Magic: The Gathering Modern General
(competitive discussion)
>Playing?
>Brewing/Tweaking?
>Next MTG purchase?
>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
EMN spoiler link:
magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eldritch-moon
The updated Modern Metagame is below.
The overall and paper Modern Metagame.
(1 month old)
Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml
Modern deck primers link:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern
what do you guys think about pic related?
when would you play this over remand?
>>48230341
>Playing?
Jeskai Harbinger, Grixis Control/Midrange, Kiki-Chord.
>Brewing/Tweaking?
Bant Knightfall with Tamiyo, Field Researcher.
>Next MTG purchase?
3 Tamiyo Field Researcher, 4 Eldrich Evolution.
>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
Eldrich Evolution, Tamiyo, Field Researcher, Thalia, Heretic Cathar.
>>48230494
The only upside is bouncing one of your opponents creatures for a tempo swing, your creature after blocks are declared or for enter the battlefield value.
>>48230494
I super love it. I feel like it's a lateral movement from Remand. Drawing a card is great, but being able to bounce a creature is comparable.
Unsubstantiate is a pure tempo card, plain and simple. I've already got a playset on order and gonna try to make some sort of Ux tempo shell work.
>>48230494
Returning a spell in the stack counters it?
>>48230105
OK, so my deck is goldfishing around turn 6. Is that bad?
>>48230738
i think thats around normal for an aggressive deck you really do want to kill people within 4-5 turns in modern because the decks that can get past that often combo out or stabalize
>>48230341
>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
Elritch Evolution for obvious reasons.
Collective Brutality for being arguably one of the best sideboard cards for black in a long time.
New Thalia for being a means to win the game against aggro decks and any deck that uses fetch lands.
>>48230730
No. The card is put into its owner's hand. The spell does not resolve because it's no longer on the stack to try to resolve. This is not countering. Spells that cannot be countered can be returned to their owner's hand with Unsubstantiate.
>>48230939
What i mean:
>Does it counter spells without actually countering something?
Aka: does this hits abrupt decay
>>48230494
>what do you guys think about pic related?
Nice versatility. Will buy up as many as possible.
>when would you play this over remand?
Game 2 against Jund, when the Abrupt Decays come out. The tempo advantage of drawing a card is big enough to not be strictly outclassed by Unsubstantiate.
>>48230978
It doesn't counter anything. It returns the spell to its owner's hand. The targeted spell will not resolve. The word "counter" does not appear on the card, so it will not counter anything.
It will hit Abrupt Decay.
>>48230698
So how big is the power gap between jund, grixis, and abzan and their match ups.
>>48231040
jund is tier 1, grixis t2 and abzan more t3, but im just going off of tier list, i feel like jund is more resilient to more strategy but im a combo player, love tooth and nail hate control
So what does this do other than be a way to get a missing combo piece for Abzan CoCo?
>>48231170
Discard 2 elves > Allosaur rider > Iona
>>48230341
>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
Haunted Dead as a new tool for the emerging dredge decks.
Eldritch Evolution only because of the Saffi Eriksdotter + Crypt Champion combo.
Curious Homunculus in UR.
>>48231214
I want this meme to stop.
>>48231230
>Eldritch Evolution only because of the Saffi Eriksdotter + Crypt Champion combo.
Hooooooly shit, that's actually fucking hilarious, that makes the combo so more consistent its scary.
>>48231230
>Eldritch Evolution only because of the Saffi Eriksdotter + Crypt Champion combo.
I don't get how this combo does anything significant.
>>48230341
>Playing?
Temur Scapeshift & Finkel Storm
>Brewing/Tweaking?
Tweaking around a Delver deck in Pauper atm.
>Next MTG purchase?
Working slowly on Legacy Dredge.
>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
The new Emmy is definitely relevant as both decks I own can self-destruct, and he has the potential to come out rather fast. Eldritch Evolution seems to be the most hyped card overall, prepared to see lots of it. One card I'm personally interested in is Splendid Reclamation, that could end up being a sideboard card I'd add for my local Living End meta.
>>48230494
From a Scapeshift point, much worse and I'd never play it. Really can't lose out on card draw.
>>48231214
> Swamp > Dark Rit > Entomb > Exhume > Iona on Turn 1
Is there a more satisfying feeling than turning your arbor elf into an eldritch abomination turn 3 with a tooth and nail deck?
>>48231682
Yeah. Infinite Squirrels on turn 3.
>>48231682
can i get a list
>>48231987
>>48232090
am i reading this wrong or are there only 10 lands in that deck
>>48232132
For some reason I have 2 forest prints and it left out the one with 10 so add another 10 forests, you can see the 21 lands at the top.
Playing Affinity. What else?
Tweaking Bogles. I can make arcanum wings work dammit!
Emn cards= werewolf robot. Sigardas aid? And deploy the gatewatch.
Tell me this:
Red Burn, Green Stompy, or Tooth and Nail?
>>48232306
i would say it depends on your meta, if there is alot of infect/affinity/burn dont go tooth and nail you will have a bad time, if its alot of control try tooth and nail with mainboard bosieju
>>48230341
I haven't actually read the Nahiri the Harbinger Card. The +2 basically doesn't require anything, right? The discard is completely optional right?
>>48232413
That is correct; it is a 'may'.
>>48232430
Huh. I should get her.
>>48231521
Sac Saffi to Eldritch Evolution to bring out crypt champion.
This produces an infinite loop.
You Sac Saffi to make Crypt Champion return to the field after he sacrifices himself.
When Crypt Champion enters the battlefield each player gets to reanimate a 3 drop, you reanimate Saffi
Repeat process ad infinium while you have say... Impact Tremors out or Bitter Ordeal in hand and you win.
>>48232552
I don't think that's how that works
>>48232607
No that is exactly how it works
>>48232607
That's because it doesn't work that way.
>>48232552
Saffi's ability has a cost of sacrificing Saffi. You don't get to play her ability if you sacrificed her to Eldritch Evolution.
The combo does work without Eldritch Evolution, though.
>>48232697
>>48232718
Yeah, I meant the Eldrich Evolution. Everything else seemed legit, though.
>>48232718
yeah, but you sac her as a cost for eldritch evolution first to bring out crypt champion, who then brings back saffi and THEN you start using her sac ability to loop
eldritch evolution is only useful in getting both of them into play/starting the loop when you only have saffi in play
>>48232718
>>48232732
You can sac the reanimated Saffi before crypt champion sacs himself, so you simply reanimate Saffi after EE resolves, then sac her before Crypt Champ sacs himself.
Its all still kosher right?
>>48232745
Oh. Hey, you're right. My bad, anon. That's a pretty sweet 3 card (Saffi, Evolution, wincon) combo.
>>48232745
Can you even use Saffi in between crypt champion's 2 triggers? Because if it works such that you can go Saffi -> Evo -> champ -> champ's ETB triggers are put on stack -> res trigger resolves -> get back saffi -> sac saffi before sac trigger resolves, then evo makes that combo scary consistent.
Impact Tremors is probably the best wincon for it.
>>48232839
to be honest, i don't think the combo is going to be viable enough to warrant putting much more thought into it
it's a neat interaction though
What are some good fringe cards for Titanshift?
I've been trying out Prismatic Omens and Commune for Lavas as 2 ofs, but am largely unimpressed by both, and I'm looking for a solid 2-of to replace them
I was thinking Summoner's Pact for more Titans, but I'm open to some creative/wackier suggestions if anyone's got any
>>48230775
Normal for most agro but burn should be able to goldfish at t4-5 otherwise something is wring with the decklist.
>>48232897
Does the deck run Bring to Light already?
>>48232839
>Can you even use Saffi in between crypt champion's 2 triggers?
Yes. The combo won some big tournament back in... whenever Time Spiral came out.
https://youtu.be/2Jd46aQn7GA?t=704
>>48232552
The major problem with this is that you need 6 mana to drop the Eldritch Evolution and Bitter Ordeal in one turn and hope your opponent has no counters.
You also need to hope your Saffi doesn't get killed or exiled the turn before.
>>48232839
I would say Altar of the Brood is the best wincon here
>>48230494
against abrupt decay
>>48232960
Nah, it's GR, no blue
>>48230341
Great, we're back to attracting newfags who opened a Nahiri in their booster pack. And a few questions that don't do anything for discussion. At least the last question is good.
How is Memeskai doing lately?
Are the new list good?
>>48233496
If they're smart they'll use the links provided in the first 2 posts to learn about the best format.
How do I make BUG work in modern
Even a starting point would be helpful, BUG delver doesnt work
>>48233907
>>48233496
I think we should put more effort into putting good standard cards into the OP besides nahiri. It helps introduce people to the format by showing them some of their standard cards are viable in modern.
>>48234969
Play it like Jund or Junk and replace all the red and white stuff with blue stuff
>>48235352
Great! We can start with Asylum Visitor in the next thread!
>>48235401
Please don't make it into a meme for those of us who actually like the card
>>48230341
>>Playing?
Nothing, I mostly play pauper and online non-dredge eternal, then meme on memedern.
>>Brewing/Tweaking?
turbo Jund, Skred the new 3/4 draw 3
>>Next MTG purchase?
-
>>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
Flayer, bedlam, idk.
>>48230494
Why'd I'd remove my x4 timewalk???
>>48235352
I want to agree but at the sane time I winder how many new players to MTG are on the traditional gaming board of 4 chan
>>48237012
We get new player posts fairly regularly
>>48230341
Holy shit. I'm the first guy who mentioned the Saffi Eldritch Evolution Combo. The wincon is Blood Artist or Zulaport cutthroat. I thought it was obvious. You play an abzan aristocrats shell with a combo finish. Bitter Ordeal and Altar of the Brood are terribad.
>>48237395
>Bitter Ordeal and Altar of the Brood are terribad.
This. Bitter Ordeal needs mana. Altar of the Brood is especially bad since you're just spinning your wheels against Tron or any deck that runs a ROE titan.
I like EE, and want to try to brew with it, but I can't help but feel it's trumped by CoCo and Chord if all people can come up with is MeliraFinks Lite and Allosaurus Meme.
Sorcery speed with sacrifice on cast is just begging to get you 2-for-1'd. Pod this is not.
>>48237705
The only thing I like when looking at the EE Saffi combo is that you can play an abzan aristocrats shell with mostly 2 drops and just combo out on your opponent with by drawing an EE and having saffi on the field or in the gy. It was already an ok shell but with EE it gets the ability to just randomly win out of nowhere.
>>48237776
My favorite thing about it is that it doesn't need an outside sac engine. I'm probably going to rig the combo into a midrange list at any rate.
>>48231682
Yeah, playing an actually good deck.
>>48232531
i got a pile of her at 10 bux and sold 'em all when they were buylisted at 30. feels profitable, man.
best decks against blue control, burn and stompy?
that's my meta. I play monogreen infect, but looking for another type of deck.
>>48238500
Green Black Infect
The added control might be what you need
>>48230341
>Brewing/Tweaking?
Monoi Green eldrazi-tron, honetly think this is one of the most insane decks there is, trun 2 with eldrazi temple into matter reshaper and possibly another land drop from him dying is insane and opens up for easy RS on the field. I feel like this deck is really strong atm.
>Next MTG purchase?
2xMatter reshaper
>>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
>>48238633
GB is strictly worse than UG
>>48239267
No, they just have different game plans
Why is /tg/ so fucking terrible at this game?
>>48239507
Because they're too much of an austist to just net deck a tier 1 modern deck. They prefer to be unique and edgy and brew some shitter tier 4 deck.
>>48239543
If you consider all the people who don't accomplish anything with their t1 decks doesn't it make you want to play whatever you want?
So, who's the retarded babby who made the algorithm for the dogshit shuffler on XMage? Where you have to put 30 lands in every deck just to avoid opening with only one every game.
>>48239686
Simulator shuffling is objectively more random than real life shuffling. What you are complaining about is variance, or wahhh land screw.
>>48239744
What I'm complaining about is still opening with 1 land in 2 mulligans despite having 30 of them in the main deck. It's not random, it's shit.
>>48239857
Do you know what random means?
>>48239411
Nah it's just worse.
>>48239923
Your birth was random, for example.
>>48235401
Works great in my friend's 8rack deck
>>48234969
Gerard Fabiano made a good bug deck. I replaced the jace aot with matter reshapes because I run a tight enough mana base. You also get access to thragtusk and counters so you'll never lose to burn.
Problem is the deck preys on twin amd you're trying to jund decks. So your deck is great against something banned and it's a worse jund deck than just jund
>>48239946
Faster doesn't mean better
>>48238864
Can you run thopter foundry to make me happy? It seems insane in a tron deck
modern merfolk yay or nay?
It seems a decent and on the cheap side of things deck to get into modern.
What are it's bad match ups? The good ones?
>>48237943
This.
I'll never understand why people feel so good about getting a swingy win and going 1-3 instead of just playing a decent deck and going 3-1.
>>48239507
>Why is /tg/ so fucking terrible at this game?
Youth is definitely in the equation.
>>48240426
Affinity = bad.
I haven't played it in a while, but always hated Vial-less openers. Love the Spreading Seas in the main. Also, Harbinger is pretty sweet.
Make sure you have a decent manabase. You'll want UU on turn 2 a lot.
>>48241092
cool to hear, so affinity is it's only bad match up? Sounds pretty good to me.
>>48241117
Ad Nauseam is borderline unwinnable for merfolk.
>>48241092
What makes Affinity to bad? Don't you have SS for the manlands and Hurkyls in the sb?
How is Dredge putting up so many 5-0 results? I thought you said once it became popular it would be a dead deck because it gets hated out so easily? It doesn't seem to be having any problem with consistency.
I'm a wannabe Spike and want the best deck for the money. So far it's Dredge or Boggles, with Boggles being the easiest to start budget and make better.
What's the cheapest Spike deck?
Are you guys testing Modern UW Spirits? How is it going?
>>48243166
Holy fuck dredge went nuts yesterday at lgs.
>yfw turn one neonate
>turn two casts two more neonates, vengevines
What the fuck kind of nazi line of play did this deck just produce.
>>48230494
Love it. In EDH, it's a sure thing, where it will slot nicely into my vintage singleton grixis storm list as remand number 2.
It might have some nice applications in cast trigger combos such as storm. (which is the reason it definitely belongs in vintage singleton storm).
In modern, it seems like a tossup between this and remand. But I'd probably go with remand each time, because the card draw is generally better.
If the creature is enough of a threat that you would need to bounce it, why not just remand it in the first place?
>>48243216
I wish I had that tg list from a while ago man.
So far it's a split between the new spirits + paths and counters (aka faeries), full tribal with jank, or jamming that new blue flicker.
Got sick of brewing it, I am however fairly stoked on my OC Nahiri Wins deck.
It's super shit but it can unfairly cheese your opponent from 5 different angles.
>>48231214
>forest
>2 simian spirit guides
>manamorphose
>allosaurus Rider
>2 elves
>draw eldritch Evolution, iona on turn 1.
Better buy up all the playsets you can as a magical christmas present to yourself.
>>48243273
The versatility of it is key in singletons, I think in modern though you'd rather go vapor snag or remand. I like that it stops uncounterables, maybe it could be secret sb deck for Young Peezy decks to stop supreme verdict
>>48243307
>land, mana elf (not that hard if you run lots)
>land, allosaur + evo, iona
...
>it's vs tron
>>48243166
>>48243230
It's only gonna get worse now that Collective Brutality exists
Hold on to your butts
>>48243307
>opponent starts
>picks up cards
>during his first turn upkeep, response
>cast two simian spirit guides
>cast nourishing shoal pitching worldspine
>splice desperate ritual onto shoal, then cast it
>manamorphose for UB
>izzet charm discarding grisselbrand
>goryos
>>48230494
>You were always good at disappearing acts.
>leaving Ravnica to play superhero
Fucking damn Lilly, way to tell it like it is. At least she knows how stupid the Gatewatch is
>>48243495
Honestly if somebody was ballsy enough to bank on drawing into goryos and griselbrand, and got it, I would concede the match.
Anyone else daydream in the shower or something about taking something like Mono-Green stompy to a SCG open and just demolishing the place with it? The commentators being skeptical at first but then losing their shit as I drop a double aspect of hydra onto an unblocked creature for game.
Maybe I'm just an autist.
>>48243166
The jews have grown TOO bold and TOO greedy.
>>48243432
HEY MEMERS.
HEARD YOU HAD A SHITTY FORMAT.
DON'T WORRY.
WE'RE HERE TO SAVE IT.
Woah woah when did wizards announce green sun was banned wtf?!
>>48244119
Apparently it's been banned for a while how did I never notice
>>48244187
Why did you think people were playing Chord of Calling instead
>>48244377
Now that you mention that yeah maybe I'm a bit out of touch
>>48243216
>>48243294
I think this is the list from a while back:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-04-16-CET-spirit-tribal/
Spirits got some new toys in EMN: Spell Queller, Mausoleum Wanderer and Nebelgast Herald, to name a few.
Really liking the look of Spell Queller + Mausoleum Wanderer, I'll definitely try them out. I doubt Spirits are suddenly going to be a good deck, but it should be a bit less shit.
>>48243925
If you think you can do it, then do it.
It's me, I'm back. Again.
Stop me if this is getting tiresome. I won't stop but it will be a nice gesture and exchange.
Here's my list. The theme is WR tokens. You guys have helped it come a long way and I thank you. Let's bash our heads together and give it another push
4 Purphoros, God of the Forge
1 Swamp
3 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
1 Mountain1
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Sacred Foundry
3 Godless Shrine
4 Arid Mesa
3 Boros Charm
3 Intangible Virtue
3 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Mogg War Marshal
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Lightning Helix
3 Secure the Wastes
3 Lingering Souls
3 Spectral Procession
3 Raise the Alarm
What I have in mind is a cheap to cost instant that gives either protection or cheap red token generator in place of virtue. It's a really nice card for BW tokens but it doesn't feel right here.
Also sideboard options. I will go with the general hate sideboard I usually play with BW tokens but what about some big creatures for when the SB board wipes and such?
Anyways thanks for your input this week guys.
>>48245211
Archangel of thune or maybe an inferno titan for the big guys.
>>48245211
spectral procession might be alot of white symbols for the deck
>>48243216
>>48243294
>>48244613
I actually was one of the main contributors to that particular list. Needless to say I was ectastic with the new Eldritch Moon spirits. Spell Queller in particular because you can put Phantasmal Image on the field at instant speed with Aether Vial to copy the Queller and exile another spell.
This is the latest iteration of my list:
Creatures: (23)
>Topplegeist x3
>Mausoleum Wanderer x3
>Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit x3
>Rattlechains x4
>Phantasmal Image x3
>Drogskol Captain x4
>Spell Queller x3
Enchantments: (3)
>Promise of Bunrei x3
Artifacts: (4)
>Aether Vial x4
Sorceries: (4)
>Lingering Souls x4
Instants: (6)
>Path to Exile x4
>Cryptic Command x2
The problem is that I can't seem to equilibrate card types to have Delirium and without it I don't know if Topplegeist is worth it. Its still good without it but locking something down with your one drop is pretty brutal.
>>48244187
It got banned because GW toolbox decks were shutting off shit like 12post(when it was legal) by tutoring up Gaddock Teeg and also getting a Dryad Arbor for x = 0. If GSZ was legal again Tron and Jund would get beaten down to tier 2.
>>48245349
I don't like Topplegeist, you need to build to reach Delirium. Something like Bonesplitter would be good, this deck is great to captalize on tempo.
>>48245745
If we're talking about turning on delirium, I saw some nice tech on MTG Salvation about Architects of Will counting as two types of card and allowing you to turn it on easily by turn 2
>>48239982
It does not. It ruins the entire ensnaring bridge plan.
>inb4 he's playing some shit pox list
>>48243925
Friend of mine used my stompy deck at fnm, got 3rd place. It's a good deck, I swear.
>>48240057
>Aggro: the gathering
>thinks faster isn't better
>>48240057
When you're playing a proactive deck that abuses the fact you need to deal half the damage everyone else does, yes it does. Also Blighted Agent + Spell pierce are objectively better than Funeral Charm and Phyrexian Crusader.
>>48246415
Says you
>>48246450
I've no reason to lie about objective facts.
>>48246495
I'm not saying you're lying
It's a matter of what you value in a deck. If you value speed the UG is better. If you value inevitability you want BG.
BG isn't worse or better. It doesn't fold to the same things UG does. It's just unexplored.
>>48246117
>T1 fetch, serum visions
>T2 land, cycle architects, topplegeist
Seems pretty good. Topplegeist with hexproof from Drogskol Captain is pretty silly against decks like Jund and Tron.
>>48247092
>Jund
Thoughtseize away your synergy.
>Tron
You think a slow 2/2 is good against the deck running 4 Pyroclasm and FUCKING UGIN?
>>48246212
Local meta hasn't been full aggro since Eye of Ugin ban, pox works well there
>>48247296
I just meant the tap effect would be good against decks that usually have one big creature, no need to sperg out on me.
Thoughtseize doing what Thoughtseize does is like the dies to removal argument - it falls flat if your cards are redundant or function well without the synergy. Tron decks these days run Lightning Bolt more than Pyroclasm, and Ugin is rarely more than a 2-of.
>go to a new store about 10 miles away from where I live
>see they have a few cards I want at a lower price than my regular shop has them at
>trade them a few cards and pay the difference to get what I want
>get a call the next day from the store owner saying that I didn't pay them enough and that I need to come back and make up the difference
should have priced your shit more accurately and hired better people idiotI'm not in the wrong here, am I?
>>48247528
>it falls flat if your cards are redundant or function well without the synergy
Not really. Knocking your opponent's curve off kilt is still a good play. Thoughtseize a Burn player T1, take the only creature in their hand, a Goblin Guide. The card wasn't redundant or synergistic, but their hand is now WAY weaker. It also lets you deal with nonlands you have no other way of dealing with. And besides, Drogskol Captain himself doesn't have keksproof.
>>48247296
You're right about both.
But Spirits should have a great Advantage against Jund because Hexproof and Spell Queller, it's only question of time.
Tron can be sided for spreading seas. A resolved Ugin is possibly the worst scenario, but it's not the end as the Vials stay and you can cast one or two ghosts on his end. Spectral Shepherd can protect everything as well.
>>48247544
Fuck no, no store can do that
>>48247544
>spoilers
In what other business would it be acceptable to call customers up later and ask them to pay more money for things they already bought?
Do you think Nahiri control is to stay as an enduring archetype? Or will it just fade away in a month or so?
I opened into 2 Nahiris and traded the other 2 for fun back when they were cheap and am now wondering if I should sell them or keep to build a deck eventuallywhen Arid Mesas tank ;_;
Also, any good viable it is to run 4 Gitaxian Probes in a mono G infect deck for thinning?
>>48247572
I know it's a good play, it's just not an argument against running any given card.
>>48247578
>>48247583
idk it was a fairly good deal for me
I think I came away with about 100 bucks worth of net profit
I hope the guy that made the transaction doesn't get fired
They did have me write down my Drivers License and phone number number though so now im a little spooked that this asshole is gonna keep pestering me to pay him until I do something about it
>>48247616
The argument against Drogskol Captain is that it's slow and doesn't get you anywhere.
>>48247624
Did you get a receipt?
>>48247624
>Phone trading standards
>Tell them a business keeps harassing you for money after a transaction was made
>????
>>48247661
It doesn't matter at this point. The business could try and claim theft but there wouldn't be a shred of evidence so the police would laugh at it. The worst they could do is ban a customer from the shop because an employee made a mistake.
>>48247661
yes
total transaction was about 350 and I kinda feel bad because they probably had cards mispriced due to not knowing what they were from some older sets.
Some cards were also not from MTG and were thus even harder to price correctly since they were from even older sets of said game and prices fluctuate from site to sit on the internet drastically
untimely my knowledge of the market was just more accurate than that of the owner/whoever prices their stuff and I made off like a bandit
I will probably have the number blocked if it keeps up but he has called me like 3 times and left about 4 messages.
>>48247716
There's nothing they can do legally, in fact you can probably just sue them if they keep pestering you about it
>>48247763
alright well I will just block the number then and never go back to that store
>>48247716
If they wont even check the price of cards before selling them it's their own damn fault.
If they seemed like really nice people and you like the shop you could give them the money, but they don't sound like nice people when they fucking call you and ask for money like that.
Keep the money.
>>48247806
if they were nice I wouldn't have ripped them off
I would have pointed out that the cards were most likely mispriced
they had a younger guy working there and an old lady
the old lady was bitchy and basically accused me of trying to steal stuff the instant I walked in because I had a bag with me that had a few of the things I was going to trade in it
she made me empty the bag like a TSA agent and then searched the damn thing for like hidden compartments or some shit
the guy was ok but was probably like 18 and had no idea what he was doing he just wanted to work at a store that sold video games/hobby stuff
thats why I hope he doesn't get fired but I hope they axe that old hag
Thank god the store that I normally go to is a place where literally everyone knows all the other people on a first name basis and we are all friends
even me and the store owner hang out for beers on the weekend sometimes
>>48247716
If they, let's say, sold you a card from set A priced cheaper as if it was from set B and you knew that you're technically not under an obligation to correct that mistaken belief.
Unless you chatted and you did something - especially using your knowledge of the market - to reinforce their belief that it was in fact from set B, then they may have an argument against you as it would be a misrepresentation. Otherwise you should be fine, law generally does not assist parties to escape a bad bargain unless there is dishonesty or inequality of bargaining power
>>48243216
reposting mine
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-haunted-house/
still experimenting with lots of things.
I feel like there's tons of potential in U/W(/x) spirits.
>>48247866
naa I was honest with my cards and goods for their value and I just chose not to say anything about the value of their stuff
>>48245211
4 Purph is too much as you cant stack them.
>>48247902
Then you're fine. If it's what you said, there is no basis on which they can vitiate the contract and/or retrospectively alter its terms.
There are still some far-fetched scenarios I can, for the sake of argument, imagine in which they can try to recover the cards back from you (like if the difference between prices was substantial and they go insolvent within next 2 years or so) but there is no sane way in the world that can happen.
More importantly, help me out fags: >>48247599
>>48247544
How did they get your number anyway?
>player calls me out on cockatrice for passing the turn from him to me then activating a fetch
>this same player played a swamp then returned it to his hand then played a dual land
hello?
>playing modern
t. legacy
>>48248106
Why not play on xmage so you don't have to sit through retarded shit like that?
>>48230341
I'm planning on building a Modern Zombie deck, question is should i go Dimir, Golgari, or say fuck it and go Sultai?
>>48248263
I haven't heard of it before, is the playerbase as large as cockatrices or just less retarded?
>>48248429
You can always find a game for modern and standard at least. The rules are enforced there so you don't have to worry about retards not knowing the rules or trying to cheat.
>Stupid me joined a eldritch moon draft tournament.
>I have no idea how to draft a proper deck. Any advice?
>>48248416
Sultri. Why limit yourself?
>>48248576
With my history of magic i've always had problems with mana for some stupid reason, so i've always limited myself to three colors.
So Sultai it is.
>>48248576
Not him, but a consistent mana base is pretty valuable. In just UB you can run Cryptic and not worry.
Finally got the cryptic.this time it's real!
Next piece is a Gemstone Cavern.
>>48248612
Get fetches and shocks. Never worry about mana again.
>>48249203
Is Jace's Ult your only wincon? I get the idea that playing against Taking Turns feels like a chore.
Hey guys, pitch your innovations for U/G Pili Pala
>>48249397
Waterveil is the main one, jace usually gets boarded out g2.
He's the alternate wincon vs things like lantern or melira combo, or if they happen to have a bunch of ghost quarters.
>>48249203you play in GA dont you
I've been wondering this for a while - I've played on and off since innistrad, I have a very sporadic collection.
I was wondering how you go about building decks from older blocks as a new player?
As in I'm currently playing a SoI delirium deck that I'm picking up heaps of cards for because me and my friends are drafting SoI - but if I wanted to build a m14 sliver deck I'd have to go back and buy singles from card websites yeah?
It just seems like it's too difficult because I don't really know what I'm doing as far as deckbuilding goes.
>>48237705
Nigger are you retarded
Natural Order is a card you know
boys do I buy into Merfolk?
>>48249975
Personally I hate the deck and would recommend anything else. However, it is a good deck and from what I hear fun too. So go ahead, but I'll hate you and your kin for generations to come.
>>48249780
Its pretty much netdeck on cockatrice until you find something that clicks with you then shell out a ridiculous amount of money for the pieces. Either that or buy fakes of staples pieces and spend money on the rest.
>>48249975
Do you want to play Merfolk?
>>48247599
It will stay around. UWR decks(control, ascendancy combo, delver, nahiri etc.) have been an established archetype for a while.
>Also, any good viable it is to run 4 Gitaxian Probes in a mono G infect deck for thinning?
I guess, you're really only going to use it to see if the coast is clear so why not.
I got a story where a friend of mine was was telling me how back when he was in Singapore before I knew him he had a friend who ran a 64 card deck at a GP with the 4 extra cards being G probes because according to his friend "it's a free card! You can't go wrong with it! It can go in any deck!" And then the guy proceeds to top 8 the GP.
>>48249203
Try Jace, Vryn's Prodigy. He flashes back time walks and is a win con with his emblem.
>>48250905
Had him online, he's a bit pricey but imo he's so powerful in so many ways. Worst case he's a blocker, but if I do get one I'd use him in the sideboard since g2 they would take out all the removal (besides maybe path) and he would have free reign. Or tank a bolt, at least.
I just don't want them to have active terminates g1 because he's a magnet as is, and beleren looks like a mine so he's pretty dank.
As far as jace kills go, minijace ult is by far the more painful to go through.
>>48233907
>best format
Those links make no mention of EDH.
>>48247574
>great advantage against Jund because of temporary hexproof and oblivion ring for spells.
Yeah alright, truth of it is you're a dek that plays like maybe 1 or 2 dudes a turn that all did to every removal spell in Jund and the Spell Queller will usually be awkward as it's mid-to late game and will eat a removal spell eventually. Plus how do you beat Raging Ravine? Race it? What about turn 2 or 3 Goyf?
>>48248263
I'm retarded, I have Xmage downloaded but I can't for the life of me figure out how to get it to run.
Pls help anon-kun I am technologically illiterate.
>>48251496
>>/g/
they're tech support
>>48249975
Only if you like it. A lot of the cards arent interchangeable with other decks so it will be harder to get into another deck if you dont like it.
>>48250189
lmao
>>48250500
I do. I sleeved up the proxies and played some games with others at my LGS. It's tons of fun.
>>48252192
What decks have the most interchangeable cards? If I'm gonna be spending big bucks on singles might as well get some that I can play in multiple decks. You do have a point there.
If a player concedes by saying good game and handshake then realizes that they can still win, do they lose?
>>48252548
Yes. It's really fucking pathetic, but they conceded.
>>48243495
What is the point? To put grisselbrand into the GY?
>>48252916
draw 35, hit another shoal+worldspine, lightning storm for lethal on turn 0.
>>48252950
So how did you start the game with >7 cards?
>>48253012
You draw 3 from izzet+manamorphose
does dredgevine just instant lose to grafdigger or tormods? i really wanna build the deck but i hate the idea of losing on the spot to one card
>>48253348
ancient grudge/ray of revelation is a must.
>>48233654
Ssshh, let the meme deck die already. I want a set of cheap Glittering Wish anon.
>>48253469
It probably won't get any lower than 6 dollars because muh price memory.
>>48250262
Is it possible to use magic duels for the same purpose?
>>48244074
>>48243432
>>48243166
>dredge players
>>48253990
I don't actually play modern, why is Dredge so hated and considered Nazis? Also asking about Legacy Dredge.How does landless dredge exist too?
>>48249203
Remember playing against this deck at the GP. Shit was intense, but in the end I was able to beat him because he fizzled his combo on game 2.
So im going to chinaman to print me out a deck. Whats the best, most overpowered, but most EXPENSIVE deck out there right now? I want to get my money's worth.
>>48249203
This deck just makes me think of the tellling time flavor text
>>48254728
Jund is the most expensive deck but it's not overpowered.
There's no such thing as an overpowered deck in the meta at the moment
>>48254050
rituals, spirit guides and 0cmc artifacts.
>>48254764
i cut it from the list :(
if you run 4 temporal mastery I highly recommend a telling time, the wombo is so nice
>>48254776
The flavor win is so nice too
>start fucking with time
>its about telling time what to do kid nothing personal
>dunk them
If only you could make room for a bolas or teferi
>>48254766
Ok then what aboutvintage?
>>48254820
Ask the vintage general
>>48254806
It feels so nice if you're holding remand too. You just hold onto two mana and if nothing happens you anticipate and then get a free turn after.
I cut it for another gigadrowse, it feels better vs aggro imo
>>48230341
Can someone explain to me the difference between how a card with vanishing plays, in comparison to a card with fading?
Noob question:
If a target creature gets exiled, what happens if that creature gets sacrificed?
Would it go to graveyard and then being exiled or would it be exiled and then go to the graveyard?
>>48255078
A creature with vanishing dies when the last counter is removed, fading when you can't remove any more counters.
>>48255132
Assuming you sacrifice it in response to whatever is exiling it goes on the stack, it goes to the graveyard and whatever effect is trying to exile it fizzles.
>>48255394
Ah. Gotcha. Thanks. That does make a difference.
>>48254847
Vintage is the most balanced it's ever been. In fact, it might actually be the most diverse and balanced of any format right now.
>>48234969
I've been there, I think.
Yellow Submarine in Akihabara?
>>48255561
Isn't it just "every deck is degenerate so no deck is: the format"?
>>48255774
Pretty much, though the most popular deck right now is Gush Mentor, which is probably the least degenerate deck of them all. Just your standard Blue Permission deck with a single threat to end the game.
It's pretty interesting that mechanics which Wizards calls degenerate, unfair, and broken are actually kept pretty well in check in Vintage. Dredge occasionally pops up, then get's hated way the fuck out. Storm has a lot of weaknesses inherently since while something like Chalice for 1 against a Mentor deck is rough, against Storm it's almost a scoop if the Shops/Eldrazi player has a threat to drop alongside the Chalice.
Oath is always a player because decks which play creatures always exist, but at least in my experience, it's inconsistent as all hell.
>>48255405
so if I cast Path to Exile on Viscera Seer, sac Viscera Seer, I scry (which doesn't matter), put Viscera Seer to my graveyard, get a land, and shuffles my deck?
Or does the Path to Exile not resolve at all and the land doesn't appear?
>>48251496
I don't remember how I did. Can't you just start the launcher and then click launch client?
Otherwise check a tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2agdX5OZTc
>>48255966
Path to Exile targets Viscera Seer. But since you sacced it Path no longer has a target and fizzles.
So to spell it out: Viscera Seer stays in the graveyard and you don't get to fetch a land.
>>48256022
okay... makes sense...
thank you
>>48256033
>608.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s no longer in the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal
>The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal
Bumping by stating that Dredge is a surprisingly good deck now. The gameplan can be so simple: Loam Dredge spam while you build a small army of Narcos/Ghasts/Amalgams and then Conflagrate to either boardwipe youe opponent or kill him.
And yeah hate sucks.
>>48245349
hey there, im working on a spirits deck as well, but I intend to play it with my kitchentable group of friends, would you or anyone intrested mind taking a look at it?
here is the list:
4 Drogskol Captain
3 Windborn Muse
1 Brago, King Eternal
2 Dungeon Geists
2 Always Watching
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Mana Leak
2 Clash of Wills
4 Azorius Chancery
1 Steel of the Godhead
4 Rattlechains
9 Island
7 Plains
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
2 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Ojutai's Command
2 Detention Sphere
2 Spell Queller
in particular, do I still run 24 lands if my curve is that low? should i even play brago and steel of the godhead?
thanks in advance.
>>48258359
its kind of budget concerning optimal lands and such, but everyone elses deck is the same, so its fair, its more about what spells do i play/not play.
>>48254050
because you are literally playing solitare.You are able to interact with other combo deck with counter spells and discard. Dredge doesnt really care. The only interaction you have is playing your hate card against them.
Bulding a Dredge deck here, what does Dredge have against leyline of the void? I feel as if that really kills the deck. Modern of course
>>48259861
Levy's lists have historically ran Ray of Revelation to counteract Rest in Peace. I guess that would be good if you have a light W splash
>>48260011
I'd rather just run Wispmare at that point. Which is incidentally the best anti-enchantment tech you can run in Modern.
>>48260255
Sure but Wispmare is useless if you happen to dredge it. Ray of Revelation isn't.
>>48230341
>>Playing?
infect
>>Brewing/Tweaking?
nothign
>>Next MTG purchase?
kiki ,resto angels and chords
>>Top 3 Modern relevant EMN cards?
eldritch evo, dat tree , salty fishman
>>48251485
I plan outpacing them. The deck also carries removal and counters.
They are eficient evasive beaters pasted on protection, that leaves slots for control.
>>48247574
Honestly, just build it and take it to FNM. If you won't build it, you agree that it's bad.
>>48261284
So discard your hand to lower the cost? New to the game, but can you overkill it to discard more then two?
>>48261362
Discard your cards to lower the cost, then when you control their turn, discard their hand to secure the win.
Also, not a bad beater.
>>48261384
In response to the cast trigger I'll counter Emrakul, then Bolt the Prowler.
>>48261466
Okay.
Hmm. Peppersmoke is also a good card. I think Emrakul's faeries might be a thing in modern.
>>48261384
So what it is is:
>Discard 1 card at least so Prowler stays
>Emerkul
>Discard hand, act like a Timmy with a few too many, win.
>>48261479
Why would Emrakul magically make a bad tribe viable? Why in the shit do you think discarding your hand is going to win you the game? You'd need 8 card types in the yard just to make Emrakul cost 5, and lots of decks can have you dead by that point anyway. What, are you gonna run Gifts to get 5 types in the yard in one go? Bitterblossom is 2 types, Dryad Arbor is 2, Courser of Kruphix is 2. But holy shit your deck would be far worse than UB Faeries could dream of.
Welcome to Modern General, where people take a beater that's well above the curve and do things with it that don't involve beating their opponent to death.
>>48261535
Okay.
Bitterblossom is an obvious include. Dryad Arbor could work I guess. I don't really want courser of kruphix.
I'm thinking a typical faerie shell filled with control elements. Demonic Collusion might be worth looking at too, now that I think about it
>>48261569
Why not do both?
>>48261598
2 game plans is a much worse deck than 1 game plan. Jace's Phantasm is the perfect example of what I mean. It's a huge beater when you're milling your opponent. But if you're milling your opponent, what do you need huge beaters for? If the Phantasm was more mill, you'd be more likely to win by mill. If the mill was more creatures you'd be more likely to win through beatdowns.
If your opponent removed Prowler in response to Emrakul's cast trigger, you'd probably just lose.
>>48261726
?
You still get to take their turn anon. That's a backbreaking effect all its own.
The prowler is just a card that synergizes at all levels of play with emrakul.
>>48260011
Here's my current list that I'm going to put together. I run no white but I do have fetches and shocks to throw in if it's that necessary. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-07-16-dFB-dredge/
>>48261759
Why bother trying to force Emrakul to work? How about instead of discarding a fuck ton of cards to cast Emrakul, you just cast Thoughtseize and fuck their hand up with relying on your own little game plan? And bear in mind that the trigger might not even do anything. Against fast decks they probably won't have a hand left at that point anyway. And if they have a hand full of permanents, what then? Are you going to cast them for them? No you're going to sit there and chalk it up to a bad matchup to protect your game plan's legitimacy.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12971&d=275630&f=MO
Traditional UB Faeries actually made top 8 at an SCG event last weekend.
Posting UBr Tezzerator again for feedback.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-07-16-ub-tezzerator/
>>48262892
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-07-16-ub-tezzerator/
Do you really feel you need 3 Damnations? That's about the only thing that I don't like. I'm a fan of 1 maindeck Pithing Needle as well. Being able to Reshape for Needle is pretty clutch a lot of the time.
>>48263495
I've been running into a lot of GWx decks that go wide where it's been good, I could go down to 2 and swap a Pithing Needle for it in the sb. Qasali Pridemage and Scooze can be hard to beat but I've noticed a lot if people don't understand how the combo works and I get to bait out removal with a Sword then play Foundry, sac a Darksteel or Talisman and go off.
>>48263495
It's also been my deepest desire to run some number of Wildfire and jam some Signets in to shore up my mana, but I'm not sure about that.
Im gonna jam new'mrakul in temur traverse.
is there a site where you can get a proxy deck for a small amount + shipping? i like some decks but i dont wanna invest a ton into them before i know if i like how they play out
