Are fairies just naturally dumb or something? Like, since they're small, they have small brains, right?
I'd say their capacity to think is up in the air, but they definitely exhibit behavior associated with stupid people
>>45335061
Fey are often considered to be spirits, whose mental capacity is not limited by cranial storage space.
Granted, small spirits tend to be things like the kodama in Princess Mononoke, existing to serve a single purpose and generally lacking a great deal of insight or intelligence.
>>45335061
>Are fairies just naturally dumb or something? Like, since they're small, they have small brains, right?
Elephants, Dolphins and Blue whales all have bigger brains than us and yet you don't see them trapsing around inventing television, wireless internet and posting on 4chan.
Brain size does not correlate to how sophisticated it is or how intelligent it's owner is. It's less about size and more about, like, how it's constructed and so forth.
Like, anything with a Smooth Brain is stupid as shit, while creatures with wrinkled brains are usually pretty fucking intelligent.
>>45335061
Fairies are small, but they're also magic as all hell. They're smart enough, their strange behavior comes mainly from their capriciousness and their familiarity mainly with the dreamlike realm of fairyland.
>>45335061
They aren't dumb. They just lack foresight or an understanding of the concept of consequences.
>>45335141
>posting on 4chan.
One could argue that this isn't exactly a sign of superior intellect
This is what D&D 4e's pixies have to say on the matter of brains.
>Thinking the fey are going to let you know just how smart they are
>>45335239
Fuck I love that flavor text.
>>45335196
That was not the ending I was expecting.
>>45335061
Depends on the setting.
>>45335173
But who needs to be intelligent you are the strongest?
>>45335196
4e can't be as bad as people claim if it has stuff like this.
>>45335196
Brutal
>>45335122
Fairies, not fey. That's like talking about ants when referring to the word "animal".
>>45335061
>Thinking that Fairies can be anything but cunning, tricky, and/or bastardly.
>>45335315
>>45335901
4e Pixies were nasty little fuckers. Made some of the best Rogues, Paladins and Monks in the game (Not to mention various Int or Cha spellcasters)
>>45335061
Depends on setting obviously,
but in pathfinder, yes. INT 6
>>45335061
Does it also mean that they have small guts?
>>45336834
Suprisingly, no. A fairies guts (along with most of their internal organs) exist largely outside our three-dimensional space. Same with the brains, which is why they're considerably more intelligent than you'd expect from a creature of such small size.
"Fairies" as we know them are actually merely projections of extradimensional beings (or being) into our dimension.
>>45335061
Common misconception that brain size both directly and is the only factor in determining the intelligence of an animal. It is a very significant factor, no doubt, but equally (if not more) important is the relative size of the brain to the body of the animal in question. A fairy, with human proportions, under the assumption that their brain takes up as much space in their skulls as in ours, should be about as smart as a human, if scoring a little bit lower than average on a generic IQ test; no more than a 5~15 point difference I would guess.
That said, many animals with lesser brain to body ratios have exhibited sentient and even cognizant behavior, despite not being too different from their more feral cousins (eg crows*, African grey parrots, raccoons).
*Relatively recent studies have begun to confirm that crows are actually much more intelligent than we originally gave them credit for being, some even suggest they can speak.
>>45336902
>*Relatively recent studies have begun to confirm that crows are actually much more intelligent than we originally gave them credit for being, some even suggest they can speak.
Well, this explains a lot. I, for one, suspected it all along.
>>45335196
This is awful. Straight up terrible.
What book would this even be in? At what point would anyone say "Yeah, do you know what we need to waste half a page on? Some dumb story about a guy systematically murdering a fairy and then later on getting murdered by fairies, but those fairies don't do it for revenge, they just do it for fun."
"Why? What does that do for the game?"
"Shut the fuck up. I already wrote the story, now it's going into the book."
>>45336945
>Gives a great look about how the fairies are clearly not just tiny humans with wings
>Waste of space
Fuck back to your safe-zone, faggot. It's not like books have a dedicated limit to the amount of pages in them that can never be passed.
>>45335953
...you have that backwards.
>>45336945
You missed the point entirely
>how does a pixie fly? Well I'll kidnap it and cut it open and analyse it's blood but didn't find anything
Then the pixies say:
>how do humans have such good imagination and ideas? We cut this one open but didn't find out anything
It's poetry anon
>>45337015
>Gives a great look about how the fairies are clearly not just tiny humans with wings
What? How do you even come up with something like that?
The scholar is just as lolsorandom as the pixies are.
If anything, it's supposed to be some failed writer's attempt at writing a grim fairy tale.
>>45337021
You really think someone could miss that? That's likely what the poor writer thought was so clever that he had to insist on it being put into the book.
>>45337049
Tell me all your incredible stories you've written, anon. Show me how superior you are and I might agree. It was mildly entertaining and shows how retarded the D&D world can be when you apply logic to magic.
I can withdraw my former statement, it doesn't really part humans and fairies, but you are some cunt to complain about something taking up "space" when these fuckers pay for every page printed themselves. It's not like the price sky rocketed because of half a page.
>>45336945
because it adds to the world
it gives people a good idea of what fairys are like to help with there roleplaying
because your a gigantic fucking fagot.
>>45337049
thats pretty fucking normal for fairys in most cultures anon nothing to do with randumb.
>>45336902
>A fairy, with human proportions, under the assumption that their brain takes up as much space in their skulls as in ours, should be about as smart as a human
No it shouldn't.
Elephant fish (Mormyridae) have about the same relative brain size compared to body weight as humans. They're a lot smarter than most fish but still not that smart.
It's more just complex than that.
>>45337074
I think you clearly need to read your fairy tales again. Old children's stories are made of this stuff, so a book about fey is definitely the place for such stories.
>>45336902
>some even suggest they can speak.
Are we referring to speaking a human language (not just mimicking the sound, but actually speaking it) or their own language?
Because corvids don't just have their own language, they have their own dialects. That's why you don't with them: They hold grudges and will tell all their friends about you.
>>45335061
What if their small brains and eyes mean they move with the herky-jerky motion of jumping spiders?
>>45335061
Nope
Fairies are not small the same way a bug is small. They exist slightly out of sync with our perceptions of space. They are the same size, if not bigger than us, but translate into our plane as tiny.
>>45337089
>Tell me all your incredible stories you've written, anon. Show me how superior you are and I might agree.
I'm torn, because yes, I do have incredible stories, but sadly, showing you them wouldn't really do anything to directly prove my point. How good a writer I am doesn't influence how good/bad another writer is.
But, if you want to read some of my stuff, you'll find them in just about every screencap thread posted on /tg/. A lot of people seem to like reposting them.
>It was mildly entertaining and shows how retarded the D&D world can be when you apply logic to magic.
No, it's was just stupid. You're right in that it was retarded, but it was retarded because it's just awkward and nonsensical, as if the guy was willing to redefine pixies just so that his little joke could be made.
And it's not that I'm concerned about the amount of paper. It's a waste of space even when text is free. It's a really bad story which might be tolerated on a fanfiction writer's forum, but to hamfist it into a game manual is just obscene.
>>45337109
>it gives people a good idea of what fairys are like to help with there roleplaying
These are awful fairies then. If you introduce fairies like this into your game, ones which casually murder people for fun, and people don't immediately treat them like monsters that need to be exterminated, then something doesn't quite sit right.
Effectively, this story would put Pixies on the same tier as goblins, though people might actually be less inclined to kill goblins because goblins at least a speck of rational thought.
I'd say the best way to treat this story is just as an awful fairy tail, instead of a showcase of pixie psychology.
>>45336944
They are also the only bird known to be capable of 'MERICAing.
>>45336945
>I hate fluff!
>I only rollplay! Never roleplay!
>>45337171
>That's why you don't with them: They hold grudges and will tell all their friends about you.
What if you give them a really good fucking? Will you find yourself with loads of crows pestering you and trying to undo your fly and pants?
>>45337224
I love good fluff. I hate bad fluff.
Attempting to strawman isn't exactly a clever move.
>>45337049
>The scholar is just as lolsorandom as the pixies are.
Right, of course the scholar was just being random. When has anyone in real life ever taken something apart to see how it works? Ridiculous.
>>45337239
would you like to post an example of good fluff senor Shitpoterino?
>>45337247
Live dissection of an intelligent creature is ridiculous.
>>45337228
No, but they WILL slut-shame the one you fucked though.
>>45335061
>Like, since they're small, they have small brains, right?
Whose to say they are small?
Whose to say they aren't GIANTS, who will EAT YOU, WHOLE AND AAAA~LIIIIIIIVEEEEE!!!
>>45335141
>Elephants, Dolphins and Blue whales all have bigger brains than us and yet you don't see them trapsing around inventing television, wireless internet and posting on 4chan.
>On the Internet, no one knows you'rea a Dolphin...
>>45336895
>Suprisingly, no. A fairies guts (along with most of their internal organs) exist largely outside our three-dimensional space. Same with the brains, which is why they're considerably more intelligent than you'd expect from a creature of such small size.
>"Fairies" as we know them are actually merely projections of extradimensional beings (or being) into our dimension.
WHOLE AND AAAA~LIIIIIIIVEEEEE!!!
>>45336902
>*Relatively recent studies have begun to confirm that crows are actually much more intelligent than we originally gave them credit for being, some even suggest they can speak.
Anyone have the Crow Wars story?
>>45337228
Well, if you feed one, they'll tell others you might feed them, so...
>>45337261
Maybe the guy was a fucking sociopathic fuck. It would explain why he was living all the way out alone with only Pixies to talk to.
On account of all the dead prostitutes in his basement he's killed trying to find the one with a golden heart.
>>45337261
We did it on jews, africans and slavs tho.
>>45337283
>live dissection of intelligent creature
>jews, niggers and slavs
Well there's your problem.
>>45337283
And the japanese did it to most of the pacific rim.
>>45337300
The Kaiju were asking for it tho.
>>45337261
>Live dissection
Vivisection.
>>45337193
>and people don't immediately treat them like monsters that need to be exterminated
but they generaly do
most people know better then to trust the fey anon.
this isent redefining them at all this is taking them back to there roots if anything.
>>45337313
>most people know better then to trust the fey anon.
That's a little short of "exterminating them on sight."
>>45336895
> Fairies are a fantasy version of the Orz
Why does that make so much sense?
>>45337313
>around fey prepare to spay
>>45337276
Second...
>>45336945
>>45337049
>>45337074
>>45337193
Surely this is bait. Nobody is this much of an asshole.
>>45337074
>>45337049
>>45337193
>>45337261
So, from an analytical point of view, this is clearly intended to be a morality tale in the form of a fairy tale. Now, fairy tales are very very rarely anything following a point of logic, and if you think this level of violence is absurdist then you clearly don't read a whole ton of them. Many of them make far less logical sense than this, and explain far less, like "AND THEN HE SKINNED HIM ALIVE, CUT OUT HIS LIVER, AND THREW HIS EVISCERATED CORPSE INTO THE VILLAGE WELL! The moral is DON'T LET YOUR DAUGHTER TALK TO ONE EYED DWARVES!" Absurdity is a common addition to fairy tales of antiquity.
The second important thing to understand is that this story is using the human and pixies as stand ins for some greater issue. In this case, it's a bard talking about how a human uses logic and science to try and analyze the shit out of everything when some answers -are- just that simple. The scholar cuts open a pixie (the reason why a person would do something so cruel and ridiculous is irrelevant. This is a fairy tale. Cruel and absurd are par for the course) trying to find the answer to why the pixie is capable of flight. He analyzes it, then finds a whole lot of ridiculous nonsense which he pulls out of his ass. It's worth noting the pixie's answer is simple and short and beautiful, and also talks about the power of personal song. Something that would be very important to the bard telling the story.
Eventually this guy, who overanalyzes everything and ended up understanding very little comes across some pixies, and tells them all the bullshit findings he came up with. He lets them know the source of his imagination is his brain. In a reversal, the fairies, who take it for granted that they're made of song, figure this guy must be made of ideas, bust his head open, and instead of coming up with anything fanciful or beautiful, find the dude's brain and are like "wow, this is lame." -cont.
>>45337193
>and people don't immediately treat them like monsters that need to be exterminated
Who said this wasn't the case?
Reminder that in the original book, when Tinker Bell first met Wendy she was so jealous of her, she tried to get her killed.
>>45337497
- cont. The point here is, that the story isn't about "lol fairiessorandumb" the story is about some bard being bitter at scholars (LIKE ME IRONICALLY) breaking things down art to its component parts to figure out how it works, instead of just accepting it for how it is. In this case, the art gets direct literal revenge, and is disappointed by the results of taking apart a man to find his inspiration.
>>45337261
Vivisection of criminals was relatively common for a while
>>45337497
>>45337521
Or its just fairy's are arsehole avoid them.
But both are perfectly acceptable readings and we can both agree the guy sperging about not liking the story is a gigantic fucking fagot.
>>45337276
Go away fake-ND. You're not fooling anybody.
>>45337183
Now I want to play as a spider-person who uses his extra arms for sick-assliterally killer percussion solos.
>>45337521
Did you write the story?
Is that why you're so upset that someone doesn't like your first attempt at writing a "dark" fairy tail?
It's a poorly written bit of nonsense that I'd be hardpressed to grade above a C- if one of my college students submitted it to me. I would have thrown a B to the child if it was submitted in highschool, but it's definitely not something a professional writer should take pride in.
>>45336902
No that is fucking stupid, there is a constraint based on size, eventually the complexity of the network is hindered by physical limits. You simply can't fit as much shit in a bird sized brain as you can in a human brain, you can't fucking downsize molecules and that is a limit that will spread further up the chain.
>>45337583
Hell I'm pretty sure nd does not even like vore.
>>45337445
It's Virt or someone doing an impression of him.
>>45337662
>pretending you're anyone of slight credential or importance
You're a whiny bitch on the internet.
>>45337384
I desperately want this to be true.
>>45337740
I think you are either exaggerating or you never met Virt.
>>45335953
You got it backwards matey
>>45337497
>>45337521
I'm doubtful that's what the author was going for but it's a pretty cool interpretation.
>>45337662
>I don't like it therefore it is bad objectively.
You are the type of teacher, if you even really are one, that fails students because they disagree with your interpretation of a book.
>>45337702
Crows are incredibly smart, though, despite having braisn the size of a walnut. They have extremely good memories, can communicate complex concepts to each other, and are actually better at counting than an untaught human (sure, you can't tech a crow to solve complex equations, but a crow is actually better at math than some person has has never been taught math).
>>45337720
He doesn't, If there's one thing ND is is constantly talk about his fetishes, and those don't include vore.
>>45335061
>Are fairies just naturally dumb or something? Like, since they're small, they have small brains, right?
No, size isn't really a factor in fae intelligence, they do tend to be simple minded though, if only because they represent very limited concepts filtered through dream and poetic thought
>>45337188
>>45336895And now I'm getting flash backs to Frakass's vore faeries for some reason, though that would explain alot how they can do it though
>>45337193
>I'm torn, because yes, I do have incredible stories, but sadly, showing you them wouldn't really do anything to directly prove my point. How good a writer I am doesn't influence how good/bad another writer is.
>I have stories but I ain't gonna post them, you have to trust me
I think you're just a troll
>These are awful fairies then. If you introduce fairies like this into your game, ones which casually murder people for fun, and people don't immediately treat them like monsters that need to be exterminated, then something doesn't quite sit right.
So how fairies were historically before disney got it's hands on them?
>>45337357
Surprisingly it's a somewhat common theory among the craziest of the UFO crazies that fairies, aliens, demons, and other things of that nature are "Ultraterrestrials" fragments of a single being (or handful of beings) projected into our dimension
>>45337720
He doesn't, he is fine with unbirth/assimilation that leads to TFing into a fat lesbian but not vore
>>45337753
It probably is, crows are pretty easy to provoke in mass if you keep in mind how smart they are and how good their memory is
>>45337871
>I like it so any criticism is just purely subjective whining
Adorable.
>>45337927
>It probably is, crows are pretty easy to provoke in mass if you keep in mind how smart they are and how good their memory is
As much as I agree with that, I don't really think crows started to fight each other massively in a crow war where most of them died and then all the survivors went together to McDonalds to eat fries and celebrate victory with their human Emperor.
>>45337927
>And now I'm getting flash backs to Frakass's vore faeries for some reason, though that would explain alot how they can do it though
Frakass's vore-fairies don't actually work like that, although that's an easy mistake to make. Namely because he had vore-elves that work like that (there's like three different kinds of vore-elves in his setting; giant-sized ones, normal-sized ones with super-elastic stomachs and tiny fairy-sized ones who actually mostly exist in another dimension and can thus swallow far larger things than their seemingly tiny physical size would suggest). The fairies are just very stretchy and can swallow a person whole, although rarely do so. They also come in giant version that are a few times taller than a person (that can also eat you because at this point it should be clear that everything want to kill you).
...Um, don't aks why I know all this.
>>45337886
That isn't the argument. He is saying size doesn't matter but it definetely does: you can't have a brain with the same capacities of a human brain fit but marble-sized.
"Oh but a few capabilities do exist in those tiny heads" is not an argument against that, that is like saying because my calculator can do the same as the windows calc that it's possible to fit a 10 thousand dollar rig into the size of a pocket calculator, one thing does not prove the other at all
>>45337854
As a student of literature, I have been told many times that authorial intent can suck a dick. (despite the fact that scholars constantly use authorial intent in their interpretations)
>>45338257
Oh god I fucked up this post so hard, better go to sleep.
>>45338072
For an english teacher you sure have shitty reading comprehension.
>>45338257
>you can't have a brain with the same capacities of a human brain fit but marble-sized.
>Fairy
>Limited by skull size
You dumb anon
>>45338257
>fit a 10 thousand dollar rig into the size of a pocket calculator
Challenge accepted
It may require some time travel and clever use of exchange rates but there must be a way.
Maybe just destroy supply to drive demand and therefore price up.
>>45335953
>faerie
>literally "realm of fae"
>faerie is to fae as people is to person
>>45338332
Wouldent that be faerie is to fae as city is to person or something.
>>45338294
True enough, but I was arguing against the point that "size is not a a constraint at all" not that magical fairies can't be magically smart. But then again, my fairies are eldritch abominations that only look somewhat acceptable in this reality if not examined from up close, and them being "playful" usually ends with them opening holes in reality or kidnapping humans to turn into toys.
>>45338257
The thing is that you're assuming that the human brain structure is the most efficient set up possible, when it comes to size.
It's quite possible for at smaller brain to be more efficient, and thereby equally intelligent.
>>45338289
You tried to set up a strawman.
You're also pretending that subjectivity excuses poor writing.
How else is someone to interpret your post outside of that you allow your questionable tastes to compel you to awkwardly and inanely defend the indefensible? You try to drag the discussion down to subjective screeching simply because you don't have any other legs to stand on, but are emotionally compelled to try anyway.
The story isn't good. You'd have some difficulty finding a story that bad in any decent magazine, and it's that kind of shoddy writing that would turn people away from a game, rather than intrigue them to play. It's a story which stumbles over itself, which is amusing because it's only a few paragraphs long and still tries to do ten different things while failing miserably at each. It's an empty fairy tail devoid of any charm or wit aside from what you'd find superficially. it's an awful introduction to the pixie race that fluffs them as the sort of creatures that players would hate and terrible DMs would love, it tries mimicking the teaching of several morals and instead winds up struggling to reveal such secrets as "don't be a psychopath" and "casual murder happens" while each part of the story undermines the next.
It's a silly story that you can certainly like, but that just reflects that you like stories that aren't good.
>>45338499
Would making a brain that is very small but as smart as a human's challenge the fact that the cell size and molecule size are hard constraints and that you eventually hit a brick wall?
And even if you could run this really efficient brain, it is unlikely one the size of a marble could hit the same intelligence as a human brain. Fuck I'd go as far as to say it is impossible, specially considering this is a goddamn 3d space and you are increasing - volume - so the difference between sizes is even more pronounced. Regardless of the capability to match up with certain functions it is unlikely to match up to the whole product.
I made the calculator comparison, but there is a definitive difference: we can enhance the efficiency of the circuit but we can also fit more and more transistors into smaller spaces which is what effectively drives forward the growth of processing power. The same can't be said for molecules and neurons unless you are going for some really alien (in the different and strange sense) biology and chemistry.
>>45338634
>You tried to set up a strawman.
Your grasp of intersubjectivity is lacking son.
>ITT: anons childishly calling names to each other with fancy words to not look so childish
>>45337193
>I do have incredible stories
No, no you don't. The moment, the very instant, you as an artist of any kind, think that your productions are good, you've failed. Either post and be judged or gtfo.
>>45337662
Was the assignment: write a dark fairy tale? Then yeah, they might deserve a C+. But its not, it just some flavor text that is meant to show how this particular brand of fairies act. As a story it has very good flow: Slow when they meet, fast when he's researching, slow when he meets more fairies, and finally fast when they kill him. If the assignment was flavor text then this gets a solid A+.
>>45338847
>SWORDSWORDSWORDS
Damned Fairies are making the anons fight amongst themselves. This is what OP's plan was all along, obviously.OP is probably a damned dirty Pixie.
>>45335061
they have under-average wisdom scores to reüpresent that fae-like beeings are completely different from humans, dwarfs or even elves.
Their whole worldview is strange from us, very emotional and/or living in the moment
>>45338983
>If the assignment was flavor text then this gets a solid A+.
For a middle schooler? Even then I'd be hesitant. because I wouldn't want to encourage them to think that writing about a guy cutting apart a living pixie when asked to write about fairies is anything other than senseless. I'm not easily impressed by that sort of thing, especially when it's done purely for the sake of some unfunny joke.
And, for a high schooler? Or above? It's a chilling thought to think that there are people out there who don't laugh themselves silly at how this little story was supposed to be used to provide flavor for the race, and I have a very hard time imagining the child successfully arguing his case above a C at best. Awkward and without a drop of deep thinking behind it, but he deserves some points for taking some risks and keeping it mercifully brief.
Decisively mediocre, an average student in the worst sense of that phrase. I would wonder how he managed to get into my class to begin with.
>>45335061
Let's ask her by feeding her cookies.
>>45339248
>>45338634
Wasn't going to say anything but then I refreshed the page and there was more of this shit.
I genuinely hope you're not any sort of teacher. You have a disgusting amount of condescension and smugness that is punchable at best.
8/10 you got me a decent bit upset at the thought that people like the person you're pretending to be might exist, but then you blew it with the second post; you got greedy and came on a little too strong.
I hope for your sake this is bait and you're giggling at people falling for it instead of not only holding but actually expressing this opinion in full view of other people.
So how would you feel if faeries came to live in your house?
Never played 4th edition, how would a pixie paladin be a good thing? Auras?
>>45339412
Can they live in my pants?
>>45339248
>Literally: "I find this contrary to my tastes so it is subjectively bad"
Teachers that do this are complete shit at their jobs. As a composition instructor, you are worried about how the story flows, thematic inconsistencies, good dialogue, etc. If you hate love stories and somebody comes to you with a 2 page romance draft, that's too fucking bad.
>Obviously you're going to disagree with be because you're a fucking idiot so why don't you post what you consider to be a well written short story.
>>45335061
>Underestimating fey
No you should totally do that, there is absolutely nothing that could ever go wrong.
>>45339430
>Can they live in my pants?
>YFW no tiny fairy girlor boy if that's your thingthat's come to live in your house
>YFW on cold days it's taken to finding the warmest spot to curl up in
>YFW the warmest spot ends up being on your crotch and now you keep finding a tiny fairy burrowing it's way into your pants
>YFW you feel it's tiny, soft body squirming on your dick or gently massaging your balls
>YFW it feels delightfully tortuous,after the first "accident" it enchanted you to be unable to cum
>>45338274
I'll tell you who can suck a dick.
Roland Barthes.
Stripping a work of it's authorial intent is like reading an abridged version.
You miss the context which caused the story to come into being in the first place, and instead put speculative interpretation on a pedestal.
>>45337753
It probably isn't, not because crows aren't that smart but because they're way smarter.
They would realize what he's doing and all sit by the grass.
>>45339338
There's really little reason not to be smug or condescending.
You don't agree? That's fine. I've long since come to terms with that there will always be people like you in any public forum, and they may even make up the majority of most.
Put in a way you can understand, you've either got very low standards, or have some undue attachment to that particularly story. Either one makes you deserving of ridicule, and your cries of "Stop being such a meany" mean nothing to me if you're still trying to defend that story as anything other than a throwaway accident of text that might amuse s child, or mental child, and hardly anyone else.
I mean, damn son, we're not talking about a literary masterpiece here. It's hardly the quality you'd expect to read coming from any editor that would have a second choice.
>>45339440
>As a composition instructor, you are worried about how the story flows, thematic inconsistencies, good dialogue, etc.
Did you miss my explanation of the thematic inconsistencies that makes the short story hobble like a cripple? Why insist on pretending that any criticism against this wreck of a story is purely subjective? Is it because your own subjective tastes override your discernment, and make you blind and deaf to what people are telling you? Propping up strawmen because you can't even look at an opinion contrary to your own?
It's a bad story by every metric. At least the author had their spell check on.
>>45339412
Tell them to fuck off. They might lethally prank me or recruit me for some planetary defense force.
>>45339575
Thanks for going the extra mile, now I know you were merely pretending. Have a nice day, and enjoy that brief, warm, postcoital glow of having made someone notice you.
>>45339515
Goddammit I was hoping you orgasm denial people had gone away.
>>45339647
If that's really what you're reduced to, that's fine.
You're so upset, that your last recourse is to try and mark me as a troll, an ad hominem, because you literally have nothing left.
Such dishonesty is embarrassing, which is exactly why I will shame you by calling you out on it.
Just admitting you understand the story is bad but that you like it anyway would have been a far more sensible tactic, which is likely why it escaped you. Sensible ideas seem rather alien to you.
Personally, I feel that the brain is just a conduit for the soul, and it's the soul that has knowledge. If the brain is damaged or imbalanced, then it can't channel information to and from the soul.
Fay have huge souls and magic brains. They are super smart.
>>45339735
>Goddammit I was hoping you orgasm denial people had gone away.
I've seen people have an issue with vore, femdom, /ss/, and furrys, but this is new
Something happen?
>>45337521
>>45337497
>and if you think this level of violence is absurdist then you clearly don't read a whole ton of them.
Man, people have no idea how dark german fairytales are, jesus fuck.
>my fucking face after reading Der Struwwelpeter or Max und Moritz as a kid
>>45337152
>>45337702
Don't assert a claim on top of a general statement. Just as the size of the brain in it's self isn't he only deciding factor of intellect, the relative size of the brain is also just one of many factors. The body in question, environmental influences, the shame and distribution of the brain, as well as the kind of brain-mater/structure in question are all very important and intricate factors. Fish, generally, have brains mostly dedicated to motor-functions/large cerebellums, and almost no logic-centers to speak of.
There are also tons of examples of tiny animals being able to speak, solve logic-puzzles, do math, etc. In most cases the individual animals are exceptional specimens of course, but it stands to reason that fairies wouldn't fundamentally have to be dumber than a human.
You're right in saying that the smaller they get the less likely it is that they'd be intelligent, but even intelligence comes in a multitude of distributions, values, and definitions; like how some animal's couldn't be expected to speak or solve a logic puzzle, but build exceedingly intricate domiciles out of raw materials.
If we were to say a fairies were one foot / thirty or so centimeters tall, with human-like bodies and brains, it wouldn't be a real stretch to make them as intelligent as a human; with a few allowances of body/brain/setting even fully so.
>>45339752
Meh. I just personally strongly dislike it. It seems an unpleasant fantasy, frustrating scenarios that might otherwise be interesting to me.
I accept that my opinion is of little worth.
>>45339851
> the shape* and distribution
ITT: /tg/ trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls
>>45335061
Uh... a whale has a larger brain than a human, but it doesn't make it more smarter. Right?
...r-right?
>>45336902
And surface area! Don't forget surface area! Our brains are wrinkly!
>>45339641
Thematic inconsistencies? The only comments you've made pertaining to the actual content of the story is about you distaste for the vivisection of pixies, which I can understand since people are vastly different. However, other than that, everything else you've posted has been mindless drivel with no substance.
Either admit your bias and leave or actually bring some intelligent arguments to the table.
>For a "teacher" who should be at work right now, you are doing some pretty heavy posting
>>45339851
>Fish, generally, have brains mostly dedicated to motor-functions/large cerebellums, and almost no logic-centers to speak of.
You are right, but you are making the unfounded assumption that the cerebellum itself can not take on new functions. Mormyridae have a highly modified cerebellum where the vavula cerebelli has evolved into something very morphologically similar to the neocortex, and are theorized to have alternative logic-centers.
All I claimed was that what determines intelligence in animals is much more complex than simply relative brain size. Something you agree with.
>If we were to say a fairies were one foot / thirty or so centimeters tall, with human-like bodies and brains, it wouldn't be a real stretch to make them as intelligent as a human; with a few allowances of body/brain/setting even fully so.
It would be quite a stretch. It's not entirely impossible, mind you but it is somewhat unlikely.
It's still fantasy however and there is nothing to suggest that their brain structure would even be similar. Also they're fucking magic.
>>45339981
If you're not even going to pretend to read my posts, I don't understand why you insist on pretending you can argue on them.
Is your hope to just tire me out by forcing me to repeat myself? Or, is it the more obvious case of you being less interested in actually making a point, and are more interested in just getting some sort of last word in?
Luckily, copy-paste exists.
> It's a story which stumbles over itself, which is amusing because it's only a few paragraphs long and still tries to do ten different things while failing miserably at each. It's an empty fairy tail devoid of any charm or wit aside from what you'd find superficially. it's an awful introduction to the pixie race that fluffs them as the sort of creatures that players would hate and terrible DMs would love, it tries mimicking the teaching of several morals and instead winds up struggling to reveal such secrets as "don't be a psychopath" and "casual murder happens" while each part of the story undermines the next.
Do you really need me to go any further describing exactly why the story is terrible? You seem intent on going through every sort of fallacy you can commit, running from strawman to ad hominem to simply trying to run your opponent out of stamina, and at that point we're not having a discussion, you are just laboriously making a fool of yourself trying to defend a story a fifteen-year old could have written and only a fifteen-year old would be proud of.
Let me settle this for you, so you don't run off with your ego in tact just so you can argue like this in the future. You've got bad taste and bad sense, and it's better that you hear it now before you parade your opinions anywhere except an anonymous message board. If you had a "lump of soft gray stuff" in your skull, you'd have long since recognized such a bastardization of a fairy tail and such a aimless mess of lore isn't worth defending, and certainly not under the criteria that is should be evaluated as a published work.
>>45340240
>empty fairy tale
It's not a fairy tale
>devoid of wit and charm
Was there supposed to be wit and charm in the story?
I'm glad the thread now knows what a glorious faggot you are. Only spergs and autismo maximos actually use the terms for logics fallacies on a Manchurian dating forum. Some of us have been posting on our lunch breaks and have to get back to actually fucking working.
>>45340406
You seem confused. A bastardization of a fairy tail isn't quite the same thing as a fairy tail.
Also, I'm glad you're not senseless enough to argue that it's not devoid of wit and charm. Smart move, as is your decision to back down, even if you had to throw an ad hom and a "Well, I wasn't really being serious" in right before it.
I understand that you have to do what you can to protect your fragile ego, but at least don't be so transparent about it.
>>45340240
>people will respect my opinion if I use big words and pretend to copy paste things that were literally never posted in the thread
>there's no way my foolhardy opponents will follow the conveniently located ladder of nested post links throughout this conversation!
Luckily copy paste exists. Here's another one of your posts in greentext.
>hello I am critic Anon and on a scale of one to ten I would grade my own cock as a mediocre c-, which is coincidentally my final grade in grad school English which is why I now teach high school and do my best to make students miserable by acting with the same harsh critique leveled at me by the PHDs that called me an arrogant self important jizzrag all those years ago. Maybe the Internet cares.
Pretty sure it was four or five of your posts back. Everyone else saw it right?
>>45340461
>people will respect my opinion if I use big words
Is English your second language?
> and pretend to copy paste things that were literally never posted in the thread
>>45338634
>Everyone else saw it right?
Your cute but pathetic attempt at strawmanning?
You made quite a fool of yourself, and I recommend that you learn how to argue with actual thought behind your words, rather than relying on pure malice to fuel your arguments.
>>45340450
>a bastard child isn't the same thing as a child
Lolwut
Also, for being oh-so-intelligent, you haven't realized the most important point that I tried to convey to you: YOU'RE ARGUING ON FUCKING 4CHAN
>>45339893
It's not just the size of the brain, but how you use it (or rather, how it's built). Whales are quite intelligent animals, but whereas humans have significant amount of our brains to things like abstract thinking and language, whales have much of their brains devoted to deciphering the results of their echolocation signals and turning it into a three-dimensional map of their surroundings.
>>45340582
> YOU'RE ARGUING ON FUCKING 4CHAN
Not that guy, but Isn't arguing the point of 4chan, or at least /tg/'s point?
>>45336214
Fighters too incidentally.
Being able to stand inside your opponent's space was incredibly fucking handy.
>>45335061
they probably seem simple because they are either the embodiment of childhood, or a child's dream. children are, for the most part, simple.
>>45335196
That was terrible. Where the fuck did this shit come f-
>4e
Oh that explains it.
Faries are magical creatures. There's no way for them to fly upright with just back wings.
They're the same as "awakened" animals or talking magical items or various magical servants or most intelligent undead.
>>45340702
No, /tg/means togets shit done.
/v/ is where it's nothing but arguements.
>>45340856
Well that clearly means they have some kind of stabilising "front wings" which are invisible to human eyes.
>>45341069
I prefer to think that the wings are just radiators or antenna for natural flight spells.
How would one even test for that? Detect magic with lots of ranks in spellcraft to analyze the results?
>>45337283
Sauce on that please, that looks hilarious and I'd love to know if there's more to go with it.
>>45337384
Thank you!
>>45337583
>Go away fake-ND. You're not fooling anybody.
...Wha?
>>45337720
>Hell I'm pretty sure nd does not even like vore.
I'm not, BUT GOD DAMN IT KARBO!!!
>>45337886
>He doesn't, If there's one thing ND is is constantly talk about his fetishes, and those don't include vore.
At least not traditional vore...
>>45337927
>He doesn't, he is fine with unbirth/assimilation that leads to TFing into a fat lesbian but not vore
Exactly!
>And now I'm getting flash backs to Frakass's vore faeries for some reason, though that would explain alot how they can do it though
>>45338166
>Frakass's vore-fairies don't actually work like that
Karbo's do though.
>>45341965
I thought Karbo just had everything be stupidly huge compared to humans.
>>45342325
>I thought Karbo just had everything be stupidly huge compared to humans.
Most of his Monster Girls were, but the Fairies were special; They had Size Magic, they could change their size and shrink others down for eating.
>>45335061
Fairies aren't dumb, you baka.
Ghosts, skeletons, and elementals have no brain at all, and yet I haven't seen a retarded Lich yet.
With magic, brains are just a convenient thing to attach a mind to, rather than the actual seat of the mind.
>>45335061
They're crafty, but they lack foresight
>>45339104
Man fucking fey.
>>45342528
>They had Size Magic, they could change their size and shrink others down for eating.
Huh, I didn't know that, I just figured they were huge like everything else
>>45342552
Cirno's the dumbest of them all
>>45335196
I like it! I want more!
>>45347007
Go read 4e then
>>45335901
This is a bit of a tangent, but people were literally just always pissed off that they thought they were getting D&D, but got a Final Fantasy Tactics style boardgame with a skill check system glued to it instead.
For many years, most of the arguments really were just half-assed rationalizations of that anger, and most of the more popular ones have since fallen out of favour.
Mostly from when the people using them had finally finished taking their sweet time noticing that their edition warring attempts weren't being taken seriously by anyone who really knew anything about the game.
The last arguments standing are the ones with a bit of meat on them:
"I think per-encounter abilities are unrealistic,"
"the art reminds me of World of Warcraft,"
and "Power Cards make everything look the same, and using one standardized format to represent lots of different things is bad (for some reason, which is generally ill-explained.)"
I was always just sorta lukewarm on 4e.
To me the issue was always the fact that it relies on establishing a set of pre-determined "good and useful actions" for everyone, rather than letting you freely describe what you do and giving you the ability to turn that into rules somehow.
But then again, that argument could be used against most versions of D&D - it's just more obvious in 4e.
To me it just fit more into the "board game" sort of slot, and I'd rather play a D&D 4e dungeon than running my 47th game of Arkham Horror.
But 4e actually did occasionally have some really cool fluff bits. And a lot less verbose filler nonsense in-between.
I also really liked that they just split elves into "Nature Elves" and "Magic Elves." I fucking hate the whole sun/moon/star/angel/wank/wild/chocolate/brown/black elves thing you otherwise get with D&D.
>>45350021
>I fucking hate the whole sun/moon/star/angel/wank/wild elves thing
Fair.
>I fucking hate the whole chocolate/brown/black elves thing
U wot? If humans can have a half dozen races most easily described by skin tone, what's wrong with elves being the same way?
>>45350148
Humans are one race in D&D. Colour is fluff.
This thread has convinced me I want nothing to do with 4e or its fans.
>>45350170
I mean race as in how we define it in the real world, not how it's defined in LotR and its derivatives.
>>45350220
That has nothing to do with what you replied to.
>>45350272
The second I read "I fucking hate the whole sun/moon/star/angel/wank/wild/chocolate/brown/black elves thing you otherwise get with D&D." everything else left my mind as my brain filled with fuck. There's literally nothing wrong with light, brown, and black elves.
>>45350323
But the argument is about mechanical race.
Feed cookies to Syrup until she stops feeling like being a railroading GM.
>>45350323
I was heavy-handedly implying that I hate the idea that every possible skin colour shade had to be a different race.
>>45350412
in the mechanical sense of the word race, which is the only thing I've referred to in any of my posts.
>>45350412
How else would skin color work?
>>45350471
D&D race isn't based on skin color. It's based on game mechanics designed to represent the natural advantages of mythical folk.
>>45350495
This
>>45350531
Who cares about that? That has no meaning in D&D
>>45350531
You're fishing really hard man. You're the only person talking about race in that sense. That's all you.
>>45350542
>all D&D settings are the same
>all games that have more than one kind of elf are D&D
>>45350570
I'm trying to think about worldbuilding here, albeit slowly as I'm sleepy as fuck. It always bothered me that humans have a bunch of races, or sub-races if we're going to make things less confusing, but elves and dwarves either do not or their sub-races are so different that they have entirely different mechanics, and are therefore considered a race proper in the D&D/LotR sense.
>>45350712
>I'm trying to think about worldbuilding here, albeit slowly as I'm sleepy as fuck. It always bothered me that humans have a bunch of races, or sub-races if we're going to make things less confusing, but elves and dwarves either do not or their sub-races are so different that they have entirely different mechanics, and are therefore considered a race proper in the D&D/LotR sense.
Elves have almost always had many cosmetic differences between them. It wasn't until much later that this was given any mechanical merit. Dwarves too have been described as varying from swarthy to fair.
>>45350712
The best way to represent those mostly aesthetic differences is by mentioning in some short text blurb that races exists in various visually-different variations depending mostly on the geographic origins of their ancestry.
Which is something you'll find in a lot of settings.
Creating subraces in the D&D tradition, with different ability score bonuses and class features, is just clutter.
Plus, in the specific example of elves, the million-and-one-subraces thing isn't really what most people see as "core" to the fictional idea of "elves" in a more abstract way. It's an addition to, rather than a distillation of, the elf as a concept.
Which is fine, but I don't think I'm the only one who thinks those minor differences that you still have to track just make the game more complex without adding much interesting depth, and strays from the enjoyably iconic and into something that feels like it belongs in a 13 year old girl's fanfiction.
>>45350712
>>45351023
Why are there so many kinds of elves?
>>45353026
Because at their core every elf is a beautiful unique snowlflake. They are so great that you simply cannot treat them as a race.
