Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Infect is one of the most dangerous decks in the metagame and is one of the most popular decks. How is your matchup against them?
>Ad Nauseam has proven to be a good combo deck in this metagame. How does that make you feel?
>There is currently no established Dredge list. Which version do you think is the best?
>What EMN cards caught your eye and for what deck(s)? Will any new deck emerge?
EMN spoiler link:
>magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eldritch-moon
DECKLISTS HERE
>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
The overall and paper Modern Metagame.
(1 month old).
While it is an outdated picture, there is apparentely a rise in linear stragies according to the stats guy behind the spreadsheet.
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
>http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
Modern deck primers link:
>http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern
>>48307547
New thread and this post at the same time. Extra mfw.
>>48307471
I think dredge is forever going to be to vulnerable to sideboards.
R8 my Naya midrange zoo.
>>48307620
Sin prodder for no reason. I guess you can get 1 damage when they throw away your bolts
How has grishoalbrand been doing lately?
I've always thought it was one of the coolest decks in modern and I'm finally going to buy in now that I've made more traditional decks
>>48307620
>no goyf
>no boros charm (this one is negotiable)
>become immense
>>48307729
Try Sin Prodder before you hate on it. Fuels delve and Knight like its nobody's buinsess. Plus comes in from CoCo for immediate value at EoT.
>>48307978
Fuck goyf. I'll get it when's its 20 bucks.
>>48307978
>>48307978
>Sin Prodder off CoCo
>reveal become immense
>opponent dies.
>>48308120
Sin prodder would be fine if it made sense in the deck. Your deck building skills are shit to say the least
>>48307471
Is anything in Infect banworthy?
Just gonna leave this here
>>48308616
Cranial Plating.
Oh sorry I thought you said Affinity
>>48308616
>>48308681
Inkmoth nexus ban would nerf both decks.
>>48308735
That would mean they'd have banned all of the remaining modern playable lands I actually own
>>48308804
Busted lands are bad for modern. Blood moon is the only way to deal with them
>>48308825
That just means we need better land destruction
>>48308825
>Inkmoth
>Busted
Really?
Its not even the main wincon of Infect or Affinity.
Plus theres dozens of ways to deal with it.
>>48308833
Yea but wotc won't ever print that again
>>48308833
wasteland would make modern better
>>48308833
What about a card like this?
Theres a pptq coming up and I've never been to one before but I'd like to attend. I'll be playing BW Tokens. Any of you guys go to one before?
Is there any sideboard tech I can have against tron matchups besides stony silence and ghost quarter?
>>48308919
Heres your (you)
>>48308923
Surgical extraction can deny tron. I've heard of talk of selfless spirits but haven't tried them myself.
Anguished unmaking was advised last time I asked in here too..
Is elves still a thing? I have all the deck staples except cavern and heritage druids.
Who Dredge here?Who else enjoys T4 Loam into Conflagrate?
>>48309572
'sup my nazi brüdder
>>48309572
Dredge is trash. Enjoy winning game 1 and losing the next 2 games every match.
>Angel's Grace Ad Nauseam
>A G A N
>again
>>48309621
Where did this whole dredge = nazis thing come from?
>>48309748
It's one of the cheapest decks in Legacy, therefore it's anti-jew
>>48308621
>Retreat
>FAERIES
>D&T
>UR Thopters
>UR Through the Breach
FUCKING FAERIES
LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT EVENT
>>48310115
Apparently it's the only guy who can consistently place high with faeries at competitive events
>>48310121
So he's peeking at his opponent's deck while cutting after fetches and leaving a shockland on top. Got it.
>>48310139
What?
>>48308136
>Playing a card for when you play a card off another card
okay
>>48310175
Faeries players don't consistently win out of nowhere.
>>48310214
No I mean what do you mean by cutting after fetches to leave a shockland on top? How do you even do that? Also, his deck shifted to include plenty of snaps and less game ending faeries to keep up the tempo as well as Kalitas which is just a house and makes up the weakspot faeries has of killing itself.
>>48310287
Well if you looked at his deck while shuffling a few turns into the game you could sleight of hand a shockland on top. Generally you don't want to be drawing shocklands that far into a game.
Which deck gives you the most trouble and why?
>>48310353
do you have a video or know which match and event it was?
>>48310505
I refuse to believe anyone has trouble with living end
>>48310505
Dredge
>>48309748
1. AntiJew
2. It's everything maro stands against
3. It's MaRo ( a jew) creation that turned against him
4. It's 14.88 on the storm scale.
>>48310779
Several creature decks fold to it pretty hard.
>>48310505
As a burn player Jeskass, Jund and Titanshift tend to make my life a living hell.
Jund has Goyfs and Lilly which make life absolutely no fun. Titaneshift has Baloths in the SB which provide them with enough lifegain to make me cry like a bitch. And Jeskass is just straight up ass cancer.
>>48310505
Dude that picture is sick.
>>48310864
Thanks, anything else that should be added?
>>48310840
Just purchased grishoalbrand. Tell me what you think
>>48311148
It's fun, but be prepared to loose to yourself.
>>48311246
IN THE MUSIC THE MOMENT YOU WANT IT YOU BETTER NEVER LET IT
>>48311246
I already play rug delver in modern so I'm used to cards not coming together
God bless the Chinaman. Saviour of mtg
There was someone at the prerelease I went to saying that fetchlands should be banned in modern. His reasoning is that without them, buying into the format is less costly, it makes games go faster since there is less shuffling, and I'm not sure what he was getting at with the last reason, but basically, something about how decks shouldn't get away with playing 3 or more colors so easily?
Either way, go ahead and list the reasons why he's wrong.
>>48311645
I was always wondering where you guys get your high quality proxies from. I will be dead before I pay 100 fucking bucks for a magic card. 10 sure. 20 I can kinda live with or trade for it. But fucking 100? Not a chance
>>48311819
If one card becomes cheaper, the rest of the cards in the deck rise in price to compensate. Just look at Eternal Masters making some cards cheaper; the money just went into duals. That guy was a naive dumbass.
>>48311878
This. Cards what they do because there is actual cash money available from tournaments. Whatever the best card is, it will always cost what the market values it at.
Whens the new ban list up? Also, any decks aside from hw hatebears feature voice of resurgence?
>>48311819
I agree with him on all counts, fetchlands were a mistake
>>48311940
It comes out on the 18th. Also theres a shitton of decks that Voice is in, mostly Kiki-kord and Collected Company.
>>48311927
It's more that people are willing to spend a constant X money on a deck, so if A+B+C=X and A becomes 0, B and C just soak it up and X remains constant still.
>>48311148
Find a storm player to play against, it the most fun thing ever
>>48311819
If fetchlands were banned, then Affinity and Burn would fuck the format raw. The fetchlands ban would do literally nothing to them (just don't play
Wild Nacatl) and everyone else is worse off.
>>48310505
As an Infect player, any decks heavy on removal.
So Burn, Jeskai, Grixis, etc.
>>48310901
Karn needs better fitting into the image,
>>48310505
As a Pox-Rack player I don't have trouble first game, but shit like Leyline and Soul Sisters can really fuck me up.
>>48312186
BECAUSE I'M FUCKING HUNGRY RIGHT NOW, OJUTAI
Calling out the guy that tried to make a horrible burn and tokens deck. Post your updated decklist
>>48312017
Burn player here
I would fucking hate it if I lost my fetches. I mean I COULD play RG Burn, but Naya Burn makes the deck so much more consistent.
>>48307471
my matchup is favorable against infect, but i have yet to be matched against it at saturday modern
>>48310901
suggested replacements:
a 1-drop or ezuri for elves
melira for abzan
valakut for scapeshift
>>48311148
i think that's pretty cool
>>48312122
what do you think about white splash for lingering souls and sideboard leyline removal?
>>48311819
>Fetches are banned
Three color decks become unviable
Two color decks become more janky
Mono-colored decks move into tier lists
Evolving Wilds becomes Modern playable
>>48312063
Picture was taken from MTGGoldfish. I guess Karn can be made better as an exception.
>>48312784
Shaman of the Pack represents the deck better: Elves is now GB and other variations are non-competitive.
Melira and Anafenza are interchangeable. No real opinion here.
Valakut for... Scapeshift? Why not simply Scapeshift?
>>48310901
>>48313020
How about Elvish Archdruid?
>>48313168
Eh, I like Shaman better but here's a version with fixed Nahiri/Karn and Elvish Archdruid.
>>48310505
AN honestly is the worst because i'm not fast enough to race them and leyline shuts off my interaction
scapeshift and tron are scary because removal is weak against them and they topdeck bombs
>>48313020
>Why not simply Scapeshift
well i was thinking of the gr titan and breach variants which often forgo scapeshift but they share valakut as a wincon? idk maybe they shouldn't be lumped in one square
>>48312049
against heavy removal, could infect win off Thrun?
>>48313261
>no goyf
>no rhino
>no liliana
>no lingering
>no bolt
>no pte
what's the point
>>48313299
Fair enough.
>>48313390
To represent the decks in the current metagame. Each picture refers to one specific deck (when you see Blighted Agent, you automatically think of GU Infect).
The only ones with a decent argument for inclusion are Lingering Souls (Tokens) and Siege Rhino (Abzan), but those decks are very bad right now.
>>48313466
>junk
>very bad right now
???
But yeah tokens will always be a 2.5-3 tier deck.
>>48313426
how about kommand for grixis and esper charm for esper
>>48313529
If you want to play BGx, Jund is the way to go.
If you want to play BGW, Abzan Company is the way to go.
Nobody plays Abzan anymore.
>>48313555
>esper
nice meme
>>48313577
http://modernnexus.com/attacking-settled-metagame-esper-control-modern/
>>48313774
Posting a link doesn't make Esper a deck. I can do this too.
>http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=13015&d=275944&f=MO
>>48313426
Why does this chart not have scapeshift on it? Its a solid tier 2 deck and is more relevant than decks like dredge.
>>48314078
It's using Valakut as a representative for Scapeshift and GR Valakut decks that use Through the Breach, although if this is what its gonna be I suggest >>48313426 changes it to the original Zendikar art
>mfw I unload a trade away a shitton of edh jank for modern staples
Anyone else got any recent good trades? Bad ones?
>>48310505
As a Burn player Abzan and Jeskai are my worst matchups even though I actually ended up 2-0ing Abzan at FNM yesterday
When I play Scapeshifts its Infect and Affinity
Is there a site like YGOpro for MtG? I want to try some decks before I buy.
Should I buy Esper draw go or BW tokens? I like both, but don't have the cash to buy them both. Which deck is more competitive?
>>48314509
You're options are Xmage and Cockatrice. Cockatrice needs you to actually play it out yourself like Duelling Network, while Xmage plays it out for you like with YGOpro.
>>48314554
Then Cockatrice is probably the better idea so I get a better feel for things. Which is more popular though?
>>48313556
I do, do quite well on an FNM level due to my local meta. Always switch to Jund for big events though
>>48314582
Xmage has been rising in popularity but overall Cockatrice has more players since it's been around longer. Cockatrice is probably better in the end since it forces you to actually play the game out yourself instead of having the computer play it out for you. Just be wary of retards and prepared to get into rules arguments.
>>48314644
Thanks, I'm not too experienced with MtG so I'll probably just roll over and accept the bitching.
I want to make a gimmicky as fuck deck. Recommend me some really weird cards to base a deck around.
>>48314827
>>48314552
Tokens does have more competitive finishes under its belt, but I would buy Esper for a couple reasons.
First, Esper is more interactive and has a higher skill ceiling than Tokens so it will be more interesting to play for a long period of time if it's your only deck.
Second, Esper has more staple cards in it so your investment helps you buy into other decks if/when you do decide to do that.
Third, Esper is more adaptable to the metagame and can be built to beat almost any deck. It's much harder for Tokens to cover its bad matchups without compromising the deck's basic strategy.
I just want to play Esper in modern please don't hurt me
1 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
3 Drogskol Captain
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
3 Tormented Soul
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Rattlechains
3 Mausoleum Wanderer
3 Selfless Spirit
2 Spell Queller
2 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Logic Knot
2 Mana Leak
3 Path to Exile
2 Lingering Souls
3 Hallowed Fountain
1 Watery Grave
1 Godless Shrine
2 Polluted Delta
2 Marsh Flats
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Glacial Fortress
1 Kataki, War's Wage
3 AEther Vial
SB: 1 Kataki, War's Wage
SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
SB: 2 Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Spell Snare
SB: 2 Disenchant
SB: 2 Stony Silence
SB: 1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
SB: 2 Dispel
How do I start? Do I just copy a deck then play until I see an opponent use something I want to base a deck around?
>>48315203
Figure out what kind of deckarchtype you want to play, each is different. Aggro, midrange, control, combo, tempo
Then find decks in that archetype you like
Figure out the price you're comfortable with
Find lists, copy one. Get used to the deck then tweak it to fit your meta
>>48314078
>>48314171
(sigh)
Literally using worse art.
>>48315964
Let's be honest, it really needs the Kamigawa Kiki Jiki art too
That Modern Masters thing is a monstrosity
>>48316020
The art is fine. Really screams "game over".
The more I play the more I realize I like Yugioh more. What's wrong with me?
>>48316664
Maybe you're a masochist who wants Konami to fuck you over even harder? Excited for that upcoming Yugioh Pachinko game?
>>48316701
I just like the bouncing and energy. I don't like waiting for mana.
What are the top 3 most boring modern decks to play against? Must be tier 3 or higher according to the paper metagame here >>48307493.
>>48316722
Ad Nauseam
Tron
Storm
Playing against these is objectively boring.
>>48316941
Whats wrong with playing against ad nauseam combo?
>Path opponent's turn 1 Glistener Elf
>They play a turn 2 Blighted Agent
>No more removal in hand
Every time
>>48316998
AN masturbates until it can either "oops i win" or "if i had drawn the next card i would have won!!!!!!!!!!!!", and your gameplan against AN is either "I must kill you before you can combo off" or "I must disrupt you via discard spam".
Basically not very interesting to play against AN.
>>48314552
I like BW Tokens a lot personally. Scapeshift and tron are the only consistently terrible matchups but luckily for me, only one guy plays tron and no current scapeshift in my meta.
The only really expensive thing about the deck is Marsh flats but that's because I'm not convinced bitterblossom is a better build and play raise the alarm instead
I need the cheapest, most competitive, long lasting deck.
Where should I look?
Budget options that can be upgraded into competitive decks are also an option.
>>48317101
Mono Red Burn -> R/G or R/W Burn -> R/G/W Burn
New to modern but I've watched some streams. I want to try out hatebears but I don't want to get facerolled. Is there a way to do this?
>>48317408
By playing the deck until you master it.
>>48317140
I would love to play that.
Half my scene is Tron. The other half is burn.
Literally all they play here to the point it's become a joke on the local Facebook.
>>48313299
>against heavy removal, could infect win off Thrun?
I guess so but I've never heard of an infect deck running Thrun.
>>48317408
hatebears/death and taxes is relatively skill based so it rewards you a lot for being better than your opponent. I ply bw eldrazi dnt right now and at any given point there's a lot i can do and i lose if i make the wrong decision. whereas a lot of other decks are straight linear
>>48316998
I play Jund, so I love playing against Ad Naus. Even pre board I get to look at my opening hand and try and visualize all the ways each card puts a dick in a different one of his holes.
Hey if he gets to jerk off and win, so do I.
>>48313299
Against bolts and paths.dec Infect can bring 2-3 Invisible Stalkers if Spellskites don't do the trick. Two spellskites + Wild Defiance is basically one shot kill every time and Stalker punches through after everything else fails.
>>48317047
Discard isn't a factor in g2/3.
>>48318465
>He mulls to 4 for Leyline
>I beat him to death with Tarmogoyfs and Bob goes completely undisrupted
Leyline only helps if you manage to get it in your opening 7 and your opponent completely whiffs on creatures. God help you if you mull for it and a Jund opponent leaves in Pulses or has Decays for your rocks.
>>48318560
You don't need Leyline if you have a hand that's resilient to 1-2 discard spells (which are usually cast turns 1 and 2). None of Jund's creatures clock faster than the average AN goldfish. Pulsing or Decaying Lotus Bloom does nothing since you go off 99% of the time when it's off suspend, upkeep as well.
>>48315004
But if esper is that solid, who does no one play it? Is it a case of nobody been interested in playing draw go control in its purest form?
>>48317015
>not always having one mana and path ready for after buffs/hexproof reaponse
How good is PucaTrade as an exchange medium provided I dont want to pay for any premium shit.
My situation is that I have a bunch of EM value - foil Vampiric Tutor, foil Sylvan Library, Force of Will etc. I will never play them (or already have non-foils). I do want to finally complete my infect and so need U/G fetches and Noble Hierarchs. Will I be able to achieve it in reasonable timeframe?
>>48320482
From what I hear it's not a good method to get actually valuable cards as everyone is more prone to send out their junk to accumulate points.
You would get your stuff eventually, but I hope you're real patient
>>48320526
That's not good - I would like to play the deck at my next modern FNM in a few weeks.
What are the realistic ways of actually converting my valuable cards into modern staples, short of just selling them on e-bay and buying Hierarchs/fetches with proceeds of sale?
So I've got this meme deck I love to death, after a dozen games this is where I'm at. Any rec?
I don't want any straight mill that isn't spiral, but beyond that I'm pretty open to suggestions otherwise. The tutelage grind just feels so right.
deckstats.net/deck-10608822-42ede70d589c94007694137e94a7155e.html
>>48316020
But the art is mirrored bud, how sick is that
>>48320591
See if your LGS will give you a good price
>>48320833
What if you added a bunch of lab maniac and targeted yourself.
>>48320482
Infect only needs 1 misty rainforest, the rest of your fetches can be the green khans ones since everything in your deck is a forest. That'll save you some money.
>>48321026
It needs exactly 0 Rainforests. Infect only really needs basic Forests and Breeding Pool.
Any Gx fetchland is fine.
>>48321026
>>48321088
Oh. That's actually really useful to know, thank you.
Speaking of infect, I have some more questions.
>Is it worth running 4 Gitaxian probes in G Infect (I am running it mono G while building proper one)
>How many Surgical Extractions in sideboard is too much?
>>48321130
Also, is it reasonable to mainboard 1 Spellskite? I am doing it right now and find it reasonably good when it works but maybe Im just shit at this game.
>>48321149
If your meta is heavy with Jund and UWx removal piles you can main 2 spellskites and throw in a wild defiance while you're at it. Rancor is a great recurring way to push damage through.
>>48318910
>draw-go
>solid
Pick one.
I can only buy one deck, should I buy
>Ad Nauseam
>Dredge
>Living End
>Eldrazi Tron
I like playing Eldrazi Tron but everyone here plays some kind of Tron or Burn. Please advise.
>>48321359
Ad Nauseam if you want to win games. The best Tron build is the old RG one with Eyes swapped for Sanctums and 1-2 World Breakers.
>>48321359
Buy into Bant Eldrazi instead. The Hierarchs and Caverns are forever.
Be aware that it requires a skilled pilot to do well with it. Maybe not the best deck to start with.
>>48321220
>draw-go
>not solid
>>48321393
I do want to win.
>>48321426
The prices are nuts though. Will Bant Eldrazi be staying around for a while?
What if Naya burn dropped Atarka's Command and ran Mantis Rider?
>>48321710
>drop a bolt to run a more costly boltable body
Okay
>>48321708
They are forever. If Bant Eldrazi somehow dies at some point, you can recycle your Hierarchs and Caverns into something else.
Don't fall for the "buy a deck with no reusable staples". You'll hate yourself when you want to get involved in the format more.
Can someone explain RG Breach? You just get tons of mana or play Through the Breach to get out Emrakul for a turn?
Seems fun.
>>48321928
RG Breach isn't really capable of hardcasting Emrakul, and most lists don't really run it
Breaching a Primeval Titan (assuming no blockers and 4 mountains in play) is already 18 damage (first Prime Time trigger fetch 2 Valakut, when it attacks with haste fetch 2 mountains) plus turns all your ramp spells and mountains into 6 damage bolts for the rest of the game if it doesn't end right there
On top of the combo being about as potent, you can actually hardcast Titan if you don't draw Breach, with Emrakul it sits in your hand and does nothing, so there's really no reason to play it,other than the fact that playing Emrakul is cool
>>48322034
>Titan ETB get Glimmerpost x2
>Attack trigget get Glimmerpost x2
>Bazinga
I haven't played magic since I was a kid. This is my first attempt ever at constructing a casual modern deck. It's not finished, obviously. I just wanted some comments on the main strategy behind it. Could it hold up on some Friday nights if I'm lucky?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/black-soul-sisters-2/
>>48322252
Edit deck to not be private, anon.
>>48322274
Sorry. Done.
>>48322243
Glimmerpost is the life gain one
>>48322252
Use Thragtusk instead of Siegerhino.
Unless you really like black, in which case, you need some real removal.
What's the best place to sell individual cards online? I heard that ebay is a scam-ridden shithole
>tfw my shop doesn't buy singles
>tfw beating T1/T2 decks with esper draw go
I love this fucking deck
>>48322394
please to post a list my man
>>48321393
Too bad Ad Naus is the world's most boring combo.
>>48322034
Sounds like fun.
Only problem is it's as expensive as Tier 1 top decks so I don't see the point of buying into it.
>>48322444
The real problem is that the most expensive piece in the deck, Through the Breach, isn't really useful in any other decks except Grishoalbrand
>>48322419
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Cryptic Command
4 Esper Charm
4 Think Twice
2 Logic Knot
2 Negate
4 Path to Exile
2 Remand
2 Secure the Wastes
2 Spell Snare
2 Sphinx's Revelation
3 Supreme Verdict
1 Plains
4 Polluted Delta
4 Celestial Colonnade
2 Drowned Catacomb
4 Flooded Strand
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Glacial Fortress
2 Hallowed Fountain
3 Island
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
SB: 2 Condemn
SB: 2 Dispel
SB: 1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
SB: 2 Engineered Explosives
SB: 2 Lingering Souls
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Curse of Death's Hold
SB: 1 Timely Reinforcements
SB: 2 Stony Silence
It is pretty much Wafo's list. I've been playing it for like a day and I still make lots of mistakes as it is a hard deck to play, but I'm already raping ass. It's really fun if you like real control.
>>48322252
Drop the Dash Hopes and a single Duress to get a 3/2 split of Abzan Charm and Path to Exile.
Lingering Souls is also a hell of a card that you're missing out on.
>>48322034
Most lists that place well are running 3 to 4 Emrakul.
>>48322677
It seems like if they run Emrakul they run Summoning Trap.
The Emrakul win condition ones don't seem as sturdy as the ones without have more win conditions.
>>48322551
People have been trying to force this exact same tired old shit for years now, so the idea that you'd magically start winning now is retarded.
>>48322884
Well, I just started playing it yesterday. Started trying it out after Wafo 5-0'd like 6 MTGO tournies in a row. I genuinely don't understand why nobody plays it.
>>48322953
Tron, Infect, Ad Nauseam and Jund
>>48322252
First of all lands that come in tapped are usually trash unless they can do something like turning into a creature. Second you are running more than a full playset of two of them.
>>48323070
Jund is a positive MU and Infect is 50/50
AN and Tron fuck you in the ass tho, I agree.
I was wondering if anyone could provide tough, but constructive criticism for my deck. This deck isn't modern legal, all I am aiming for is a "budget kitchen table" deck. The gameplan with this one is to poop out a bunch of 1/1 flyers. Thank you in advance.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thopter-city-2/
>>48323233
>This deck isn't modern legal
>MTG Modern General
>>48323233
Fammelam how are we supposed to give advice for casual decks?
We don't know the powerlevel of your playgroup and you want it to be budget even for a kitchen table deck. Just go to Gatherer and search for 1/1's with flying or some shit and add what you find.
What are some fun tribal decks for modern? Doesnt need to be very good its just for tabletop-play. I was thinking rats or perhaps treefolk, but I dont know if they are any good.
>>48323656
kitchen-table* ayy
>>48323656
Good tribals
>Merfolk
>Elves
Almost good tribals
>Fairies
>Goblins
>Spirits (maybe)
Mediocre tribals
>Shamans
>Kithkin
>Rats
Bad tribals
>the rest
Did I miss anything?
>>48323755
Good tribal: Eldrazi
It can be fairly cheap, too. Thanks Standard (and Eldrazi Temple reprints).
And if this is for casual play, you can surprise buttsex everyone with Eye of Ugins.
>>48323070
>Jund
Esper crushes Jund, it's hardly fair unless he has Bob on T2 and you can't answer it quickly. Even Lili's not dangerous if you can keep her off her ultimate. We have enough card draw to break through the discard.
>Ad Nauseam
Only like 2% of the meta, and not as bad of an MU as you think if you just use Esper Charm aggressively and have a decent SB plan.
>Infect
This deck is definitely a problem, but it should get better with Blessed Alliance.
>Tron
Without Eye and Emrakul they don't have inevitability over use any more. Whether or not it's a good MU depends heavily on your 75. The current list Wafo plays is weak to Tron, but the old one with Shadow of Doubt, Stony Silence, and Teferi was much better.
>>48323656
Lightning bolts
They even have a 2 mana lord
How terrible is Eldrazi Tron? It seems fun to play even if RG and U Tron shit all over it.
I really like swinging big and MAH FLAVOR but I just want a solid cheaper deck (mana base for Eldrazi Tron is super cheap).
>>48324080
i don't think utron shits over anything except maybe the mirror
>>48323755
I already play elves, my brother plays goblins and my friend plays merfolk so they are ruled out. Shamans seem interesting though
>>48323998
It's hilarious reading the spoiler discussion surrounding this card. I do have to admit that I criminally underrated Young Pyromancer when it was first revealed.
>Get interested in MTG
>Think I wanna play RG Breach
>Guy puts a play set up for 100
>Wife won't give me the 100 dollars she gave to me for gas and food for a trip (forgot I had it)
>Wife says I'll regret spending money on "card game nerd shit"
Divorce? She'll probably get the kid even though I make all the money.
>>48324621
My mom gave me that money, not my wife. My wife doesn't make any money.
>>48324621
>>48324635
Yes fucking divorce her
>>48324648
divorce his mom?
>>48324621
Fuckin normie shit, play children's card games to your hearts content
>>48324679
Not allowed it seems. She told me I have a problem with addiction because I bought 5 Pauper decks over 5 months. Send help.
>>48324726
Divorce her
>>48317015
You are bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_EyC5Espk
this thing any good?
>>48324902
Yeah, it's a really solid deck that I'd bring to any GP. It is especially good against jund, affinity and tron.
been playing aggro izzet now, thoughts?
i have like 60% win rate with it so far
>Land (18)
3x Island
3x Mountain
4x Shivan Reef
4x Steam Vents
4x Sulfur Falls
>Instant (12)
4x Izzet Charm
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Magma Jet
2x Shard Volley
>Creature (16)
4x Delver of Secrets Flip
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Stormchaser Mage
4x Young Pyromancer
>Sorcery (14)
2x Faithless Looting
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions
4x Sleight of Hand
>>48324902
>Aryan nationalist Travis "Dredge uber alles" Woo posts a cheap memedern deck
>>48325023
>60% win rate
against what?
u tron?
>>48325052
shit on xmage
it was more of an example of, "it does fairly good so far, im not getting 100% dicked on" rather than actual statistic
ive yet to take it to my LGS
>>48325086
>xmage
>not cockatrice
>>48325227
i use both
I'm looking for a basic list to start building a wee dragonauts deck from. I don't care about winning all the time, as long as it's fun. Wee dragonauts, chandra's Phoenix, 2x Chandra the firebrand and playsets of lightning bolt and fireball seem like a good start. What do you guys think? I just wanna burn and slap bitches, while having access to counterspell and Blue nofuns.
>>48325260
Do some crazy u/r or u/r/x delver deck then anon
You can run delver, wee dragonaughts, young pyromancer and Chandra's Phoenix. You get bolts and remand and all that other good stuff.
All your creatures want you to play cheap spells and you get cheap counters and burn spells
Every 3Rd colour splash will help too,
White: boros charm for tons of burn, lightning helix, and monastery mentor
Green: goyf for the most part
Black: terminate for strong removal and some black creatures that benefit off lots of spells being cast like gurmag angler
>>48310505
I play burn and and abzan company has given me more trouble than anything else. I haven't played against all of these decks though.
>>48307471
>infect match-up
I built a home brew deck that has a lot of removal and re-currence. Infect is dead in the water against my deck. Currently I'm trying to practice the Jund matchup.
Been playing Jund but how is its match up against kiki chord because we test in our gauntlet and it always gets decimated by chord.
The deck can hang on for a while but when both decka enter top deck mode I feel like chord might be better at top decking than jund. It was admitted that the top deck for chord were nuts. Like chord or resto.
Thoughts?
Which deck is more spike, RG Breach or Living End?
Which one should I play?
NB4 Ad Nauseum.
>>48327528
Living end is trash and breach is mediocre
>>48310505
Dredge. Holy fuck this new Dredge deck is real and it's terrifying.
Packing 4+ graveyard hate just for this shit fucking nazi no fun allowed deck.
>>48327648
>t. Dredge player
>>48327548
I didn't ask your opinion on them you mouth breathing idiot.
There are more decks than Jund and Infect you knob gobbler.
>>48327648
Dredge dies every time I side in a relic. Stop complaining about the sideboard actually doing work.
>>48326481
Jund is a fair deck while Kiki is combo. Just have to not lose the tempo race. Best way to do that is protect Bob. He'll win you that game.
>>48327548
>Decks that consistently place 5-0 are mediocre and trash
This is what 4chan armchair Modern players actually believe.
>>48308952
don't be a nigga
>>48324726
win her favor by getting her jund
>>48325260
consider electrolyze over fireball
>>48326481
can't you just kill all their stuff? run anger or languish or something
>>48308621
>>48310115
looked at this again. WHAT THE HECK
How does it feel to know that in 8 months there will be absolutely no one in the competitive scene in MTG besides Standard due to prices?
>>48329746
I don't understand this meme. Thousands of Modern and Legacy players already have cards, they aren't just going to stop playing because the game is expensive now.
>>48329746
Dude, with the new rotations people are leaving standard for other formats. Standard attendance has gone down at my LGS, while modern and legacy have both gone up.
>>48315159
Move Spirit of the Labirynth to the sideboard, it's a terrible card to have on the main.
Also, Kataki mainboard?
>>48330315
>>48329802
>>48329746
what are some staples that will be rotating out?
correct amount of lands in Jeskai Control? Including some big boyyos like Nahiri and a few Ajani Vengeants, but lists I'm looking up range from 24-26.
>>48307471
>Eldritch moon cards
The vampire horror who exiles the top card when it deals damage (allowing you to play it) seems like it could be a cute card for burn.
New lilly might see fringe play with people trying to make zombie tribal. We'll see if that goes anywhere.
Anyone here play elves? Ive been thinking about this list cause its not to pricey and seems really fun.
>>48330858
Disable Expeditions, you monster.
>>48330858
3 Nykthos is a little too much. Treat the card more like a spell than a land. 1-2 is what you should run. I would keep a single copy of Rec Sage in the main just so you have an out against particular artifacts game 1 (Ensnaring Bridge etc.)
>>48330525
>standard
>staples
wew
>>48331003
Sorry papi
>>48331009
sounds good to me
>>48330794
Prophetic Flamespeaker was better and no one plays him.
>>48331158
To be fair he was only 1 power with Trample(and double strike) with double Red in the casting costs as opposed to a single red in the casting costs with 3 power and Trample.
>>48310505
Be ready to include this card up in there soon enough.
Budget is 400-500 bucks.
What's the longest lasting best deck I can buy? Ad Nauseum? Eldrazitron? Dredge?
>>48331476
Does this do anything against any relevant combo deck? It fails against ad nauseam combo and scapeshift can just counter it in response.
What deck would do best against tron and burn? Trying to spike my local meta.
>>48324239
Get Spirits, that's my personal advice. It's an amazing tempo/control deck that is a tribal at the same time, which makes it both skill-intensive and fun to play.
>>48331476
This thing is literally the only good Spirit. The rest of the deck are bad cards with the creature type "Spirit".
Rattlechains is weak and is necessary for the deck to work. The rest of the Spirit gang is pretty much shit cards in general.
Even the lord is a 2/2 flying for 1WU.
Just play Faeries. I could maybe, MAYBE see Spell Queller in Esper Faeries or something, but for now it should stick to something like Kiki Chord.
>>48331559
>Counter it in response
Cavern of Souls, my friend.
Even if you had none on board you could always counter the counter with Mausoleum Wanderer and removal isn't a problem with Drogskol Captain or these bad boys.
>>48331740
Jeskai Ascendancy combo and Jund.
>>48331003
How do I do it?
>>48308923
Speaking of Selfless Spirit, would it be a good include in BW tokens?
>>48331946
Did you even play the deck? At all?
The fuck do you think your board will look like in the first 4 turns?
>>48331873
>This thing is literally the only good Spirit.
I hate using this expresion because it sounds terribly arrogant, but you are objectively wrong.
>Rattlechains is weak and is necessary for the deck to work.
In what world is a 2/1 flash flier with a relevant ETB trigger that also acts as a lord for 1U considered weak?, Rattlechains is one of the most pushed cards in the block desu senpai. Counting with such a versatile card is in no way a drawback, but a feature.
>Even the lord is a 2/2 flying for 1WU.
... A lord that also grants hexproof, one of the most busted keywords in the game, specially alongside "can't be countered" from Cavern and perhaps Indestructible from Selfless Soul. That last one I'm a bit iffy on but it's a good sideboard card at the very least.
Also it's not THE lord. Spirits actually get two other 'lords', both for two mana. Anafenza who works almost exactly like a lord except you get to redistribute the counters to your Mausoleum Wanderers and whatnot and Phantasmal Image, who comes down the same turn as Drogskol Captain with vial, can copy it or Spell Queller and has no drawback as long as Drogskol is on the field.
But the biggest thing Spirits have to offer is tokens, particularly Lingering Souls, which combo amazingly with Mausoleum Wanderer and Promise of Bunrei, one of the most cost-efficient token generator in the game.
There are also great Black spirits like Bloodghast that give the deck resiliency so it can actually come back from a Wrath or Pyroclasm, unlike Merfolk.
Spirits shouldn't be compared to Merfolk or Elves though, since they aren't an aggro deck.
>>48331979
Deck Builder, Edit Sets, uncheck Expeditions.
>>48332280
Well, you should be running 4-ofs of Mausoleum, Rattlechains, Drogskol, Phantasmal Image, Vials (3 at the very least), Caverns and perhaps Quellers (though I prefer running 3 and having Phantasmal Image be Quellers 4 to 7), so you've got a 50% of having any of those in your opening hand i any combination. Then if you are lucky the ideal curve would go as follows:
>T1: Cavern -> Vial
>T2: Plains -> Anafenza -> Tap Vial for Mausoleum Wanderer
>T3: Land -> Drogskol Captain -> Tap Vial for Phantasmal Image, copy Drogskol
At this point since you can distribute the +1/+1 counters as you please since all the creatures in your board have the same toughness, which means you van pile them on Anafenza and Mausoleum Wanderer (who is a 5/5 now from two Spirits entering the field) and swing for a total of 10 life T3.
Of course hands like that happen every once in a while only, but even if you don't pull it off you should have secured your position by T4. The deck has tons of protection / counter effects, so if you haven't odds are you are just playing it badly.
As I said, it's a skill intensive deck, for the good and the bad, which means it can be challenging to play.
>>48332586
Bolster puts the counter on the lowest toughness you control, so I doubt you can "pile" them on anything so much as you can distribute them evenly.
>>48331963
Jeskass memer here, burn will generally have a field day unless you're running a fairly interactive list, and even then I don't know a burn player that doesn't run multiple destructive revelries in the sb.
Eidolon is a boner killer, birds get bolted, it's just an all around shitshow.
>>48322243
>>>/legacy 12 post/
>>48332682
As I said, by that point all creatures you control are 2/2s, so you can place them with quite a bit of liberty. Sure, most times you'll have to distribute them evenly, but it's good to remember that isn't always the case.
>>48323755
>Mediocre tribals
>Shamansit wins sometimes
>>48324327
link?
>>48332586
>>48332826
I had quite a good laugh reading these posts. I have screencapped them all so we can look at it in a month.
>>48332956
Yes, it'll be in time that I'll be proved either wrong or right. Which one will it be I wonder...?
Never forget though: /tg/ is shitte at Magic.
>>48332956
Did someone say Spellweaver Helix
>>48332956
If you screencap anything, be sure to screencap it all and do so well. I'm tired of seeing butchered screencaps made by some memester unable to grasp notions like coherence and continuity.
