets unfortunately, only the heavily modified Hail Caesar rules my club uses.
>>46411039
Well that's a personal thing as always, but I like the idea of 15mm for this because it strikes the right balance between being small enough for large battles and proper maneuver, and big enough for aesthetic purposes. System-wise I honestly don't know; everyone seems to knock Warlord's Pike & Shotte for being too generic; but at least it (and Warhammer Historical's ECW rules) are pretty accessible. I'm an old grog who likes his DBR (De Bellis Renationis, PDF related) so I'll put in a plug for that, I've played it often and liked it, so it gets my vote.
>>46411092
I dont understand the condensed/normal distance thing in the pdf
>>46411017
Awesome, thanks for the info.
Did some work on the forces availiable to hire. Decided on "Lokhagos" as the word for the leader of the pirate band, as it was roughly equivalent to the rank of Captain.
Need a ancient greek equivalent word for the "Carls" you can hire in the original game, some sort of free men that would temporarily join the warband in return for loot as opposed to the "Huscarls" of the original or Hoplites of this game
>>46411186
It's a spacing thing. The normal scale is typically played on a 6'x4' board whereas the condensed scale with smaller armies can be played on a 3'x2' board. The condensed scale is a little bit simpler to play; for instance there is less rear support to take into consideration. Typically a normal distance game has single based figures, a condensed one double-bases them (i.e. two ranks on the base). Basically it's all about how much space you want to have, and how you like the look of it.
>>46411203
Oops, forgot pic. If anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear them. I'm not exactly an expert on the subject material
>>46410957
>how do the games play out?
>units of 800 pikemen, surrounded by 800 musketeers
>they move together as a massive land-tank, with bright banners and an almost solid block of upright spears
>cavarly riding around with open helmets and minimal chest armor
>cavalry fire pistols at close range, then draw sabers to attack
>some cavalry have muskets or carbines, tend to dismount to fire, but can fire horseback
>Musketeers threatened by cavalry can pull back inside the spear wall.
>artillery is clumsy as shit, but belches smoke and bouncing lead balls everywhere, then grapeshot if anyone gets too close.
>Battlefield becomes completely full of smoke after about 20 minutes of fighting.
>Limited command control, orders have to be sent by horseback to some distant unit
>This can lead to units standing around all day waiting for an order
>Everyone has van dyke mustaches and puffy sleeves
>Everyone has floppy hats and little stands for their muskets, and fire in the general direction of an enemy, instead of directly at them. Only massed volley fire of more than 100 muskets really has any effect, as musket balls can bounce when they leave the barrel, going nowhere near where you aimed
Its a lot of crazy fun
>>46411499
>Everyone has van dyke mustaches and puffy sleeves
The best reason to play pike & shot tbqhf
>>46411039
The anons above have made some good suggestions, but I'd like to suggest the Pike and Shot: Campaigns vidya if you want to scratch the itch without making a new army.
>>46411499
why are the pikes always in the middle?
>>46411530
Is that an ipad game port or something?
>>46411555
No, it's PC only.
>>46411555
Some other guy here. I think there is an ipad version but it's a pretty great game.
>>46411547
Because if the shot was in the middle they wouldn't be able to shoot anything because all the pikemen would be in the way
>>46411039
Haakka paale, and lion of the north are pretty cool for thirty years war, victory without quarter for English civil war.
My best advice would be to get the "Lutzen" osprey from the horse and musket folder in the OP (here:)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s5u7aaar2i8ykcc/Osprey_-_CAM_068_-_Lutzen_1632.pdf
and have a read. Its great stuff, very inspiring.
Also have my simple TYW rules for the hell of it, can be played with risk miniatures in lieu of actual period minis
>>46411547
Alatriste is worth watching if you want some inspiration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcMCVHJkSPA
Unrelated to pike & shot
>that Monty
>that desert
>those bagpipes
>those feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-CTGlULjhQ
>>46411649
Both the book and the movie are excellent. I love them.
>>46411586
Not that anon, but thanks, I'll read your rules. I don't have a good, simple, fun ruleset for TYW anyways, and I want to play it in either 10 or 15mm.
I know this should probably go in /vg/, but I figured you guys might appreciate a little Rule the Waves posting, since /wgg/ appears to be dead at the moment. I'm pretty satisfied with the outcome of this battle.
It was a stormy midnight knife fight in the middle of the Adriatic.
>>46411530
>>46411578
why does it look so bad
>>46411584
but why do they have to form a single unit of pikes and muskets, why cant the muskets do their own thing
>>46412100
Because more complex wargames tend to be heavily towards the latter end of the style-substance spectrum.
>>46412113
Because there's not really much reason to have separate musketeer units, plus without nearby pikes for support they'd be easy prey for cavalry.
>>46412113
Cos pretty much any block of horseman or pike can fuck their shit up because they take an age to reload between volleys, presenting a nice opportunity to hack them to pieces.
