Combat of the Thirty Edition
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>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
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>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
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>AH's General Magazine
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Desired scans :
Battlegroup supplements
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!
26th March in military history:
1169 – Saladin becomes the emir of Egypt.
1344 – The Siege of Algeciras, one of the first European military engagements where gunpowder was used, comes to an end.
1351 – Combat of the Thirty : Thirty Breton Knights call out and defeat thirty English Knights.
1885 – The Métis people of the District of Saskatchewan under Louis Riel begin the North-West Rebellion against Canada.
1913 – Balkan Wars: Bulgarian forces capture Adrianople.
1917 – World War I: First Battle of Gaza – British troops are halted after 17,000 Turks block their advance.
1939 – Spanish Civil War: Nationalists begin their final offensive of the war.
1945 – World War II: The Battle of Iwo Jima ends as the island is officially secured by American forces.
1971 – East Pakistan declares its independence from Pakistan to form the People's Republic of Bangladesh and the Bangladesh Liberation War begins.
1975 – The Biological Weapons Convention comes into force.
1982 – A groundbreaking ceremony for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is held in Washington, D.C..
Chivalry’s finest military expression in contemporary eyes was the famous Combat of the Thirty, which occured on 26th March 1351. An action of the perennial conflict in Brittany [part of the Hundred Years War], it began with issued by Jean de Beaumanoir, a captain of Charles of Blois supported by the King of France, to Robert Bemborough, a captain of Jean de Montfort supported by the King of England. When their partisans clamored to join, a combat of thirty on each side was agreed upon. Terms were arranged, the site was chosen, and after participants heard mass and exchanged courtesies, the fight commenced.
With swords, bear-spears, daggers, and axes, they fought savagely until four on the French side and two on the English were slain and a recess was called. Bleeding and exhausted, Beaumanoir called for a drink, eliciting the era’s most memorable reply: “Drink thy blood, Beaumanoir, and thy thirst will pass!” Resuming, the combatants fought until the French side prevailed and every one of the survivors on either side was wounded. Bramborough and eight of his party were killed, the rest taken prisoner and held for ransom. In the wide discussion the affair aroused, ‘some held it as a very poor thing and others as a very swaggering business,’ with the admirers dominating.
The motivation for the combat is unclear. The earliest written sources present it as a purely chivalric exercise, undertaken to honour the ladies for whom the knights were fighting: referring to Joan, Duchess of Brittany (House of Blois) and Joanna of Flanders (House of Montfort). These women were leading the two factions at the time, as Joan's husband was in captivity and Joanna's was dead (her son was a young child at the time). This is the account given by the contemporary chroniclers Jean le Bel and Jean Froissart, both of whom present the conflict as purely a matter of honour with no personal animosity involved.
While the combat did not have any effect on the outcome of the Breton war of succession, it was considered by contemporaries to be an example of the finest chivalry. It was sung by trouvères, retold in the chronicles of Froissart and largely admired, and honoured in verse and the visual arts. A commemorative stone was placed at the site of the combat situated between Josselin and Ploermel and king Charles V of France commissioned a tapestry depicting it. The renown attached to those who participated was such that twenty years later, Jean Froissart noticed a scarred survivor, Yves Charruel, at the table of Charles V, where he was honoured above all others due to having been one of the Thirty.
According to historian Steven Muhlberger, this chivalric version concentrates on "how the deed was done and not on who won. The willingness of all concerned to agree to rules and to actually observe them, to fight their best and not to run when injured or in danger of capture are the focus – and both sides are shown as equally worthy in that respect." Later, the combat came to be seen in very different terms, influenced by the most famous of the contemporary popular ballads on the topic. In this version the English knights are villains, and the Blois faction are loyal and worthy local warriors.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wz3568zydxy2p6f/Osprey+-+ELI+017+-+Knights+At+Tournament.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/va2inkaho0aq6xs/Osprey+-+MAA+337+-+French+Armies+of+the+Hundred+Years+War.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9e7fgex9d3b5k3e/Osprey+-+WAR+058+-+English+Medieval+Knight+1300-1400.pdf
Is bolt action viable at 15mm?
>>46240364
>“Drink thy blood, Beaumanoir, and thy thirst will pass!”
I knew I saved this for a reason.It's from a French set of ye olde chocolate bars I think, with each of them representing an important scene from history
Anyone played Lion Rampant and can offer their opinion on it?
I want to start up a Early/High Middle ages historical and the easy ruleset + smallish miniature count seems perfect.
I also have a fancy for Saga but they seem really different rules and gameplay wise.
![1745[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qHOGtLp.jpg "1745[1].jpg")
>>46240451
http://heraldie.blogspot.nl/2014/07/les-mots-historiques-par-limage.html
Here's the full set, for as far as I could find it anyway.
>>46240481
Is LR the game with random activation, so that you can be denied any opportunity to act?
>>46240369
Yes.
>>46240481
Try Lords&Servants instead unless you wanna get mad.
>>46240534
Yes.
Reminder that historical discussion IS welcome here
>>46240563
put your trip back so I could filter you faggot
>>46240563
No it isn't. Only Bolt Action lists and roasting Lion Rampant are allowed in this thread.
>>46240575
I don't have a trip but I'm the guy who actually posts about his Blucher wargames.
What wargames stuff do you contribute? I haven't seen much in recent threads but I have seen a lot of you complaining about people discussing history.
>>46240587
this sounds much more worthwhile than discussing historyThere is nothing wrong with Lion Rampant's activation system
>>46240451
#shotsfired
>>46240575
Someone's grumpy. Why can't we all get along?
I'm really interested in getting some 7YW minis and playing some Muskets and Tomahawks, but the nearest guy I know who is interested is hours away. Might have to make it a weekend visit late in the year.
>>46240603
I agree, its annoying when probability totally shafts you but random activations and stuff can be fun. I like Hail Caesar's too.
Riffing back to a discussion of Wallachian armies with a Vlad Tepes theme, you have two viable choices. DBM (Book 4 Army 65) gives you a chaotic mass of Irregular troops, meaning you'll burn most of your command pips keeping them in line. But all those lesser boyars/viteji are deadly, and you can field up to 24 bases of them - that's a block of Light Horse Superior which will shoot the shit out of anything then flee before the enemy can attack. The mass of Archers provides a huge meatshield to adsorb your opponent's infantry. After 1455, with Vlad now in charge, you get those useful "Crusaders" and Superior Artillery in the form of those Bombards, so now you're really doing some damage.
>>46240725
Another option is Impetus, with the Wallachian list from Extra 3. One again you have a bunch of excellent light horse in the form of the viteji and a mob of disposable peasants. This time the archers of the latter seem a little more efficient.
There is a gory and atmospheric 1979 movie from Romania called Vlad Tepes, which was filmed on location in his old castles and on the old battlefields. It would definitely be worth a look for inspiration.
>>46240563
ONLY if it is wargame related
>>46240857
>>46240857
Do we have much discussion that isn't related to wargaming?
I'm pretty sure discussion of the standards taken into battle by the troops of Wallachia is wargames related, but that still seemed to be a problem?
Like I'd understand if this was a fast thread, but it usually sticks around for days so I can't see how these tangents are that harmful, and they are more often than not quite interesting.
>>46240893
Not much, but every now and then somebody shits the bed and goes full /his/ with all of the accompanying shitposting, so I can understand being wary.
>>46240926
this started with the anti-nuke guy desu and the ensuing shitposting. past 4 threads have been the worst in /hwg/ history
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Hey /hwg/,
Let's say an anon has a sizable Warhammer Empire force from years past and is lamenting being unable to get back into a dead series of games. Let's say that anon is interested in historicals, particularly the period spanning from the Great Italian Wars to the Wars of Religion/Thirty Years' War. Is there a particular system at a scale to use those miniatures that they should look at as the leading system for 16th/17th Century rules? Everything that is strongly attested to for solid rules (read: has a following) seems to fall below High Medieval or above into black powder and more commonly Napoleonic warfare in timeline.Basically I don't want to have to sink money into a whole new scale of wargame, but will fall back on some Perry Miniatures if push comes to shove.
>>46240954
Warhammer Ancient Battles, mayhaps?
>>46240954
Pretty much any 28mm ruleset for pike and shot periods.
>>46240545
what's maddening about lion rampant?
something to do with >>46240534 ?
>>46240954
You might like to look at Pike & Shotte and Father Tilly, or perhaps being an old GW hand you could dip into Warhammer Historical's ECW rules. All three of these are in the Horse and Musket folder. Alternately, you could go rules-lite-as-fuck with the ever-reliable Alienstar (PDF related).
>>46241022
Yes. I was the mad anon who purchased it and still feel it was a purchase I should have not made.
>>46241030
>>46240954
Here's another rules-lite set specifically for 28mm, based on the ECW but of course that could be easily translated to the TYW.
>>46241022
Basically it sounds like one anon has never played a game with activation rolls before and was a bit put out by it.
Plenty of games have them; Warmaster and the Suffix Commander series has them.
>>46241051
>based on the ECW but of course that could be easily translated to the TYW.
Not much needed for TYW...the troops were basically the same with some obvious differences with the obvious exceptions of some more Eastern troops.
>>46240349
>26th March
But it's the 25th.
>>46241067
Not in 'straya I guess.
>>46241075
its 1am on the 23rd here in NZ, so no, not in straya
>>46241075
>>46241067
NZ as it happens, but Good Friday seemed remarkably light for interesting military things, and the 26th had the Combat of the Thirty, a wargame scenario just waiting to happen. PDF related could be a good potential choice for it.
>>46241078
>2 days behind
But hold on, a quick google says that it's the 26th in NZ
>>46241092
Fuck im stupid
>>46240563
As long as it isn't /pol/ or /his/-tier.
>>46240725
>>46240730
Chiming in to say that WAB did do a Vlad the Impaler book, that being said it's probably damn hard to get a hold of it these days.
>>46241107
Oh wow, I never knew about that one. I also forgot Field of Glory, which covers a Vlad-era Wallachian army in its Ottoman army list expansion.
Does anybody know how the Black Tree historical figures look next to Gripping Beast plastics scale wise?
Specifically the Dark Age/Viking stuff.
Any good ww2 games? FoW is just very unrealistic and I can't stand it
>>46241417
Chain of Command, I ain't been shot mum, the Battlegroup series etc.
>>46240503
Kind of disappointed they didn't have the MERDE! version, but I guess that wouldn't have done for kids.
>>46241454
Le mot de Cambronne. Sometimes the French are really badass.
>>46241405
I don`t know about their size compared to gripping beast but i wouldn`t recommend Black tree.
I have a bunch of minis and they all are terrible. Either their details are just bad from the start or their molds need an rework badly.
Granted, they are cheap if you order during a sale but thats it.
>>46241507
>>46241417
>good
What exactly do you consider good?
Realistic? Healthy playerbase? Good rules (game-wise)?
>>46241062
IIRC Lion Rampant anons army failed every activation roll and hence stood around doing nothing for the entire game, waiting cheerfully for their impending slaughter.
Obviously thats a bit of an outlier, but it's a risk in any game that uses random activation rules.
>>46241564
Most games lets you do basic commands (like moving, shooting or something), or at least a failed activation roll doesn't end your turn.
>>46241585
And plenty of games need that activation roll for you to do anything with a unit.
Hey ASL anon, any update on the Valor of the Guard situation?
Are there scans for Victory at Sea: Age of Dreadnoughts and Far Flung Seas anywhere?
>>46242368
There may be, but I'd have to get home and look through my bookmarks for the other mediafire that has naval stuff. Back when we had Naval generals for a bit someone had put together one that has some different stuff. If I find it, I'll post check, and I'll go ahead and post it. If it doesn't absolutely have to be the VAS ruleset, check out Grand Fleets and GQ3 Fleet Action imminent in the naval mf in the OP. Both look to be fun systems to run, and Grand Fleet is at least kind enough to put the damn unit conversion rules in the book so you don't have to fuck around with supplements or trying to create your own rules.
>>46242532
Actually, I managed to find the MF link I mentioned in an archived thread. Nothing actually interesting or different from what we already have, sadly. If anybody does have it to share, that'd be pretty awesome.
>>46240344
>By Fire
I just purchased By Fire and Sword.
Anyone else have any experience with it?
>>46242961
Slavboo not really worth money.
low quality of models, rules broken in favor for slavs
>>46242961
It used to be really big around here in the historical scene. Back when I was a wee nipper (1990) Haven't seen it played much recently. However the old Grognards still reminisce about games and campaigns of it. So, it has at least something going for it.
My bad, I was thinking of The Sword and the Flame. Colonial rules. http://theminiaturespage.com/rules/19c/tsatf.html Forget I was here.
>>46240627
Where are you? Maybe someone here is nearby
>>46240503
That's pretty neat. Thanks anon
>>46241641
Most of those games tend to be on a far larger scale than the small skirmishes of lion rampant.
And if they can stop an army doing anything (including fighting) on a single failed roll at the start of a turn, that's still bad when they do it too. Or they'll have a mechanism in it so that you shouldn't be failing on the first roll e.g. the warmaster derived stuff where you work through multiple commanders and only failing the overall commander's roll ends the turn.
>>46244308
I like some version of random activation so that units aren't utterly reliable, but I think it's best when you have some kind of minimum number of activations based on an army's C&C, sort of like how Blitzkreig Cmdr does it.
>>46244821
The TooFatLardies games work using a card system, each officer in your army has a card and when it is drawn all the units under that officer's command get to act. There's also cards for things like hidden units and random events and such.
>>46243363
hi /pol/
>>46243363
Poland is now slav.
>>46241417
Rapid fire? Crossfire?
Lionel Tarr's rules?
>>46240857
Go fuck yourself. Clownfag had a legitimate historic query, provided a good amount of research, and got people interested in starting new armies.
please go die in a fire, or better yet, get impaled.
>>46246274
What? It is.
>>46247815
Nah mate, it's Argentinean.
>>46247900
Next thing you'll tell me they're white.
>>46240937
Yeah, but we were having an excellent thread on Vlad The Impaler, and the colors and heraldry there of, when some aspie exploded all over. Nukefag is one thing, taking the h out of /hwg/ is retarded.
Also /his/ is just /pol/'s second page.
>>46248166
more /leftypol/
>>46247601
>anything with a track doesn't go any faster on a propper road than through a hedge
>smgs are the same range as flamers
>>46248166
when did /his/ become a thing?
Finally got around to finishing the 6mm Spanish Grenadiers I started a fortnight ago.
It's a shame hats with coloured bags stopped being a thing in war.
>>46249051
It was very shortly after gook-moot took over.
What are the best 28mm metal Norman knights on foot? I only need a few.
Early crusaders might be fine too.
>>46249051
With the coming of Hiroshima Nagasaki
>>46249073
How the Fuck do you even paint 6mm?
>>46249603
With a brush and paints, commonly acrylic ones.
>>46249603
the same way you paint pretty much anything, except you worry less about mistakes because when there are 24 men+ on a single base noone tends to notice.
>>46249092
>Jews are evil
>we wuz pharoes an shit
>the catholic church is good/evil
>middleschool level philosophy
>patently wrong pop history
I saved you a trip to a shitty board
>>46249816
you forgot
>HOLY
>ROMAN
>EMPIRE
with smug french man pic related
>>46249244
Gripping Beast makes some good metal figures. Check their site, hit the "Gripping Beast" button, and then use the drop-down menu to scroll down to the Gripping Beast figure section; not the SAGA models, but "Gripping Beast Figures". Whole bunch of early crusader and Norman armored footmen under the "Norman" and "Early Crusade" sections respectively. Come in packs of four, so might be perfect for what you're looking for.
>>46249244
The Perry's early crusades range may serve.
>>46250813
>>46250882
Thanks guys.
>>46244846
That's pretty cool.
>>46240725
>>46240730
>>46241107
AWESOME! I'm going to have to look up the WHAB book. If I can find it on Ebay, i'll scan it.
>>46248166
>>46249092
>>46249816
>>46249869
/his/ is a sad place.
>>46255046
>/his/ is a sad place.
Most of us knew exactly what a 4chan 'history' board would be long before it was ever created.
I am still sad that it happened because it would never have been good.
Why do wargames always show cavalry/chariots in head to head/static combat? Are the designers just shit or is rule of cool or what?
>>46255886
There's only so much you can do with miniatures on bases that represent larger units.
>>46256038
This, essentially. How would you show a general mixed melee, using small metal men glued to small bars?
Perhaps more rules should distinguish between units that are in contact (fighting along their outer edges) and units that are fully engaged (intermingled, thus difficult to extricate).
>>46248993
Its a pretty simplified ruleset. I have no problem with flame throwers and SMGs having the same range. They're both close range assault weapons, a flame thrower can actually spray flame pretty fucking far, even if its not technically able to fire as far as an SMG, they have similair effective ranges in the grand scheme of things. I can tell Tarr was going for simplicity, and I think he was more concerned with the strategy. The actual tabletop rules were more for resolving battles than a stand-alone WW2 tabletop game.
Ostfront is the WW2 ruleset we use, complete with campaign rules and map, army lists for US, Soviet, British and Wehrmacht, and Italians:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/45jrnm7xwc8uw/Ostfront_(WW2_Tabletop)
>>46259003
>>46248993
Also I should point out that in Ostfront, flame throwers have a range of 8", while most infantry weapons are 12". Machine guns are 16".
>>46260456
For just a second I thought "Osama bin Liftin" and then I realized it was time for bed.
What is a good begginer game if I'm interested on the "Horse and musket" period?
>>46262116
scale of battle?
We have all sorts of shit from skirmish games like Muskets and Tomahawks all the way to big army scale like Might and Reason in the mediafile.
>>46262142
skirmish and small stuff is nice.
>>46262240
Any particular period or conflict of that era you're after? The aforementioned Muskets & Tomahawks is superb for 18th-century stuff, but you could also look at Gloire. For 17th-century there's the Escalade expansion for Father Tilly, or perhaps Flashing Steel. All of them are in our Horse and Musket folder. One other title we don't have that could be worth you time is Donnybrook.
>>46249244
Perry without question.
>>46249603
Use the Force. That's how I do.
>>46250813
I really dislike Gripping Beast's minis since I had to paint an entire army of Byzantines from them. The hands gripping the spears are...eeeeeeh, awful.
>>46255886
As others said, abstraction.
>>46262286
is there anything with like colonial era stuff, maybe competing for resources etc etc, but just small bands of musketeers or w/e?
>>46262286
I understand that "horse and musket" covers many wars and periods but I'm not enough of a history buff to decide for one. I even could be happy with a generec/abstract ruleset
I'm off to bed now but I know this thread can wait for me.
>>46262444
Chris Peer's Darkest Africa stuff could be the go there, in the Victorian folder. It's about small groups of varying factions fighting campaigns for various reasons.
fallschirmjager test
>>46262938
Excellent work on the splint camo
And the face is well done too, I am painfully aware how easy it is to stuff that up
>>46262938
nice
>>46262938
See this on /hwg/, then see it in the Bolt Action Facebook group.
Nice job by the way, tho I wouldn't paint their eyes.
>>46263141
I got a winsor newton s. 1 brush so I am finally able to do eyes in a kinda proper way
>>46263170
Nah, it's more about the sculpting style. Most sculptors (I think the guy who did the FJ too) do not sculpt eyeballs, only eyelids.
>>46262938
Looking very very nice, I will point out that you got a dot of green on the back of the helmet by the look of things though. Ignore the eyes guy, they came out ace.
>>46262286
anyone have the donnybrook rules?
New game...
>>46240481
It's pretty damn good. The fantasy version is also good, but, you know, fantasy. One guy had an unlucky bad experience with it and it became a bit of a running thread meme, but sod that.
I like the unit separation rules. You get some neat zone of control effects with minimal effort.
Hey guys, I'm a long time lurker. I love all the little history tidbits you throw around, and absolutely love the look of the various armies you post.
I started playing miniature games with infinity, dropped it when the ruleset kept getting messier with every iteration and moved on to xwing, which scratched my need for a fast game I can just throw on the table and start playing with everyone.
Now I'm looking for something a little more involved, and my thoughts went towards you guys.
I'm interested in pretty much any era (barring Napoleonic, which for some reason doesn't attract me much - but feel free to try and sway me from this, I'm open to everything) and I like "solid" rulesets that don't trip on themselves too often.
Problem is, there's way too much material for a beginner with a scope so unfocused as mine, so I wanted to do something fun and ask you guys to, well, "sell me" your favourite systems: what are your favourite parts, what are their weak points, etc.
Mind, I'm not asking you guys to do my own work for me, even a "maybe you should check out x, it's really fun" is fine, I just need a direction to look at.
So, what are your suggestions, /hwg/?
>>46264544
If you like small skirmishes (infinity), ww2, and cool tight rulesets, Five Men in Normandy/Five Men at Kursk/FiveCore may be for you! Rules are simple and fast, you don't need much in the way of figures or terrain to get started, and it's fun as hell.
That gets you into 28mm (presumably, or 15mm) WW2, and from there you can play a ton of other games.
>>46264573
Will definitely look into it, thank you!
What would you suggest for something on a different scale? When you mentioned 15mm I felt a good tickle, anything on that range or even smaller?
>>46264544
>which scratched my need for a fast game I can just throw on the table and start playing with everyone.
There is "TANKS", which is basically x-wing with WW2 tanks. Not sure if it is out yet, but you can preorder it.
Russian company Zvezda has a similar game too.
My 2 cents on picking a game:
Visit local clubs/stores etc and see what people are playing.
There is no point if you discover the perfect set of rules in the perfect time period which you love more than your wifeimpying you have one lelwhen you have nobody to play it with because everyone plays Flames of War (or anything else that is extremely popular)
Personally i play Bolt Action for that reason. Rules arent perfect and there are certainly better (i.e. more realistic and balanced) sets of rules out there but i prefer to actually play the game.
For my personal autism i still collect hoplites, romans and crusaders because i just like the miniatures.
>>46264650
Oh, right now nobody plays historical in my area, really. But I have some good friends that back me up whenever I start something, so I a have a lot of freedom in this regard.
Worst comes to worst I'll just build two armies and see if I can trap someone in my web with the offer of "just trying it".It works every time, you just need to know their weak spots.
>>46264650
>Russian company Zvezda has a similar game too.
Their game is like Command&Colours.
>>46262444
That sounds cool. There's a S&T conquistador game in one of the folder, though the counters aren't scanned well - maybe use something like that for a world/campaign map and some skirmish set for the tabletop?
I used to have some rules called "Search for the Nile" or something like that where you started with a blank hex map of africa which was unexplored except for the coast and the interior was revealed by sending explorers in and using a card-driven randomization so it wasn't just a copy of real Africa. Maybe you could do something like that where the map starts unexplored and each player starts with a small budget to both equip expeditions as well as fortify/maintain their initial colony. Referee to run hostile indians or perhaps they could just spring up randomly, contingent on certain events e.g. europeans have explored a certain number of tiles inland.
>>46264544
Blitzkrieg Commander looks pretty easy to get on with for 6mm.
But, as >>46264650 say
"nobody to play with" is an issue.
Speaking of which Bolt Action is HUGE in my area. Is the D-Day starter worth picking up? And painting camo. Scary.
>>46264544
I'm a fan of Command Decision for larger WWII battles. There are a lot of scenarios, most with attached battle reports/photos here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mackenzie/CD.htm
Note the CD scan in the folder up top is the much clunkier 80s 2nd edition.
>>46264941
>"Search for the Nile" or something like that
That would have been Avalon Hill's Source of the Nile, a rare find today
>>46264977
>And painting camo. Scary
Try some of these: https://www.elhiem.co.uk/page_3038893.html
He makes a good point in the splinter camo pdf (or maybe it was elsewhere, I didn't re-read it) that you're really just painting something that gives the impression of a particular camo, not actually re-create it
>>46265030
Yep, that's it. I had a scan so there's a scan out there to download somewhere
>>46264642
>When you mentioned 15mm I felt a good tickle, anything on that range or even smaller?
3mm ww2/cold war with Fistful of TOWs is a damn good thing. There are some beautiful battle write-ups here: http://tinytanks3mm.blogspot.co.nz/
But most people don't do 3mm, so you'd have to spend a second $20 and buy two opposing armies.
In historicals, building both sides is pretty common - it's a lot easier to get people to play, and if they don't like the period enough to buy into it you can talk them into building both sides of something they like instead.
>>46265133
Well slap me silly and call me Urkel, I have just discovered that I actually have a scan. I thought I did but it wasn't in the MF, so I went and looked through my folders: lo and behold, there she was. Now added to the Avalon Hill folder. Seriously I need to recheck my shit and make sure I've not overlooked anything else.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6mti0vor7uvsv0z/Source+of+the+Nile.rar
>>46264977
>>46264982
Noted both, will absolutely check out
>>46265273
Goddamn 3mm looks sexy as hell, I must get some of this
>>46264977
>Is the D-Day starter worth picking up?
Don`t get me wrong, its a decent starter kit. Even more so since they replaced the old german sprues with new greandier sprues. (be sure you get a new version).
BUT:
If BA is huge in your area chances are you already know someone who has the rulebook (or you get it from the op) and the essentials to play (order dice, rulers etc).
I would rather get a starter army for the faction you actually want to play instead of buying 2 squads of americans and 1 german squad + half track.
If you happen to know someone who wants to start the game with you and you want germans and he wants the US part of that box a split can make sense though.
>>46247601
crossfire rules please
>>46265053
>not actually re-create it
basically this.
On pics on the internet you obviously can see that its not really splinter camo, but on the table the differences are not really visible as long as you use the correct colors.
See>>46262938 for example. His camo is very very good and a squad of these will look superb, but its still no real splinter camo. But on the table, it would look like spinter camo and thats all that counts. (for most people that is. rivet counters will see things a little different ofc)
>>46265390
In our WW2/Games folder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/am1qlu9dwkgx106/Crossfire.pdf
>>46265437
danke
>>46265437
I shouldd really re-watch this movie.
>>46249244
Essex are quite good and you can buy them individually.
>>46262938
looking good, only change I would make is the gunmetal which should be darker. gunze sangyo black steel is good for that.
>>46265422
what's wrong with the camo exactly?
>>46269206
Has a much more difficult shape.
>>46269206
The actual shape of the camo blobs and the lack of the "rain" pattern on top of everything
As i said, it still looks very good and certainly better than my attempts of splinter camo but it is still not actual splinter camo.
>>46269296
I followed the figures that were painted on the bolt action box
how do you get the stripes well?
>>46269336
>>46269296
followed this and it didn't blob, so this isn't accurate?
because I have only painted 1 so far so I am still in time to change the pattern
>>46269380
also, is the rain pattern green or brown?
>>46269296
That pic shows "Sumpftarn" i think. All the round edges
>>46269340
>how do you get the stripes well?
In that scale: you wont.
Thats why they are left away by most people.
The thing is: in reality those "raindrops" were there to make the whole pattern a little bit more blurry and to distract from the shapes. For you miniatures you don`t want that to happen.
I`d say: darken your gun metal a little and maybe paint the "cup" above the water bottle in a different color than the bottle itself and you are done. Oh, and fix that green dot at the back of the helmet someone spotted.
Your mini is easily 8/10 even without the rain drops
>>46269380
>so this isn't accurate?
If you aim for 100% accuracy, then this is not accurate. If you aim for a 28mm miniature that looks like it wears splinter camo uniform from tabletop distance, then yes, its perfectly accurate
what's the right number of men to put in a veteran squad in bolt action? 7?
>>46269340
As a very scientific demonstration, I scaled >>46269296 down so it appears about the same height as a 28mm model on my monitor (the full model as well, not just the torso).
You can probably see that you needn't bother with the stripes.
>>46270154
Seems so.
>>46270280
You should usually max out your squads, if you have the points to. More guys is better.
Remember that LMGs are useless.
Can somebody point me towards recourses that detail platoon structure for the major players of WW2 so I can plan some armies for Bolt Action
>>46270765
I play germans so lmgs on veterans become an actually useful thing (I pay 43 points for the fire power of 52 points)
>>46270980
sorry, 46 vs 52
>>46270954
The theater selectors in the Bolt Action book are fairly accurate.
>>46271041
We were thinking along the lines of recon platoons and artillery platoons etc
>>46271203
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_battery#Modern_battery_organization
Wikipedia isn't bad for this sort of thing
Finished my first base of AWI Brits.
>>46271934
Each one of them could be a reaction image
>>46271934
They look neet, but I think the black could use some highlighting, I think the bicornes may even have been edged white?
>>46272025
I tried my best of the faces. The problem is a lot of perry' plastics have indistinct eyes, you are just meant to shade it, but I wanted actual eyes.
>>46272037
The hats do have more shading than the pictures make out. You are correct about the white lining on some hats, however some of them didn't, and the only pieces of art I have found of the 15th foot (this regiment) depict them without it.
>>46272092
You did a good job anon, I'd touch up some of them (the ones on the right?) but most of them are spot on.
>>46265437
>I'll show you were the iron crosses grow
>laughing child soldiers
Good flick.
>>46272092
Hmmm I thought the white lining was uniform throughout all the regiments?
I would have avoided the eyes personally but, still they look great.
>>46272092
Just don't use white, and everything will be fine.
>>46271934
*revolutionary war
>>46272216
I consider it to be more of a 'kino' personally.
>>46272559
Tomato, tomato.
Huh, that saying doesn't really work in written form, does it?
>>46272746
you are a faggot I hope you fall on your minis
>>46272789
Jesus who took a shit in your cereal?
>>46272811
Baron Von Steuben probably.
>>46272811
I'm 90% it's the same guy who has been antagonistic in all the recent threads. Probably just best to ignore it.
>>46272259
Interesting. I've found a few pieces of conflicting evidence then. However I did decide to paint the edges white in the end.
They don't look great from the front but I can assure you I tried my best to make it look smooth and even. The edge is just thin and uneven on the sculpt, I've checked one I just took off the sprue. Shame really.
Looks ok from tabletop distance though.
>>46272854
I'm pretty sure its like 3 or 4, given timezones and tone changes
>>46272996
Still love the facial expressions.
>>46272811
Thread has been shit ever since anti-nukes guy
>>46272996
>>46273028
Well if you have evidence for with or without whitelining you can do either I suppose, but I really think they look much better with it, really makes them pop and look finished to my eye, and I hope you agree.
You seem a bit 'down' on them, but I think this is part of taking photos (your photo shows them at about 4x their normal size) and this is never flattering. They look very nice to me, the basing really goes well with them too.
>>46273028
>>46272996
Don't be glum. I'd be happy to field those. A lot of hard work gone into them guys. Even if they don't look happy about doing their job!
>>46275548
>28mm
>tank heavy
jesus fucking christ
Can anyone recommend a range with good early modern Eastern European horse archers in 28mm?
>>46272259
Damn their faces are so judgmental.
>>46275754
That's not 28mm.
>>46275900
Warhammer 40k
Wonder if Khurasan will do modern Chinese, so my Best Koreans can have some company.
>>46279008
They do
I'm trying to make some rules for something a bit silly, but I need to know if tabletop gamers enjoy having a bit of a yell. I haven't been in a game store for years, but I remember in GW we did WAAAAAAAAAAAGH.
>>46279659
It's include alcohole?
>>46279659
I know of a Zulu Wars game where the Zulu players had to chant USUTHU at the start of every movement turn.
>>46279725
Up to the player.
>>46279774
I'm talking more insults, but okay.
>>46279659
Many enjoy it, but personally I find it really annoying. Also because it's those people who do enjoy it being very loud making it difficult for people playing talking-heavy games (like Force on Force) to play.
>>46279138
They do modern north koreans and korean civil war Chinese.
After a long hiatus the latest installment in the Fleet Series games has been translated and released: Anatolian Fleet. (Again, starting with an "A", what's with that?) It covers the eastern Med.
https://mega.nz/#!u5M2nRDD!Sn5Pm39toyZKztbJMX9Aegbo8BCe1LayRgoHDuDG7tQ
>tried to load the 19773x14018, 71.7mb map
>kills my PC quickly and horribly
>>46281895
please use miniatures
>>46280701
>>46282023
I don't believe you.
Since I'm currently heavily into the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars I'm looking for some good books on these subjects. Can someone recomend any good reads that cover these subjects? I'm looking for something like general overwievs of the campaigns, the involved actors and the political and military consequences of the fighting.
>>46284466
The best book I've ever read on the Revolution is Simon Schama's Citzens.
Regarding the Napoleonic Wars, Colonel Elting's Swords Around A Throne and David Chandler's Campaigns of Napoleon are still definitive classics, decades after they were published (although they've been regularly revised).
There are some great period memoirs; personal favorites include the anonymous Soldier of the 71st, Schaumann's On The Road With Wellington and Kincaid's Adventures (all good Peninsula War reads); Baron Marbot's Memoirs and Coignet's Notebooks (fantastic looks at French campaigns throughout the Wars); Heinrich von Brandt's In The Legions Of Napoleon (the definitive Franco-Polish memoir of the 1812 campaign), and anything by George Nafziger.
Also have a quick look at the Napoleonic/References folder at the titles there, which are good entry-level reads.
>>46284466
Napoleon: Total War
>>46284704
Got that one already, though I still need to install Darth Mod.
>>46284666
Thanks a lot for your input, Eltings and Schamas book will be my next reads.
>>46284840
>still need to install Darth Mod.
The smoke and sound mods included that are literal perfection
various 6mm timecast North African/Middle Eastern buildings in various states of basing. Painted them. Weathered them. Look "okay". Crazy blue timecast windows. Have yet to decide on the market building boards and their colors.
>>46284466
>>46284840
You already have a great answer but just to add, I recently read Andrew Roberts' recent biography "Napoleon the Great" and Robert Harvey's overview of the Rev and Napoleonic wars, "The War of Wars", I would really recommend "Napoleon the Great" which I thought was fantastic
.
Although "The War of Wars" only really works as an overview of the events and major players, it perhaps isn't as great a work of scholarship so I wouldn't trust it on the minutiae.
>>46285250
something something mosque something.
>>46284857
Playing the main game I am annoyed by all of the tracer
>>46285257
Last one.
>>46285258
I forgot it even had those. I guess its helpful for people who arent educated or are shit at the game to see where the enemy is shooting
Happy Easter! I swear to you, after today, i'll have gotten my nut off on this, but I just wish to share a "this day in history" with ya'll
On Easter Sunday, 1457, Prince Vladimir Tepes III of Wallachia, known as both Vlad Dracula and Vlad the Impaler earned his name and his vengeance.
The Wallachian Boyars sold out his father, Vlad Dracul, to the Ottoman Sultan resulting in Vlad being kept as hostage until installed in his father's place with the intent of being a vassal lord and puppet ruler.
These were invited to a lavish dinner party held by Prince Vlad. All of them, over 500 men, were enslaved and forced to rebuild the fortress overlooking the Arges River. Any who survived, were impaled alive around his kingdom, as a prelude to his campaign against the Ottomans.
Probably the best drama about the real Vlad Tepes, made in Hungary in 1979. Subtitles in the closed caption option
https://youtu.be/VqbagKqtbAQ
....And a goofy awesome English language action movie about Vlad Tepes, circa 2000. Not as accurate, but fun.
https://youtu.be/OUwUiGdKTYs
>>46285269
>>46285257
>>46285250
Using them for modern or what
>>46285279
I have some WW2 stuff, so the idea is to make a desert and go all DAK on them. The timecast palm trees are really good. Cast out of metal. Stand on them without shoes on and you'd know it.
>>46285273
>made in Hungary in 1979
You mean Romania, Gropey. But yes it's a great film, very atmospheric, and the lead is mesmerizing. I had initially expected something of a whitewash of his faults, but it doesn't shirk from depicting them - instead it places them in context.
>>46285343
Herp derp, was talking to Hungarian larpfag. Subconscious edit.
The film has amazing production values, and yeah, they totally admit that it was a brutal period, but he was what was needed to free themselves.
>>46267398
They are beautiful minis. To play Bolt Action?
>>46285518
Indeed anon. The 1/56 Laffy 80AM is from from Mad Bob Miniatures; painted in the colours of a FFL cavalry unit in Syria. The minis are from Artizan Designs.
>>46285596
>Artizan Designs
really nice minis. /hwg/ is full of juicy goodness.
Hopefully the medieval version of FiveCore, provisionally titled Chevauchee will be coming out in the next couple of weeks. Basically if you're looking for some fast-paced, medieval skirmish war gaming you should get your hands on it.
I'm looking at messing with NEIS, for some slightly larger battles.
>>46285823
>googles FiveCore
Oh my. Want. Is this freely available (as in the above links from OP?)
>>46285870
The developer's a pretty cool guy, so we don't offer his stuff for free, but it's pretty reasonably priced on WargameVault. It's definite worth the investment since the game is so versatile.
>>46285870
We have the initial basic WW2 set, Five Men in Normandy, which is a great introduction. For the rest, Based Ivan deserves our support (as anon mentions above) and the books are cheap as chips anyway. There's an anon itt who has been producing all sorts of variants, including ones for modern terrorist actions and black powder stuff.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/lvhspeqenq3ibwv/Five+Men+In+Normandy.pdf
>>46285910
>>46285895
Good call guys. Will investigate.
>>46285910
Yep, that's me. Got some stuff published in a couple of the Battlepacks including a battle over an oil rig involving the Special Boat Service and the IRA.
>>46285273
"Swords are hardened through fire, not words, your holiness."
"But not in hell's fire."
"I haven't another handy."
Thank you very much for this, Gropey. You're all right.
>>46285946
I sounds like it plays easy. Any YT play reports or things like that?
>>46285946
>a battle over an oil rig involving the Special Boat Service and the IRA.
RIP Shaky Sal
The Cause never had a finer M60 gunner
>>46286122
Not as yet, but I have a Roll20 room set up for demo games.
>>46286143
Ah yes, good old Shaky Sal.
>>46285823
>>46285895
Thanks for the reminder
>>46285895
>>46285910
Is there an official website?
>>46286690
Wargame vault.
http://www.wargamevault.com/
>>46284666
Seconding Schama, because he spends time talking about the ideas of things such as "citizens" and what they actually mean. I appreciate that sort of depth.
>>46286994
Thanks for your feedback. My major was politcs and Schama sounds interesting from a political philosphy standpoint. I'm currently reading Eltings book and highly enjoy it.
>>46286745
>>46285910
>>46285823
Thanks for the info.
I have more questions though. I`m not at my computer and cant download the normandy pdf right now but i checked the shop.
What is the difference between FiveCore and 5 Men in Normandy? Modern day scenario and ww2, right?
I saw 5 Men in Kursk too. Its price is higher, is it a newer version of the WW2 5 man in normandy rules? Or an addon and i need both? Or is normandy western front based while kursk has rules for ostfront specific stuff?
For those who like that sort of thing, the season finale of Black Sails not only featured a ripsnorting naval battle, but also had a wonderfully accurate depiction of a Royal Navy amphibious assault circa 1715, complete with mortars and company firing by platoons. I am seriously inspired for some pirate gaming now.
>>46287691
FiveCore is a generic system, it covers WWI through mdoern day.
Kursk is more of an alternative to Normandy than a direct upgrade or sequel. If you're interested read over their descriptions and see what you think.
>>46287691
>>46287885
Forgot to add, neither Normandy nor Kursk are particularly front-specific, either.
>>46287883
wow those pirates are ripping the shit out of the King's finest.
>>46287917
It doesn't all go their way.
>>46287691
They're all refinements on the basic principles of the system. Ivan has experimented with a few different ideas across all three titles, but the core concepts are the same.
In short:
-Five Men in Normandy is the simplest to pick up and play, and with both of the expansions you can create some really interesting campaigns. It'll do for any theatre of WW2, and can easily double for pretty much any modern conflict with a few tiny changes. Looks a little bit dated alongside FMaK, but unparralled as a starting point.
-FiveCore 2e is the ultimate generic system. Built off the mechanics of FMiN, it's good for anything from sci-fi and the supernatural to WW2 or gang warfare. Campaign systems and mission generators are a little bit bare bones as a result.
Five Men at Kursk builds on the best thing from both games and adds a few different ideas. It's not a direct sequel to FMiN but if you're looking for an indepth skirmish wargame, you'll probably be better off with Kursk. It's not front specific, and it covers the whole course of the war in detail. It's larger scale than FMiN, you're probably looking at 10-15 figures a side plus vehicles.
>>46287971
I should add, FMiN has a much greater focus on individual characters and personalities than the other two. You'll probably only have 5-6 figures in your squad but they'll be fleshed out characters.
where can I find a 25/28mm miniature of mussolini?
>>46288553
>>46288553
Maybe black tree design?
>>46287883
Don't go for On the Seven Seas at least, it's a giant pile of shite.
http://www.incoldlead.com/on-the-seven-seas-review/ the concerns expressed here have been repeated ad nauseam even on places really adverse to strong critique like the Lead Adventurer Forum.
>>46287971
>>46287992
Thanks. That was helpful.
I`ll check Normandy at home and then decide if i want to buy kursk or not.
>>46287942
That first one firing enfilade was awfully convienietly positioned.
>>46276044
You fething troll m8
>>46240336
Hey /hwg/ I bought the Bolt action D-Day starter set and it has 20 US soldiers and 10 German soldiers and I was hoping you guys could clear something up for me. So a squad is 10-12 men including an NCO but can be split to five so does that mean I can have
>2 squads of 10
>split into four squads of five
>four NCO's with SMGs leading 4 men each
>one of the four men carrying a BAR/Springfield
and/or
>2 squads of 10 men
>give them a bazooka team each making 2 squads of 12
>BAR added to squad of 12
or do bazooka, sniper and LMG teams work as a separate unit altogether? I know I'm retarded but the only /tg/ stuff I played is 40k
>>46291911
>or do bazooka, sniper and LMG teams work as a separate unit altogether?
Yes they do.
The options you've posted are viable tho (except for the Bazooka-sniper rifle thing).
>>46292051
Ah right thanks so I could build 15 riflemen then use the remaining five as a two man bazooka squad, a two man LMG squad then a medic?
Also is it the same for all fations?
>>46254508
>tfw still hoping against hope that Victrix will make plastic elephants and Cataphracts
