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Kemonomimi edition: What is your favorite kemonomimi type?
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First for no drama below this line
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How's the game going? Any fun times, story times, other times? Looking forward to anything?
>>48282901
Like thats even a question.
Reposting from last thread:
How can I make my Fool's Errand locks more reliable?
The save DC is 17 right now at level 3. I want to boost it.
What can I do?
Are there any ways for me to lower the enemy's reflex save as a Stalker?
>>48282901
I don't know what that means
Gonzo 2 pdf when?
>>48282860
That would appear to be the case.
>>48282957
This is a book that came out today
Do you want to play a Path of War initiator (full or partial)?
Do you prefer text-only games?
Are you highly tolerant of weeaboo token art?
Do you believe that dedicated roleplaying and heavy optimization are NOT mutually exclusive?
Are you interested in a game set in the bazaar of the bizarre, Katapesh?
If so, then this might be the game for you:
http://pastebin.com/dyRApYW3
There is a catch. This will be a small group with only two players and one GM. One player slot has already been reserved. They are a dedicated roleplayer, but also very meticulous with the rules. You will have to be patient with them. There is only one player slot left.
For more details, send a Skype contact request to: explosive_runes
>>48282987
Translation: Buckle up for hours of rule arguments, fuckers, you're playing with Touhoufag.
You're all fuckfaces and deserve a high five in the face with multiple chairs.
>>48282653
Continuing.
/tg/ will not allow me to post the full page of the araiguma, so you receive only the statistics.
Araiguma have +2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence, a bonus to Disable Device and Sleight of Hand, and a wilderness survival benefit.
I can hardly see anyone playing this race.
>>48282654
Akaimimi at least have the luxury of a +2 bonus to all Knowledge checks and Augury 1/day, which is a better deal than what araiguma receive.
>>48282999
At least there's a large assortment of middle-eastern animu girls involved in the posts.
>>48282987
If you're doing such a small party you should probably ask your friends. It's unlikely you're going to find a random that's comfortable with that.
>>48283019
I love you too anon.
>>48283023
Yeah, I was huh-ing because +2 to all knowledge checks seems incongruous with the other two we've seen.
Small sample size, but it's still pretty noteworthy.
>>48282901
Red panda is best type
>>48283023
Inumimi are a rare +2 Strength, +2 Wisdom race, but I doubt anyone cares about Handle Animal, Survival, or saving throws against curses.
They even lack scent. Awful.
>>48283023
>Coon Affinity
I... wow. Didn't think that one through at all, did they?
>>48283051
STRanger race.
>>48283051
Kitsunemimi (/pfg/'s favorite) have +2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, a +2 bonus on Perception and Sense Motive checks (good), and bonuses when taking 10 and 20. These are more on par with the akaimimi than the weaker araiguma and inumimi.
These kitsunemimi would make for excellent Dexterity/Intelligence skill monkeys, like an investigator or a Path of War: Expanded stalker (vigilante).
>>48282958
Last thread or the one beforw that. Was posted in a link along with gonzo 1
>>48283095
Nekomimi have +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, a bonus on Climb and Perception checks, and the ability to reroll a single dice roll per day. The last ability never states that it has to be theirs, so presumably, they could potentially convert an enemy's critical hit into a miss. This makes the race a decent alternative to the catfolk.
This is also the final page in the PDF I had received before everything whites out. The usagimimi can be found here >>48282185. I will be seeking my refund.
>>48282941
Game officially starts this Saturday. I'm pretty excited.
>>48283095
>>48283115
>all the races are humanoids instead of Fey
>kitsune are Dex and Int
>none of them have any shapeshifting, and the racial traits are all boring as fuck
>the fucking dogs don't even have scent
How can one book fuck up this badly?
>>48283142
They aren't kitsune. The fluff even says a kitsunemimi can be born to a kitsune and human pairing.
>>48282955
Brutal Slayer Stalker pumping str gets a ridiculous lock DC, I had DC25 at level 8 normally and DC29 with brutal strikes up with a very quick test build the other day.
>>48283023
>Racial Ability: Incredibly Specific Animal Affinity
okay stop
>>48283168
I'm a DEX build Bushi. Pumping is a bit more difficult for me, I think.
>>48283169
I'm having so many conflicting feelings about this book
>>48282901
What's so offensive about furry races anyway? Yeah, some people jerk off to porn of it but isn't that true of elves and orcs? Sex isn't a topic of polite discussion during games anyway.
>>48283142
Just refluff a skinwalker for christ's sake.
>>48283115
My PDF works just fine. Try redownloading it.
>>48283273
Aren't skinwalkers basically already like that anyway
What do we say to the god of Akashit Mysteries' release?
>>48283370
I am fucking stoked for its release. I hope the monster art will be worth the wait.
>>48283051
Actually a Unumimi Ranger or Hunter would be pretty stoked if you actually run animal companion rules as they are written.
Handle Animal checks fricken suck dick, so a +4 in addition to the +4 from class is golden.
If I were to attack the Swallowtail Festival at Sandpoint, should I use a Heavy Chariot or an Armored Wagon?
>>48283115
try downloading the PDF again, mine has all the pages n pictures.
>>48283370
That they need to get it fucking out here already. I'm tired of using playtest documents instead of a proper PDF.
>>48282901
My players are adventuring on the positive energy plane starting from level one (as natives they have PE affinity). How do I portray the plane as a fun and diverse place to adventure? An infinite featureless mass of light is boring and pointless.
>>48283445
What kind of character are you using the docs for?
>>48283241
As I understand it, connotations of bestiality mixed with people being massive creepers about it.I find the former a bit silly, but the latter is correct more often than I'd like.
>>48283455
Maybe take the chance to go full Rainbow Road?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oUf2VCv.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>48283467
Made a Nameer (Akashic Tiger Man) Sineater Guru using Feral Combat Training to bring the pain.
Role Played him as a cannibalistic Luchador who would use a combination of Aerial Nimbus and Coward Boots to catapult himself huge distances to chokeslam fuckers.
best moment was at the end of the campaign when I used Lashing Spinerettes to catapult myself above the jungle canopy to get one last punch on the Fey Queen before she galloped away on her Pegasus. Fucking Crit, took her to negatives, Pegasus had no saddle so she started falling with me.
GM: Well that just happened
Me: I want to Kiniku Buster her on the way down
GM: wat
I survived the falling damage. She didn't. Campaign over.
>>48282999
>you're playing with Touhoufag.
What's wrong with that?
Can someone remind me, how bad is it for a vigilante to be noticed changing?
>>48283662
Depends who saw you.
>>48282941
Game starts Friday. Pumped to get back to lightening bending, not so much for the lawful stupid of one of my party members.
>>48283455
You should think about what kinds of things you want your players to encounter in their adventure and work from there.
>>48283662
Depends on how much you rely on your social identity not being known to be the same as the vigilante identity.
>>48283241
Elves and orcs (and dragons for that matter) have a large media/cultural presence stretching back to and predating the first tabletop rpgs, of which the porn is a relatively small segment. You can't just call them a fetish race because there are dozens of perfectly tame examples for every orc-on-elf gangbang doujin.
Anthropomorphic animals on the other hand have been almost completely dominated by the furry movement, which everyone knows is sexual no matter how much they claim otherwise. You have an endless mountain range of depraved porn for every tame children's movie, and then the furries use those to make even more porno mountains.
>>48283769
So much truth. Furries can't be unfetishized while elves/orcs aren't nearly as fetishized.
>>48283859
Says you.
>>48283699
How's that going for you?
>>48283625
>not using Brocken art
>>48283769
I disagree.
Animal characters are ancient, and 'furry' is hardly a massive portion of that timespan.
I'm going to enchant my weapon with courageous (I'm a inquisitor with rage and heroism), though I need cheap ways to buff my weapon to +4 at least.
Tips?
>>48284115
Pending on Inquisitor level, Bane can help bump it up
>>48284138
>using Bane to help improved Courageous
Will it ever be time for fear?
>>48284138
Lvl 8 right now, we are squeezing money, we have to lay siege to rescue someone inside of a fortress.
>>48284204
Oh dear.
>>48284211
>Dismas and Reynauld are your last living members in that boss-battle
As it should be, and as it shall always be.
>>48284211
>Look on the bright side, Reynauld; we could have had to kill TWO of these things.
>Well spoken, Dismas.
PF Fucking G, by demonstrably acting like oxygen thieves you have voided any right to calling paizoshitters bad, fucking shitstains the lot of you.
>>48284294
I love you too
>>48284106
Yes, the concept is way older than furries or Disney, but its those two that popularized and shaped the average's person's perception of it, just like LOTR did for elves.
Original Germanic elves got swamped under a tide of Legolas. Original animal characters got swamped under a tide of XxYiffsniff69xX.
>>48284294
>>48284211
A truer meme team there never was.
>>48284294
Sounds like someone got their x-card stolen
>>48284339
Except the amount of people still using anthropomorphic animals nonsexually is way higher than people still using germanic elves outside of working for santa.
>>48284115
Make sure to run by with your DM whether you're using the pre- or post-errata version of Courageous, if you haven't already.
>>48284417
>Implying everyone who worked on Zootopia wasn't yiffing themselves nightly.
>>48282955
Discipline Focus (Fool's Errand)
Ability Focus (Lock) - dependent on your GM allowing you to take a monster feat
Cursed Razor has a level 1 stance that reduces the enemy's save by 2.
Weaken the Prey works if you have appropriate maneuvers.
Steel Serpent can deal dex damage, plus it works with Weaken the Prey
Watchman's Rebuke makes them roll again; get your warder or zealot to take it and use it for you
>espagnoll opens up a new game
>31 years old gamer Major in Humanities and Master degree in Comparative Theory of Art, Thought and Literature
>laugh and walk away
>>48284244
>>48284257
>>48284387
I'm proud of my achievement both of then almost saw death during the journey.
Dismas almost got killed by pig god and Reynauld by motherfucking Vvulf
>>48284503
Let's be honest with ourselves, Judy's got some rockin' hips.
>>48284691
Please think before you speak, anon
>>48283051
Inumimi look pretty beefy. I would want to be saved by that guy.
And the girl looks like she can fistfight Greta. Strong race for strong heroes!
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magicItems/magicItemCreation.html
I'm trying to figure out how exactly "uses per day" effects price. Is it just divide what the price would be by 5, then divide it again by the number of charges? Or how does that work?
>>48284718
The hips don't lie, anon.
>>48283692
>>48283766
Ah, thank you both. So less I'm worried about it, the less it matters.
>>48284813
I'd only really be worried if someone who
1. Doesn't like you
2. Is generally considered Honest
saw you since they can make a lot of stuff suck for you if you planned to use Social identity for sleuthing at all.
>>48284776
As far as I've been able to figure out, making a magic item with a spell effect with a specific number of uses per day appears to use this formula:
>[CL of item] x [Spell Level of SLA in item] x 1800 / (5/uses per day)
I derived the equation from the equation for command word activation, which would give unlimited uses per day and applying the modifier given by the table.
Applied to the Boots of Teleportation, this equation comes out to 48600, just 400 short of the actual price of the boots, probably rounded up because Paizo doesn't like following their own rules very much.
Your character angers a blink dog, who warns your character to never speak to him or his blinkling son ever again.
How does your character placate the blink dog?
>>48284875
Head pats.
>>48284875
>Placate
The fuck do I want to do that for?
>>48284875
I mean, do I need to speak to him or his blinkling son ever again?
If not, think this might be one puzzle I'm willing to leave unsolved.
>>48284875
I pat their heads with my great axe.
>>48284494
Post errata is the one that take the morale bonus based on half of the weapon enhancement value right?
Hey Gareth.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/warder/warder-archetypes/dervish-defender-warder-archetype
>Two-Weapon Defense (Ex)
>While not all dervish defenders fight in the same manner, most do and all are extensively trained in these fighting philosophies. While wearing light armor or no armor, wielding a weapon in each hand (or using a double weapon), and not using a shield heavier than a buckler, the warder may add her Intelligence bonus (if any) to her Armor Class. She retains this bonus even against touch attacks or when flat-footed, but loses this bonus should she be rendered helpless by any means.
Does this apply to CMD?
>>48285037
Yes. Unless otherwise stated, a typeless bonus to AC also applies to CMD.
>>48285034
No, that's pre-errata. Post errata is the same, but it only affects morale bonuses to saving throws against fear affects.
>>48284875
Please take your shitty memes back to tumblr, thanks.
>>48285155
I don't think that's related to tumblr?
>>48284835
So definitely not a problem if I'm going full toku
>>48285170
Really?
Please return your shitty memes to the pit whence they were spawned, then.
>>48282981
I'm ready to be a Brown Bunny Ranger.
Anyone wanna be my Roguish Pistoleer?
>>48285099
Really?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Combat-Maneuver-Defense
>A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.
>>48285226
Well I didn't post that, and I don't go to tumblr except for art, but okay.
>>48285136
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/courageous
where is the errata, the source page say nothing about it.
So in case my DM reject the pre errata version of Courageous, I got a Dwarven Longaxe +1 to be enchanted.
Any suggestions?
>>48285318
Furious? It's nothing while not raging, but counts as a +2 while raging.
>>48285244
Oh, huh, guess not.
I suppose Gareth can add it to the pile o' errata when he gets a chance.
>>48285238
That brown bunny is a real hunk. I wonder how much usagimimi breed with such good looking members of their race. Will they overtake humans soon?
>>48285381
Unless it's intentional
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/8JJ5SLt.png "latest[1].png")
>>48285399
Was thinking more like Fran.....
But Holly Lop ears are best ears for sure.
>>48285272
Can't believe I could actually be motivated to redownload the errata document and find it for you, but it's on the second page of the errata document for Ultimate Equipment. Look at the last entry in pick related.
>>48284905
Head Pat (Cha)
Check: By extending your arm in a non-threatening manner and flapping your arm and hand in the universal sign of encouragement, consolation and praise you can change the attitude of a creature from hostile, unfriendly and indifferent states to friendly.
Action: Takes 1 minute of solid and continuous head patting.
Special: If you have the Persuasive feat, you may head pat two heads at once.
Special: If you have any way to have multiple arms (from customizations, evolutions, the Multi-Armed trait, etc), you may head pat as many heads as you have arms free.
>>48285416
Lop eared fran would basically be the best thing ever.
>>48285348
Don't have any rage powers that I could benefit from, DM was kind enough to let me get Anger Inquisition having Cayden Cailean as my god.
Said its more of a "Administrative" thing so he could say
>>48285442
Nothing to do with Rage powers. It's literally
>When the wielder is raging or under the effect of a rage spell, the weapon's enhancement bonus is +2 better than normal.
>>48285420
Thank man, gonna take it to my DM then.
Meanwhile since you are feeling generous, help me pimp my weapon?
>>48285238
>>48285399
>>48285416
Literally just male rabbit Korra.
>>48285454
Wouldn't be better to just upgrade the weapon then?
>>48285458
Like her outfit is even original. It's based on old martial arts film outfits.
Also Korra is sexy in all forms.
>>48285399
all hail the glorious bunny master race
>>48285466
>same cost as a +1 enchantment
>gives the bonus of a +2 enchantment
>>48285476
Well I have access to Greater Magic Weapon spell and enhancements don't stack so that's why the question
>>48285458
Thats everything I could ever want.
>>48285416
Its great because their racial abilities lend themselves so well to being so many classes. If I wanna be Fran there are so many options.
>>48285455
I don't really have any worthwhile suggestions. If you were playing an actual Barbarian, I'd suggest Vicious- they'll run out of HP way before you, even if your DR does nothing against the recoil- but you're not. You're playing an Inquisitor who wishes he were a Barbarian, and I know jack shit about playing Inquisitors- other than that one of my players tells me their spell list is awful.
Second attempt at Kemonomimi, now with actual fixed PDF.
>>48282901
>puts a link to the new trove in the OP
>doesn't fix the link in the pastebin
???
>>48285512
Dude. I could play an Usagimimi out of a shifter (spheres of power) and become a massive doom bunny on command. That is the obvious way to win.
>>48285530
>>48285530
That man looks rather determined to enjoy his chicken leg.
>>48285526
Its your typical T2 class, its not awful but don't even compare to a Cleric, Wizard or Witch but its plain cheese at this point.
Well guess I will go through all the +1--+3 enchants and see if I find something worthwhile
>>48285530
Holy shit yes. I wanna know if the red pandas are cute.
>>48285543
>>48285548
Inquisitor's not T2, it's a solid T3 at best.
Artist here. Really glad you guys like my hunky rabbit guy. I can't wait for people to come up with their own types.
>>48285553
Akaimimi have +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, +2 to all Knowledge, and Augury as a spell-like ability.
Good for any Wisdom-based class with Knowledge (all) as a class skill. I do not believe any such classes exist in Paizo-only Pathfinder, and in Dreamscarred Press finder, that would be limited to the mystic. Even then, a mystic would prefer a Dexterity/Wisdom race.
>>48285585
Are you Sasha Turk, or Gary Dupuis?
Sasha Turk
>>48285588
Extra Constitution is never a bad prospect, so the Mystic is fine with that. Also a Myrmidon Lore Warden would fall under that umbrella too.
>>48285596
Neither and both, he is Omnitron.
>>48285588
Araiguma have +2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence, +2 Disable Device and Sleight of Hand, and a narrow wilderness-related ability.
This race might be useful on a sneaky investigator, but even then, such an investigator would prefer an actual Dexterity/Intelligence race.
Overall, these araiguma are probably worse than the akaimimi.
>>48285604
For future advice, clicking on the string of numbers at the top of someone's post allows you to quote them.
Your art looks good by the way, if you're telling the truth!
>>48285604
pls draw more hunky rabbits
>>48285606
>Extra Constitution is never a bad prospect
But also not the BEST prospect.
You want a Str/Wis race or a Dex/Wis race for any Wisdom initiator who isn't an ordained defender.
>>48285616
But look at their cheerful faces! They must be well loved by the village. After all, they can find the water.
With that stat layout, they could make good Vizier or Psions as well.
>>48285618
Oh thanks for the advise. Yes, I'm Sasha Turk. I just couldn't figure out how to reply on my ipad.
>>48285616
Inumimi are a Strength/Wisdom race, which is rare.
+2 Handle Animal, +2 Survival, and +2 to saving throws against curses (also applies to allies) is all very narrow. I could only ever see this being useful on a Strength/Wisdom ranger who would like as high a possible a Handle Animal for their companion even while dumping Charisma to 7.
>>48285635
Viziers lack Disable Device and Sleight of Hand as class skills. Psions have Disable Device only as kineticists, and still lack Sleight of Hand. Neither is particularly good at making use of these skills.
>>48285585
We've seen a lot of art in Pathfinder publications.
Some great, some absolute shit piles, and some that could only make us scratch our head and say why?
Your bunny art is pretty good. I can look in this book and not be distracted by how bad the art is, as I was with something like Spheres of power. Keep doing art, we need more people like you keeping our 3PP from printing bad art.
Wish fox people had art though, why didn't you make fox people?
>girlfriend and friend's girlfriend express interest in playing pathfinder with us
>ok sure why not
>we help them make characters, teach them basics about playing
>get into actually playing
>friend's girlfriend is quiet the entire session, says "I can't take any of you seriously when you talk in different voices, or do x or y"
THEN WHY DID YOU WANT TO PLAY
Do familiars get feats?
>>48285621
Thanks! I totally should. If anyone wants to know, all my designs were based off "dance" themes.
His outfit is a fusion of hip-hop mixed with with a form-fitting casual Japanese style. His pants are also a fusion - baggy like jazz pants.
>>48285671
It's some pretty chill art, good job.
>>48285664
Sounds like you should convert to text games.
>>48285662
Inumimi brutal stalker. Inumimi Myrmidon. Inumimi Primal Disciple (animal companion!). These guys are strong!
>>48285663
Actually, I'm not sure either. I wasn't requested for it. Maybe I should send your request directly, so we can actually get fox people art.
>>48285664
Tell her it's like theater class, it's part of acting
>>48285671
I love that outfit fusion. Where can I find you for commission?
>>48285682
Thank you so much! I look forward to doing more designs.
>>48285662
Kitsunemimi are a +2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence race, which makes them in excel as all sorts of classes: alchemists, magi, wizards, stalkers (vigilante), viziers, psions, and more.
+2 Perception and +2 Sense Motive are useful for any character, and +1/+2 when taking 10/20 is a great boon when using skills. These kitsunemimi are rock-solid skill monkeys.
>>48285699
I'm on deviantart. I'm in the process of making my own website soon. Learning coding on the side.
http://pacificsnow.deviantart.com/
>>48285663
Just saying, my charisma 7 Hunter failed some Handle Animal checks and it blowed when he did.
Fuck Mummies.
>>48285687
Amongst Paizo-only options, oni-spawn and qlippoth-spawn tieflings are much better than inumimi ever will be at Strength/Wisdom builds.
With Dreamscarred Press races... well, the Strength/Wisdom dreige is one of the most powerful races ever.
I'm considering playing an Occultist as a skillmonkey character, with some summoning on the side to remain useful in combat. Starting schools are divination and necromancy, picking up either abjuration or conjuration at 2nd level and the other one at 6th (abjuration would let me dispel magical traps, while conjuration would give me a move-action teleport and a neverending summon).
Basically everywhere I look, people are telling me that conjuration is a terrible school for an Occultist, but aside from the resonant power not functioning at all, I'm not seeing it. Care to redpill me on that?
>>48285706
Shit dude. I wanna run one now. Vizier specializing in using the Loyal Spear of the Paladin with Polearm Dancer and Deadly Agility. AoOs for days, reach for days. Master of skills to boot.
>>48285723
Incidentally, if you type in a name - format's "name#password" - into the name field of the post box you can get a name up. I'd suggest only using it if you need to be identified as yourself, like when you're talking about your art.Jade Ripley, Dreamscarred Press, nice t'meet'cha.
![khezu_in_a_cave_by_pacificsnow-d8rrwct[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jAOkKrb.jpg "khezu_in_a_cave_by_pacificsnow-d8rrwct[1].jpg")
>>48285723
Your Monsters don't look half bad. Maybe you can do some creepy bestiary?
>>48285726
Strength/Wisdom animal companion-users are just about the only way these racial statistics for the inumimi can possibly be vindicated, yes. Even then, for the additional +4 Handle Animal, a canine animal companion is required.
>>48285733
If you take the Summoner VMC, the Conjuration resonant power is actually a godsend.
Otherwise, Conjuration is a weaker school when compared to Transmutation.
http://www.thedicedecide.com/mack-blog/of-wands-cups-and-blades-a-guide-to-the-pathfinder-occultist/
In addition if other people want to know:
Inumimi - Lyrical and Theater. Like a play.
Usagimimi - HipHop and Jazz.
Araiguma - Modern, with a little bit of Theater and Jazz. Japanese Theater.
Akaimimi - Ballet, (if you look closely the female has pointe shoes). Traditional Chinese outfit.
>>48285670
No, except for whatever feats that species naturally has to begin with, as listed in their stat blocks. When you gain a familiar, you can swap those feats out on a one-to-one basis with other feats, although without GM permission you're limited to the shitty "familiar feats".
>>48282941
I'm currently brainstorming how to connect a plot to my Nirmathas and Molthune campaign. Tomorrow I'll have my players run through Fangwood Keep, then hold the castle for awhile until Molthune sends reinforcements. They'll then be attacked by a small army of gun wielding Nirmathas soldiers, most likely wondering where the fuck they got the guns.They got them from a cult of Cixyron which is being manipulated by a Vilderavn to be able to create the most advanced war in Golarion's history.
>>48285753
Hey Gareth, care to answer >>48285037?
>>48285697
that's actually a good idea, thanks
>>48285761
Wolves are just about the best melee animal companions
>>48285754
I actually prefer doing monsters. Problem be it, no one asks me for it.
>>48285761
Aren't wolves pretty solid animal buddies, though? At least, as long as a thing can be tripped?
>>48285775
Not really. It's 2 AM, I hate the CMB/D system to begin with, and I don't know the status of the errata. I believe the RAW uncovered upthread is currently correct in terms of reading what's written.
>>48285786
For hunter's they're great too since their strength is forcing the wolf to make a million AoOs with his titanic 1.5str and 3/-1 power attack bites.
>>48285763
>In addition if other people want to know:
>Inumimi - Lyrical and Theater. Like a play.
>Usagimimi - HipHop and Jazz.
>Araiguma - Modern, with a little bit of Theater and Jazz. Japanese Theater.
>Akaimimi - Ballet, (if you look closely the female has pointe shoes). Traditional Chinese outfit.
I forgot to put myself.
>>48285706
Nekomimi have +2 Dexterity and +2 Charisma, which means bards, sorcerers, vigilantes, warlords, and more.
Nobody cares about +2 Climb that much, but +2 Perception is always appreciated (kitsunemimi have this as well, however).
The real draw of the nekomimi is the ability to reroll a single dice roll once per day. This is not limited to the nekomimi. This does not take an action. There is no range limited. If any dice roll at all happens, whether it is an enemy's critical hit or the GM's d100 dice roll table, the nekomimi can force a reroll, and that can be useful in a clutch.
>>48285779
>>48285786
>>48285797
I am more of the fan of the pouncers (for raw offense) and the fliers (for not being forced to sit out a battle against flying opponents).
>>48285555
It's a 6th caster with versatility and added bullshit (Pokemon Tactician). By any metric outside of the obvious and useless "how far are you from prepared full casting", it's T2.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?494623-Spheres-of-Power-War-Handbook-Open-Beta
Duty calls, gentlemen.
>>48285824
>The real draw of the nekomimi is the ability to reroll a single dice roll once per day. This is not limited to the nekomimi. This does not take an action. There is no range limited. If any dice roll at all happens, whether it is an enemy's critical hit or the GM's d100 dice roll table, the nekomimi can force a reroll, and that can be useful in a clutch.
Yeah, no one wants to have everything ended by that one horrible time you take a scythe crit to the face.
>>48285830
Monster Tactician makes for a very high tier 3 inquisitor, but I contest that it would push the character into tier 2.
The character still is not heavily distorting the narrative with Commune, Planar Binding, Plane Shift, Raise Dead, Teleport, and so on by 9th or 10th-level.
>>48285808
Kind of figured from the context, but thanks for the clarification anyway.
>>48285540
Shit yes.
>>48285824
The wolf is one of the best trip/flank/lock companions, which is the third axis of choosing an animal buddy.
>>48285866
I haven't posted on here in a long time, so I forgot how to do stuff.
>>48285671
I noticed that! Bredy cool.
>>48285898
That's pretty epic you noticed that. What gave it away?
>>48285908
Mostly being deluged by overwatch fanart of the frog guy and going HEY THIS LOOKS KINDA FAMILIAR.
It ain't cleverness on my part, but it's the truth.
>>48285425
More
>>48285824
Tanukimimi seem to be made to be "tank"-oriented paladins, oracles, oradins, warlords, or zealots, which is strange and unexpected. They have +2 Constitution, +2 Charisma, and a temporary hit point ability, after all.
I can hardly see their +2 Stealth and +2 Survival coming into play often for such characters. I also do not think they will gain much temporary hit points from their signature ability; a 6th-level tanukimimi with Constitution modifier +3 will gain 9 temporary hit points, which is not that much for the level.
I do not believe this is a noteworthy race mechanically.
>>48285880
That is definitely true. It works out best for the hunter, who can easily gain Outflank.
Wolves do become steadily obsoleted as the levels rise due to CMD issues, and god forbid a wolf companion try to trip a multi-legged enemy.
>>48285859
By that reasoning, 2hufag, anyone who can buy a Candle of Invocation is T1 in practical op.
There's enough goofy bullshit you can summon with new feats and their freebie Expand Summon Monster that an Inquisitor with Summoner-level summon monster as an SLA can probably do similar tricks at that level anyway.
>>48285793
Hey Gareth, some time back there was a campaign to gather money because one of you DSP guys was having some troubles, sick wife or some shit, what happened with that?
The guy alright now? Is he back to writing?
>>48285933
I really wished this one got art.
>>48285966
I have a feeling if it did you'd have to spend the rest of your waking life fielding questions about why you didn't give them massive balls.
>>48285935
>anyone who can buy a Candle of Invocation is T1 in practical op
This is true. I also do not see what it has to do with monster tacticians allegedly being tier 2.
>an Inquisitor with Summoner-level summon monster as an SLA can probably do similar tricks at that level anyway
A 10th-level oracle can Plane Shift the party and enemies using the non-mystery spell known they attain at that level. They can instead take Commune, giving them a literal god's breadth of knowledge.
A 10th-level sorcerer can Teleport the party around. Alternatively, they might take Lesser Planar Binding to call down a variety of creatures, including a mnemor devil that can Greater Teleport the party at-will.
What can a 10th-level inquisitor (monster tactician) do on the level of these?
>>48285933
Actually Wolves get pretty nasty CMB. Especially when Dirty Fighting>Improved Trip>Fury's fall. 2+dex (my Wolf's was about 26-28 or something, so +8ish) means it trips like a god.
>>48285979
Wow. This. Mind-hacked.
>tfw i really like magus
>already playing one in a campaign and want to play another in another campaign
>feel bad because it's almost the same character mechanically and the only thing different is race and backstory
Anyone else know this feel?
>>48286035
It's fine, just do it.
>>48285949
Chris is writing again, yes. His family's getting out the other side of the rough shit, and we've been (slowly...) working on the GoFundMe commissions. Some have been easier than others.
>>48286035
All the time.
Consider a different archetype. Hexcrafter, Bladebound, and Kensai are all neat.
>>48286048
For you, maybe.
>>48285621
Out of curiosity, what other hunky rabbits would you like to see? Spotted? Lop-ear only? Tan? If anyone wants to know the guy I drew is kind of a rare type. They mostly look like the female.
>>48286035
I think so. A lot of people have a playstyle that they particularly like, but so long as they're not doing an obvious copy-paste of the character itself, I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of.
>>48286063
Super tall n lanky jackrabbit
>>48286063
A shirtless swamp rabbit.
>>48286063
I wanna see an angora rabbit.
>>48286075
That's a great idea.
>>48286063
how about an inuit-inspired arctic hare?
>>48286054
My revenge will be extended and terrible, and when all is said and done there will be no joy in victory, only sorrow in what it took to stop me.
>>48286035
>Tfw played four initiators with 3 levels in aegis, astral skin form, and student of the astral suit
>Also a fifth one made for a game that never happened
They were all different initiator classes and I've made steps to move away from it now, but goddamn it's so good.
>>48286035
I have a super hard time not playing binder/radiance house occultist in a game where it's an option.
>>48285991
A 5th-level hunter or ranger has a 5 HD wolf.
The wolf companion has a base Strength 13 and Dexterity 15. A 5th-level master raises that to Strength 14 and Dexterity 16, and an ability score increase brings Strength up to 15.
3 BAB + 2 Strength modifier + 4 Dirty Fighting with a flank + 2 Improved Trip + 3 Fury's Fall = +14 assuming a flank
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3
The average CMD for CR 5 monster is 21.8.
For the same investment, the companion could have been a Deadly Agility deinonychus or velociraptor pouncer.
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A 9th-level hunter or ranger has an 8 HD wolf.
The wolf companion has a base Strength 13 and Dexterity 15. A 9th-level master raises that to Strength 16 and Dexterity 18. With two ability score increases, that becomes Strength 18 and Dexterity 18. The wolf has become Large-sized, adjusting that further to Strength 26 and Dexterity 16.
6 BAB + 8 Strength modifier + 1 Large + 4 Dirty Fighting with a flank + 2 Improved Trip + 3 Fury's Fall = +24 assuming a flank
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3
The average CMD for CR 9 monster is 31.2.
For the same investment, you could have gotten yourself a roc flier and grappler that can actually respond to flying opponents.
>>48286165
This also assumes that the Ranger took Boon Companion
>>48286165
>not putting a belt of +2str/+2dex on your wolf
>>48286048
>>48286054
>>48286112
Are you in charge of the harbinger side of the Plane Crasher class template?
>>48286177
Correct.
>>48286182
That costs 10,000 gp.
>>48286165
Did you forget the +4str and +4 dex from Animal focus at level 9?
Adds an extra +4 to said trips for +28. Trips on a 3 or 4 against the average monster. Against humanoids its likely only failing on a nat 1.
Oh yeah, Greater Magic fang for another +2 on trips, so +30 total.
>>48285989
I know this is pointless but I can't sleep so fuck it.
When your level of differentiating T1 from T2 is their ability to cast like a prepared full caster, anyone who can grab a Candle of Invocation gets the ability to do likewise without really trying.
So you have to go to the next level down: the ability to have a tool for most every situation that acts as the hammer which turns your surroundings to nails. A Monster Tactician has that with their ability to standard action summon creatures which have useful SLAs. They also have the Summon Tactics ability, which, once it comes online, eats the lunch of an entire T3 class (the Hunter). A Summoner (and by extension the Monster Tactician), can use the mid-high level SMX spells they get to find creatures that can cast the spells you use to justify the Oracle and Sorcerer's tier. Lesser Planar Binding is the exception, but the summoning feature is a solid consolation prize (and more useful without downtime).
For fuck's sake man, the Monster Tactician and the Summoner are both T2 on the /pfg/ Tier List.
>>48286090
You guys have been totally cool. I really apprechiate the feedback. Here you go.
>>48286221
It's always nice to a) see good art in 3pp books and b) meet new and chill artists.
>>48286221
Pleased!
>>48286191
No.
>>48286191
What would the abilities of such a class template even be? Big Guy granting powerful build? What about For You, No Survivors, and The Fire Rises?
>>48286221
Yes!
>>48286221
Thanks! When I looked it up, I thought it was hilarious. So I had to do it.
>>48286207
>Did you forget the +4str and +4 dex from Animal focus at level 9?
The ranger does not have that luxury, but the hunter definitely does.
The wolf is now extremely likely to trip enemies at this level. But at what opportunity cost? Can the wolf respond to fliers at all? As mentioned in >>48286165, the competition at 9th-level is a roc companion who can, in fact, fly and harass enemies with grapples.
>>48286232
I really appreciate this. I'm new to 3pp books, but I'm glad I was able to get the opportunity. I really hope I get to do more cool stuff, so we all can have some great conversations.
I should do more of these.
>>48286035
I have a near fetish for playing Clerics (that aren't healsluts), so I know that feel. Use different archetypes or a slightly different build to spice things up.
Puppeteer is a funky ass Magus archetype you can combine with Hexcrafter (I think) and make something totally unique while still keeping the basic bones of the Magus.
There's also always Card Caster (you don't need to use cards) or Arcane Archer.
>>48286221
I came here for feedback on my playtest and they've been pretty chill too. It's overall been a nice experience.
Speaking of which, I still need to finish outrageous lyricist despite it actually being on the doc, so the playtest may run longer than saturday depending on my schedule.
>>48286256
And the very next level the Hunter learns Air Walk and can cast that on his Wolf. With a Greater Longstrider than Walf is gonna be jamming through the air pretty fast, will be better on land, will hit harder, and make much better use of Broken Wing Gambit, AoO shenanigans, and the Vengeance Strike Skirmisher trick
>>48285664
I've never seen it not be cringey when people do voices, just use your normal voice.
>>48286269
I had been looking at Puppetmaster. How exactly do I build a decent one? The archetype seems really weird. I already knew I was going to get Hexcrafter this time around.
>>48286117is that you, Curse?
>>48286348
Canversely you could say the Roc is saving the Hunter one spell a day at a cost of having inferior combat stats to the wolf. So what's worth more in a spell list primarily about combat, not control, the superior stats or a spell slot?
>>48286348
That raptor doesn't get pounce till 7th level
>>48286083
Hey friend, I wish it wasn't so late, but this was stuck in my head too. Sorry, it's kinda bad but your request was hilarious. I would love to do more but I'm beat from school and work.
I apologize I couldn't edit. Good idea! Thanks!
>>48286348
>>48286256
>>48286165
Just wondering, have you ever played a Hunter in a real game or no? Additionally how often do you play Pathfinder.
>>48286389
There's also the specific campaign to consider. The Roc might be better than the Wolf in an open setting, but in a dungeon crawler the Wolf will outshine it. The toss-up between the Wolf and the Raptor is harder to call in such a setting though; tripping is pretty much the best maneuver to attempt, but unless you're fighting a bunch of humanoids it won't see enough use to justify it.
That said, I'm glad I can finally play a concept I had back when the Mad Dog Barbarian was released.
>>48286211
The summoner is not tier 2 because it has its Summon Monster class feature. It is tier 2 because it has that ability *and* discounts on narrative-distorting abilities.
By 10th-level, a summoner can select two of Lesser Planar Binding, Overland Flight, and Teleport for their spells known.
At 13th-level, a summoner can pick two of Ethereal Jaunt, Greater Teleport, Lesser Create Demiplane, Planar Binding, and Simulacrum as spells known.
Come 16th-level, a summoner can choose two of Create Demiplane, Discern Location, Dominate Monster, Greater Planar Binding, and Teleportation Circles as spells known.
The inquisitor (monster tactician)'s spell level discounts are in no way a match for the summoner's.
>the ability to have a tool for most every situation that acts as the hammer which turns your surroundings to nails. A Monster Tactician has that with their ability to standard action summon creatures which have useful SLAs. They also have the Summon Tactics ability, which, once it comes online, eats the lunch of an entire T3 class (the Hunter)
A versatile tool like this places the class into high tier 3, but not into tier 2. The summoner qualifies because it has this tool *and* important spell level discounts.
>For fuck's sake man, the Monster Tactician and the Summoner are both T2 on the /pfg/ Tier List.
Said tier list was never a /pfg/ community consensus. The community consensus would be the SurveyMonkey tier list survey, which assumed no archetypes.
>>48286191
>Maester Pavel I'm Hand of the King.
>>48286402
You are absolutely correct. I have made a fool of myself in that regard, especially when there were other pouncers. My point on opportunity cost for spells still stands, however.
A 4th-level spell on a 10th-level half-caster is one of their "big guns," and being able to effectively have more is a great boon.
>>48286315
Take full advantage of the fact you get Bard spells for the enchantment trigger: getting the ability to Quicken spells like Lesser Confusion, Lock Gaze (if your friends can take advantage of concealment), Dazzling Silver (immediately pop for save vs. Blind), and Unnatural Lust.
A fun thing to do is combine Shadow Trap with Unnatural Lust to completely rob a target of at least two turns (one turn to make out with their shadow, one to remove the shadow tag). With Hexcrafter, you get Evil Eye + Cackle to tank enemy saves, Slumber and Flight because fuck you and can still throw Intensified Snowballs at people (which if they fail their save, triggers Charmstrike).
Your Spell Combat becomes either defensive (Vanish or Invisibility) or a way to set up a Save or Suck (learn to love Color Spray like a waifu).
>>48286572
>>48286572
I disagree on the raptor. Riding on the animal makes using teamwork feats easier. If an enemy is in melee range of the animal companion, it is in melee range of you. That means you are both flanking always. No set up required.
>>48286348
>>48286594
Over-zealous mod?
>>48286606
>>48286516
>>48286594
Wouldn't an Allosaurus be the best animal companion past 7th level? It would be Large-sized for riding, with 22 Strength/14 Dexterity/14 Constitution, +6 Natural Armor, Low-Light Vision, Scent, Grab, Pounce, a 1d8 bite, two 1d6 claws, AND a 40-foot movement speed? I can't think of any animal companion that rivals something as genuinely-terrifying as this combination except for perhaps a Roc (due to being able to fly and also being amazingly-powerful).
>>48286298
>>48286389
>>48286402
>>48286438
In light of my mistake, I have come to the following conclusions.
Levels 1-6: The wolf is clearly the best animal companion possible here. No pouncers are available, and the wolf can trip enemies with relatively reasonable CMDs.
Levels 7: The wolf is a strong choice. However, I am inclined to say that the deinonychus/velociraptor is still superior for offense due to a pouncing quintuple attack (possibly augmented by Martial Training), and the roc saves a spell slot on Air Walk (which is not even available until 10th-level).
It would be best for a hunter to use a wolf from levels 1-6, then release it from service and use a deinonychus/velociraptor or a roc at 7th-level and above.
(This is the third attempt at this post. The second attempt involved a bizarre image swap.)
>>48286606
Having a Large-sized space is also inconvenient for positioning. The deinonychus/velociraptor can remain Medium and eviscerate enemies with Pack Flanking, Outflank, and Precise Strike.
>>48286654
You may be right. The allosaurus would exceed even the deinonychus/velociraptor's capacities, although it would still encounter issues with Large size.
>>48286472
Dude, the spell discounts on the Chained Summoner list until Spell Level 6 were only useful because other, better casters could steal them. Very few of them were utility spells either: the ones that clearly stood out were entirely combat (Haste @2nd, Evard's @3rd). As an actual class, the Summoner made (and still makes) its money on being able to shit out summons that had SLAs like whoa.
Each of those spells you list (besides the Demiplane line and Simulacrum) are replicated, in whole or in part, by the Summon Monster list. Hell, they can get at least one Summon (Coatl) that is basically a Sorcerer itself. All of those spells are potentially replicated by a dude with a Candle of Invocation. The point of the CoI is that it doesn't matter one goddamned bit what downtime spells a caster can use to "distort the narrative", because that shit costs peanuts to a double digit divine caster who can just craft a Candle of Invocation.
What actually matters is how well a class can handle combat, infiltration, face work, logistics and utility. A Monster Tactician Inquisitor can do all of those well, and obviate entire T3 and below classes at two (combat/infiltration), possibly three or four with Reformation Inquisition and smart summon choices.
The fact that you keep bringing up "narrative altering" spells and the ones you use are mostly the ones that fuck the game in the ass shows the overall worthlessness of the Tiers as a useful metric. It doesn't matter how many nukes you have when one scours the land. It doesn't matter how many tricks you have to break the game because one trick and the game is broken. Beyond that, there's a game breaking trick better than any T1 class gets, available to anyone for a fistful of gold, so the system is useless even in that metric.
>>48286774
Part of the idea behind tiers is that the use of magic items isn't counted towards them; any schmuck can spend gold, invest ranks in UMD, and break the game over his dick. The idea is that, assuming nothing other than the Physical Belt +6/Mental Headband +6/Cloak of Resistance +5/Weapon +5/Armor +5 standards as your items, classes are compared to each other on what they can do with their abilities. Items like the Candle of Invocation aren't counted towards tiers because, as mentioned, ANYONE can use them. But a Fighter/Rogue/Barbarian can't cast wish, haste, fly, or invisibility on themselves, while a Wizard can.
>>48286657
>>48286717
There is theorycrafting and then there is this.
Tell me one thing, how often have you even seen or heard of a game where there ACTUALLY were dinosaurs? The closest thing to a dinosaur that you could see in my games would be lizardmen or dragons.
Another completely related thing is, so lets say maybe dinosaurs exist. What kind of DM just GIVES you a dinosaur at lvl 7 cuz you tell him its teh bestest companion?
Good luck wasting the time of the entire party trying to first - track down your special animal, secondly training it up to actually be loyal to you. Lets just hope you are not on, lets say, a quest to save the world, would be a shame.
All that aside, I agree with the Large space being an issue a lot, either for a mount or companion.
>>48286774
>Dude, the spell discounts on the Chained Summoner list until Spell Level 6 were only useful because other, better casters could steal them.
They also give the summoner the narrative-distorting tools necessary to qualify them for tier 2 status.
A 10th-level summoner can have Lesser Planar Binding and Teleport for spells known. This plus their Summon Monster V ability absolutely qualifies them for tier 2 status.
>Very few of them were utility spells either
Every single spell I have mentioned in >>48286472 is a utility spell in some regard.
>Each of those spells you list (besides the Demiplane line and Simulacrum) are replicated, in whole or in part, by the Summon Monster list.
Direct me to the Summon Monster V choices that can replicate Lesser Planar Binding (an ally which comes in addition to any other summons), Overland Flight, and Teleport.
Show me the Summon Monster VII options that can perform the same feats as Ethereal Jaunt, Greater Teleport, Lesser Create Demiplane, Planar Binding, and Simulacrum.
Point out the Summon Monster VIII monsters that can achieve effects similar to Create Demiplane, Discern Location, Dominate Monster, Greater Planar Binding, and Teleportation Circle.
>Hell, they can get at least one Summon (Coatl) that is basically a Sorcerer itself.
Couatls can be summoned only with Summon Monster IX and Expanded Summons. A 16th-level summoner has already had access to Create Demiplane, Discern Location, Dominate Monster, Greater Planar Binding, and Teleportation Circle.
>replicated by a dude with a Candle of Invocation.
Anyone with a Candle of Invocation is already tier-list-breaking, so I fail to see your point here.
A Candle of Invocation taken to its fullest extent would also obsolete Summon Monster. Even without any loops, a single Candle of Invocation allows for the gating in of a single noble djinni, which in turn grants three Wishes, which subsequently leads to three Greater Planar Bindings, which means three planetars.
>>48286829
>Tell me one thing, how often have you even seen or heard of a game where there ACTUALLY were dinosaurs?
Literally every time someone has played Ebberon? It's kinda a thing there.
>>48286829
Dinosaurs are just like any other creature in this setting. Sometimes you just find them around. Keep in mind androids are a class and nanomachines are a sorcerer bloodline. Pathfinder is completely inconsistent and anything goes.
>>48284875
What did I do to anger the Blink Dog in the first place? This is very important.
