>Optimism, innovation, and the spirit of creativity fill these pages, lavishly illustrated with the award-winning art of Magic: The Gathering™! Welcome to Kaladesh—a vibrant, beautiful plane where anything is possible. Join the heroic Planeswalkers of the Gatewatch as they explore the Inventors’ Fair, and let your imagination soar alongside thopters and airships crafted by the best artificers in the Multiverse.
>Come discover the marvels of Kaladesh—its inhabitants, its inventors, and its artifacts. They all await you at the grand Inventors’ Fair!
the jacetice league confirmed for Kaladesh
>>48240949
>Join the heroic Planeswalkers of the Gatewatch
Uh. Can we just not? Maybe introduce a new setting without the Scooby Gang?
>>48240985
no fuck you it worked for marvel
>>48240949
>The Jacetice League liberates not-India from the oppressive hand of the Magic Apartheid, which hunts and segregates all magic inclined people by sending them to concentration camps.
>mandatory browns and blacks as the majority of the population
>evil doers are white
>Mage Lives Matter
>>48241024
can we just end the whole story now
>>48241024
>The enemy faction mechanic is dredge.
>>48240949
>best artificers in the Multiverse?
phyrexians confirmed
>>48241083
Thank God
>>48240949
I'm getting a Mercadian Masques feel from the description. The art is beautiful and I like the theme.
For once I'd like them to only create a plane with no conflict to be resolved: just make Kaladesh a place you visit and enjoy, and let the world building be the strongest point of the set. The low quality storytelling and their manic effort to emulate the awful "comic book" format with the Gatewatch "superheroes" is killing Magic.
>>48240949
>Optimism
>In/about Magic
That's the best joke I've heard all day!
>>48241130
>>For once I'd like them to only create a plane with no conflict to be resolved
>The second set of the block is called "Aether Revolt" and the short tagline is "take back what is yours".
Don't think so amigo. Also MaRo said that block not about war and conflict is not possible because the game is about conflict.
>>48240985
>>48240949
I liked it more when MTG took inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft, H.R. Giger and John Carpenter.
the mtg story is starting to feel like a series of doctor who
>>48240949
>Things I want from Kaladesh
A fun and innovative view of MtG, more focus on non-creature artifact and spells than creatures.
New curry recipes in uncharted realms.
Non-PWs centric storyline.
Actually hindia magical entities, but because of reasons, such as technology slowly faded into obscurity.
A jab at the caste system
>What I will get
PWs centric story line.
Drama and DRAMA ONLY in the uncharted realms
Focus on creatures
Basically anglo lore with brown people
>>48241063
>First block is storm
>Second one they reveal their warmachine and it's dredge
It'd be PERFECT.
WHERE DE BROWN WOMEN AT?
>>48241343
I'd poo in her loo, if you catch my drift.
>>48241343
Here's one, you can see the rest in other Kaladesh cards from the Origins set.
>>48241356
id jam in her clam
>>48241362
>>48241356
>Everyone is hindian looking in Kaladesh
>Except chandra, she's very white because demographic says waifu can't be brown, normie don't like-like
>>48241104
>all phyrexians die in this block in an anticlimactic, rushed and underwhelming battle
First Eldrazi, now Phyrexia
>>48241312
It can't be, Doctor Who has occasional bouts of competency and even quality.
>>48241238
>H.P. Lovecraft, H.R. Giger and John Carpenter
All of which are racist old white males
>>48241378
White father, Indian mother, both are brown-haired.
Could be genes, could be that innate magic in her blood led to her red-headed nature, could be that she was originally adopted.
>>48241378
They are selling Kaladesh as multicultural. That is an actual selling point. Time to see if "Multicultural means only brown people" is a meme or not.
>>48241397
and they are all amazing and unique...
>>48241356
She's so white she makes Elesh Norn jealous.
>>48241362
And she is ugly as sin.
>>48241397
>>48241417
Jesus that art is ugly and I hadn't noticed till now.
>>48241422
Fine, have this instead.
>>48240949
>thopters and airships crafted by the best artificers in the Multiverse
But Urza is dead.
>>48241417
>Everyone is hindian looking in Kaladesh
>Except chandra's daddy since she has to be very white because demographic says waifu can't be brown, normie don't like-like
>>48241417
Woah woah woah spoiler that image of a white man oppressing a poor minority woman. Srly when wotc will stop with this misogyny?
>>48241439
That's not fucking brown, that's a nigger.
>>48241439
wtf even the slaves have robot slaves
>>48241422
Here, another one of your brown women.
>>48241439
>Hindian afro
No.
Pls racist WotC don't race-supress Hindi people.
>>48240949
>Join the heroic Planeswalkers of the Gatewatch
DELETE THIS
>>48241445
Really now?
Jacetice league was a mistake
>>48241445
Sure is super Hindian-looking here.
>>48241444
Who do you thinkRaven manis?
>>48241445
Have more Hindian looking people, if that's actually a word.
>>48241457
8/10 would let steal my heart and sell for aether
>>48241497
Funny how all these indian people have afroos, black facial features and darker skin.
Also the dude on the left looks very greek or italian.
>>48241445
One last one.
Totally, everyone is Indian-looking but Chandra. Not like this is a multi-ethnicity plane, nope.
>>48241426
Wow, you could use that to destroy everyone in Kaladesh!
>>48241418
>they're selling Kaladesh as multicultural
I don't get this attitude. They literally had one sentence in their description that described it like that. What they're selling it as is Mirroden 2.0, now with less affinity
>>48241560
>now with less affinity
Isn't that actual mirrodin 2.0?
now all races and gender will be specified, for example snapcaster mage was just "human mage" but now in oracle text he will be "male Asian human mage".
of you play any "Caucasian male humans" in your deck you will not be allowed to block any race or gender other then "Caucasian male"
protours will only allow the most diverse decks to compete.
>multicultural
Aren't all settings and sets and blocks ever multicultural?
>>48241586
Good point. How about Mirroden 3.0; We promise it won't be Phyrexia in a year
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/147293699968/i-would-argue-that-tamiyo-is-an-important#notes
>planeswalker packs don’t start until Kakadesh.
>Kakadesh
HE KNOWS
>>48241362
Absolute cancer. I really truly hate how low magic has sunken. Now it is high fantasy D&D 4e power wankery trying to explore "deep and complex characters" It used to have great storylines with Yawgmoth and Urza and the huge world of Dominaria that took DOZENS of sets to explore. Now it is cheap plastic crap made from tacking together elements of other settings and pretending it creates a coherent and enjoyable world.
When your setting can be reduced to "steampunk india" or "gothic horror with angels" or "greek mythic world" or just "mongols" then you know you have failed as a worldbuilder. Wizards of the Coast has done some very poor work with the last few sets. Since Alara it has gone downhill, and it really, it has been going downhill since long before that.
>>48240949
>a vibrant, beautiful plane where anything is possible
except for avoiding creative's forced abortion of a main cast of characters
that one's not possible
>>48241528
>Also the dude on the left looks very greek or italian.
he got lost on the way to Theros
>>48241747
>Tamiyo seal Emrakul in the moon
>Jace talk with his ex and call the gatewatch
>Jace is more important than Tamiyo
Fuck you MaRo.
>>48242051
Don't forget that Tamiyo was Bant because we had to have Jace in Blue wandering around discovering what she already found out.
>>48240949
>jacetice league
I love how Maro has turned this into a /tg/ meme by his hate of it.
I really like the idea of a chill plane that's just cool shit without any world-destroying conflict. However I want the Jacetice league to be dead. Planeswalker cards were a mistake.
>>48242311
see aether revolt
>>48241202
Fuck, time to buy only commander and premium sets then
>>48241202
Eh, I was just looking for an excuse to quit the game. Nice of him to provide.
>>48241202
>three months later people are still surprised wotc is doing exactly what they said they would
I don't care if you like the gatewatch or not, but gatewatch were cofirmed for kaladesh when oath of the gatewatch existed. they were confirmed again when chandra was one of the planeswalker decks and they will continue to be confirmed until something happens that very specifically excludes them. this is not surprising, their very presence should not fill you with rage, because you should be expecting it. do some of you fa/tg/uys order a blt and then bitch about how much you hate tomatoes on your sandwiches?
>>48241773
>steampunk
Where's the steam? Where's the levers? The pumps? The stupidly huge cogs? Hell, where the punk?
Do you know what steampunk is?
>india
The aesthetics, from what we've seen, are clearly drawn from both India and Arabic architecture.
Please be less stupid in future.
>>48241747
>Tamiyo is least important planeswalker
>Jace has done nothing
>Liliana did nothing until she realized shit was so bad that a zombie apocalypse could only improve matters
>Sorin has done barely a damn thing except make shit worse and worse
>Nahiri has been sitting in a corner giggling while her plan unfolds
>Tamiyo has actually been studying and learning new shit and being proactive
>She's least important
Fuck you, Maro.
>>48241694
Oh silly anon, multicultural means either only or the vast majority being negros, you thought meant multiple different cultures? kek
>>48242405
I'm pretty sure I didn't order a fucking superhero troupe when I started playing Magic.
>>48242171
God forbid the living guildpact be UW, too. That's just not kosher with the mono-colored faces of magic plan.
You guys realize that real life India had(and has) skin colors ranging from black to white. There are a shit ton of different ethnic groups mixed together there. (Although Chandra is pale as fuck compared to any of them)
Fucking gatewatch, they're uncharismatic, boring bunch of mary sues
>>48240949
>Pay to Win card games
>>48242482
But magic is played by nerds and nerds love comics.
And people who like comics MUST like superheroes.
Why must people keep giving money to capeshit?
>>48241389
Please let this happen the tears would be delicious
>>48241155
So how much shall we bet the the "oppressive" upper-class are never once shown doing anything questionable that makes logical sense?
>>48241397
I unironically want to know what good sources of inspirations there are that weren't written by white men
>>48241773
>Mtg is now high fantasy
Was it ever not?
>story lines that took dozens of sets to explore
So just the one storyline full of mary sues
>setting reduced to buzzwords
Yeah, how could we forget about such lore filled world's like artifact plane, Giger land, Arabian Nights, Ice Age, basic fantasy world, and fantasy world 2: this time with robot zombies
>>48243075
It'll never happen, but
>gatecapes arrive
>oppressed underclass begs for help
>they help...
>...and by help I mean fuck up everything
>society collapses across the plane
>now they have to fix that shit
>keeping them out of the next, say, 6 or 7 blocks
>>48240949
>instead of helping rebuild Innistrad, the Jacetice league fucks off to a fair
>>48242418
>>48241747
Studying and learning, yes, but she's not actually DOING anything about it that we've seen yet, she's very specific about not interfering.
Jace, Liliana, Nahiri, they're CHANGING things, for better or for worse. Tamiyo sits on the sidelines cataloguing what happens in the game, the others are actually in the game.
In that respect, I can understand why Tamiyo would be less important, or rather less relevant to the plot. You can take her out of the story and replace her with "generic sagely scholar cataloguing things happening" and still get a similar effect.
>invent all kinds of constructs, thopters and other mechanical wonders
>didn't bother inventing the toilet
>>48243103
>Vedas
>Gilgamesh
>1001 Nights
Must I go on?
>>48243174
> not actually DOING anything
SHE PUT EMRAKUL IN THE FUCKING MOON
Now that the Multiverse is safe from the Titans, the Gatewatch spend some down time, which gets disrupted by the events that lead to Aether Revolt. Tensions rise between members of the Gatewatch, who find themselves on opposite sides of the revolution: notably Chandra with the rebels, Jace with the establishment.
Jacetice League: Civil War
Gideon is the guy that subverts expectations by being with the rebels. Just like how Captain America is the figurehead for US government's superheroes... until things get in the way of his ideals like freedom (Cap is probably RW I guess). He backs the rebels out of his sense of justice.
Meanwhile Nissa subverts the other way by siding with the establishment despite being all for the natural order of things and probably being a bit out of her element in a heavily artificed world. Not quite sure how they contrive that one.
Liliana, meanwhile, is torn between caring about Jace and empathising with people not being allowed to earn positions of power for themselves.
>>48243399
Nah. They gotta set that up.
Kaladesh is the plane where Jace, realizing the gatewatch can't be everywhere, creates a magical artificial intelligence, and empowers it with the greatest artifice of kaladesh. It then rebels.and through time travel magic creates the plane of phyrexia, which is later discovered by yawgmoth.
>>48241418
Except Magic was "diverse" in a non-obligatory way that we have today since forever. Fucking Mirage was based on Africa! Nobody fucking cares about Africa but it was pretty amazing and unique. Merquidian Masques was awesome, looking back at some amazing cards that Kamigawa brought - it was pretty good. Fuck even "mongolian magic" turned out good except for that forced Alesha is a transgender thing. gawd that's stupid.
>>48243496
But Phyrexia's creator was a dragon found dead in its core...
>>48243733
They've retconned shit before
>>48243867
>>48243733
Niv-Mizzet
>>48241202
Absolutely disgusting
>>48240949
>Join the heroic Planeswalkers of the Gatewatch as they explore the Inventors’ Fair
Someone shoot MaRo
>>48243579
Kamigawa had great flavor and story but mechanically it was pretty bad, save for very few cards
>>48244040
He doesn't write this nor approve it, you want Doug.
>>48241202
It was always a default.
It's been the default since they were introduced.
Butthurt assholes. Nothing but butthurt assholes for miles around.
>>48244207
>Alara, Scars of Mirrodin, Theros, Khans.
It wasn't the default until they decided to limit the cast to five cartoon characters.
>>48244207
>It was always a default.
Alara had no Gatewatch characters
Tarkir had no Gatewatch characters
Scars of Mirrodin has no Gatewatch characters
Theros had no Gatewatch characters
>>48243579
>gawd
Valley girls have no room to talk.
>>48243993
What about Niv-Mizzet?
>>48244180
OK
Someone shoot Beyer
Also he definitely approves it, considering how pissy he got about the Jacetice League nickname
>>48241390
Not in about 5 years it hasn't.
>>48244690
Approves as in signs off on it not approves of it which you are correct yes he does.
>>48244180
>>48244690
My guess is that MaRo has been pushing this for a long, long time, considering this is really reminiscent of the old Weatherlight days where those guys had to be featured in EVERY set.
Plus, he's always been a comic book lover and he's probably been suggesting things go in this direction for ages.
>>48244837
>considering this is really reminiscent of the old Weatherlight days
They were featured in every set because they were the main characters of a huge multi-block story that took years to tell.
Every plane so far since the Origins Five could be self-contained and never feature Jace & Co., but Hasbro and marketing is probably forcing this angle because of the planned movie, so audiences can have familiar faces to root for
This shit is why I only play commander now, and even then it sucks as the most recent RWB legendary creature is a tranny.
>>48245114
Her being a tranny is mentioned nowhere on the card. The only reason you would know that is from an uncharted realms article. It has nothing to do with the gameplay of the game.
>>48245213
Sure, like everything else it is entirely based on the flavor, which hinges ever towards sensless "Diversity" when MTG contains hundreds of canonical races which could be used.
>>48240949
Ho boy. I don't like the Gatewatch (I don't think anyone does, but feel free to prove me wrong) but the thing I'm dreading the most is a whole year of Poo in the Loo jokes.
>>48244803
There've been pretty good individual stories, much more so in season 9 than 6 or 7.
And the audios are always pretty high quality.
Unlike in magic, where the "story" is the block, and has been kind of underwhelming for a while.
>>48245424
Just report them. The ones that were posted higher in the thread have been deleted so reporting such stale memes clearly works.
The largest problem for mtg writing is not even the planswalkers it is the fact that no one at wotc can write worth a damn
Man, if WoTC made art books and dnd supplements 4 years ago, it would've been incredible.
Now I am uninterested in their shitty writing and storytelling.
>>48240949
We already had a plane themed around. It became New Phyrexia, but those sort of consider themselves machines so it still works.
They should've used "reincarnation" and "karma" as themes for this set.
>>48241516
run hermione run
>>48241417
>>48241378
Don't be surprised when Chandra is darker in this set.
They tried that shit with Liliana and it backfired hard so now she's whiter than she was before, but Chandra actually gives them an excuse for their "darkie" gurrl power character.
>>48241479
So the bad guys are white.
How surprising.
>>48241694
"Multicultural" and "diverse" mean white women, muslims and negros in tumblrspeak.
No ethnic women, no asian men, no latinos, no native americans and definately no actual hindi in india world.
>>48241238
EQUILOR WHEN
But seriously, Bloodhill Bastion looks sick.
>>48241362
Symmetra, what are you doing in Magic?
>>48241130
Hey bright side, it's just going to be 10 or so cards of the Gatewatch and then it'll focus on the actual story.
>>48240949
I'm expecting some neat aesthetics but ultimately, a major letdown for the actual culture part.
>>48248026
I'm fine if they want to make a member of the Gatewatch show up every set. I just wish they wouldn't have all of them everywhere all the time.
Would it have been so bad for Chandra to go on her own little adventure in her homeland?
>>48240949
>the best artificers in the Multiverse.
Venser and Urza are from Kaladesh?
>>48247725
Equilor and Xerex are two planes I'd really like to visit. They're too out there and that should encourage the creation of some weird cards in the vein of Permeating Mass.
>>48241457
>hfw when she has found a great bike to steal
>>48248424
I gotta be honest, I'd steal a cool magical hoverbike. You just know that's the kind they have there.
>>48248125
You can't be the best when you're dead.
>>48243579
>even "mongolian magic" turned out good except for that forced Alesha is a transgender thing. gawd that's stupid.
Except Khans wasn't JUST Mongolia. Sultai clearly was influenced by SE Asia, a.k.a. the same place that, in the real world, is infamous for the number of trannies it has.Alesha's transgender thing was actually pretty tastefully done IMO, it wasn't a "muh persecution" storyline like it could have been and it revealed just how central the "war name" thing was to the Mardu in the first place as a martial society.
The only thing wrong with Khans worldbuilding was that it all retroactively didn't happen because of Sarkhan's scalie shenanigans.
>>48247517
that guy in the far right doesn't look white at all though
>>48248125
>inb4: Kaladesh is Dominaria 3.0
>>48243200
Well, these three along with japanese and chinese mythology, are pretty well used
>>48249679
Wasn't every clan based on an Asian/on the continent of Asia even if not traditionally "Asian" culture?
>Mardu: Mongols
>Jeskai: Tibet
>Sultai: Thailand
>Abzan: Persia
>Temur: Siberia
>>48243143
Nope, MaRo said we will see them every block forever because it's amazing storytelling
Majority of the playerbase likes Jacetice league apparently
>>48249732
Pretty much, but I think they played a bit loose with each of them.
Frankly speaking, I think Tarkir was a huge hit in terms of worldbuilding (especially Khans block, like I said before). I do wish the Temur had gotten better mechanics, though.
>>48241417
>>48241439
>>48241457
>>48241479
>>48241497
>>48241516
>>48241539
>inb4 Kaladesh is actuallynot!Canada
>>48241420
Ugh. Could you, like, not? It's 2016. We don't need to hear from old white men anymore! Stop holding onto your racist world view.
>>48249765
>Majority of the playerbase likes Jacetice league apparently
And it's nice that Maro says that, but WotC has a history of manipulating polls to say whatever they want them to say, and lying to our faces when that's not enough. I'm not saying he is lying, but he's not a trustworthy source either.
>>48249819
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
What I don't understand is the gatewatch was specifically formed to eliminate or pacify the Eldrazi titans. Since Kozilek and Ulamog are dead and Emrakul is trapped in Innistrad's moon, none of the neowalkers have any obligations of being in the gatewatch anymore.
>>48249924
>none of the neowalkers have any obligations of being in the gatewatch anymore.
Like that's going to stop Creative going "These people who have assembled literally twice for a few days at a time are now best buds for life, because that's how it worked in the Avengers!"
Which completely misses that the MCU Avengers lasted as a united group for, oh, approximately the last third of the original Avengers, half of the first act of Age of Ultron, and then maybe the first half of the last act of same, before booting Iron Man and Hulk and then slintering even harder in every movie since.
>>48249924
>>48249988
They formed the Oathwatch in recognition to the fact that there existed threats to the entire Multiverse, like the Eldrazi Titans. Just because the three Titans that they were already aware of are toast now doesn't mean that they'd dissolve entirely. If the Oathwatch were only about allying against the Eldrazi, they wouldn't have bothered with the fancy oaths in the first place.
Please let Kaladesh have the tiniest tie-in to Urza/Mishra/Yawgmoth. PLEASE.
It would be godlike if there was a single old artifact found on the plane, even something innocuous like Rod of Ruin or something.
Some of that stuff has to be out there somewhere.
Also, this would be the perfect time for Jaya Ballard to come back. They have been hinting that she is still alive for quite a few sets now (even if she is just MILF Chandra with 80's hair).
>>48250086
>mfw Mishra's Bauble reprint
>>48250086
Well, for one, there's Ornithopters.
>>48250086
>>48250134
>Mfw they find Dragon Engines
>>48250030
>Old Mtg
>It took might of 9 godwalkers powering 9 titan engines specifically designed to seek and destroy phyrexians by the millions to even make a dent against Yawgmoth's armies
>It took a legacy weapon powered by all the white mana siphoned from a fucking plane made entirely of white mana and the manifestation of goodness and virtue in order to kill Yawgmoth once and for all.
>New Mtg
>A gang of five kids bumbles from plane to plane solving mysteries, killing unspeakable cosmic horrors and defending the free world from the nefarious Elesh Norn and her new Phyrexia and backing it back just in time for the High School Prom!
>>48250134
>>48250157
>>48250163
>yfw they find thewreck of the Sisay's second ship
>>48250227
Don't forget
>Old MTG
>Heroes would die all the time
>New MTG
>No danger at all
>>48250268
>no danger at all
Never forget.>implying she won't be back from the underworld in the inevitable Return to Theros
>>48250227
>Magic storylines pre-mending are different from those post-mending
>
>>48250312
She's honestly the only character since the Dominaria focus ended with Time Spiral to have a complete character arc.
>>48250338
There's no more stakes anon.
You just know when the gatewatch shows up, all the plane's problems are going to be immediately and conveniently solved and be printed in card form.
>>48250375
There have been two blocks that involve the Gatewatch in any way at all, and the second one unambiguously shows that if it weren't for someone else showing up (Liliana) they would have been entirely BTFO. Hell, on the first plane, 99% of the place was reduced to dust first, and once they were done a former oldwalker personally showed up and was like "You guys may have seriously fucked shit up by doing this, you know that, right?"
In terms of unambiguous victories, the Gatewatch is 0 for 2. So where are you getting the idea that modern storylines have no stakes?
>>48250086
> MILF Chandra with 80's hair
Every thing about this phrase makes me rock hard.
>>48250086
>>48250163
>>48250249
Phyrexian vanguard arrives in final set of Kaladesh block. Jaya Ballard lives! She pilots the last of Urza Planeswalker's Titan Engines, complete with a fully stocked aerie of Falcon Engines and functional mana cannons, riding at the head of a grand army of Metathran.
>>48250508
>big bads of Kaladesh are just about to win, Gatewatch is getting wrecked
>Jaya Ballard shows up out of nowhere and casts Inferno
"Catch you fuckers at a bad time?"
>>48250494
>In terms of unambiguous victories, the Gatewatch is 0 for 2. So where are you getting the idea that modern storylines have no stakes?
Because mtg is plagued with lazy story telling, they leave multiple different ambiguous story prompts after wrapping up every story arc, so they have something to spring board off if they ever decide to revisit ol planes or character assets, just so the main protagonists to conveniently solve and wrap up again ad infinitum.
>>48241417
There's a mutant cosmic entity devouring planes but sure genetic matters
>>48250613
You're contradicting yourself.
"Modern Magic is plagued with lazy storytelling," fine. I can honestly agree with that, but your evidence doesn't support this. What's wrong with slightly open endings? Yes, they can serve as sequel hooks, but for what's intended to be an ongoing storyline, why is this a problem?
Please bear in mind that the only alternatives to this are ongoing storylines which never get resolved, or multiple puny storylines which are always flawlessly "wrapped up" followed by complete non sequiturs.
>>48250613
This. The stories have no weight to them whatsoever anymore.
Hell, the entire Urza storyline from the Brothers War all the way up to Apocalypse only has one actual victory, and it comes at the cost of countless planes and characters (and eventually seeded the multiverse to nearly implode on its self as a chain reaction centuries later).
Now we get "Zendikar is ruined...but everything is ok and we can rebuild no problem" and "Innistrad is totally fucked! Oh, wait it has exactly what we need to win on it (and it was always fucked up so who cares about the new shit anyway...)".
>>48241417
>could be that she was originally adopted.
>her biological mother is Jaya
>>48240949
>the best artificers in the Multiverse.
How the hell are the Thran on Kaladesh?
>>48250751Sleepers
>>48241444
In this timeline.
>>48250898
>The events of Time Spiral accidentally brought Urza, Mishra and Yawgmoth back to life in some capacity on random planes
>>48250751
DYNAMO REPRINT WHEN
>>48241356
Braids is red now?
>>48241420
>and they are all amazing and unique...
Everyone is amazing and unique. Even you.
>>48250602
> none of them had more than 6 life left
>>48242418
Tamiyo was, by her own admission, just watching what happened. She had no intention of lifting a finger to help anyone because in her view that's not her place as an outsider. The Gatewatch presumably changes her mind in one of the upcoming URs.
>>48245382
Is it really that far-fetched we'd eventually stumble across a trans character at some point on one of the dozens of worlds we stumble across? And as someone else pointed out it was mostly used as a way to show just how huge a deal war-names were with the Mardu.
>>48251121
Fuck off special snowflake hippie.
>>48250602
>Has to sacrifice all her permanents because the opponent has 100,000 Obliterators under their control
>>48240949
Fire magics are banned cause Kaladesh is controlled by the jew
More evidence: There will be no swastikas despite them being a traditional Indian symbol
>>48250356
Nah, Jace has had like 3 now.
Also wasn't he supposed to be the guildpact?
>>48249819
Why do all these super opressed tumblr pocs act and speak like rich valley girls?
>>48251271
Considering I seem to recall them tipping a Ravnica 3: Guild War in the future, him neglecting his job miiiiiiiight come back to bite him.
>>48242510
India has always been subsaharan african because dravidians are dark skinned and I can't be bothered to distinguish one type of wog from another.
>>48244332
Okay you're right but they have generally had "Face" planeswalkers in some way. Characters that have been used as "general representation of single color mana" across time.
Alara had Ajani
Theros and Scars of Mirrodin had Elspeth
Tarkir had Sorin, who's played a role in the Gatewatch story in the past (albeit before they were the gatewatch.
>>48241238
>"I liked it more when MTG took inspiration from H.P. Lovecraft"
>Literally coming right out of the !Cthulhu block
Okay
>>48249679
>trying to push stupid sounding wedge names based on clans that are literally retconned out of existence in the same block.
>>48251911
Let's be fair, the shards are now just boundary lines in the united Alara, and the clan names are still part of the world's lore, they're just the names associated with life before the horrible, horrible dragons now.
>>48241155
They filled earlier sets with just random shit from the settings, with only hints at the actual storyline, and it worked just fine. The hell is he smoking?
>>48241155
>>48252017
Yeah, you could easily have a set that focuses on nothing but fleshing out a world. We have cards that represent tons of non-combat things already. We have merchants, innkeepers, people singing songs. We don't need there to be a big war going on in a set in order to have magic battles.
>>48251911
I don't really give a shit about that. Call it BUG or America if you want, just please keep your autism in check if other people want to call them by the Khans names.
>>48252050
I mean, you can have a card representing a warrior without there actually being a dedicated war. They don't just magically disappear once a war ends or during peacetime.
It's like the comments he's made about the non-combat aspects of Red. If they weren't fucking lazy, they could insert those themes in a way that makes sense.
>>48241773
MtG stories have always been stupid. The weatherlight saga was basically star trek in the same way the Gatewatch was the avengers. I happen to agree that that flavor of stupid was more charming, but dont ever pretend that magic was once good, and now it is a shell of what it once was. Its just a different flavor stupid.
Honestly, I think that a set of trading cards is a cool way to explore a world and a less good way to tell a story.
>>48252665
Weatherlight was stupid, but the Ice Age story was great. When I was a kid, I'd buy Fallen Empires and Ice Age boosters instead of Urza's Saga because I liked the art and story better. I ended up with a whole lot of worthless cards because of it, but who cares.
Urza's the fuckin man
>>48252852
This smug fucker is just waiting for you to power that monolith.
Gerrard is still a fag.
>>48240949
Does anyone actually like the Jacetice League? I can't imagine that it's pulling in all of the kids who were raised on superhero movies.
>>48250914
>Tamiyo has a story scroll about the destruction of Serra's Realm at the hands of Old Phyrexia
>Jace found out about this when they were mindfused
>New Phyrexia is searching for ways to expand beyond the horizon
>Venser was fucking around with Old Phyrexian portal tech he found in Urborg before he died>Phyrexia United is the block after Kaladesh
>>48242482
Me either, and I see the turn off.
When I started with Magic, the focus was on the adventures of the weatherlight, and the hot-shit planeswalker was Urza. I miss Urza, and Gerrard, and Mirri. The new characters seem pretty boring to me in comparison.
Don't care for most of the Neowalkers that I see. There are planeswalkers in the current plot I like, but the gatewatch is not it.
I don't actually expect any different though. Just means the story of MtG is no longer interesting.
The setting is still interesting enough that I want to play/run a MtG campaign though (sans Gatewatch Heroes!), and I'll still Draft/EDHDuelCommander/Cube, but I lost interest in the competitive formats and casual a few years back at this point.
>>48243347
Wasn't that Nissa and Liliana? You can see the big green Eldrazi symbol on the moon in the leaked image, and we know Liliana used the Chain Veil to get the power to make it happen.
Tamiyo's contribution has been the diary that Jace followed.
>>48255474
Imprisoned in the Moon has Nissa and Tamiyo in the art, you dolt.
>>48250914They already did, the embodiment of the one mana type Urza couldn't use, but used as Urza would use the others: Nissa and Green.
>>48243496
Time Travel magic, to everyone surprise, is generally handled very well by the MtG team, and explicitly cannot cross planar boundaries
>>48255490
Except we know Liliana and Nissa are the ones doing it, because the art book shows them doing it. Liliana has the power, Nissa has the spell. So what's Tamiyo doing, how's she doing it, and why is she breaking her noninterference rule?
>>48255546
>Tamiyo. The scroll. The iron scroll. You showed it to me. An old story. A powerful story. The survivors of a place that was lost...Serra's realm. That cataclysm, that power...the story fits. You know it does. You can stop this.
http://magic.wizards.com/node/1020261
>>48241773
But tarkir was great until the dwagons destroyed it
Does kaladesh look really boring to anyone else? Its basically random ethnic girls in a city with thopters. Ravnica had tons of different factions and races, and mirrodin was far more artifact-centric with the entire world and all the creatures on it being made of metal. They must be hiding a majority of the content, right?
>>48241439
Hey it's the new iron man
>>48255920
The only recent set that's been really interesting to me is Conspiracy. It looks like Magic, it feels like Magic, it has one planeswalker card and its a new guy.
I got back into Magic at Gatewatch. After being blown away by the crazy power level of the game, and the really interesting stuff I missed (Ravnica, Innistrad, Lorwynn, Time Spiral-albeit mainly from a gameplay perspective on that one) I've been treated to some really lame stuff. Theros is the coolest of the rest, I suppose.
>>48242405
>surprised
no, anon, we're not surprised
we just fucking hate it
why do you think hating something is mutually exclusive with knowing it's going to be there, anon?
when can we get an actually interesting story that doesn't just involve the same 5 boring characters saving the world with the power of friendship again?
is it physically impossible to explore a new realm without having these chucklefucks solve all its problems?
>>48241500
>Raven Man is Mishra's body possessed by Yawgmoth
>Urza's two greatest mistakes in one form
>mfw
I don't particularly like Phyrexia, but I just want to see him wreck Norn's shit.
>>48257688
God I hope not. Leave them dead.
>>48257718
oh, there's no way they're ever coming back. I'm not that delusional
>>48257718
I wouldn't mind Mishra. I feel he didn't get enough love
>>48257766
He's just another Urza in most respects. The only real difference is that the Phyrexians got to him.
As for not getting enough love, he got a Legend card, which is more than many get.
>>48257791
Would still be cool to get a super artificer who helps New Phyrexia expand
>>48257820
>who helps New Phyrexia expand
That would be Gix's bit, no?
>>48252770
I thought Jodah was criminally underused, especially since he survived from the Dark through Ice Ages and Alliances, and was still alive through Time Spiral.
Can't have a cool and relevant non-planeswalker anymore though.
>>48240949
>the jacetice league confirmed for Kaladesh
Maro already stated that the Jacetice league will be involved in every set going forward in some way or another.
>>48241083
Expect Phyrexia after Kaladesh or the block after.
Standard is clearly being towards an artifact matters theme, first with the Investigate mechanic and now Kaladesh. This is a deliberate (and quite obvious) effort to set up the perfect environment for the return of the Phyrexians after a six year absence.
WotC is being so careful setting this all up is because it'll be the first time we make a third return. There is no precedent to this so the higher-ups are worried about how it may fare sales-wise. That is why three preemptive measures designed to boost sales have been taken:
>Hyping it to hell and back.
Expect big and flashy reveal and whatnot. It will be sudden and plenty polemic to exploit collective hysteria. There is no such thing as bad publicity after all. My sources tell me the reveal may be tied to the end of Aether Revolt, how so Ido not know.
>Powerlevel will be quite high.
This is because WotC intends to make this particular set be not only the linchpin of Standard, but also Modern-relevant by having it spawn a new powerful deck like the BfZ block did. This is because WotC has realized that, should all else fail, they can rely on Spikes to boost sales. This is a warning to Standard players, you better start saving up now because its going to be nearly impossible to build a competitive deck that does not use New New Phyrexia cards.
>The set will be centered around a Phyrexian invasion.
With this, WotC intends to appeal to old players that played during the original Invasion block while technically avoiding returning to Mirrodin a third time, which is the directive's main concern.
Also, before you ask, yes, the Gatewatch will be involved.This time however friendship won't save the day.
Finally, if the Phyrexian block is truly tied to the Kaladesh block expect Tezzeret to get a card in Aether Revolt. That's how you'll know its habbening.
The only way I can forgive Wizards is if we get a Phyrexia vs. Eldrazi set.
Seriously, the silver moon is the biggest setup to something awesome that Wizards will never have the balls to do.
>silver is the only metal that can be used in a device that can planeswalk, as we can see with our old friend Karn
>silver is also a metal susceptible to compleation, as we can see with Mirrodin, Karn, and Memnarch
>Emrakul is probably very resilient to the oil, but the moon she is imprisoned within is not
>Gatefaggots express ship Innistrad's moon directly to New Phyrexia and crack it open
>chaos ensues
>Emrakul, surprisingly, seems to be the victor
>unfortunately, with a silver moon now within New Phyrexia's grasp, they compleat it into a giant, oil-slicked silver moon
>the perfect device for planar conquest
>New Phyrexia sails the planes in their new oily eldritch moon, leaving their old world to be fed upon by Emrakul
>ideally, the Gatewatch dies in the ensuing battle and Karn shows up to piss on their corpses before dueling to the death with compleated Venser
>Ugin can come too
>>48261727
>Gatewatch confirmed for Return to New Phyrexia
Fug.
>>48261835
Actually, silver's the only material that can be sent back in time. Pretty sure the weatherlight was made of wood and shit.
>>48262560
It's been confirmed for every block in some shape or form from here on out. They are even releasing "planeswalker" decks that contain the relevant walkers for each block starting with kaladesh.
You know, for the casuals that can't afford $30 cards, but still want to have representative walkers and not only $2 tibalts and kioras.
Planeswalkers are the story now, so they have to get them in peoples hands, even if they suck. Look, here's chandra primed and ready to be the main character for the next block.
>>48262752
Now that I think about it the biggest implication of the walker decks is that there are going to be a LOT more walkers in each block. Previously we had like 4-5 walker cards per block, but since each intro is going to have a walker and those aren't going to be in the set per se that number is going to be kicked up to 8-9 from now on.
So yeah, be prepared to see a lot of returning characters and plenty new ones. After all, they can't have the same characters in the intros every block.
>>48250268
Seriously. They're all superman now. 3 planeswalkers about to be slaughtered by Ob. Blink in Chandra to save the day. Jace about to face divine wrath from Avacyn. No, Tamiyo saves him or some shit.
Kill someone for fucks sake.
The emotional depth of these new planeswalkers is sad. No major faults or anything that makes them relatable/interesting. They're always switching colors n shit. Sorin is Black! FUCK
>>48264084
Marketing says they're not allowed to kill potentially marketable characters
Which means they can't kill characters
>>48264112
>>48264084
Consider that killing walkers and replacing them with new ones increases the pool for potentially viable walkers to have in play at the same time. From a game design perspective, its probably in wizards' best interest to recycle names as often as they can and narrowly cost everyone new.
>>48243175
Underrated Post
>>48250494
Sounds like a superhero movie
>>48262989
This is going to be problematic from a design perspective because they are running out of planeswalker design space FAST.
There are already lots of "repeats" on abilities. It is only going to get worse.
Kaladesh Non-Basic Land
Designated Shitting Street
Enters tapped
Taps for 2 Brown mana
Activate only if you control no other toilets
>>48264754
Yeah, I almost made a follow up comment about how it's just about impossible for Wizards to do anything at this point that wouldn't be reminiscent of a cape flick, but I figured it was unnecessary
>>48250602
OK, but, I would prefer...
>Chandra "what would Jaya do at a time like this"
> Jaya out of nowhere "this"
>join the heroic planeswalker of the Gatewatch as they longue around
Let me guess what happened
>Tamiyo : you just saved innistrad what are you going to do?
>Jace : I'm going to Kaladesh.
>Tamiyo : don't you have a job to do?
>>48241747
>kakadesh
topkek
>>48241457
I like this art except for her facial expression. She doesn't look like a rogue about to do some infiltrating. She looks like she jumped up there and someone was taking a picture of her so she had to give them a big fucking smile.
"Aw, you guys caught me!" "Whirler Rogue you lovable scamp you!"
>>48240949
>Inventors’ Fair
>let your imagination soar alongside thopters and airships crafted by the best artificers in the Multiverse
The plane ISN'T going to be completely annihilated by the end of the block? I'm actually kinda excited.
Artifacts and artificers are also some of the coolest design space in the game I think desu
>>48267508
>The plane ISN'T going to be completely annihilated by the end of the block?
The second set is called Aether Revolt. Don't get your hopes too far up.
>>48250312
I just want Elspeth to be happy; the fact that she gets the short end of the stick, while Lilianna gets a free pass is a total bummer.
>>48257186
Conspiracy was very much aimed at nostalgic old school players
>>48244690
>>48244837
Seriously. Neither will be particularly missed.
>>48249679
So what is Alesha? A trap? A chick in non-boob conforming armour? A trap posing as a chick in non-boob conforming armour?
>>48246015
But they did.
3e, 3.5, AND 4e.
>>48268454
Trans chick: born male, male genitalia(although when it was first revealed there were a number of stupidly explosive discussions here on whether or not the Mardu could have had access to shape-shifting sexual resassignment spells), apparently identifies as female because she took her grandmother's war-name.
>a trap posing as a chick
Isn't that kinda redundant?
How do you guys know all this shit?
Are there lore videos I should look into? Blogs I should be reading?
I know one of the complaints recently has been the overabundance of Jace 'n' Friends. I know why they're doing this - they see it as marketable characters that move stories blah blah blah.
However, if you could choose Planeswalkers who already have one - and only one card - to form a new group to follow around, who would you choose?
Can't help but feel like Dack Fayden would be fun to follow around.
>>48240949
>esper
>ravnica
>phyrexia 1&2
>dominaria
>fiora
>na its fucking kaladesh that has the best artifacers in the multiverse nigga
What even the fuckis going on at wotc? Dominaria made a fucking planeswalker golem and yawgmoth made himself into a machine so strong it coul take on multiple oldwalkers but its fucking kaladesh that has the best artifacers?
>>48241334
Its obviously affinity....
>>48265149
>There are already lots of "repeats" on abilities.
That's entirely intentional though. Liliana of the Dark Realms gave Liliana entirely new abilities and people didn't think it felt like a Liliana card. That's why WotC decided that all planeswalkers from now on must have a stricter roster of abilities that are tweaked slightly from card to card.
>>48255474
tamiyo does what jace does with nissa in the last block. Hes tooweak to protect the entire gatewatch and himself while directly fighting emerakul.
>>48270497
I wanna see Ral and Domri meet up and go toe-to-toe against someone like Tibalt
>>48252852
His spark is inside Karn right?
What bullshit would you fellas do, to have this glorious bastard back?
I would bring New phyrexia to Kaladesh, only for the Gatewatch to revive Urza with Karn's help. He could act as their Zordon.
>>48270594
Dominaria is still fucked, and as you said, everyone worth a shit is dead.
Phyrexians create abominations, that are not fuel efficient
Ravnica has less artificers
No one cares about Esper nor Fiora
Kaladesh created functional A.I and it is technically a Utopia.
I couldn't care less. Bring Elspeth back and unfuck Tarkir.
>>48248002
I stay out of /b/ and /v/ in order not to fap to overwatch anon, but you test my self-control... and I fail... off to fap.
>>48270772
No, Karn's current spark is Venser's. I assume the Phyrexian oil fucked up Urza's spark while Karn was zoning out on his throne in Mirrodin's core with the Phyrexians.
>>48247472
And gideon went from Hugh Jackman to "tanned albino african" too.
>>48240949
so every set now is going to be about the power rangers?
>>48241479
Those are the opressive not!brits.
They're the evil faction in this one, which is monowhite, and work with meritocracy and hard work(pictured card has renown), while the allied UBRG faction will have multicultural marxism, represented by a mechanic that spreads power and toughness equally amongst all your creatures.
>>48270808
phyrexia also created planar portals and nanobots, those are as high tech as it gets
