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In the last thread we saw one Anon's attempt at painting, we educated a 40k player wanting to get into 30k, Mastodons are hard to build, the RSs are getting transfer sheets, IWfags can get very hungry, Magnus's local toaster molesters' color scheme is now known, Inferno has been delayed, and we saw pics from Opening Day plus much more in the last thread >>48314792
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Strawpoll links: http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
>>48322648
Golden Rules of Forge World
1. We don't know what an "editor" is
2. You guys like multi-parts right? What about multi-multi-parts?
3. Inferno is delayed
First for toxic chainaxes
>>48322687
At least Inferno's not going to end up like Half Life 3. The Siege of Terra book will be like that.
>shoot my left side not my right side
Third for Deredeos becoming quite scary, skull automata looking awesome and not using Iron Warriors as a step
>>48322704
>implying
>>48322704
Slow down, from the floor:
>It might get even slower. They may split Dark Angels and Blood Angels, and may or may not (at least entirely) focus on Thramas and/or Signus, it's still a bit undecided. They have ideas, especially for some non BL stuff ala Retribution for both.
>>48322708
>Warning
>Iron Warrior terminator, possibly very hungry
>Weakspots: right vambrace and greave
>Using face as a step is allowed
Another titbit from B&C
>Biggest thing on Custodes I heard was "Don't convert anything you have now. Non of the weapons or armour types will be anything like it"
Curious. Would go against all their artwork so far (bolters on the halberds) if true.
And a pic taken by somebody that bought the skitecutor upgrade sets.
And the other one.
>>48322715
>>48322727
But why?
>>48322763
>"Don't convert anything you have now. Non of the weapons or armour types will be anything like it"
FW changing something that's been around for ages because of raisins? That's a first.
Repostan, might work for mechanicum bases or too elfy?
>>48322816
because the HH series is a cashcow they plan on milking for at least 10 more years
then we get the scouring , which will probably be even better 2bh
>>48322305
The runes aren't necessarily elvish, so that could be an option, certainly. You may want to add some more Egyptian iconography in addition though, but they are gorgeous bases.
I'm using their "Meteor" style bases, wanted to create a more void-warfare styled AL list, as if they're attacking a moon or asteroid.
>>48322876
Quite elfy. Which is good, meaning your bots killed those elves.
>>48322876
They look great, with a different paintjob those can easily look less elfy and more warpy.
>>48322763
custodes will get fancy bolterhalberds.
also it shouldve been pretty obvious that their armor would be very different looking, they might even be taller than marines. its basically just FW saying 'no random open day, retard you cant convert a calth marine into custodes'
i want to see their rules
>>48322763
How can you have power armor and bolters unlike any other?
>>48322991
>custodes will get fancy bolterhalberds
This can only mean their bolters will be Assault 2 weapons.
I think they'll have Auric armour (be wounded on no better than a 3+) and their bolters will be Rending like Dorn's.
Also WS/BS5
>>48323072
Custodes will have 2+/2++
>>48322991
They will probably be stupid expensive, think mini independent characters. Wouldn't be surprised if they where 30-40 ppm
>>48323088
yeah i agree with all of that. theyll probably have 3 attacks base, since the weapon is 2 handed. 2 wounds, 2+4++. and FW will probably end up giving them ap2 at i5 or something crazy since FW wants to sell kits
>>48323095
>thallax cost 40
>fml
>>48323095
Deathshroud are a unit made entirely out of characters. Command squads should be characters too, though
>>48323072
As in, with lot of bling bling?
>Nothing but conversion bits and shit we've seen before
The disappointment is real
>>48323095
yeah theyll probably be 2W terminator equivalent. i could see them getting up to like 60ppm if they give them ap2 at initiative
>>48323149
>yeah theyll probably be 2W terminator equivalent.
But then how would your naked WE sgt kill them? :^)
I hope Valdor is a w6 2+/3++ smashfucker
>>48322687
>Inferno is delayed
????????????????
>>48323172
obviously custodes will have to be t3 so my inductii sergeant can ID him with his free chainaxe :^)
>>48322991
Somebody near me asked Alan Bligh if they were going to make Prospero Spireguard Rough Riders.
Alan Bligh looked at the guy like he just whipped out his dick. I laughed when he replied with "Horses in space?"
>>48323129
>2+4++
Nah. Almost certainly universal 2+ but invul saves would likely be upgrades capped at 5+ outside of terminators and characters.
>>48323252
That makes sense . But will their better Cataphractii have 3++? Or some way of getting squads with 3++ the same Saladmancers and Fist do?
>>48323244
kek alan bligh rules
>>48323252
honestly the rules should be that way but FW has been throwing around invuln saves like crazy so nothing would surprise me.
>>48323281
>That makes sense . But will their better Cataphractii have 3++? Or some way of getting squads with 3++ the same Saladmancers and Fist do?
Shields? Makes sense for the guards of the emperor to have access to shields. What I would like to see more than anything though is tons of wargear options and individual customizability.
>Can give any individual model invul saves
>Can give any individual model better weapons
>Can give any individual model guns
So if you had say a unit of 10 you could say get 3 dudes with a 3++ and throw them in front to absorb fire, give 5 dudes better melee weapons, and give the champion the best of everything for challenges.
After all custodes were much more custom built than marines.
>>48322690
Nobody cared who I was until I started handing out +1Str
>>48323386
I'm not sure about shields for custodes. Custodes fight alone rather than with their comrades, so they wouldn't exactly be forming shieldwalls. If they do get them I'd think it'd be more like a personal buckler than the big slab shields the astartes use.
>>48323391
It's actually quite amazing how little people have taken note of chainaxes as long as 30k has been a thing. I can't think of a single time anyone has even mentioned them until this book came out.
>>48322687
>3. Inferno is delayed
FUCK
Aside from Wolves' special Destroyers and Sons' psychic assassins, do we know anything else about the things they are getting?
>>48323449
Thunderwolf riders are confirmed
>>48323386
Do away with the "ALL models must X". Good idea.
They say several Custodes operated as assassins/infiltrators...does this mean we will see Custodes in carapace?Or in oiled abs? :^)
>>48323449
Nope. FW staff was super secretive.
What a fucking weird day. The best part of today are the space wolf fans blowing a gasket because they feel mistreated.
>Hurr hurr fuck dem new knight heads, gief space wulf heads
>>48323436
I think the idea is so they can protect the emperor from enemy fire, so if a bunch of xenos or something started shooting at him during the early crusade they could form a wall to protect him.
>>48323472
No one getting speshul Destroyers could ever feel mistreated.Maybe chainaxes were buffed because SW's didn't want shitty weapons? As in, the upgrade was intended for SWs, not WEs
>>48323472
just wait until the book comes out and SW dont have stupidly OP rules and like 12 special units
>NOT FAIR. FUCKING FW MADE ME WAIT FOR THIS
>WHY DOES FW HATE SPACE WOLFS
>WHY DOES MECHANICUM EXIST WHEN SPACE WOLVES DONT EVEN HAVE 12 SPECIAL UNITS
>WHY CANT MY WHOLE ARMY JUST BE THUNDERWOLF CALVARLY LIKE I PLAY IN 40K
its gonna be priceless
>>48323527
>The Hour of the Wolf
>>48323539
wait a minute. the ultramarines have a character named fucking remus vent-anus?
I'm painting "fanatic church warrior" black templars, but no regular gw minis really have enough grimdark/zealous ornate armour that'd make me a good commander/termie squad.
Forge world recommendations? Was considering emp. Children phoenix terminators & Eidolon, would convert him to give him a chainsword, and probably remove the jump pack.
Pic related, my first painted angry zealot
>>48323527
>>48322687
>1. We don't know what an "editor" is
Hey, we fixed the embarrassing "trained xenos predator breasts"! It wasn't Freudian or anything!
No, we didn't bother fixing that the Auxilia Grenadiers have to swap the lascarbines that they don't have for their upgrade options (including swapping them for the very same lascarbines at a cost of +10 points), but at least it was in a critical crunch section instead of a harmless fluff section!
>Imperial Jetbikes common during the HH
>Since then the Imperium lost the know-how to make them so only one exists
>Land Speeders still exist
why don't they just take the engine off a land speeder and uh
build a jetbike around it
>>48323386
>Makes sense for the guards of the emperor to have access to shields.
But maybe less so if we're only talking about Custodes seconded to the Space Wolves for the assault on Prospero, away from the Emperor (and in all likelihood taking no orders from Russ)?
>>48323751
Because the AdMech doesn't like that kind of thinking.
>>48323751
sounds like techno heresy
>>48323751
The engine isn't the problem, it's the anti-gravity devices.
>>48323444
Weren't you here for every second thread since Book One (i.e. ever) where people argued about whether the Chainaxe was free or cost as many points the chainsword (which took three unchanged reprints for people to finally start being convinced that it's intended to be "free")?
>>48323461
>.does this mean we will see Custodes in carapace?
No, 4+ is the save they get without armour.
https://youtu.be/SsDd_BVZqxQ?t=193
>>48323751
Because that Tech-heresy you fucking heretek, if the Omnissiah wanted men to fly on jetbikes he would have invented them
To be a Space Wolf is to live in misery. Let us remember:
Sent to Prospero with almost their entire legion's strength.
Aided by a Sons of Horus detachment.
Aided by Mars itself.
Aided by Legio Titanicus.
Still got their shit positively wrecked and lost more than half their numbers.
Then got their shit kicked in by the Alpha Legion.
Then returned to Terra to mop in a corner.
Truly, there is no fate more ignoble than that of a Space Wolf.
>>48323751
are you wanna die
>>48323803
I was being sarcastic.
>>48323527
Shhh, don't speak too soon. There's still time for them to get a rite of war with all thunderwolf cavalry.
>>48323816
Maybe if they had the bite to match their bark they wouldn't get their tails kicked so often.
>WE get 1+S FREE
Fuck that shit I'm taking Phoenix Spears for free now
>>48323751
>Lets mutilate this perfectly fine engine of mankind's fury
The Emperor's resources are not to be wasted.
>>48323886
i hope they do get a RoW with all thunderwolf cav... but they dont get access to stormshields.
let them eat phosphex
hey does this game have ults?
Reminder that Russ is traitor scum.
>>48323966
What would Sanguinius' ult be?
How are you suppose to use Destroyers? I see people creaming their jeans over them, but mostly they seem like assault marines with 2 pistols and rad-grenades.
>>48323983
He transforms into a giant pile of assault cannons and BRRRRTs everyone in range.
>>48323975
in the first heretic it said that russ was one of the primarchs (along with magnus and horus) that wanted to spare lorgar from the ultras just genociding them all, and so lorgar was only shamed.
russ has always been a traitor, but hes too dumb to realize it
>>48323983
i dunno, i'm trying to gather information about the game right now :(
>>48323995
JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
Is the red book in the OP post this new book I've been hearing about?
>>48323595
This is a no awoo zone. Here's your red helmet.
>>48323975
Except now he's a retard who's the Emperor's loyal lapdog sent to bring in Magnus and Horus just tells him "kill 'em, Russ, kill 'em all" and Russ goes "durr, ok." And even then he needs the help of others.
>>48323751
The next IA book is a good example of what happens when the modern Mechanicus tries to use old shit they're not too sure about.
>Pic
>>48323765
A shield can still absorb gunfire and sword blows. Plus if you have always been THE SHIELD GUY of your company or whatever no way being away from the Emperor will keep you from using your shield.
>>48324077
>The next IA book is a good example of what happens when the modern Mechanicus tries to use old shit they're not too sure about.
W-what happens?
>>48324100
Beep boop! Boop. Beep boop? Bleep bleep! In non-robo terms the Beep boops got mad.
>>48324100
Tau invade Forge World
Forge World goes "oh fuck we can't defend with our current forces, wake the battle-automata that have been sleeping since the heresy and are considered heretek"
Machines go "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>>48323816
Just wait when the Wolf Cull at Yarant is expanded upon.
The notes we have at the time hint that the legion had suffered a great tragedy and was almost destroyed, and Leman Russ was almost killed.
I like 30k Rout, but yiff tears will be delicious.
>>48324145
Soon we'll find out if Bjorn is a fucking hypocrite or not and the legion was already mire-deep in wolfwolfwolf shittery.
>>48323911
Does anyone have that edited Disney comic?
>>48324186
>>48324174
"Soon" can't come nearly fast enough. In case you missed it, Inferno is delayed yet again.
Also, I find the possibility of Signus and Thramas being separate books delicious. I, for one, hope the series lasts for as long as possible and will be buying all the black books down the line.
>>48324245
ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER 8 MONTHS OF CHAINAXE/PHOENIX SPEAR
>>48324331
So we need to bitch about other legions' weapons to add variety? Righty-ho. I, for one, think it's criminal Raven Guard have to pay 10 points extra for their talons (on top of already expensive lightning claws) when other legions get their specialist weapons for the cost of a basic power weapon/fist.
Look at the size of that fucking strato-automata!
>>48324393
25/30pts for A Talon is hilarious
Summoning aemons turns you into a fucking giant lol
>>48324463
Is the blight drone that big?
>>48324331
Actually with the buff to Assault marines to the point they replace 20-man tac squads means that chainaxe-posting should decrease
>>48324463
Looks like a 100/120mm base?
>>48324393
>>48324468
Don't mind me, just having the best legion specific weapon ever
>>48324463
hes a big drone
>>48324502
Banestrike bolts?
>>48324511
And then Nurgle happened and they shriveled up like the space wolves' testicles
>>48324514
I'm assuming he means the Power Dagger.
>>48324480
It's not, looks like the darkmech shrunk it down a bit over the years.
>>48324538
Yep
>5 points
>specialist weap so you can get the extra attack with a paragon blade or power fist
>sneeky breaky weapon of choice
>Inferno pushed back to 2017
Whats up with the rhino?
>>48324613
White Scars and their successors have a thing for camo patterns
>>48324613
that some oldschool rogue trader camo
>>48324613
god, the blue and lightning bolt makes me think it's some kind of MLP rhino
New to Heresy, but tired of 40k's millennial bullshit ,heard 30k is (a tiny bit) more grown up and gritty. This true citizens? Do I have to buy the encyclopaedia and read all the novel's to understand wtf is going on?
>>48324685
We dont need new players. Go away.
>>48324685
>,heard 30k is (a tiny bit) more grown up and gritty.
Its not, its just pre-6th ed 40k.
The new veteran tactics mentioning Xenos and gargantuan creatures makes me think theyre going to introduce rules for xenos armies soon
>>48324709
So non meme-fest 40k, I'm liking it so far. Good reading suggestions or literally just the novel series?
>>48324685
no this is just snobby rich kids 40k. sorry but we're full.
>>48324727
Eldar were already confirmed for 30k earlier this year. It's only a matter of time.
>>48324694
Seriously, stop that. I'm betting you're the same anon who says that every time someone mentions being new.
>>48324728
I just finished reading Angel Exterminatus, and I absolutely loved it.
Do you have any legions you're interested in?
>>48324685
WELCOME TO THE CLUB FRIENDO
HERE WE AIN'T NO HOMOS EXCEPT FOR THE HOMO-NCULEX
BRING YOUR JOOCY THIGHS OVER AND DEBATE WITH US
>>48324728
the first 3 novels are basically required reading, after than just pick and choose off what legion/characters interest you the most
>>48324728
Depends, are you interested in any Legion in particular?
>>48324728
>So non meme-fest 40k
30k actually has a higher meme density than 40k
>>48324747
>wanting 40kfags to corrupt what little good remains in 30k
>>48324727
>Fabricator-General: You know wot boys? Dem Thanatars are cute an all, but we can make bigger shit
Lads, i haven't played Wh Fantasy, Age of Sigmar or 40k, am i still allowed to stay here?
>>48324784
That's because there's 30 people tops who post on a regular basis in these threads.
>>48324685
>Millenials
Nice buzz word faggot.
You should just keep fucking right on off. Horus Heresy is for fans of the Horus Heresy. Go play malifaux or better yet warmachines. You seem like the kind of guy who should play warmachines.
>>48324801
Yes. I've not played either, though I read the rules and books. Just don't pay attention to that one anon who spergs out every time someone memtions they're new.
>>48324821
Stop sperging out, man.
>>48324821
>Go play malifaux
What's wrong with Malifaux?
>>48324846
Don't ask, anon's decided to sperg out today. You're just going to trigger him.
>>48324816
i wasnt complaining. the only reason why 30k is better than 40k is because 40ks meme game is slipping
>>48324801
no, sorry. this is the wealthy old school 40k/fantasy player elitist club.
>>48324747
I'm surprised you were able to type out a post without mentioning how hungry you are an calling yourself a burger.
>>48324747
Well in 40k I play Deldar/Harlies because I love weird scary things. Don't really know ALL of the fluff 30k has but my opinions so far as a newbie:
Death guard: "Nurgle marines" so... meh, seems dull.
Night lords: snobby emo shit heads with a lightning fetish and a self harming pro march
Ultra: EVERYTHING I hate about 40k marines, in 30k. MUH SUPERIOR TACTICS. MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS DEVASTATING DEFENSIVE DEEP STRIKES. Seriously fuck these guys.
Iron hands: GW's naming Jesus Christ. They're alright I guess, seem a bit too TEACH for me.
World Eaters: eh. I don't dislike them but don't like them. Angry mad people are cool, if stereotypical.
Emp. Children: martial obsessives, kinda cooler, hate their gay colour scheme though.
Will cont.
>>48324801
Definitely. What's piquing your interest?
>>48324816
So what? I'm in every thread yet I try to offer a quality discussion (by 4ch standard at least) because this general used to be a very nice place (aside from the chainaxes issue). It still is, but BaC brought a lot of new blood, myself included model-wise.
>>48324821
Because the top quality memes (New tau, wulfen, angels of death) that gw shitted out is not millennial matterial?
>>48324863
I am still a hungry burger indeed.
I haven't eaten in 14 hours. But at least I got spme sleep!
>>48324211
Is the argument here about getting free Chain Axes or getting free CCW/Chainswords which are turned to said axes?
>>48324846
Nothing. It's probably a more fun game. And if you aren't invested in 30k/ 40k fluff you'd probably enjoy it more than 30k/ 40k strictly in terms of gameplay.
>>48324861
>>48324883
I wasn't saying it's a bad thing. It just means a lot of the memes stick around because there's so few of us overall.
>>48324463
Blight drone base size.
>>48324868
>Will cont.
Please don't.
>>48324883
>Definitely. What's piquing your interest?
The models and lore just look and sound so good. Really liking the Mechanicum, will probably buy the Taghmata support cadre as a start. Slightly worried though as everyone seems to worry about the resin, is it really that bad or is it just a meme?
>>48324868
>>48324747
Salamanders: fuck their skin colour, they'd be cool if they were more fanatic about purging with fire
White scars: fuck off Japan marines, learn to shoot.
Word bearers: religious fanatics? Sounds kinda good night get into these guys if their minis don't suck.
Sons of horus: edgy topknots looks shit on them imo, also fuck horus.
Imp. Fists: martial discipline is kinda cool. Pity their armour is ugly as fuck. Sigismund is cool. Black templars my fav 40k chapter for their zealotry.
Missing any?
>>48324955
WAACfag.
>>48324868
You should probably consider giving HH a pass.
>>48324973
Alpha Legion
>>48324976
Wouldn't really say that. Just picking the models i really like which i think are good. pls don't be mean senpai
>>48324973
raven guard but nobody cares about them anyway.
word bearers have sick models and can summon demons
>>48324990
Seem kinda cool even though stealth/subterfuge seems very un mariney
>>48324868
Tl dr word bearers and imp fists make me most hyped and don't seem too meme tastic like the ultras
>>48325020
i forgot pic
this is zimzam lilac, he summons demons
>>48325020
Raven guard just suck ass in general. Plus they have bird faces.
Mmm sounding good, lemme go scour FW and report back
>>48324892
Pretty sure all the writers at GW are Gen X or Baby Boomers.
>>48324976
>mechanicum is automatically waccfag
Show me where the ordo reductor touched you.
>>48325056
you forgot space yiffs too, which i intentionally try to forget about everytime i remember they exist.
>>48324893
Wait, no. I ate around 6:00, so that's more than 14 hours.
>>48324973
Iron Warriors.
>>48324750
Not really. Heck, until vengeful spirit and meduson came out they were completely irrelevant
>>48325080
After new wulfen release I pretend they don't exist.
Not like... A massive fan of chaos in general (hear me out) I just feel like theyre almost too stereotypically evil. Like they'd be goodbuddied with skeletor. L
I guess I like people who do bad things for interesting reasons rather than NYEHEHEHE RULE THE UNIVERSE
>>48324868
>Death guard: "Nurgle marines" so... meh, seems dull.
No, not really.
>Night lords: snobby emo shit heads with a lightning fetish and a self harming pro march
Wrong.
>Ultra: EVERYTHING I hate about 40k marines, in 30k. MUH SUPERIOR TACTICS. MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS DEVASTATING DEFENSIVE DEEP STRIKES. Seriously fuck these guys.
Except the best of all part.
>Iron hands: GW's naming Jesus Christ. They're alright I guess, seem a bit too TEACH for me.
I thought Ferrus' name was explained by now. You think men didn't know the meaning of his name?
>World Eaters: eh. I don't dislike them but don't like them. Angry mad people are cool, if stereotypical.
A bit common, yeah.
>Emp. Children: martial obsessives, kinda cooler, hate their gay colour scheme though.
Nigga you gay.
>>48324901
I understood it in too pessimistic a way, but I have to agree with you.
>>48324955
It isn't a meme, take precautionary measures and you'll be fine. If you're interested, 30k Skitarii will come in due time.
Ignore >>48324976 faggot.
>>48325112
>Except the best of all part.
EXACTLY why I hate them. They're so insufferably snobby about how they're the best.
>>48323989
They're very expensive and no more resilient than assault marines. Offensively their shooting is about twice as effective though, including overwatch, due to the double pistols.
They're too expensive to use just like an assault marine squad, and too short-ranged (even with 12" movement) to keep away from they enemy. So you have to take advantage of them for precise strikes against targets that really can't afford to have to deal with them - in essence they're an assassin unit, or possibly a thorn-in-the-side that you harass with.
Also most people seem to use them as a bodyguard option for the Moritat - they do this well, but now your problem is that you've combined two expensive fragile units together...
Honestly, people take them because they're cool. But with the drop in points for assault marines, I doubt they'll be nearly as common as they were. Still, I'm not saying they need a points drop - they ARE nasty. They're just something that needs very careful use.
>>48325155
No, what he meant was that the Matt Wardian I'M DA BEST! Fluff doesn't apply here.You also forgot my Iron Warriors.
Same newfag here. So what's this chain axe meme and what is WAAC?
>>48325167
>Matt Wardian I'M DA BEST!
That wasnt Matt Ward, thats the way UM were handled since they had a codex.
>>48325150
this
>>48325155
Except they don't think they are the best. Case and point Book 1 has a section on the EC where Guilliman congratulates the EC on executing his own doctrines better than his legion. They are a practical legion, that's really it, Guilliman didn't hate Alpharius for being better he hated Alpharius because he was a jackass who slowed down the crusade because attacking the enemy would have been "too easy."
>>48325167
Ah ok, they actually LOSE in 30k?
And they seem neato, but if I was gonns go tech heavy I'd go admech they do it better imo.
>>48325155
>>48325192
dont hate them because they are the best, hate yourself because you are a pleb.
>>48325193
>this
What did he mean by this?
>>48325180
Win At All Costs, the cost usually being fluff, gamesmanship and notbeingadouchebagium.
>>48325180
Chain axe meme is because people thought that World Eaters can either replace chainswords for free, or get free chainaxes. Slight difference in what I said.
WAAC
Win At All Costs.
WAAC is not accpeted here. At all.
>>48324743
What? I never heard this! When?
Are they making a Great Crusade version of the rules, or are they starting The Scouring early, or is it actually going into Age of Darkness? (30k is kinda a vague term)
>>48325155
30k ultras are actually pretty interesting.
They have their reputation as an intensely analytical, practical legion. But when shit hits the fan hard enough and it's time to come up with new ideas on the spot they pretty much get stage fright.
>>48324743
No thank you to Eldar.
>>48324743
proof it.
putting eldar in 30k would be retarded, all they did was hide and pray that they wouldnt get genocided
>this thread right now
Let's talk about something else. Which legion would love Komodo Dragons? The Death Guard?
>making a good list is unfair
>>48325204
Aye. 30k Ultras are sort of like 40k Admech, in that if you ask them to come up with something new, or if something comes up that they didn't expect to happen, they'll start spazzing out like an autist rather than instantly pulling out a backup plan that they just happened to have out of nowhere.
Anyways, I'm interested in what sort of meme answer you can come up with for the IW.
I think you also forgot the 1kSons.
>>48325291
>stop talking about on topic things, talk about reddit lizards instead
no thanks
>>48325291
Horus would definitely have had a few.
>>48325251
>>48325290
They had to be involved to some extent, probably sabotaging Horus' plans
>>48325340
Why Horus? Horus doesn't poison you, he just claws you to death.
>>48325232
>>48325238
Thanks anons. And yeah 40k had a lot do those fucks (3 wraith knight's in a 1k game last week against me)
Just finished a quick browse of forge world. Not a fan of the word bearer's minis at all. They're too.. simplistic for me? And I'm personally not a fan of generic chaos as I said before.
Emp. Children seem to have some awesome as fuck minis though, might make my own colour scheme through. They have any other schemes other than garish purple?
>>48325329
If anything, it's the Dark Angels who seem to be closer to the "do everything" abilities of 40k ultras.
>>48325112
Thanks mang, will do.
>>48325251
>Are they making a Great Crusade version of the rules
Rules already work for Great Crusade, hence Fulgrim having rules for the sword Ferrus made despite the fact that he ditched it for the Laer blade well before the Heresy.
Also if Fulgrim used his own hammer he would be capable of going toe to toe with Horus.
>Fight Horus
>Have his hammer knock Horus down to I 1
>Get 12 attacks the next turn because of Sublime Swordsman rule
>Smash Horus down again and continue getting massive number of attacks
>>48325291
Probably Death Guard. The toxin from the Komodo's bite is mostly just germs and nasty stuff caused by leftovers they've eaten, iirc.
>>48325329
IW?
1k sons are awesome in fluff, but their helmets trigger the fuck out of me, just look super dumb to me. Also Magnus is more naive than an autistic 4 year old
>>48325306
Making a list that is unfun to play against is unfun to play against. Go ahead and bring armoured spearhead with no infantry. I won't play you because I wouldn't enjoy playing your list and I play this game for fun.
>>48325345
what eldar did in 30k
>tried to talk to fulgrim
>got assraped
>hid
>some of them tried to talk to alphameme
>alphameme is easily the stupidest primarch in the series and its solely because of his stupid xenos friends
yeah... ill pass
>>48325354
He seems like a giant lizard type of guy.
Jaghatai would try to breed fast komodos.
>>48325383
>Sublime swordsman
>Hammer
Something doesn't add up.
Don't expect divergence between Traitor and Loyalist AdMech until siege of terra at least as standard units lists go.
IM will be expanded on eventually, alongside Solar Auxilia but this will be after prospero (which, at earliest will be before christmas, certainly before fires of Cyriasxus)
didn't get to snap a photo of it (I was literally talking to Luke when he showed it, would of been obnoxious seemed like a cool dude) but Triaros will be in 40k - however the volkite chargers are swapped for Arc rifles.
The Acastus keeps getting buffer - it seemed to have fucking lascannons as tertiary weapons (at least, the resin model on the spinner).
New knights look rad. Stuart (designed most of the main line admech stuff) seemed like a cool dude. I didn't ask Bligh (directly) what units we can expect to find missing 40k. I did listen to other people (Automata are in as Relics that the Mechanicus has no idea how they work - they exist still because they were built to last). He mentioned elements that were hard to control were removed and some technologies deliberately destroyed in order to centralise power towards mars; hence Myrmidons, at least in the form of "Gun-Cult", are no longer a thing (I suspect they'll have expanded equipment for Magos's but I didnt think to ask that) - compare medieval England to Tudor England, he literally said.
Expect to see Cataphractii assault cannons
Asked Bligh what the process for making a unit is. Basically either fluff sets itself up that a unit like this can be tangible, or the designers make something rad-enough that they just have to give it rules - crunch is the last thing. However the designers may certainly feel (i'm projecting like fuck here) like "X faction has this - surely Y has an equivilant?" , hence the Acastus keeps getting bigger each time it goes to Grandmas.
Thudd-Guns have pinning - literally from Alan Blighs mouth that because they have rules that explicitly refer to pinning, they have pinning as an extension.
>>48325355
>They have any other schemes other than garish purple?
No. Sorry.
Sad that you don't like the WB models though, I myself think they're some of the best.
>>48325355
>3 wraith knight's in a 1k game last week against me
Why?
>>48325155
>They're so insufferably snobby about how they're the best.
but they aren't. The ultramarines want everyone to be the best, and are happy when people take their example to heart and improve themselves.
They hate inefficiency, and those who propagate it.
>>48325255
So basically not matt ward versions of their 40k siblings. Eh... Not my cup of tea, plus their colour scheme sets my ptsd off because of how they're the stumble for "normie" 40k marine only players
>>48325407
Iron Warriors.
>>48325355
>They have any other schemes other than garish purple?
There's white, but it is a lot better than their post Heresy color scheme. Purple and gold beats looking like a teenage girl's bedroom.
>>48325424
>He seems like a giant lizard type of guy.
Given that he's Space Satan snakes might go with him.
>Jaghatai would try to breed fast komodos.
That could be cool.
>>48325355
>They have any other schemes other than garish purple?
Make it a regal purple like it is supposed to be. Sure as hell beats a constant sea of black, red, and grey or light blue. Alpha Legion has a cool colour scheme.
Also look through the books, they have plenty of modified schemes and notes on specific units (destroyers have armour that is often charred black, palatines paint their breastplate and left arm and shoulder silver).
>>48325396
That's what was thought, but it turns out they actually do produce their own venom. That would probably interest the AL more than DG actually.
>>48324894
The argument is that models, which have to pay for chainswords, get chainaxes for free.
Some just can't get their head around the idea that an unquestionably superior choice can cost less than a strictly inferior choice. They assume by default, therefore, that it must be a mistake (because, you know, a superior choice costing exactly the same as an inferior choice is perfectly sensible).
The wording is unambiguous, especially in the context of all of the reprints and the other legion special rules that clarify when and how much you must pay for an upgrade. It's the principle that people seem to have a problem with; as if GW/Forge World had never dared to write rules that made superior options cheaper than inferior ones before (hey Plague Hulk!).
>>48325424
>>Sublime swordsman
>>Hammer
>Something doesn't add up.
Ferrus' rules for Forgebreaker aren't unwieldy. Even if you use Perturabo's Fulgrim is still Initiative 8 he just fights at the Initiative 1 step of combat.
>>48325355
>does the faggot legion have a color scheme that isnt faggoty
why would they?
>>48325486
I'm saying that a rule called sublime SWORDsman shouldn't work with a hammer.
>>48325454
Do the EC even use Destroyers? I feel like they probably did, but my gut says that Fulgrim probably doesn't like the weapons they use.
>>48325486
fulgrim only gets bonus attacks for their initiative profile compared to his profile.
>>48325525
Fluff-wise most legions shunned them, iirc, but the DG and maybe IW made good use of them.
>>48325525
they obviously would had some (everyone had some of everything), but the EC's nature as a royal/ceremonial guard would probably limit the number of them. Especially considering their smaller size and the comparatively larger value of each individual marine.
>>48325355
>Emp. Children seem to have some awesome as fuck minis though, might make my own colour scheme through. They have any other schemes other than garish purple?
Check book 1, there's a few pics of them in grey armour, but expect to use some purple as it was the Emperor who gave them their colours.
>>48325364
Fluffwise yes, we'll see if it's represented in the rules.
>>48325378
You are welcome.
>>48325429
Thanks for the info.
Is there a date for Secutarii release?
>>48323244
Is there any news at all on the Spireguard? Are they just going to be Solar Auxilia Models with a Thousand Sons Paint Scheme, or something unique?
>>48325553
Didn't the DG love them?
>>48325569
So there was what five hundred Destroyers in the entire EC?
>>48325444
>>48325448
The primarchs mini is awesome, but again if I wanted to go tech is do admech.
Yeah I might try real deep purple, or be a fuck head and paint them how I want, thinking a pale grey or maybe marble effect (I'm suicidal)
>>48325454
Charred armour seems cool. Might experiment.
>>48325432
I personally just don't like "blocky armour marine" look and prefer the "fancy cloak and eagle, purity seals and incense burners" marines
>>48325525
Every legion except Salamanders had some, although like less mobile assets (eg. siege breakers and breachers) they were probably looked down on and uncommon in the Emperor's Children.
>Be Moritat
>Worked my way up from a simple destroyer, have hundreds of confirmed kills
>Still have to sit at the losers' table at lunch
>Palatine Blades cut me in the lunch line
>Legion Champions shove me in lockers
>Phoenix Guard bullies me to do his homework for him
>>48325525
Yeah he'd consider them barbaric or something like that.
>>48325437
Because he's a fedora Meister who wants to win. I packed up and left before we started to deny him the satisfaction. No one plays him now and he gets mad.
Also he's guy who tried to get staff to ban a player using square bases in 40k cos he wanted to see why 40k was like for his fantasy daemon army
>>48325618
>The primarchs mini is awesome, but again if I wanted to go tech is do admech.
The tech legion is the Iron Hands. The Iron Warriors legion is the one where you're going to be sent to the front lines while artillery rains down near you and you're going to like it.
>>48325036
>>48325112
>>48325255
>>48325329
>>48325438
>>48325442
I wonder why everyone defends the Ultramarines in 30k, saying they're not awful "yet", but Inferno isn't even out and everyone still hates on the Space Wolves SO MUCH.
Like, I suggested once that the 30k Ultramarines probably weren't as good as 40k Ultramarines think they were; probably when Roboute founded the Adeptus Terra after the Heresy, he modified all the records ascribed to the traitors and the two missing legions as being Ultramarines achievements, since he had the biggest legion with the most successors by far and hardly any veterans were still alive to contradict him anymore except the few remaining loyal Primarchs that he'd already gotten under his thumb with threats of "adopt the codex or you will be responsible for another civil war".
Man, everyone raged so hard at the mere idea of it. But with the Wolves we already have non-stop wolfywolfmcwolf and so on everywhere.
>>48325607
>So there was what five hundred Destroyers in the entire EC?
less, I'd imagine
I'm not sure on amount of EC there are now since legion size keeps fucking changing, but I doubt they were much larger than the thousand sons to begin with.
>>48325578
Tried not to ask question I sense were asked tonnes of times but I really got the impression the rules would come with the model and it wouldn't be too long - pressures on now (like the Domitars) to get it out, so maybe like 2-3 weeks? the week following an event usually has no major releases.
Interestingly, the addition of the Krios and Triaros, with the tone he said it, made it out like it was almost a concession forced by hordes of (rightly) pissed MecHeads who don't get to use huge chunks of their 30k collections - Myridoms are the last line - as the "fuck squad" you see in 30k anyway.
>>48325685
it's almost like people have gotten real fuckin' tired of faggots like you whining about any particular brand of space marines
>>48325685
There's nothing specifically wrong about the space wolves, it's people who play space wolves. More particularly it's the minority that is extremely loud and complains even more than chaos marine players.
>>48325701
150? That seems like a good size.
>>48325628
>except Salamanders
Even Salamanders had them. You can actually take destroyers in a Salamanders allied detachment.
>>48325737
maybe? It seems okay.
The numbers of destroyers probably rose after he went nuts, though.
>>48325685
Well.. You've seen new wulfen right?
>>48325657
Holy shit iron circle made me cum.
Again they've got the "blocky" look and not the flowing ornate look that I like on marines though. Those mechs 10/10 just don't like the marines as much
>>48325553
I always thought RG would use them a fair bit too. Firstly, they invented moritats, who are related to destroyers. Secondly, have you seen what Corax did to Kiavahr?
So if I waited for the plastic Dorn minus hand that will be released for time of ending and then used that in 30k with kitbashing - how mad would you be
>>48325701
EC were a fairly large legion, not UM sized but fairly large because Fulgrim was the best organizational genius among the primarchs. However they lost more marines (mostly because they sent lots of marines on the first wave who probably would have sided with Fulgrim) than anyone else at Isstvan III. But since destroyers would have likely been rejects it seems likely that many would have been sent to die on Isstvan III. So my guess it.
>Before Fulgrim was found
Like 10 dudes if that
>Just before Isstvan III
Probably like 1,000
>Following Isstvan III
Probably like 200
Might have recovered later in the heresy as the EC stopped caring about their honour so maybe by Terra they have like 2,000 assholes who throw rad grenades into crowds of civilians for shits and giggles.
>>48325752
I think they according to the fluff really didn't. Although yes, they have access to destroyers in an allied detachment.
>>48325813
>EC were a fairly large legion
nigger what
>Despite this status, the Legion was struck with disaster in its earliest days when much of its gene-seed stock was mysteriously lost while en-route to Luna. The Legion never recovered from this incident, and thus were always among the smallest of the Legio Astartes despite imperfect replacement methods being used, such as salvaging Progenoid Glands from its dead warriors. While other legions such as the Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, and Luna Wolves all exceeded the 100,000 mark, the III Legion numbered only in the hundreds
>>48325730
I wasn't hating. It seems like a realistic possibility. Who else could have done it? Why don't even the Inquisition have records of the two missing legions? The political possibilities intrigue me, is all. But I can't even mention it without everyone jumping to the worst possible conclusion, as you have just demonstrated.
>>48325736
It's not like only 40k Ultramarines players play 30k Ultramarines, or only 40k Chaos Space Marines players play 30k Emperor's Children, or even like 40k Raven Guard players play 30k Raven Guard. Many 30k players specifically want to play something different to what they play in 40k.
I would doubt that even half the 40k Space Wolf players who decide to play 30k (properly) will play Space Wolves in 30k.
But if 30k Space Wolves get so much hate in a 30k thread, who is ever going to want to play the only good version (if Forgeworld can pull it off) of the Space Wolves?
>>48325796
If the rumors do come to pass then I wouldnt be mad because thats exactly what Im doing and if they are true then Alphy+Dorn being delayed to shit is probably because of them getting plastic models "soon".
I hope they dont because it sounds awful though I do like the idea of there being 2 rule sets, this game needs to be streamlined a bit, 30k already does it and it plays miles better than 40k's apocalypse.
>>48325685
Because that's not like book Guilliman at all, it's just butthurt /tg/ autism
>>48325524
But Fulgrim originally calibrated the hammer for his own use – surely he knows how to use it, in fact even better than Frankus.
>>48325553
The DG use them fine, the WB and SW have special unit versions, we know the Ultras use them (the 22nd chapter, the nemesis chapter), pre-Corax RG used them and the DA's Dreadwing had lots of Destroyers
Those are the only legions I can recall seeing something in their fluff/models mentioning destroyers, but I'd say they also fit the NL, IW, WS and LW okay - vicious, brutal legions who put a lot of stock in shocking the enemy.
Maybe the IH too, seeing as they didn't give a fuck a lot of the time and they had lots of gear
>>48325813
No... they had a gene seed crisis before the Crusade.
Then, when they found Fulgrim, they fought with the SoH for a while because they could barely field a sizeable force.
>>48325858
Can confirm, play Guard 40k and XIXth 30k.
>>48325846
Old fluff, if they were really in the hundreds there wouldn't be any by the time of Terra
>>48325846
>>48325883
Yes you retards, all of that was well before the Heresy. By the time of the Heresy the EC had completely recovered from their early geneseed disaster.
>>48325895
>Old fluff
no it fucking isn't
>>48325908
>By the time Fulgrim led them into rebellion his Legion comprised 11,000 marines organized into 30 Millennials
>>48325858
>Who else could have done it?
Killing the missing legions? The Wolves did it.
>Why don't even the Inquisition have records of the two missing legions?
Emps explicitly forbid it (psykers are still banned, but dont tell anyone). Russ would have confirmed he destroyed at least one of the missing legions, but he can't talk about it.
>The political possibilities intrigue me, is all
"Our presence remakes the past". History is written by the winners – what is history but the praise of Rome?
>>48325920
It says 110,000 you retard
>>48325908
True.
And then they lost a much bigger proportion at Istvaan than they'd planned for, which pissed Horus off immensely (as did the Death Guard, though not as badly)
>>48325685
ultramarines are the best
space wolves are cringeworthy, thats the difference.
>>48325920
>book from 5 years ago
>not old fluff
If they really were 11,000 they'd be destroyed at the dropsite massacre.
>>48325908
Not really - they mitigated it by not using the geneseed of the tainted
However Fabius at least is still tainted and basically has to constantly operate on himself to stay alive
>>48325783
>Well.. You've seen new wulfen right?
Yeah but if Ultramarines get a "fresh start" for 30k, why not the Space Wolves?
Also, the core *concept* of the Wolfen isn't so bad, heck everyone loved it in the 3rd edition Codex Eye of Terror and in Imperial Armour 11. GW's modern execution is to blame (as usual).
Blood Angels can't possibly get past the Signus Prime campaign without their lol emo vampire cursed blood Death Company stuff being in 30k, and Dark Angels in 30k can't avoid all the Dark Ssseekrets bullshit that everyone hates about them in 40k; but people trust that Forge World will handle them with sufficient reverence that they'll be as unique and cool as they were in the Rogue Trader/2nd Edition games, and not as grimderp over-done as GW morphed them into over a two-decade process of iteration.
I just can't work out why the Space Wolves don't get a fair shake.
>>48325950
The book he mention says 110,000 he is just an illiterate retard. FFS the same paragraph that says 110,000 even says the EC lost about 20,000 at Isstvan III and might have been lowered to 50,000 total. He failed to read several numbers correctly somehow.
>>48325858
>who is ever going to want to play the only good version (if Forgeworld can pull it off) of the Space Wolves?
SW players, Alan Bligh and company seem to really like 3rd-4th ed 40k and its full of nods to those codexes (Like veteran tactics, man I miss Sword Brothers with furious charge) and the Wolfening began in 5th ed so my guess is that FW will try to make them be more in tune to their 3rd ed codex than 5th's Wolfpocalypse.
>>48325685
>I made up some fluff
>I got bad feedback
>It's totally because people love UM because I'm goddamn perfect
>>48325973
You fucking retard read the goddamn fluff. EC had about 100k by the time the Heresy started. Not a huge legion like the UM but still much much larger than the Thousand Sons.
>>48325882
>The DG use them fine
Their speshul Destroyers are actually on termie armour: the Grave Wardens.
Of course, they're quite different, being much more resilient (and damn painful to assault) and slower, but such is the DG.
Too bad they lack any decent ranged AP whatsoever, but still better than dual bpistols, eh?
Also, HH1 mentions the WE having a sizeable Destroyer corps.
>>48325986
Will Alan slay the Overwolf?
>>48325979
>more spacewolf persecution complex
maybe its because ultramarines are more likeable
>>48325979
>Blood Angels can't possibly get past the Signus Prime campaign without their lol emo vampire cursed blood Death Company stuff being in 30k
You do know the Death Company is entirely caused by backlash from Sangy's death, right?
>>48326011
They could always bring this back.
>>48326010
>more ultramarine persecution complex
maybe its because swolves are more likeable
>>48325997
Fuck off burger and go back to the 40k shit thread
They stopped the degenerative and built their numbers back up - but the gene curse is still there in Fabius there was a whole short story about it
