RESOURCES
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>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
https://discord.gg/0q3dlAIlJs57Vv8v
>Get annoyed talking to other nerds
I want to make a Meren deck
It seems like the playstyle would be somewhat similar to my Sheizo, Death's Caretaker deck.
However I could swap most of my weenie black cards for powerhouse cards.
That means the deck would be much better at recovering from board wipes since the power of each of my cards is increased (for example, drawing a 5cmc demon vs a 2cmc 1/1 weenie)
Plus, mixing in green is great because I get access to mana-ramp without needing to break the bank on all those pricey mana-rocks like mana-crypt.
There are so many two-color lands that I'd probably never get mana-screwed.
And because of Meren's ability, I can do stuff like tutor things into my graveyard or run cards that mill myself, and then because of that I can also run cards that return cards from my GY to my hand (which can be pretty efficient, and can be better than card-draw).
She seems like a strong general to me.
I'm just going to take a guess here, but do you guys think I'm a tryhard if I run a general that was basically made for the format?
>>45990977
>do you guys think I'm a tryhard if I run a general that was basically made for the format?
Only if it's Derevi. Otherwise no.
>>45990977
Meren isn't one of the most broken precon commanders, so I don't think building her makes you a tryhard at all
And regardless
The most broken precon commanders, prossh and Derevi (and daretti), are only a small step above or below the most broken commanders from normal sets, zur, Narset, Azami, Brago
So I don't think it's bad form to choose a precon commander
>>45991178
You forgot Oloro.
>>45991178
>Brago
I think you meant Arcum
Criticism/suggestions, please?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mochi-mochi/
I'm still baffled at all that shit about white having weak removal compared to black and blue from last thread. What the fuck, man.
>>45990977
Meren's fine. She can be built to be casual fun times or cut throat no fun times. Good commander, if someone gives you shit about her then they are probably a huge baby and not worth playing with.
>>45991940
Meren is the reason I run Jokulhaups in all my decks, and Sunder in the ones that can't. Those Sakura Tribe Elder and Wood Elf ramp plays make me sick sometimes.
Post cards that are almost playable and make you sad for not being good enough.
>>45992516
>Iname as One
>Even close to almost playable.
wut
>>45992516
Dissipation Field is great and Dark Deal can work fine in Nekusar.
>>45992476
Meren ramp stronk
>>45992562
Fuck you I love Iname. It also runs blood clock funnily enough
What's everyone's favorite cycle in playability or theme/lore , mine is pic related since some of them are powerful (G/W) and their links to the spirit avatar cycle is pretty cool
>>45992701
good for you! this game needs losers as well as winners.
>>45992516
>tempered steel in sydri
I've lived this horror anon, you don't want to.
>>45992516
This dude.
>>45992816
followed by this one.
Did you know that drawing nothing but lands and having an empty hand is bad for your health?
>>45990502
R8, h8, comment8.
>>45993164
What is your narset build like?
Secret tech, coming through.
>>45993211
Creatureless/Voltron. Mine works well as a support player in multiplayer.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-10-14-cSR-narset-edh/
>>45993274
>$60
>>45993275
>Only 1 extra turn spell
You're a good person, anon.
>>45993274
Jesus Christ that's expensive for a card I've never heard of before
>>45990977
Meren's cool. Just use a lot of cards that have sacrificing effects and enough token generators/creatures with recursion to get a decent number of experience counters
>>45993357
>Waves of Aggression
not that good but not bad either
>>45993332
>name is an anagram of "drop of honey"
clever grills
>>45993357
Thanks. My "playgroup" is just a bunch of friends and we agreed no annihilator, instant wins only belong in life gain, and no going crazy with extra turns.
>>45993274
...maybe someone will be selling it on amazon for cheap.
>>45993397
Extra combat steps aren't that broken.
But when Narset gets going, most of it would be pushing "broken".
>>45993274
Another card that was reprinted in a different color, also white.
http://strawpoll.me/7075980
>>45993574
pauper all-star right there.
>>45993574
Don't forget your monoblack artifact decks. Goes nicely with Phlactery Lich and Nim Deathmantle!
>>45993645
Wow that's really good
>>45992654
I have lost a game to Dissipation Field before. It bought the blue player just enough time to assemble his combo. If it had been anything like Ghostly Prison or Propaganda, I would have killed him through it.
It was in a Sharuum list, which felt like a weird choice, but it certainly worked.
No bans 1vs1 EDH which commander would you choose Edric or Derevi?
>>45995117
Derevi only because Bant for life.
>>45995117
Derevi for scummery and white spells
>>45990977
Meren is very, very strong. I only bring her out in tournament settings but I always take first with her. Be careful she doesn't cause too much hate within your playgroup
>>45992677
I fucking love how great Meren is at ramping.
>>45992516
I'd slap Eater of Hope in Kaalia
>>45992738
One of my favorite cycles is the Boons cycle (Recall, bolt ritual and so on), it really sets the mood for what each color can do.
The other would be the filter lands cycle (Lorwyn Shadowmoor), so useful and flavorful.
>>45993645
Just built King Macar artifacts, this seems stupid good in there.
Also:
>mid-game with King Macar and 2 Gold Artifacts
>8 swamps and an expedition map in play, as well as Sol Ring and voltaic key
>Kuldotha Forgemaster and trading post in hand
>topdeck mycosynth lattice
>crack expedition map for cabal coffers, tap for 8 black, cast mycosynth lattice, untap cabal coffers with voltaic key, tap it again for another 8
>cast trading post and kuldotha forgemaster, use trading post to return paradise mantle to hand and play it on Macar
>sac the two gold artifacts and a tapped swamp to get out darksteel forge
>next turn use forgemaster to get umbral mantle and use trading post to return krark clan ironworks to hand, then cast it
>exile the whole field of creatures and make macar large enough for lethal to take out the blue player that could cyclo rift
>at this point super huge target but nobody has any exile spells to take care of macar so the next turn I forgemaster for Karn and exile everybody's permanents while swinging to eliminate the other 3 players the next 3 turns
I built macar to be a low power level control deck but holy shit his synergy makes him super strong. I don't even have Blightsteel or anything like that in the deck, and the only card over $20 is Karn Liberated.
>>45995593
>playing Karn in EDH
Actually the worst
>>45995673
As long as he doesn't Shahrazad it's fine.
>>45995673
nah , divine intervention is worse then the 3 Karns in my playgroup combined
>>45995673
>>45995784
>>45995792
>Ulting Karn ever
He's there because black can't deal with troublesome enchantments and/or artifacts and I'd rather play something with flexibility than Scour From Existence
What's a good commander to start with if I enjoy interactive decks with a control theme, preferably something I can start budget and upgrade over time?
>>45995593
>>45995941
I should also mention the Karn in the greentext was Karn, Silver Golem. I animated their Mycosynth'd permanents Sydri style and then exiled them with Macar
>>45995994
oh ok
Yeah, Karn Silver Golem is pretty cool.
>>45995972
Oloro is a good starter for control and budget, and upgrades very well to become one of the strongest commanders out there. That and lifegain is easy to start with.
Another good control that doesn't have any blue is Daxos. Both precon decks are also pretty easy to find for under $40
>>45993574
>>45993645
>30$
>80- 128$
Great cards, don't get me wrong, but I would hesitate to call those secret with pricetags like that.
>>45995972
Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer is my recommendation for a starter control general that is interactive and doesn't draw hate
>>45996122
they are expensive because they were in Arabian nights and everything from that set is grossly expensive
>>45995972
Isperia, Supreme Judge can be pretty good for a budget control deck.
>>45992738
Huh. You know, I think I underestimated Clout of the Dominus. It's a super cheap easy to cast swiftfoot/greaves that lives through vandalblast. Zero reusability though.
>>45996713
a one off lightning greaves is ok if your deck can consistently pull off its game plan in a few turns, people generally wont use a card just to kill a 1 mana aura
>>45995117
They would be the top two decks of the format and Derevi would probably be favored in the Derevi vs. Edric matchup. So for that reason alone, Derevi, regardless of which would be better against the rest of the field.
>>45992738
Am I an unoriginal faggot if I pick the Theros gods? Because I can't think of many other cycles in which all the cards are interesting and playable.
>>45994570
Yeah Dissipation field has put in serious work for me in the past. Pretty much reads "creatures cannot attack you unless you are the only remaining opponent". To be fair, I run it in mizzix, my threats are hidden in my hand, and my lgs metta is kinda dumb. They leave me alone for fucking ages.
>>45997311
more exciting that the titans or the souls of <enter plane here>
>>45991783
Personally detest custom art. But one crit would be to work on keeping the borders clean.
>>45997393
Oh yeah, come to think of it, the titans were another pretty good cycle, though fairly uneven in terms of power.
Still better than old-school cycles where they didn't even bother trying to make them balanced. Gaea's Cradle, Tolarian Academy, etc. oh and also Shivan Gorge I guess, that's as good as the other ones right?
>>45997699
Shivan Gorge for biggest let down ever.
Alright guys, so I'm thinking of possibly adding a Grave Titan and a Sifter of Skulls to my beloved Meren deck. Are they worth adding in? If so what should I cut? Also what are your opinions on my deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/die-come-back-die-again-come-back-again/
I pulled Marchesa out of a conspiracy pack. What would an edh deck using her as a commander look like?
>>45995137
>>45995168
>>45997161
I was thinking in the card advantage Edric gives but yeah I guess it's No Ban derevi what I'm going to build, plus I can cram Edric in there aswell. Now the question aggro or control?
>>45997311
>>45997393
It's still my dream to make a flavor gods Edh deck with Karona the False God as the commander
>>45997915
Kessig -> G. Titan
>>45993358
Reserve List will do that
>>45997915
>Sifter of Skulls
Yes definitely, but you should also add Pawn of Ulamog. In fact, Pawn of Ulamog is probably the better of the two.
>Grave Titan
Meh. I'm not a huge fan of this card. Most of the time he's just a big guy with deathtouch, which isn't bad but it's not amazing or anything.
>What to cut
Viridian Emissary has never impressed me in Meren. It seems like you have better ramp and better death effects. You also have no eldrazi, so From Beyond is basically just a higher cost Awakening Zone. You have enough token generators that you should be able to cut it just fine.
>Thoughts on the deck
Not much to say, it's a fairly standard Meren deck. You definitely want Regrowth (or even Greenwarden of Murasa since it's a creature) over Treasured Find. Other than that it looks pretty good.
>>45998211
>>45997915
I actually just noticed that you don't have any Blood Artist effects, so uh, you should probably add some.
>>45996180
Like that one mountain.
>>45998052
Undying/Persist
Mind control effects and Inexorable Tide
>>45995593
Decklist? Macar has been on my to-build list for ages, but don't know shit about mono-black
>>45993420
Close, but not quite. It comes out as 'drop oph ney' with 'rys' left over.
What songs do you think your favorite general would listen to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I56VeRWesr4
>>45999648
Prossh would listen to anything that is power metal, wouldn't he?
>Want to run Mogis Minotaur Tribal.
>Friend in my play group groans and says that "Everyone runs Mogis" even though I'm not running straight fuck you.dec with Mogis, but "God of Minotaurs" deck.
>Know I'll just get hated off the table because "Mogis is gross."
>>45999648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKuWaM87_Ew
>>45999842
Mogis is lame as fuck. Oh no, I lose 2 life on my upkeep, what am I supposed to do about this 20 turn clock? If your friend can't handle that, then he must be playing crawmeme.dec.
>Minotaur tribal
Shit nigga, I'm sorry, but that sounds awful.
>>45999842
Mogis is a shittier version of Kaervek, he's bad
And Minotaur tribal sounds bad
>>46000026
What's wrong with Minotaur Tribal? I want a nice tribal deck.
>>45999842
>everyone runs mogis
Except they don't? Tell your friend to harden the fuck up
>>46000068
there are like 0 good minotaurs
>>46000068
Just go take a gander through what you'll be working with:
http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22minotaur%22&v=card&s=cname
>>46000114
We have ragemonger, but then again, there are no other good minotaurs.
>>46000114
Boros Reckoner and Etherium-Horn Sorceror are both goodbut can't go in Mogis. They can go in Zedruu, though
>>46000273
I like this post. Best thing I ever did to my RW giant tribal was making it Ruhan RWU.
>>46000273
Got Etherium-Horn Sorcerer in Mizzix precon. It seems like it'd be really fun, but cascade might as well read "when you cast this card, reveal from your library until you get an X spell, then put it directly into the graveyard."
Every single time man.
>>46000601
>Using anything but Instants and Sorceries in Mizziv
It's great in Animar.
Post your snowflakes, lads
Legit question.
If I have an EDH deck, where the contents of my deck are all the same type of land, down to the set and art, do I have to shuffle it?
>>46001376
Does a card, or rules text require you to shuffle your library? If so, then yes.
Anafenza junk hatebear essentials? I'm not really sure it's better to go more towards straight up +1/+1 counters synergy or annoying creatures. Anyone have experience or a list to share
Please advise: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-03-16-shirei-shizos-caretaker/
Is Arjun a good commander?
>>46001677
If you like combo, or winnning with labman.
Are there any good UWR control commanders yet?
>>46001641
I was never a huge fan of hell's caretaker, try running bloodthrone vampire as another way to eat your creatures
>>46001724
Numot
>>46001724
nope. Zedruu is the closest thing and we all know she's shit
>>46001746
I'm assuming hes LD control? Armageddon, Stone Rain, Boom//Bust, etc?
>>46001757
Zedruu is POLITICS the commander and she's great
>>46001770
you can run just a normal control deck with a little bit of LD
>>46001725
>I was never a huge fan of hell's caretaker
Care to elaborate? It seems like a very efficient way to recur a creature. I also found it to have really good synergy with corpse dance.
>try running bloodthrone vampire as another way to eat your creatures
It's in there
>>46001724Narset is a good control commander
Anyone here run Ragnar as their commander?
So how viable is Hakim. Has anyone played him and enjoyed the deck? I randomly stumbled upon him looking for cards. He seems incredibly fun.
>>46001806
Looks like I'm blind for not spotting it. My problem with hell's caretaker is that it requires a full turn to get going and is a really bad play on an empty board
JVP is the best commander
>>46001841
>Flying
Fucking how
>>46001841
He looked pretty cool to me until I saw the mana cost. If he were three cost he'd be fun, but the way he is now he's just a bad Zur.
>>45998211
The reason I run him in meren is for token spawning on a big fucking stick. Sac him for Ghoulcaller Gisa or Feed the Pack for even more zombies or wolves.
Hell, just attack with him and spawn some zombolos.
>>46001896
Wizards, man.
>>46001250
ayy lmao
edit->skittles is being turned into Vela for intimidating infect and the almighty PoS that is inexorable tides
>>46002196
fuck me, forgot image
>>46002217
>Skithyrix
I wish you would die
>>46001250
probably gonna retire daxos soon
>>46002250
I killed myself with poison counters once, so I have. Ish. At least it's not a voltron skithiryx, i only have two equipments in the deck
>>45991238
Sharuum is way more "broken" than Oloro. He's noninteractive as fuck, sure, but if life gain is problematic for you then chances are you're still playing fair Magic, which is arguably a good thing.
>>45990977
Precon commanders are fine and there's a lot you can do with Meren. You can build her casual or competitive; she's one of the strongest decks available for casual commander, built well, but the best Meren deck won't necessarily be a top-tier competitive deck.
>>46001407
I run the full suite in Karador but that's because I reap major benefits for making the game as slow as possible. Obviously you've got Teeg (he spiked before I was able to get mine, sadly) - the noncreature taxers (Thalia, Glowrider, and Vryn Wingmare), Eidolon of Rhetoric, Kataki, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Hushwing Gryff, Peacekeeper, and Aven Mindcensor.
Assuming you've got the tools to find the ones you need (which, Junk is the best at pulling creatures out of your library), you'll have a silver bullet for every situation.
>>46001677
If you're COMPLETELY INSANE. I've been wanting to build him for a while. Nothing like going berserk and decking yourself.
>>46001724
I liked playing Ruhan. He doesn't synergize with the deck but I got a huge kick out of just casting him and continuing to play my control game while he did whatever he wanted downstairs.
hi guys, I want to make a total chaos edh deck, as in all it does is fuck shit up for everyone (possibility storm is already earmarked for it), what commander should I be using and are there any cards in particular that I should include?
>>46002587
>I want to make a total chaos edh deck
start by killing yourself
>>46002613
cmon, it'll be fun
>>46002587
Play Melek. Run shit like Stitch in Time and other RNG effects. MLD if you feel like an asshole. Extra turn cards if you want to win.
>>46002587
Norin the Wary is baby's first chaos deck. I've seen people play Intet and Maelstrom Wanderer as well.
>>46002587
Scrambleverse
Hive Mind
Warp World
Teferi's Puzzlebox
Confusion in the Ranks
Eye of the Storm
Curse of Echoes
>>46001641
Shadow born apostle shirei best shirei
>>46002834
Too uninspired for my liking.
>>46002806
>>46002822
>>46002833
what about jhoira as a commander
>>46002892
Jhoira is probably the best chaos commander except for maybe Karona. The most important thing is that you be allowed to cast blue and red spells.
>>46002917
ok ty
God damn do I love R/G
God damn do I hate White
>>46002587
Goblin Game
Chance Encounter
Fiery Gambit
Game of Chaos
Goblin Bomb
Planar Chaos
Squee's Revenge
Stich in Time.
Just bought a Scroll Rack. What's good synergy for this thing?
Nightmare mode : No green or white need apply.
>>46002990
Future Sight
>>46002892
Except with Jhoira everyone sees what's coming and you get focused and die. If you go with Jhoira make sure you stack your deck with Propaganda effects.
>>46002990
>Scroll Rack
Goddamn if this doesn't get a reprint in Eternal Masters or Conspiracy 2 I'm going to be pissed
>>46002587
>>46002640
If some mental child ran into your house screaming memes he got from the internet, broke your tv, took a shit on your kitchen table, pissed in your bathroom sink, gave you a smelly stuffed animal, then walked out of your house going "lawl so randumb ecks dee", how would you react?
This is literally you.
>>46002806
Is it just me or is Melek a cheap commander with an expensive fucking 99? So much tech required just to get it online. No wonder this nigga got ganked like a sucka.
>>46003224
Because chaos decks are somehow less fun than all the cancerous shit in the format that is oh so popular like stax and taking a million turns.
If the guy's playgroup doesn't have a problem, then he's doing nothing wrong.
>>46002833
>Teferi's Puzzlebox
I can't even get salty when I see my friend slam that shit on the table. It makes games fun.
>>46003583
>It makes games fun.
Unless they're playing Nekusar.
>>45992516
Mind cage is amazing in my kami of the crescent moon edh, I think it's a incredibly niche card and only thrives in blue decks with hyper-strong politics.
Anyone know when the mothership updates? I'm hankering for spoilers. Pretty sure we're supposed to get Sorin or the flipWolfwalker today.
Got most of the deck worked out, but I'm trying to iron out kinks. Would love suggestions.
>Deck is built around
30-35x Shadowborn apostle
>Commander
Karador, Ghost Chieftain: adds another layer to the graveyard interaction
>Stuff you can't put in a normal EDH deck
Bloodbond March, Thrumming Stone, Rememberance: gets and keeps lots of Apostles in play, Bloodbond also triggers when you use Karador.
>Trigger on death
Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Butcher of Malakir: only you can have creatures once the deck gets going.
Blood Artist, Falkenrath Noble, Zulaport Cutthroat: extort lite, for free!
Harvester of Souls, Fecundity: keep your hand full, both have "may" phrasing.
"Teysa, Orzov Scion", Azban Ascendancy, Xathrid Necromancer, Rotlung Reanimator, Gutter Grime: tokens everywhere. Note: Teysa's first ability is almost useless if you have any mutual creature sac abilities out, just the way the stack works.
Altar of the Brood: lots of mill for cheap, triggers on tokens too. Alt win cons are fun.
>Alternate sac outlets
Pherexian Alter, Ashnod's Alter, Perilous Forays: repeatable sacs for mana. Forays grabs "basic land types" so you can fill the deck with dual/shock lands and still grab them.
Champion of Stray Souls, Hells Caretaker, Golgari Guildmage, Malevolent Awakening: repeatable sac creatures you have for creatures in your graveyard. Works great with tokens. The last two form an infinite combo with Pherexian Altar, Bloodbond March, and enough Apostles.
>Other draw accel/tutor
Mostly the usuals, but special mention should go to these:
Scroll Rack: lets you put a demon or land back in the deck for Apostles or Forays to grab.
Jar of Eyeballs: so many creatures are getting sac'd/rez'd that this lets you dig almost all the way through your deck for something you want, and then you can choose the order the rest go back into the deck.
>the rest
mana accel, graveyard interaction, a few exiles for good measure, and a few more alt win cons for fun.
>>46000066
Kaverek doesn't compare to mogis.
Sure, kav has a big damaging ability, but he's so mana heavy, by the time he sticks he will be destroyed or dealt with immediately due to political suicide.
Mogis on the other hand is only 4 mana, and he starts as an indestructible enchantment (incredibly tough to get rid of in most scenarios) with an ability that slowly pricks the opponents to death over time. Did I Mention when he does become a creature he's got 7 power? Yeah.
The issue with mogis (and all gods) is that you generally don't want them to become creatures simply because They become easier to remove.
>>46001641
Add Sentinel to your Dorian deck.
>>45992476
I also run some hate cards now after I have seen some precon Meren in action
>Leyline
>RIP
>Tormod's
>Nihil
>Relic of Progenitus
to befairLeyline and Rip also fuel my Helm combo
am I overreacting?
>>46002990
I used a dack fayden to steal scrollrack to lock out somebodys draw, but i also had a senseis top out. Those two worked pretty well.
>>46001896
Hakim is actually the dragon in the background.
>>46003916
Wow. I would love to see a decklist for this.
>>46004608
Let me slap something together on tappedout, but you have the highlights. I'm just filling in the corners at this point.
>>45992516
I've played Eater of Hope in Meren. It's not terrible. Unconditional kill spell is nice, a pretty solid evasive beater that can regen is nice. The mana is a little heavy, saccing 2 creatures for the kill is a little heavy, but it's not back breaking.
Other night:
>game been whittled down to 3
>I'm the smallest gun at the table with Meren, a group hug deck gave hella fuel to a scary Nemata mono-green token deck(seriously), and a Kresh deck that I, for obvious reasons, was directly fueling
>had to burn through my board presence and resources just to keep some explosive shit in check after the group hug deck gave goodies to everybody and 1 deck almost comboed out while another almost hit critical unstoppable token mass like 4 times
>burn out my field to snipe key pieces with eater of hope, eventually manage to recur a Jarad, finally draw into another 6 drop, have just enough to swing with 2 big guys and sac em
>had just enough to knock the other guy out after #1 knocked out #2
>eater kept me in it, knocked out the worst of it, even inefficiently, enough to keep me around and eventually be that little bit of offensive fuel i needed to win
>that regen came in handy as an emergency blocker too
>>46000026
>" Oh no, I lose 2 life on my upkeep, what am I supposed to do about this 20 turn clock?"
Why do people say dumb shit like this?
It's not a clock, it's an ADDITIONAL, nearly guaranteed, 40 damage over the span of 20 turns.
How many turns do your games usually last? 10 to 15.
That's 20 to 30 damage.
IN ADDITION TO THE 99 OTHER CARDS IN YOUR DECK!
Everyone is always talking about secret tech, but the secret tech I want to know is how you guys keep up with your triggers.
Anyone have a system or something I can use to help me? I missed so many triggers earlier tonight and I got quite mad. I can keep it under wraps, but inside I was furious at myself. I know one problem is I need to stop smoking weed during the game, but the pipe is going around and its hard to not.
>>45998065
Dont go aggro since there's a bunch of cards that can just stop you in your tracks, control is much more reliable and consistent
>>46000068
elemental tribal > all else. It's fun, interactive and powerful
>>46002261
What's wrong with daxos?
>>46004694
>>46004608
>>46003916
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shadowborn-sacrifice/
About halfway done as of now, expect constant updates over the next hour or two.
>>46002990
It used to be used with land tax to turn 3 basics into 3 actual cards
>>46005207
How do you even miss triggers, you physically put the card that says what to do on the table after your read it so you have to know what it does.
If necessary the best advice i can give is to just glance over all your cards on untap step to double check, as long as you know what the cards n your deck do you should realise if one of your cards has a trigger
>>45992738
For playability, I'd have to say cycle lands.
>>46005207
I arrange my board in order of what triggers happen; draw on the left, end of turn on the right, other triggers like creatures entering the battlefield in a separate pile
What I really want to know is, how do you guys keep track of your floating mana? I was playing pic related last night and ended up with 2850 colourless mana floating
For any interested, the formula for the amount of generic mana left over after consecutive 1/1 Marath triggers with Mana Echoes in play is ((n*(n+1))/2)-n where n is the number of triggers; last night I did Marath 76 times, so ((76*(76+1))/2)-76 = ((76*77)/2)-76 = (5852/2)-76 = 2926-76 = 2850
>>45993076
>Shirei
My nigga, favorite deck to play
>>46002990
Counterbalance works quite well in blue for free counters.
Miracles are always fun.
Polymorph effects have a giggle.
Be careful for Uba Mask.
It'll ruin your day.
>>46005281
Cool man. I appreciate you putting the list up, this way I can save it to refrence once the thread dies.
>>46005591
As I said: in progress/incomplete/unoptimized. Advice is appreciated.
Gonna try to make a Glint-Eye deck. What should the archetype be? My current decks are Rhys tokens, Keranos spell slinging, and Shirei black weenie sac/etb so I want to try and stay away from those. Also I'd rather not do voltron because I feel like that's a cop out but I'd do it if I had to.
>>46005612
I'd just recommend grave hate.
>>46005693
leyline of the void added, better than RIP for this deck for obvious reasons.
>>46005842
How about more utility lands and some land search like crop rotation?
>>46005882
land search? In playtesting with a 27 land build, I almost always ended up with more mana than I knew what to do with, and was never color screwed. I am planning to get this up to 24-25 lands.
Utility lands? More grave interaction is never a bad thing, adding mistveil plains and Volrath's stronghold. Reliquary tower lets me unleash my draw accel, and winding canyons would let me mess with opponents pretty hard...
>>46005452
What's to stop that combo from going infinite?
And at that point why remember floating mana if it's infinite?
>>46006033
I don't mean land ramp.
I mean cards that search for one land in particular, such as crop rotation.
Crop rotation into a Maze of Ith or the other half of Urborg Cabal combo or even a Bojuka Bog in response to reanimation.
I guess you can use it to get colors too, but it's more useful for other things.
>>46006043
Because it's fun to say "I fireball you for 2850 damage"
>>46006100
Ah, nice.
I like your style anon.
>>46005207
Just put a die on top of your library, it's how I and most people I know remember upkeep triggers and the like.
>>46005452
How did you managed to play a 76+ mana/counters Marath?
>>46006501
I don't remember exactly, but it's really not hard to do in a Marath deck
>>46006522
So it died 38 times during the game?
>>46006544
No, I didn't cast it for 76, it just ended up with that many counters on it
>>45999842
>Everyone runs Mogis
>>45992738
Runes of the Deus is fun in RG, actually getting to stick it on the Deus and getting to actually hit someone with the thing is orgasmic.
How many creatures in Edric? Most lists have over 35 but I think 33 is a sweet spot. Am I wrong?
>>45997326
>>45994570
Dissipation Field also allows your opponents to bounce and recast their creatures if they have a way to get them through.
It's a fringe case, but I played a game with my Newzuri a few days ago where I was able to do exactly that with my Eyeless Watcher and my Patagia Viper because my opponent had no other creatures on the field.
Alright fa/tg/uys, which of these is my next deck, and based on the description what one card must I run that I probably didn't think of?
>>46007814
Someone posted it a few threads ago, but Grinning Totem in Lazav
>Told myself if I open any Kamigawa pack, the first legendary creature I pull is my commander
>Card shop in the next city sells Saviors of Kamigawa packs for $5
>Buy 3 packs because Nostalgia and want to build a new EDH
>Open first pack
>Pulled a Legendary Creature
>Get Nostalgia from just looking at the card, the days I faced it and how much I wanted it back then
>It was Erayo
>Erayo is banned in EDH
>Fuckmylife.deck
>Second pack I pulled Kenshi Sakashima, the Impostor
>Third pack had Kagemaro, first to suffer
>Might have lost value but don't give a fuck
So now I'm gonna build Kenshi Sakashima. Guys have any good tech or cards about building him?
>>46008475
clone tribal
>>46008475
Clone/ETB tribal.
To play around with ETBs in mono-U I like Aetherplasm. Made for some goods political shenanigans.
Should I build Edric or Thada Adel aggro?
>>45999842
Your friend sounds like a bitch.
Minotaurs rule, and Mogis is great. Run it.
>>46007394
30-some sounds about fine. Don't forget to keep a low curve and run tons of counterspells.
Hello fellow fa/tg/uys.
I'm brewing something for the past few days, and it has been a lot of fun, but I have no idea if this could work. I'm mostly playing in my casual kitchen table groupe, but why not brought it to my LGS if it has potential.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/landscape-painting-with-kruphix/
Here it is. It's mostly color hate modification and landfall, and the tests are fun for now. Any idea or must have I've forgot?
>>46009764
I feel like Blind Seer would be a better commander for this
Is Mayael a good commander to get into the format with?
>>46010079
I like the addition of green and the utility of Kruphix. It ends up mostly lands dancing from hand to battlefield anyway, I added color hate for shenanigans.
>>46005269
The deck is just really slow and requires a ton of money to reach the desired powerlevel
>>46010102
if you like big creatures
>>45999762
>He
Prossh is a girl
>>46011535
(source needed)
>>46008475
I have a Sakashima deck built, will post after I get off work.
>>46011535
>Prossh is a girl
>I base this, of course, on absolutely nothing
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/ten-commanders-2013-10-29
>>45991783
What are your win conditions?
>>45992738
Invasion/planar choas dragons. I keep a few built at any given time.
>>45993164
>Sun quan lord of wu tang
>>46000068
>what's wrong with X Tribal?
You are a lazy fuck
>>45990977
Meren is definitely strong, I've just put her together as my first commander deck and I absolutely smashed when I brought it to the LGS the first time.
My meta doesn't seem very competitive, but it's not like I've actually gone out of my way to REALLY optimize the deck either and I don't really have any expensive cards in it.
How many counterspells should I be looking to use in a Talrand deck?
>>46011535
I believe >>46011957
just destroyed you.
>>46012425
If a precon deck is smashing at your lgs i think the players must have a problem. I mean they're right there! How can you not at least be on the level of the precons?
>>46013060
>If a precon deck is smashing at your lgs
It's not exactly precon, I've replaced somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 of the non-land cards and gotten a much better manabase.
I want to make dark impostor edh. What commander/colors should I use?
>>46012400
>Hurr you can't make fun decks based around creature types because it's lazy!
Fuck off.
>>46013225
I run one. It's Grixis colors.
Jeleva for the General (steal their spells)
Rite of Replication
Bribery
Mindclaw Shaman
Telemin Performance
Diluvian Primordial
Reverberate
Twincast
Fated Return
Cruel Ultimatum
Profane Command
DANK Impostor
Silent-Blade Shinobi
etc
Basically the deck is full of "I play your shit for free or reanimate your shit, or copy your shit", with a few bombs (mainly Rite of Replication, Army of the Damned, etc) as win cons.
winning in one swing when you've left me no other choice
New player to EDH here.
I'm sure my numbers are way off, but this is me taking a stab at what I should need for a three color deck?
35 Lands
5 mana fixing/rocks/whatever
30 Creatures
10 Removal
10 Utility
10 wincons/bombs
I know EDH is a lot more flexible that that and the deck composition really relies on your general and synergy, etc, I just wanted a rough skeleton for like a basic goodstuff.dec to work with.
Yes? No? Help.
>>46013861
anywhere between 5-11 rocks
35-40 lands depending on how much money you put into them (generally, some lands are cheaper but the best board costs some cash)
Chromatic lantern is a must.
Board will depend on what your commander is.
>>46013861
>35 Lands
>5 mana fixing/rocks/whatever
More. You probably want around 45 total between lands and nonland mana.
>30 Creatures
Generally less, but it depends on the commander.
>10 Removal
Boardwipes or spot removal? You should run a roughly equal amount of both.
A lot of your categories are also going to overlap, so thinking about deck construction like this is not always a good idea.
>>46013934
>Chromatic lantern is a must.
No it's not.
>>46013981
You'd be a special kind of retard to not run Chromatic Lantern in a 3 color deck.
>>46013981
It really helps for tri-color decks.
I would have been mana-screwed in many games without it, between getting 2 of the same color duals and just missing a color otherwise.
>>46014012
>>46014020
Shit, I didn't realize he was talking about 3 color. My mistake, you guys are right.
>>45992816
>>45992843
are you literally retarded?
>>46013531
I'm trying to build a deck with the same theme, do you know of any cards like Praetor's Grasp/Mindclaw Shaman/Psychic Intrusion that let you just steal spells from people's hand or deck?
>tfw can't choose between building a fun deck and building a more competitive deck
Gimmicks are fun, but so is playing in a more competitive environment.
>>46014242
Be less of a shitty timmy. Johnny and Spike can have their fun and competitive decks. You're in the #2/#1 Timmy format for fuck's sake!
>>46014452
B-But I want to try and force my playgroup to get better at this game, they had trouble dealing with a Sliver deck and most of the time it's a 1v1 with some random removal thrown around.
So what happens if I have Mirror Gallery and two Niv-Mizzit, DracoGenuis out then ping someone using one of their abilities? Do I draw two cards or one?
So I have a rg deck that's about ramping up to play fatties and eldrazi and I'm not sure who I should put as my commander: Xenagod, Ragenath, or Mina and Denn?
http://deckstats.net/deck-9441203-f3c29d0b1945a06bbe62d83d7179dfc2.html
>>46016937
When a card references their name in it's rules text it is actually referring to 'this card,' not cards with the same name as that card. You will draw one card.
>Whenever Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius deals damage to a player, you may draw a card.
Actually says:
>Whenever THIS CARD deals damage to a player, you may draw a card.
>>45991178
How broken is Prossh
And on another note, how broken are:
Maelstrom Wanderer
Tasigur
Animar
>>46016937
>>46017014
Yeah , when a card recites its name in the text box it usually means "this card" and the exceptions to this rule are obvious and you'll know when you see them
>>46017049
>maelstrom
Cancer
>Tasigur
Political/reanimator, mid powerlevel
>Animar
Combo tier. Will usually make people salty.
>Prossh
Decent, people tend to complain about "on cast" but he's not that incredible. My playgroup's prossh tends to knock one dude out before dying himself.
>>46017049
>Maelstrom Wanderer
Bullshit ramp and spells, never fun to play against and gets boring REAL quick if you build it
>Tasigur
If you want reanimator you could do better, if you play political it can be both interactive and fun to play with and against, would highly recommend at least considering it
>Animar
Its ok, not totally degenerate but can feel a bit lame to go against with the protections, on the upside if you can rid of him and he hasnt won already its quite a setback, so med risk high reward (free morph's too)
>Prossh
I have only every played against 1 prossh player and his entire gameplan revolved around getting food chain out and winning on the spot, the cast trigger will feel bad to play against because you cant do shit about it unless you wanna stile it which also feels bad, also they can really only kill 1 player at a time and when they do it once they become public enemy number 1 and get hated out the game , not too broken but feels shit to be that 1 guy who dies
What's a fun, interactive commander I can run for a budget deck?
>>46017820
Krenko
Goblins are highly interactive
>>46017820
Decks with consistent draw engines are what you want , sharuum might be a good one to start with , the colors themselves promote interaction and encourages powerful artifact tech cards , also can be powered up if you want to invest into it , also you get the play ethersworn adjudicator which is sweet
>>46017393
If your opponent is playing dedicated food chain prossh shouldn't he be killing everyone at once? How can he fail to kill everyone with purphoros/blood artist/goblin bushwhacker? Like ffs he has literally infinite death/etb triggers and you're saying the best he could build into his deck was smacking something with a hasty prossh?
Animar is also combo, he's a dick to play against because he's super uninteractive (thanks pro white/black).
>>45992738
Helm and Clout I already use for nekusar and I'm planning on using Steel on Giest
>>46003916
Angel of Glory Rise, B/W god
>>45995972
>>45996138
>>45995972
>>46005229
>>46017393
>>46017820
>interactive
is interactive the new 'fun'?
>>46018441
A buzzword that means nothing?
Yes.
>>46003941
mogis is harder to remove, but also, easier to ignore
kaervek totally shits on everybody late game after a board wipe, when most of the spot removal is used up.
also kaervek isnt really political suicide unless none of your opponents has removal, which means youre in good shape
if one of your opponents has removal, you can convince them to let you first get as much damage as you can on to everybody else and their creatures
one thing ive done with kaervek is i tapped out for him on turn 5 or 6 with a mana rock or two, knowing full well that somebody would have some sort of answer, but also knowing that we had very little chance of beating this other player at the table who has almost guaranteeed to win next untap.
so i agreed to send all the damage at that player of the next three people's turns, and together we killed him. he was salty as fuuuuuuuck
they killed my kaervek before i untapped but that was good enough, i actually won that game without ever casting kaervek again, kaervek is that impactful though, is my point
>>46018498
I always thought interactive implied it was the opposite of a goodstuff.dec, where instead of rather generic good cards, there was a lot of synergy with both the deck and the commander.
>>46018180
Yeah , he didn't play purphoros and he attempts to win on the spot alot but its always so telegraphed that someone has something to deal with it , especially the one guy who plays the 20 charm deck but he always has an answer to everything
>>46001841
only one reason to run him over zur and thats the table aggro you get when you play zur
if you can convince your playgroup that the deck is mostly casual aura shenanigans, i can guarantee you'll have more fun with zur.
instead all of your deck to making a mediocre commander work, you can devote your deck to fun stuff and actually have a fighting shot and making crazy stuff happen because your commander is an engine instead of a wanker that basically just makes auras cost less for you, with the downside of that only being if hakim is naked in the first place
>>46018623
I always thought interactive meant the same thing here that it did in other formats, that it's about getting an advantage and controlling the game instead of just being laser-focused on a combo. As an example from Modern, Jund is a type of interactive deck since it tries to have a better board state than you and make you discard all the good cards in your hand while beating down, whereas Storm is an un-interactive deck since it only cares about getting into a position where it can play enough spells in one turn to kill you with Grapeshot.
>>46008759
edric
Any thoughts on my Maro tribal deck? The basic goal is to have the biggest hand at the table, and beat people to death with it, with Kaseto as a backup plan if I can't get anything going. Just wondering if I missed anything obvious, or any other effects that draw based on power. The only major one I can think of is Greater Good, but it's a bit out of my budget at the moment (and may end up killing me if my hand is large enough, but I generally consider that a personal victory anyways)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kasetos-big-hands-big-lands-and-big-mans/
>>46018441
No, i think its more that people here have probably played a deck that just tries to combo off and, at least for me, realized how unsatisfying it is in the long term
>>46017820
CHEAP
AS HELL
Lands.dec finally came in today!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/roon-master-of-all-realms/
As soon as the flatmate comes home, it's testing time!
