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>last time on Jumpchain...
>>48286956
>>48296519
>Burger-land is sleeping
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK.
>>48296519
...But it's not even evening on the west coast.
>>48296558
>not even evening on the west coast yet
FTFY
>>48296519
Its only 8 pm.
And its friday.
Burgerland is awake for at least another 12 hours.
Did someone say burgers?
>>48296558
Worst coast
Jumpers seeing as OP is a faggot as usual what do you put on your burgers? Any special ingredients you use from another world?Inb4 Toriko or the souls of the innocent.
So now that we're making 1500cp the new standard budget, what other jumps can we improve with this innovative change?
Are there any perks that help one to resist reality warping? [spoilers] If it helps, I'm asking for SCP. [/spoilers]
>>48296624
>special ingredients
>that spoilerA bagel.Two bagels.
>>48296624
[spoilers] No Bacon. [/spoilers]
>>48296629
Now that we're shitposting, what else can we use as a topic of shitpost?
>>48296642
You suck at spoilers anon.
>>48296630
>>48296642
>can't into spoilersAnons...
I'm reposting a question from the last thread because not enough people gave answers for me to come to any real conclusions, but what about R-type? What did you do in R-type, what should I do in R-type, what even fucking is R-type.
>>48296642
So, wait, do you just not put bacon on your burgers, or do you put the absence of bacon on your burgers. It's an important distinction.
>>48296624
You just gotta turn up the HEATMETARUUUUUUU
>>48296639
How many times have you purged humanity?
>>48296670
How many bagels have you eaten in your life?
>>48296682
DIOOOO!
>>48296624
...I use literally divine beef and bacon. Some people looked at my jumper weirdly when he started deifying a holy trinity of a cow, pig, and chicken. But it was worth it.
>>48296630
Not being there?
>>48296682
Enough to fuck your mother last night.
>>48296624
well Taking the spoiler into consideration I do season them with Melange.
>>48296682
Teo thousand two hundred and thirty six bagels. I have memory perks so it is rather hard to forget.
>>48296630
Be able to warp reality yourself, harder than your opponent.
>>48296715
I don't know of any perks that let you do that.
>>48296624
Magic Illuminati Goblin cheese and a fried dragon egg.
Now I'm not staking claim or anything on it, but let's say that, hypothetically, I were to make a Demolition Man Jump.
Would you want it?Or more specifically, would you be okay with ME making it?
And, more importantly, what are perks that you would want it to have?
>>48296630
Plot Armor/luck perks.
>>48296723
Step 1. Be ridiculously powerful.
Step 2. Have a way to translate that into reality warping.
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit.
>>48296659
Bullet hell I think
>>48296749
>Or more specifically, would you be okay with ME making it?
As someone who hasn't been around that long, why would this be an issue? What jumps have you done?
>>48296749
I though someone was already making it? Or was that you saying you wanted to at one point?
>>48296624
>mfwHow about no?
>>48296766
He made Supreme Commander.
aka "LoT-Garage"
>>48294776
>Would it be more acceptable if I maid it so that the Automatic Import was instead "Free Import of up to 32 companions, but unless you pay the 300 they are powered down for the jump. But any you don't import are locked out of the jump, since you will be smashing against the companion limit."
More acceptable, but personally I'd prefer "you may import up to 32 companions, but unless you pay the 300 they are powered down for the jump. However, any you do not import are subject to the standard 8 active limit, and count towards the imported 32 limit" would work better. Allows swapping companions injump, allows use of things like symbiotes or ai assistants, saves hassle when your transport is also a companion.
>>48296749
Do it, I need a high class Taco Bell franchise to call my own.
>>48296659
Fought the Bydo and pointedly refused to go into the Galaxy of Abyss.
Fight the Bydo and maybe go into the Galaxy of Abyss if you think you've got the chops to try and end the Bydo once and for all. At least until weird time shit brings them back.
It's a shmup.
jdsfkan
>>48296766
Terminator, Robocop, True Lies, and Supreme Commander.
>>48296768
Not that I've heard of.
>>48296659
Maximum science. Bydo are a gold mine of time, space, mass, and energy breaking bullshit.
>>48296749
>Would you want it?
I'm not specifically interested in it, but new jumps are always good.
>Or more specifically, would you be okay with ME making it?
YES!
I'm... afraid I'm not really qualified to suggest perks for it though. Would need to watch it first...
>>48296758
Step 2 is a doozy.
>>48296749
You do what you want
>>48296778
(Also, if the companions that are imported as part of the 32 team could keep intelligence perks, or at the least memory perks, that'd be great. Be a bit of a letdown talking with your companions if they suddenly start forgetting large chunks of your long, long time together or get significantly dumber.)
>>48296821
It really isn't. There are ways and means that aren't oft talked about, but that's the official test for becoming a high powered jumper; figuring out your own method of translating your frankly outrageous power level into reality warping.
>>48296778
This. I paid CP to buff my 8 companions in previous jumps. Do not force me to pay more CP just to avoid having those purchases removed in yours.
>>48296624
I'm a simple man. Bun, Meat, Spices, Cheese, Bun.
>>48296749
Taco Bell
That shitty Laser Gun
Self-driving Car
That one Cyro-stick from the end of the movieKnowledge of how the Three Seashells work
Continuity Drawback from Generic 80's Action Movie, where you got Frozen like Stallone.
>>48296630
Honestly, as much as it will pain people to hear it, Alexandria Package, though this is dependent on the update.
I recall that it applies the Manton Effect on shot that would affect you, so that Reality Warper kay be able to turn that chair into cow girl, but they can't do shit to you or your body at all, fuckers can't even read your mind, or edit you specifically.
Can I just say I'm really fucking excited to be a shard in Worm without taking a drawback?
For Ravenloft, is it intentional that Nobles don't have a capstone, and Drop-ins have two?
>>48296933I'm excited for the update in general, almost double the content, 8 fucking powers per category is amazing
>>48296933
Agreed. Easily the part I'm looking forward to the most.
>>48296941
Ravenloft is from an older Era, back when there was a dedicated "Item Origin"
You'll see that Noble has a lot of Discounts for Items.
Unless I'm completely off my mark
>>48296901
>>48296781
There will be both Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.
It wasn't a laser gun, but I got it.
Didn't think about the driving car, will have.
Cryo stick will come with instruction for more.There will be a free perk for the shells and a drawback for them too
I can have a cryo drawback with an optional attachment to 80's action.
>>48296749
Never seen it.
Obviously yes, your jumps are top drawer.
None. I'm sorry.A Wesley Sniper rifle.
>>48296965
Nope, that's the Merchant background. Merchants have only one perk discount, and discount on all items.
Nobles have a few discounts, but no capstone it seems. 3 600 CPs, two are discounted drop-in and one Peasant.
>>48296988
Huh, weird. I dunno man.
>>48296624
Curry Sauce
>>48296848
There are many ways to do it, but the term "reality warping" is frequently quite vague and nigh-meaningless. Sufficiently advanced TK, Magic, etc. can all be considered reality warping.
>>48296981
Companion Option for Sandra Bullock? Not the Cop she plays, just Sandra BuillockThat was a Joke
>>48296749
How do we use the clams?
>>48297009
Well, the specific version that people are generally referring to when they talk about reality warping is blatant disregard for the laws of physics in any sense and the ability to wholesale rewrite them.
>>48297021
It's like a Bidet
Clam 1.Soap
Clam 2.Water
Clam 3.Dry
>>48297009
It really is, but pure reality warping is supposed to be a being's ability to simply change reality without real rules, unbound by psionic fatigue, magical resistances, or any other form of specification that'd lend it weakness.
>>48297012
Sorry, I asked the Benefactor if I could put it in.
She said no.
>>48297021
That will be a free perk.
And a +100 drawback to NOT know how to use them for the entire jump.
>>48297041
So magic, then?
>>48297065
Not really, most magic isn't that powerful or nearly as applicable.
>>48296933
Personally I'm not that fond of it, because I really like what perks I have discounts on with my current build. But I figure I can work something out, so I'm not worried.
>>48297062
>NOT know how to use them for the entire jump.
What happens if someone explains it?
Do we have Shirou's reaction to sex?
>>48297078
Eh, I'd argue that most is, just on a smaller scale than is usually seen with "reality warping".
>>48297093
No one is going to explain it to you.
Every time you ask they just laugh at you or look at you with confusion.
Is Demolition Man a comedy?
>>48297088
I like it because I've never gone to worm and I'm actually probably powerful enough to completely scramble the entire setting, and maybe there'll actually be something worthwhile for me in that background.
>>48297145
It's an Action-Comedy yes. It's that comedy that pokes fun at a genre for the first about half of the movie, then lovingly indulges in the things it was just poking fun at.
>>48297145
It's an action move that came out in the 90's and functions like it was the last action move of the 80's.
>>48297145
Technically no, effectively yes.
>>48297096
Really?
Casting fireball isn't really on the same level as summoning and destroying matter and energy, bending and altering time and space, ect.
>>48297182
Well, you do summon energy with that. So, that's one part there.
>>48297217
No, you're transforming mana into the process of combustion. One form of energy into another.
>>48296723
I remember an Anon has a brillaint combo that actually gave him the basics of Reality Warping. He picked up
Soft Physics (Worm, 'nother swig)
Scarlet Destiny (Touhou)
Any fucking mana amplifier, like Leaky Limiter (Mushoku Tensei)
Eightfold Path (Lord of Light)
Power Combination (Young Justice)
You combine Scarlet Destiny with Soft Physics and Eightfold to allow you to basically on touch fuck with things and turn them into shit they had a zero chance of turning into. This is because Scarlet increases probability, eightfold makes zero percent events into non-zero events and Soft Physics uses that shit to do some crazy shit. So long as you have mana, you can turn chairs into bombs of unprecedented power and pull peoples asses out of hats.
That Anon was pretty cool, hope he doesn't mind.
>>48297182
I can't really think of a magic system that doesn't have some form of transfiguration. Many of them can alter time (though usually not in reverse), as well as space. Quite a few also ignore conservation of mass and energy.
Heck, you could replicate minor reality warping with non-verbal, wand-less Harry Potter magic.
>>48297237
Depends on the magic system. Some don't use mana or other energy.
>>48297237
Assuming it's a system that uses mana. Harry Potter magic doesn't, for instance.
>>48297283
Those could be argued to just transform the energy from cosmic background radiation and ambient vibrations of particles, or the movement of the tectonic plates, or the power of the soul or whatever.
>>48297329
Which if not stated or implied anywhere, lack much reason to assume as such.
>>48297263
Harry Potter straight-up destroys conservation of mass and energy with things like permanent conjuration. Which, in Harry Potter, translates to creating real, permanent objects out of nothing. It basically allows you to create any nonmagical thing, including living things, by just pulling matter out of your ass with the power of MAGIC.
>>48296749
Seashells
>>48297329
And so could most examples of reality warping. But that would be stupid.
>>48297354
It's less ridiculous than assuming it just breaks the laws of physics, which I refuse to accept.
>>48297355
I didn't know it was permanent, actually, going off of conjured water which disappears (even outside of V-mort's cave).
Quick question about Chakra from Naruto. How easy would it be to teach people all the different powers and techniques? And how powerful could they become without any of the special eye or tailed beast abilities, or any of the other special stuff that can't be taught?
>>48297380
Then you don't accept reality warping exists as a concept in fiction?
>>48297355
Conjuration does not create permanent objects, you can however transfigure something into something with more mass.
>>48297355
>Harry Potter straight-up destroys conservation of mass and energy
You're assuming quite a lot there. All of it is incorrect.
>>48297050
Bidet are morally wrong.
>>48297419
No, I refuse to accept that magic is reality warping.
>>48297380
I don't even...
What?
How does one...?
>>48297413
pretty powerful. Fuinjutsu alone could make someone a force to be reckoned with.
>>48297380
I hate to tell you this, but waving a wand around and chanting in Latin in order to transform energy from tectonic plates shifting into fire also breaks the laws of physics.
>>48297428
Actually, permanent conjuration occurs in the books. It's different from regular conjuration which disappears after a short time.
I can't remember exactly where it happened but I remember Dumbledore doing it once and it was a big deal.
>>48297490
Nope.
Reality maintains, physics aren't broken, magic isn't reality warping.
Rolled 104, 87 = 191 (2d595)
>>48297490
In our world, yes. But in a world with magic, presumably the laws of physics are different. There's no reason to assume that physics are being defied when it makes much more sense to assume that magic is just interacting with a set of physical laws that normal processes don't. Modern electronics invoke all sorts of physics that don't happen in ordinary matter, that doesn't make them reality warping.
>>48297522
>magic isn't reality warping
Then explain Horcruxes and the Fidelius Charm.
Rolled 2 (1d8)
>>48294990
140 Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen
Witchwood
Dragon -450
Age 117
Mage, Sorcerer -125,
Articulacy -100, Suasion -100, Conveyance, Predation -100, Call of the Arisien, Majesty -100, It Begins -150,
Portcrystal -25, Eternal Ferrystone -50, Wyrmking’s Ring -300, Dragonforged(Heaven Piercing Spear),
The Messiah +300, Damion +200,
Well, this place is interesting. I'll have to kill a big freaking dragon soon. For a local, this fight would probably be nearly impossible. Especially one on one. I'll probably see how strong it is first, but in the end I will tear it's magic and it's soul away. I'll also create a Dragon Lacrima out of it. Waste not want not.
Continue
1 Showa Kamen Rider 1
2 Primal Rage
3 Macross
4 Order of the Stick
5 Viking Saga
6 Tales of Demons and Gods
7 Sunrider
8 Final Fantasy VII
>>48297580
primal rage next, need a new 2.
>>48297534
Then reality warping is just interacting with a different set of laws of physics, and isn't actually reality warping.
>>48297598
Sburb.
>>48297608
that was jump 8.
>>48297621
Biomega.
>>48297607
Exactly. There still have to be rules governing how your reality warping works. A world without rules is a world that has no underlying structure. Any warping of reality is therefore not a violation of physics but a revelation of a deeper, more complex level of it.
>>48297607
I think his sticking point is that magic (even in the most free-form of systems) has rules and limitations, while true reality warping is just shit happening completely arbitrarily.
>>48297629
queued
>>48297355
Can confirm. Killed a dragon with an RPG
>>48297434
How else would you explain it?
Also, hype building for the GuP jump. I may have to shuffle things around a bit, but I will have all my Ducks in a row.
>>48297642
>true reality warping is just shit happening completely arbitrarily
Nope. If you have literally any control over it, it's clearly working off of some system or set of laws. Therefore, >>48297630
>>48291904
Thread archived before I could post
Caveat, I do not play Warframe.
Keep CP at 1,000. changing that only fucks up the value of taking drawbacks, making them worth less.
If what you can buy with 1,000 CP is sucky compared to what a competent high end war frame player could / should be, then you are changing to much for your perks and/or Identies.
If you have to pay CP for things that are ubiquitous to the game and genre, then you are charging CP for stuff that should be free.
In other words, don't be the guy that charges to be a wizard in Harry Potter.
>>48297630
This is the post that sparked this chain of responses.
>>48297182
>Really?
>Casting fireball isn't really on the same level as summoning and destroying matter and energy, bending and altering time and space, ect.
>>48297662
Okay? Not sure the relevance of that to what I said. Could you elaborate further?
>>48297659
so what you are saying is that reality warping isn't reality warping so magic can't be reality warping because reality warping isn't reality warping cause reality warping doesn't exist because reasons.
Relating to events in Turkey right now,
How many coups have you committed and were they successful?
In Mass Effect I removed the Council at the earliest opportunity. Who would let people that would bury their heads in the sand and let billions die stay in power?
>>48297660
>Old IP
>>48297702
There was a coup in Turkey?
>>48297702
Have you ever heard of a little phrase called "too soon?"
Or maybe "keep /pol/ in /pol/?"
>>48297659
nice opinion
>>48297719
Still going on, no one knows what the fuck is going on.
>>48297720
Get over it you baby.
A question about Bayonetta: can I teach people how to become Lumen Sages post-jump?
Alternatively, what would I need to buy in order to create/train Lumen Sages in future jumps?
>>48297660
>I WANNA RESTART A SHITSTORM, GAIZ
>>48297749
Be a Lumen Sage. Buy Ritualistic Obsession with the Capstone Booster.
Bam. You can influence them to be Sages.
>>48297720
Can't be /pol/
They've been here five minutes and haven't called anyone a nigger or jew
>>48297534
If the laws of physics are different, how do you know that conservation of mass/energy is still a thing? That's a stupid assumption.
>>48297764
It's like Manyfist - absolutely have to get in his 2 cents even if the topic's been over and done.
>>48297799
Don't respond to greentext shitposter. Report and ignore.
>>48297786
Noether's Theorem. Any finite system is going to have conservation of energy, it's a mathematical certainty. The only way around it is to have a non-finite system or to have a world where the laws of mathematics are different. The first one is still sort of obeying conservation of energy, as you're not creating energy so much as drawing it from an infinite well, and the second one is too terrifying for me to contemplate as a legitimate possibility.
>>48297699
No, he's saying that in his definition reality warping occurs inexplicably and cannot be bound by a set of rules by its very definition and that if it does follow any sort of guidelines at all then it's not truly warping reality but rather is just an extension of the natural laws of physics.
Basically he's bullshitting himself by falling into the fallacy of assuming that magic will somehow "make sense" in accordance with everything else simply by merit of following a structured hierarchy. He's arbitrarily assuming that it functions according to the laws of physics because it follows a set of rules. The issue with this is that he's making an inexplicable leap of logic without any evidence to connect the rules of magic to the laws of physics.
Let's say that magic can't create gold for some reason. In his perspective he's assuming that because it can't create gold then there must be some logical reason why it can't. But in reality it quite literally could be that it simply can't do it for no definable reason. It can't create gold because it can't create gold. It just can't. There's no reason why it can't. It's just impossible.
>>48297812
>implying that isn't just that guy samefagging
>>48297812
Is that even a bannable offense?
>>48297827
No. Reality Warping is Reality Warping, but magic isn't. There's no other justification or explanation needed, magic just isn't Reality Warping, except in cases where it is. Conjuring shit or creating fireballs aren't Reality Warping, no matter how much you want to be in the cool kids club with anti-spiral anon.
>>48297854
Nope.
Also, the standards for shitposting are abysmal if THAT is considered such.
>>48297827
Which would mean that reality warpers(like Q) aren't reality warpers because they have control. Which means there are no reality warpers because reality warping isn't.
>>48297854
Shitposting? Of course it is.
>>48297720
>Too soon
No such thing, you fuckin sissy.
>>48297768
Cool. Another question about GoW- if I put points into "Smelt it Down" can apply those extra Forge Points to all my imported weapons, or will it only be applied to one?
>>48297827
>reality warping occurs inexplicably and cannot be bound by a set of rules
Funnily enough, in some settings that's a good definition of magic.
>>48297885
Uh huh, samefag harder, someone might fall for it.
>>48297881
>>48297895
So reality warping isn't reality warping because you say it isn't? What do you suppose reality warping is? It is the manipulation of reality, an operation which functions outside of the purview of conventional explanation and can only be described as being outside of the laws of physics. It is an operation which is separated from the normal operation of reality, the physical world which is ascribed logical laws.
Magic, by its very definition, is reality warping by the merit of its function being impossible to explain conventionally.
>>48296749
Sounds awesome.
Also I have a question.
You made the Robocop jump, yes?
How heretical would it be tochoose the remake as the setting I go to?
Don't get me wrong, I love the original and it's obviously the superior movie, I'm just asking.
>>48297917
Spread them out as you see fit. You aren't buying 400 points for each and every weapon, you're buying 400 points to divide up among your weapons as you desire. Sorry.
>>48297660
Apologies, but I've made my decision already.
>>48297957
And here comes our other resident shitposter, the 'everyone is the same guy and a shitposter if they disagree with me' guy. All we need now is 'your perks actually do nothing at all and are totally worthless' anon to show up and we'll have everybody.
>>48297963
While I think that magic can be as conventionally explained as quantum physics can, I don't disagree with you. In fact you pretty much restated my words in a far less snarky manner. If magic isn't reality warping because of having control over it, then reality warping isn't reality warping for the same reasons. AKA magic is reality warping because it is silly to say that reality warping isn't reality warping.
>>48297720
Who are you worried about having hurt feelings?
Did you lose someone in Turkey? Is that why it bothers you?
Are we not aloud to talk about those people that got run over in France the other day, because someone here might have had a loved one die in the attack?
>>48296519
It's not even 20:00 in most parts of Burger-land, mate.
If I take Hybrid in PSG as an Angel, does that grant me discounts on Demon skills as well?
Also, how high are the power levels in PSG? How strong should I be before heading there so I don't get squashed flat-out?
>>48297963
Nope. Magic isn't reality warping. Fuck off already, you can't create galaxies from nothing and build stable self contained timelines on a whim just because you went to harry potter, and you aren't catching anyone with your shitposting.
>>48298010
allowed*
fuck my stupid brain
So here is what I have so far.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uo5UyVPmrLNzl26zSrig3UP7_QQtTiY_jyr_eOGYnZo/edit
Suggestions are very helpful and appreciated.
>>48297965
Unless someone comes out with a Robocop Remake jump, I'll allow it.
It would be very heretical, but I'll allow it.
>>48298013
Kaiju level I think.
>>48298006
Magic isn't reality warping, because Reality Warping is Reality Warping, and Magic is Magic.
>>48298027
Don't reply to my posts unless you have something to contribute, loser.
>>48298027
reality warping can be on the small scale, the scale most magic works at. Just because you can't do large scale reality warping doesn't mean the small scale isn't reality warping. I don't know why I'm responding to a shitposter, but your argument is stupid and you are either stupid or a shitposter.
>>48298053
>People like robocop remake
>>48298060
That is a ridiculous statement. It literally says absolutely nothing. Is it a campaign promise? It has the same amount of content.
>>48298065
>>48298092
Samefags, shitposters, bait. Do not engage.
>>48298013
Around building level, with super sonic speeds, I think? Haven't watched in a while.
Definitely some big critters that hit above that every so often though.
>>48298053
There isn't really enough of anything yet to make suggestions.
>>48298013
>Hybrid giving discounts on the other perks
I don't think so, I think it just lets you buy them and use the other side's energy, whatever that means. There's supposedly an update coming, and I'd like to ask for more clarification on what Hybrid does from a practical standpoint.
>how high are the power levels
It strikes me as one of those shows where the powerlevels are whatever the plot needs them to be at the time. That said, most of the combat stuff seems like you'd be more than fine if you're fast enough to casually dodge a huge number of bullets and have some way to hurt beings that are unaffected by conventional weaponry. I would expect buying either the Demon or Angel origin would at least make you competitive.
>>48298083
>>48298092
>>48298006
Reality Warping is the literal fucking alteration of the functions of reality.
Magic has structure and systems that define it, as in, 'reality'.
They aren't the same, and never will be. Accept it. If you can't get this through your heads, then you are nothing more than low quality bait, or incredibly fucking stupid.
>>48298153
It's honestly best to assume they're just actually stupid.
>>48298167
It's been explained to them several times at this point and they won't listen, it's pretty obvious that they're trolling at this point.
>>48297975
That's fine, I only had 50 extra points to spend anyways. I'll grab my weapon a new neat ability instead.
At this point my main weapon is already a smorgasbord of different things. It's on its fifth iteration, and with each new version more and more is added to it. After GoW, it now has upwards of 12 different weapon modes.
RWBY weapon tech is a hell of a drug.
>>48298153
>>48298167
>>48298189
Samefagging? Probably.
Does anyone have the latest update to Adventure Time?
>>48298214
Everyone-is-Samefag shitposter? Probably.
>>48298222
It's in the previous thread, anon.
>>48298198
Wow, it's like the person who designed this has never held a knife or a revolver! Or even been in the same room as one!
>>48298222
>>48298233
I've seen this response before. You do this every time I call you out on it, and respond the same way everytime, it makes you painfully obvious.
>>48297975
Hey Red, if I customize my weapon with the option below, can it transform into any type of melee weapon or just one? Could I, for example, have my sword transform into a spear in the middle of a fight and then a dagger at the end?
>-Transform (150FP) (Cannot take with Natural Weapons): ROLL OUT! We're gonna blow those sti-... wait, we're not singing? Boo. Anyway, this weapon is very unique in of itself, as it can now transform into a different weapon type! You want that sword to become a lance? No problem. That hammer to be a shield? No problem! The power of the gods is great indeed to allow this kind of variety for you. For an additional 50FP, you may instead choose to combine this with another weapon of your choice... provided you bought or imported it.
>>48298290
Just one weapon type, sorry.
>>48298233
No, it's mainly that the exact same viewpoint was held by 3 "distinct" posters with similar grammatical errors and syntax.
Now hang on a second everyone. If we're talking about reality warping and magic, we need to discuss the possibility that perhaps rather than tearing apart the old laws, or even bending them, perhaps they're instead enforcing an alternate set of laws.
For example, let's take a look at Final Fantasy 6. Here, magic is clearly unnatural, as it is tied to the three gods, and later on Kefka, who's death removes magic. With magic, otherwise impossible feats, like summoning magic, raising the dead, firing fuck you beams, suplexing a train(there had to be SOME kind of magic there, there's no way he just went and suplexed a train), that stuff. However, even that has rules, limits: how much magic one can contain, how much they can use, what they can use if for, where does it come from. In a similar way, an eldritch abomination may not be warping reality, but imposing his reality. Maybe he came from a time/place where there was no conservation of energy, or something.
This is all just theory and speculation though, of course. I might be WAY off.
>>48298305
Alright, no problem. It's not really that important.
Can I purchase it multiple times though?
>>48298334
>I can tell exactly who is who on an internet forum by grammar!
Seriously guy?
>>48298247
Yep, par for the course as far as RWBY-verse weapons go.
Here is a Scyth-Rifle one of the Hunter Trainees wields. For some reason it's bolt action instead of semi-auto.
>>48298357
Then what do you call it when a jumper brings one type of magic into a setting that already has magic that uses entirely different, and possibly contradictory, rules?
>>48298334
So, I called it, no joke?
>>48298357
I think that's how it works in Lovecraft. At least for the Great Old Ones.
>>48298361
Knock yourself out, mang.
>>48298387
Well then you're pulling a GOO like this anon said >>48298412 and imposing your reality instead. Essentially, it's "I reject your reality and replace it with my own!", the physics.
>>48298357
>Now hang on a second everyone. If we're talking about reality warping and magic, we need to discuss the possibility that perhaps rather than tearing apart the old laws, or even bending them, perhaps they're instead enforcing an alternate set of laws.
Pretty much how I treat reality warping in general. Reality Warpers are either beings from outside the Reality they're residing in (and thus have brought their own laws along with them), or they are beings who have surpassed the Reality they exist in, thus exerting greater control over their Reality than their Reality exerts over them.
>>48298198
The only issues I have with it are the unsupported cylinder, the hammer not aligning with the cylinder and the overall size.
20" is a big goddamn knife and 16" is a huge pistol.
>>48298468
Oh, and it being useless for stabbing.
What are some jumps that allow you to import your weapons and give them alt-forms? Quote related.
From Muppet Treasure Island:
>A wickedly sharp and brilliantly crafted cutlass or smallsword. Seems to move quickly and deftly in your hand giving you the impression you could cut a man’s clothes off his body. A melee weapon you already own may be imported into this option giving it the form of either a cutlass or a smallsword whilst retaining any of its previous [sic]
>>48298357
Nope. Magic isn't reality warping, no matter how hard you try to wank it, it will remain as it is; magic.
Magic compared to mundane means may seem like reality warping, but even the most powerful magic is internally consistent and defined as a system with mechanics.
There are no mechanics behind reality warping; reality warping is the mechanics, decides the mechanics, and destroys the mechanics.
Perks are not reality warping. Stop wanking yourself, you'll grow hair on your palms, and cause your brain to rot.
>>48298511
>internally consistent and defined as a system with mechanics.
Uh...no? There are some systems that are actual wild magic, that don't run off of A=A B=B.
Dead Space
40 years old
Engineering 100
Titan Station
Scrap Hound
Built-In Geo-Nav 300
Expert Pilot 500
Infinitely Customizable 600
People Person 800
Modular Designs 1000
Cult of Personality 1600
Too Ugly to Live 1000
Took mostly engineer stuff.
My free perk lets me find more scraps.
Bought a lot of the 200 CP perks as well, one helps me find minerals and treasure, one makes me a better pilot and the last undiscounted one makes me appear more charismatic and sympathetic.
Infinitely Customizable and Modular Designs are obviously written with one another in mind but I'm not entirely sure what they do. I mean it'd make sense if Nonetheless they seem to help with fitting together shit that shouldn't fit together so it can't hurt.
Also bought a 600 CP undiscounted perk that makes me really good at talking people into things.
Stasis tech seems to be a good thing to try to pick up while here. Other than that I don't have much of a plan beyond completing my objective which is to kill all the zombie squid moons. Took this objective more as an attempt to do some good in the omniverse and as I may have ended up on their wrong side anyway. Also I can potentially reduce the amount of time I have to spend here by blowing up zombie celestial bodies. Probably going to have to take over the Earth for its own good.
>>48298511
>but even the most powerful magic is internally consistent and defined as a system with mechanics.
Not always.
>reality warping is the mechanics, decides the mechanics, and destroys the mechanics.
Like some examples of magic, then.
I don't think you realize just how broad "magic" is, friend.
The term encompasses an arbitrarily vast amount of systems that allow to if not "warp", then at least alter reality.
>>48298511
So, uh, did you not read what I wrote? I agree, it's not reality warping, it's just imposing a different set of laws. I even used FF6 as an example, that while it's unnatural to the universe as is, it has it's own set of rules that it has to follow. For example, I can heal someone of their wounds, but I can't make them regrow an arm. I can fire magical fuck you beams, but I can't just snap my fingers and unmake a town, I have to actually fire my magical fuck you beams.
>>48298420
Okay, then.
Can the handle of a weapon customized by this perk remain extended indefinitely?
>-Pole Dancer (100SP) (Melee Only): Well this is... something else. The handle of your weapon can now extend out. Not the dangerous part, the handle of the weapon. It can offer extended reach, sure... among other things. Cross chasms with less difficulty! Whack someone with a sudden extension! And best of all, it means you have a pole at any time for... exercise purposes. Yes, let's just go with that excuse.
>>48298550
>>48298563
Name one. I'll explain to you how those thing's aren't reality warping.
>>48298553
Hey, with Elemental Monarch, can you do the giant elemental boxing match thing?
>>48298580
I'd... be careful with that and be wary of the weight issues if you're using it to prop something up, but... sure?
What exactly are you planning.
>>48298581
Not those anons, but I'm genuinely curious how you can explain Chaos Magic, 40K style, given that even in-universe that shit's unnatural.
Fucking C'Tan/Necrons, why'd you have to break the Realm of Souls and screw the rest of us over?
>>48298583
Yeah but you'd need to make a suit of the element like Ice King unless you had Monstrous Form.
>>48298581
I didn't say it was reality warping. I said the premise that magic is always a science is wrong.
But hey, WoD is probably the best example for the argument of Magic being Reality Warping and a potentially internally inconsistent system.
>>48298581
They're shitposting, there legitimately aren't any magic systems that can do literally anything, including altering themselves and their own rules without even a mechanism like mana or spellslots.
Is there any way to make the power of love from 8 bit theater run off another emotion? Like hate?
Is anyone making a smallville jump?
>>48298668
Real Eater.
>>48298468
>>48298480
Variable Weapon tech is fairly crazy. Here's a chaingun that collapses into a purse.
>>48297821
Not exactly.
Noether's theorem isn't about "finiteness". Basaically, _for lagrangian systems_ the theorem associates a conserved quantity for every continuous symmetry.
So, first, an alternate world without time shift symmetry? Conservation of energy need not apply. (Energy, well, hamiltonian, being the conserved quantity associated with time shift)
Alternately, maybe energy is conserved, but in a way that doesn't look like conservation of energy. (Consider energy vs True Energy in Greg Egan's Orthogonal series. There is conservation of energy of sorts, but... you have to be careful how you're defining the energy of a system to get the conservation.
>>48298672
Never heard of it ever being suggested.
If you're doing it can we have a perk where people think you're school age even when you're obviously not?
I think Clark was meant to be 14 or something at the start. Always thought that was really funny.
>>48298672
Um, you know, I think I remember someone talking about that, but I can't remember? I do know it was a while ago, and I don't remember hearing anything since, so I think you're good?
>>48298658
Wait, being a Monarch doesn't make you an email in the context of the jump? Huh.
Could you at least do either a Dormammu -style flaming head or pull a Chandra and turn your hair into fire?
>>48298661
It still has internally consistent mechanics and limitations, even if they are flexible, that can't be wholly rewritten or ignored by the system itself. It isn't reality warping.
>>48298681
I just want to say that I hate Real Eater being the goto response for questions like this. I feel like it devalues and discourages creativity, while simultaneously crippling the Medaka Box jump by highly incentivizing people to take a specific origin and perk.
>>48298672
Inb4 arguments about a Kryptonian option.
>>48298612
Nothing too big. Just accomplishing what I thought "Transform" might be able to. Being able to lengthen a handle slightly increases the utility of "Resizing" from GoW, especially when combined with "Weapon Reshaping".
>>48298727
Whine & cry badwrongfun some more.
>>48298721
The way you're defining it, it seems like Reality Warping is synonymous with Omnipotence, since if there was anything they couldn't do they could just change the rule that says they can't do it.
>>48298721
Aren't the underlying metaphysical rules of WoD based on humanity's collective will?
>>48298727
>>48298681
I dont think real eater lets you change power sources.
>>48298727
Wow, another person whining about a popular and useful perk, how exciting.
>>48298743
Ah. Well, carry on then.
>>48298727
I actually feel like one of the few people who never took Real Eater.
(Medaka Box)
-Mentality: Abnormal (Free) -Time to go about!
-Auto-Pilot (900CP) (Discount) -With MGR's thing, this will help.
-Remodelling (600CP) (Discount) -GONNA MAKE YOU BETTER.
-Black Ogre (500CP) -A jumpsuit that can resist stuff? I'm for it!
-Flask Plan Experiment Data (0CP) -What am I to do with you.
Dice Rolls: 13 years old
-End Choice: Next Adventure
Just more or less grabbed a combat thing, potential-enhancing, then the Flask thing to give people Abnormalities. Because why the fuck not.
>>48298757
Exactly. If it has to follow rule it itself can't change, it's not reality warping, it's just a really flexible part of reality.
>>48298717
I don't really know what that means so I'm going to answer the question I think you're asking.
You're not necessarily an elemental but you can be (in the way that Ice King is not made of ice but Flame Princess is made of fire). In order to grow much larger as an elemental you need to take Monstrous Form although you can simulate it either way by producing quantities of your element that are not a part of you.
>>48298785
You are an idiot, it warps reality not breaks it.
Hey /jc/, I just took another look at the Dead Space jump because of >>48298553, and after googling theBrethren Moonsto remind myself what they look like, I have to say; I really want to be a giant zombie space kraken like they are. Any ideas on how I would do this?
>>48298789
Okay, I gotcha. Thanks.
>>48298801
If it can't warp its own reality, it isn't reality warping.
>>48298789
Say Cats, what would a Lich with Monstrous Form look like? Would it look similar to the Lich? Speaking of, how powerful would it be?
>>48298785
That makes it sound to me like you have your own definition of what reality warping is, and have just been shitposting for a while now because you want everyone else to have the same definition as you even though you're in the minority.
>>48298762
It doesn't, no.
>>48298855
No one except you is stupid enough to call magic reality warping though.
>>48298789
How would people react to an Elemental Monarch/Vampire Monarch that's also a Lich with My Hero?
>>48298879
Are you accusing me of samefagging every anti-reality warping opinion in the thread?
Reading the posts so far, it sounds like it's the opposite. Lots of people are calling magic reality warping, the people who say they're different are in the minority.
>>48298879
Okay, what's the best example of a non-omnipotent Reality Warper in your opinion?
>>48298890
They don't. That comes out to 2100 CP, if my math is right.
Rolled 225, 582 = 807 (2d595)
>>48298879
A few people were that stupid earlier in the thread.
>>48298913
Only one flavor of Monarch.
>>48298913
So they'd probably react with an enormous amount of surprise?
>>48298907
True Fae. There doesn't exist a magic system from any setting that can make you into one.
>>48298825
... Is it just me, or is this whole argument just a magic system/reality warping flavored variation of compatibilist free will vs libertarian free will. It's starting to smell very much like that.
>>48298949
>There doesn't exist a magic system from any setting that can make you into one.
...What is "Changeling" for 1000cp, Alex?
>>48298949
... Aren't True Fae magical?
>>48298837
Be bigger than the Lich probably. He's big but he's not that big. I mean if you take the Lich perk you're basically given the option of looking like the Lich anyway. In terms of power it's sort of difficult to say as we don't really see the Lich's upper limits (you're not necessarily on his level as we don't quite know what that level is).
I'd say you'd at least be capable of the shown feats the Lich produces. Probably more combat oriented and physical with Monstrous Form than he tends to be. Lich uses magic rather than fighting most of the time.
>>48298890
They'd like you well enough. People don't really care about Marceline and she's the daughter of an eldritch soul sucking demon. Besides, you're not THE Lich and you haven't necessarily been trying to kill them in your history.
>>48298967
I don't think it's like that at all. It strikes me more as a semantics argument where one person continues to argue that a word has a particular definition, and can only respond by flinging insults when everyone else tells them he's wrong.
>>48298949
Well if you feel like going absolutely insane and being unable to tell your own imagination from reality, you could go to Changeling, rack up to Wyld 10, and watch that Clarity drop like a stone.
>>48298979
>>48298994
>What is a load of fucking horseshit and lies?
I'm not dealing with this garbage anymore. You people want to make yourselves omnipotent gods and decided you were a reality warper, because you jumped into one setting and took a magic perk, go ahead, I can't deal with how fucking stupid you are.
>>48299032
What? I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.
I thought we were discussing the semantics of whether magic counts as reality warping?
Who let Timmy get off his meds again.
>>48299032
Don't feel too bad, it was only one guy samefagging all thread.
