Custom Commander Edition
>RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>CARD SEARCHING
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info
Topic of discussion: Custom Commandersoftware? What is your opinion of them? Does your group allow them? Have you ever used one? How was it? Has anyone in your playgroup used any? How did that go? Is there any custom Commander you would use that you have seen or made?
Those custom commanders are really sweet. I especially like the RWB one - maybe because it's competition is really shit atm
>>48211049
I don't think you need to specify "aren't on the battlefield" in the fourth one.
>>48211049
the temur guy seems pointless as hell, also not sure you can "reveal" a card from an already revealed zone, only from your hand or library
>>48211049
Those commanders are pretty awesome. They don't look too overpowered, and they look really interesting to play. I'd totally make a deck around Hallos, or Vairn especially - he seems like everything I'd want in a commander!
As for the questions:
>What is your opinion of Custom Commanders?
I think custom commanders are pretty cool, if done right. Some people either get the templating super wrong, or have abilities that are absurdly overpowered or off colour, which is annoying. But, done correctly, and obviously pitched to your playgroup beforehand, they could be awesome!
>What is your opinion of them?
I've never asked my playgroup if they'd let me use one, and nobody else has asked. I don't know what their answer would be.
>Is there any custom Commander you would use that you have seen or made?
I'd totally use Vairn, and love him forever. I've seen a few other custom commanders that would seem interesting, but I never saved them.
>>48211049
>playing with custom cards
>>48211049
Thos cards look like shit desu. Anyways I got one of the promo cards with 3 packs today. Got a foil blind obedience so my question is am I only able to use it in decks with w/b?
>>48211480
Extort has it's W/B hybrid symbol in its reminder text, which technically isn't considered part of the rules text for the card. So you can use Blind Obedience in a mono-white deck.
>>48211049
Do I build Grenzo as RB weenie fetcher or do I get big guys with him? What are the staples for Grenzo?
>>48211520
>Mono white
But that's good to know. Gonna use it in my WU deck
>>48211049
>that Temur general
Temur needs more commanders to be honest
>What is your opinion of them?
If it's balanced and good, why the hell not?
>Have you ever used one?
Haven't asked.
>>48211049
>that fucking WBG commander
Jesus christ on a platter that's the most broken shit. Please tell me that's the one you picked. The only one even close is the mardu one.
>>48211389
I don't see the issue as long as everyone in your playgroup is doing it and have agreed to the power level of the other cards being played.
If you're not forcing your shit anime cards on strangers at your local shop, then where's the issue?
>>48211049
All your customs are shit.
>>48211049
>That Sultai Commander
>Manifest it
>Not just return it to the battlefield face-down
I can't wait for the quad color commanders.
>>48211049
All custom cards
>Hey, what color should this be? I know. All of them.
>Do I need to make sure the color identity is well represented in the rest of the card? Nawwwww.
>Is this insanely broken within five minutes of brewing? Iunno, print it, let's find out.
>What's formatting?
So I just learned about this card, and I really like it. Seems pretty good for the cost, and I happen to have a naya deck to put it in. Explain to me why I am wrong.
>>48214119
Not instant speed, reversible
>>48214119
There's nothing wrong with it. Its a decent temp removal card
>>48214119
Cant get it with sunforger
>>48211049
Those are actually old versions.
>>48213917
Manifesting them allows you to turn them face up by paying their mana cost instead of turning them face up forcefully with the triggered ability if you need to.
>>48214490
All green legends should have a generic mana cost, because they are green. Also boggles arent black or white at all so why is there a junk boggle?
Dalus should make all creatures you control elementals in addition to their other types for flavor
varin doesnt even make sense, it should be more logically worded
"When a creature you control dies, return that creature to the battlefield face down. (They're 2/2 creatures.) This wording removes tokens from the game without being pants on head retarded.
>>48211206
>also not sure you can "reveal" a card from an already revealed zone, only from your hand or library
You can. It's like how you can reveal a card from your hand even if your hand is already being revealed thanks to Telepathy or reveal the top card of your library when you have Future Sight.
There's technically nothing in the comp rules associated defining where a card can be revealed from, so it's only limited to any zone you are instructed to reveal from or any zone you can activate the ability from.
>>48214656
>Also boggles arent black or white at all so why is there a junk boggle?
Are you saying Hexproof is all it takes to be a Bogle?
>varin doesnt even make sense, it should be more logically worded
What is there about it that doesn't make sense?
"Manifest" just means "Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature", so it technically just reads "Whenever a nontoken face-up creature you control dies, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature."
You can turn manifested face up as a special action by paying their mana cost, so it's functionally different too.
>>48211529
Get stuff like Junktroller, Tel-Jilad Stylus, and stuff to order your library's bottom. He tends to be built as either Goblin Tribal or Weenies.
>>48214119
Worse than swords to ploughshares in a format where life is meaningless.
But then, newsflash, most removal is worse than 1 mana instant speed exile based removal, so who cares
>>48211049
Going with the topics:
>What is your opinion of them?
I like looking at custom cards in general. I think custom cards are acceptable to use if everyone in the playgroup is using custom cards, and only using them against custom cards.
>Does your group allow them?
No. I have brought up the idea before since our meta is getting stale, but no one seems interested.
>Is there any custom Commander you would use that you have seen or made?
Not that I can think of off-hand.
>>48214762
You dont even need the non token wording, tokens fizzle when they hit the graveyard, you can keep the manifest crap on there but you are being overly wordy with a card for no reason.
>>48214656
>When a creature you control dies, return that creature to the battlefield face down.
You need to touch up your templating. "When" is only used if the condition is expected to happen once, like a permanent entering the battlefield. It should be "whenever". You don't say "return that creature", because by the time it's in the graveyard it isn't a "creature" anymore, it's a "creature card". You say "return that card".
Some cards like to specify nontoken even when it would make zero difference, because that makes things clearer to players. See Nim Deathmantle for an example. If a creature died and you could use Nim Deathmantle's triggered ability, you wouldn't get it back either way, but they put "nontoken" on it so people wouldn't try to do it.
>>48214865
>you are being overly wordy with a card for no reason
It's just minimizing unnecessary triggers and making things more obvious to inexperienced players. That's just how Magic rules text is nowadays, and besides, you're saying it's "overly wordy" for one word.
What a fucking waste of an EDHG
You have your own containment thread
>>48206995
>>48211389
I've been thinking of doing an edh league (starting pauper then moving up from there) where your general is a custom legend that you get to build off of a chart with X points. As you progress through the league you get more points....the only problem is that i'm having trouble with pricing things
>>48214119
High-tier decks run too many non-basics to use it reliably. But if your deck isn't super-high budget, it can be pretty good.
>>48215176
>non-basics
A ton of those non-basics are just fetches that are grabbing a Mountain you could use anyway.
>>48215176
>there are people who don't have at least 4 basic lands in a deck
>>48215387
>>48215211
In, say, a three-colored deck, you'll need to have both a card to grab a basic mountain, plus this card. Yes, you'll have a mountain more often than not... But there'll still be times when you don't, and you want your removal to always be active. Enough hoops to jump through, and sooner or later Journey to Nowhere will ends up being better value. Hell, Journey To Nowhere is arguably better anyway; it costs one more mana, but isn't vulnerable to land destruction.
>>48214656
>All green legends should have a generic mana cost, because they are green.
Hahaha, good one.
>Also boggles arent black or white at all so why is there a junk boggle?
Ah shit, are you retarded?
>varin doesnt even make sense, it should be more logically worded
>"When a creature you control dies, return that creature to the battlefield face down. (They're 2/2 creatures.)
Oh damn, you are retarded. Sorry about that.
When are we getting more cards (helpful, supporting ones hopefully) for all the smaller tribes? I want my fucking myr deck and I don't want those gross changelings in it! Also skeletons and those poor fucking samurai.
>>48215522
You do realise that sacred foundry is a mountain right?
>>48215930
There will still be times when you have this card in hand but not something that will fetch it.
Admittedly, my experience comes largely from decks where the people involved were willing to buy whatever cards they needed... that were below twenty dollars. So mana bases more expensive than normal for casual players, but no non-basic mountains other than Madblind.
Having thought on it, the real reason for the lack of play is probably because it's vulnerable to two different types of removal instead of just one.
>haven't played in weeks
>overwhelming urge to build something
>no fucking idea what to build
H E L P
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>>48211049
God damn, Sevros would be crazy. Instant speed Wraths? Jeskai Stax would be fucking nuts
>packing that with a Numot and Shu Yun in the 99
>obliterate mana bases left and right
Yes please
>>48216249
Build a rare tribal deck. Cheap, fun, and janky. Do eet.
>>48216307
>rare tribal
What, everything at Rare or Mythic? That's a silly idea
Maybe Mazirek bugs tribal
>>48215813
Skeletons are the biggest bitch tribe that they still bother printing, and now their signature ability isn't being done anymore. I feel sorry for my skelebros.
How do we feel about Future Sight? I see more and more lists running the card and I've run it myself a few times but without top deck manipulation it doesn't seem -as good- as I want it to be.
Disclaimer: Yes, I know how powerful playing lands and cards directly from the top of your deck is, I've just run into the problem of running into multiple lands with the card.
Maybe I should just succumb to UG so I can run Future Sight AND Exploration effects.
>>48216329
I assume they mean "rare" tribal as in not shit like Humans, Zombies or Elves.
>>48216569
It is a powerful card advantage machine if your playgroup doesn't have a lot of ways to remove enchantments, but otherwise it is expensive and fragile and has the chance to whiff like you mentioned. It is very good if you run cantrips and top though, plus combos with a lot of things
>>48215387
but then how will my hermit druid mill my entire library?
>>48216618
So, under-supported tribes like Myr?
>>48216840
He did say "janky", yeah.
>>48214490
I'm in love with this Dalus.
The return to hand clause at the end sounds like a disadvantage at first, but it's actually amazing if you flip a noncreature, and it manages to feel like all of its colors even with such a simple effect.
>>48216569
>I've just run into the problem of running into multiple lands with the card.
draw the card if it's a land.
I need some help, /tg/. I've almost finished working on the deck I've always wanted ever sense i first started playing magic: full colorless EDH. However, i am 20 cards over limit and need some help. I just love brown too much and cutting cards at this point is painful. I want the deck to succeed, so any feedback is appreciated but most of all i need suggestions as to what to cut. Thanks.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/distortion-command-full-possible-list-deck-work/
>guy rolls in with a deck worth like $3k
>talks mad shit about its powerlevel and how it's almost never lost
>your jank deck worth less than a tenth of his gets online immediately and skullfucks him
There is no better feeling
>>48217863
i get this with my newzuri deck so much
people forget just how much insane synergy it has and suddenly they're staring down a 23/23 unblockable hexproof ezuri
>>48217899
Doesn't Ezuri 2.0 boost other creatures?
Also he's usually a huge target when a deck with him shows up in my group?
>>48217928
you get experience counters when you cast creatures with power 2 or less, and when combat begins, you put +1/+1 counters on a creature equal to the experience counters
he either gets absolutely rekt or moves too fast to be able to be dealt with
there have been a couple times where someone totally underestimates it and then they lose by like turn 6
>>48217988
Nigga re-read his second triggered ability and come at me with that shit again
>>48218029
are you getting asshurt because i didn't write the "on your turn" part
dude calm down
>>48218076
No, because you didn't put "another"
You can't boost UG Ezuri with his own ability
I'm building a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck where I damage into big beaters. Anyone have any good suggestions for me to play. I know the Eldrazi bombs are good, but I'm looking for other killer cards to ramp out with Rakdos.
>>48218090
shit
dude i can't fucking read and neither can anybody else fuck
shit
I'm trying to use the gatherer link frm the op to look up Jund artifact/enchantment destruction (other than decimate and hull breach). which filter option is for 'destroy' 'artifact' and 'enchantment' ?
>>48218111
Not the other Anon, but you have a creature in the precon pack that lets you move counters to other creatures, just to get around this.
Also, if you're not running sage of hours do so!
>>48218132
Here's a list. Don't forget that Krosan Grip is the best.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=ci%3AGRB+o%3Adestroy+o%3Aartifact+o%3Aenchantment&v=card&s=cname
Anyone have any recs for an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck?
>>48218162
dude sage of hours is my shit
i took that other dude out forever ago because not enough value
looks like i'll go back to pumping invisible stalker forever then
>>48218187
99 Basic Forests
>>48217928
>playing newzuri instead of master elfball race swagzuri
>>48218176
Thanks bae.
>>48218213
>not Borborygmos Enraged
>>48218250
He's playing the monogreen Omnanth
>>48218187
Forgot link
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-06-16-BVv-omnath-edh/
>>48218264
I meant the strategy of using only lands is more suited towards Borborygmos than Omnath
>>48218293
Ah gotcha.
What's your favorite commander, /tg/?
>>48218316
Godo
![Mikaeus-the-Unhallowed[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w3vaBDW.jpg "Mikaeus-the-Unhallowed[1].jpg")
>>48218316
Only the best for me.
Daretti is runner up.
>>48218316
Mai Waifu
>>48211049
Well...
This was my take on a five-colored Ally Commander, before Tazri was revealed.
Go to EDHRec and hit random. Whoever comes up is your next commander.
>>48218369
Tell me about Braids. Why does she where the braids?
![194[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CA4oQdr.jpg "194[1].jpg")
>>48218316
I fucking love artifacts.
>>48218385
...Tamanoa.
EDHRec's added some new features, it seems.
>>48218386
Well when she, Lorthos the freshmaker, and Tromokrasis hang out what else are they going to do?
>>48218385
God dammit
>>48218385
Let me stop you right there. I'm gonna have to refuse.
>>48218434
Dude, look how broken that commander is. 6 hits and you kill an opponent!
>>48218434
>not building Good Art Tribal with that at the helm
>>48218385
This is going to be fucking sweet.
>>48218385
Well, it's been fun, guys, but it looks like I'm quitting EDH.
>>48218420
That second ability is actually pretty sick in a reanimator deck.
>>48218455
i cri evry tiem
>>48218420
>>48218475
He's one of the three commanders people run apostles with, for that very reason (The other two being Shizo and Athreos).
>>48218385
B I G B L U E
A
B
Y
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/malfegor-gets-crazy/
Critique my Malfegor deck plz
hey /tg/ I am having trouble with deciding on a deck.
I am trying to build Jenara, Asura of War.
Do I go Enchantress? +1/+1 shenanigans? Bant Angels? Bant goodstuff?
Also what is the opinion on Privileged Position in a non enchantress deck? Is it a waste of a card slot or is it still good enough for being a better asceticism?
Should both asceticism and Privileged go in the same deck or just one?
I am very lost right now.
![291[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g85WADi.jpg "291[1].jpg")
>>48218385
>his
Are you sure?
What is this, Trap Tribal?
>>48218385
Could be much worse.
>>48218420
Is he B/R for identity or just mono black?
>>48218505
God, Kamigawa had some fucking crazy art.
>>48218611
Mono-B, since no red mana symbols in his rules text
>>48218611
Black. Color identity is only mana symbols, not color words.
>>48218611
Mono black. He needs a red mana symbol or a red color reminder to be BR
>>48218636
>>48218642
That's pretty gay imo, thanks though
>>48218678
>That's pretty gay imo
>>48218678
Well keep in mind that EDH is a casual format, so if your group is fine letting you run red cards with him, more power to you.
>>48218505
Does MaRo weep in sorrow when he sees this card because of the color pie, or does he weep in joy because it's blue?
How do I convince my group of friends to adopt the Vancouver mulligan?
>>48218835
My group just uses the honor system mulligan, where you shuffle and draw a new 7 until you have a playable hand. So far no one's abused it, and it's more fun when everyone starts with the same resources.
>>48211049
People have been telling me this is a bad idea for a commander. I want you guys to tell me TWO (2) reasons why.
Yeah, i know you guys can't. It's literally perfect.
>>48218890
...Huh. The new Madness cards in SoI give him a lot of new toys, don't they?
>>48218766
I think Kamigawa is far enough back that you get the "We didn't know what we were doing and I wasn't in a position to make those decisions" kind of lines. Maro wasn't a part of Betrayer's teams.
>>48218890
First offense, he's Black Red.
Second offense, the cards in your hand should be worth more on average than edicts if your deck is built properly.
Third offense, his effect gets shit on by tokens of any sort.
>>48216343
I just want skeletons to work better q.q
They are all I ever wanted and magic hates them. Sad days.
Would Avacyn or Ulamog be better as a top end bomb in Daxos pillowfort?
>>48219030
Ulamog can actually end games. Avacyn turns your pillowfort into a pillowfortress
>>48219052
Next question: Ceaseless Hunger or Infinite Gyre?
>>48219070
I like Infinite Gyre more in EDH, but it does come down a turn later, which could be something to consider.
>>48219070
People can survive losing permanents.
Far fewer people can survive losing their library.
Tell me why I should build this deck
>>48219230
You probably shouldn't.
>>48219230
You really shouldn't especially since this baller does kaervek's job better
>>48219230
Having him and Ruric Thar out would be hillarious.
>>48218984
>he's Black
you fucking Racist.
>>48219249
I've seen people say Mogis is a good commander, but I'm having trouble seeing it. Is the 2 damage that tilting?
>>48218984
black and red doesn't really have an issue with offense. About the cards in hand, they will be just as useful in the graveyard, except maybe for one or two. Also, i think you're forgetting he makes EVERY opponent sacrifice. One guy based on token, we can control in other ways. But i doubt every opponent will do that. Every time he enters the game, Malfegor will make a huge impact, which is more than we can say for most commanders.
>>48219070
Ceaseless also eats two permanents when cast too.
>>48218316
>see
>>48218355
>>48219398
probably retards who think the two damage counts towards commander damage
>>48219398
He's a 4 mana indestructible creature with just enough power to 3-hit Commander Damage. Getting devotion isn't hard with cards like Underworld Dreams, Phyrexian Arena, or Grave Pact.
>>48218316
>>48219502
Ah okay. 7 power for a 4 mana indestructible is solid I agree.
>>48218385
>Wydwen, the Biting Gale
Fuck, I guess I can have oona in the 99.
So what are your hopes/fears for the four color commanders wizards will release?
>>48219568
That the WUBG one will be an Enchantress Commander.
Can you get a prerelease box and just leave? I want some prerelease shit but I won't have time to actually play.
>>48219617
You can, but it isn't worth the money. Why no just go to a daytime prerelease?
>>48219616
>implying enchantments can have nice things
The red-headed step child of permanent types
>>48218586
.... That actually looks fun, sort of.
>>48211049
Speaking of custom commanders, does anybody have any werewolf commanders that are good yet balanced?
>>48219649
Well someone at the table will be having fun. Maybe.
>>48219568
I want the RUBG commander to be compatible with 4 color eldrazi
thats pretty much it
>>48219664
Ruric Thar seems to be the popular choice.
>>48219568
Hoping for balanced new commanders, fun new mechanics, and neat new sub-commanders like Feldon and Titania from 2014.
I fear that the mana bases will be wack, and the cards won't accurately reflect their colors. Wizards is worse than the custom threads when it comes to that.
>>48218316
>>48219502
This guy gets it, also the deck tends to run either very staxy or group sluggy
>>48218385
I'm.. Uh... Not spending 54 dollars for this.
>>48219814
It's weird she didn't make it into the FtV.
>>48219814
She's so good though. Run the Spike-lite version of it instead
Any rat deck players? Is it actually fun?
>>48219910
Rats are the best tribe.
>>48219910
Flipping your entire deck onto the field with Thrumming Stone and then giving all your rats haste with Mogis's Marauder is fun, yes.
>>48218316
It's either Zada or Yeva. Zada has some ridiculous interactions, but flashing in a Pathbreaker Ibex EOT with a Heroes' Bane out is orgasmic.
>>48218385
My meta already has a dragon tribal, and dragon tribal is extremely overdone anyhow. I have Oloro control, and Teferi Stax. How would I make this feel unique /tg/?
>>48220028
Xenograft effects, infect, and evasive 1/1s
Well this is something. What do I do with it?
>>48218316
Talrand, I'm a poorfag and he has given me many awesome and fun games, will never lose love for the Drake Masta!
How is this card not banned?
Jesus christ.
>>48220223
It costs $150, that's why.
Sheldon only bans cards that are easy on the wallet.
>>48220058
Hope it's in the bottom 50.
>>48220229
It cost 0.22 on mtgo.
How to beat Avacyn as Daretti? I don't have karn. 99% of my answers to things say "destroy" or "damage"
>>48220268
warp world
>>48220279
True, that will fuck their board up, but it won't deal with avacyn if they get 8 lands.
>>48220268
Chaos Warp.
Liquimetal Coating and Into the Core.
Hell, Liquimetal Coating and Hellkite Tyrant is some obnoxious shit for pretty cheap.
Is it a stupid idea to put master of cruelties in sedris?
>>48220268blow up her lands before she hits 9 mana
How many "lose the game" cards are there, either for yourself or an opponent? I kind of want to make a deck based around it.
is this man the hero white needs, edhg?
>protects against any boardwipes
>deals with tokens and counters
>completely slaughters voltron
>fogs
>can be used politically
>you can get it with a ranger of eos
>reuses all your flickers (including the aforementioned ranger of eos)
>if your leonin relic warder has exiled an aura, you can use it to make the aura die and exile something better
>>48220372
All of the pacts and door to nothingness off the top of my head.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Alose+o%3Athe+o%3Agame&v=card&s=cname
>Want to build a deck around a custom commander.
>Not sure if my store's playgroup would be cool with that because some people might say "YOU MADE THE COMMANDER TO BE BROKEN!" if I win ever.
>>48220833
oh my god
>>48220929
I wouldn't without making it first and asking if it's ok, and even then maybe not. The first time you win a game someone will accuse it of being broken.
>>48220970
Banned unfortunately.. or fortunately, however you want to look at it.
>>48221233
I was mostly just looking at the art.WE
>>48221255
Oh fuck I didn't even pay attention to that.
DINDU!
>>48214787
>Life is meaningless
Brion Stoutarm slays otherwise
>>48218316
Pic related
>>48219093
>implying you drop one land a turn he comes out a turn later , but most of the time you just ramp as hard into mana rocking him into the field turn 4 or 5. I have infinite gyre edh, incredibly painful eating board states early in the game, but ceaseless exiling libraries is incredibly satisfying, especially to mono black.
Watching combo pieces just slipping into exile, magnifico. For extra fun, put elsrazi conscription on ceaseless.
I'm going to run new emrakul at the helm soon, should I wait for her to drop to 10$? How much do you think the foil will go for?
>>48218385
Life is misery
>>48218385
If I go shadowborne apostles with this guy, how many apostles to demons do I run?
>>48211049
All of these commanders are garbage
>>48218385
I would LOVE to see this girl in action.
I think I'd keep a little notepad with the names of all the utility creatures she guns down in it.
>>48214965
fucking second
This thread triggers me
>>48216300
You can't be serious
>>48216840
Try Phyrexian
You'll be sorely disappointed, but your deck will look cool
>>48217196
>I just love brown too much
>>48218316
Sheoldred
>>48219679
what are 4 color eldrazi
>>48222048
>Eldrazi commanders
You shithead, that's fucking...
Actually, I'm okay with this. Very okay.
>>48221865
that's a woman?
also, s(he)'s 0/1.
i doubt you'd get any more than one thing off the board with this
>>48222121
you okay?
>>48222139
Legendary Eldrazi are something that sounds stupid at first, but the more I think about it the more I want it.
>>48222169
im putting you on suicide watch
>>48220251
>Playing EDH anywhere but the table
Yeesh
>>48218385
>>48221785
Hey you too! I'm sure there's something to do with her, like ping tribal and shit.
>>48222952
In the future, when trees are extinct, who will have the last laugh
Can I start a new edh thread yet? This one sucked so hard.
>>48216343
I'm actuslly building a casual legacy skeletons deck, and it's missing one Contamination, one Oversold Cemetery, one Grave Pact and one Death Baron. It's gonna be awful, but I can't convey my love for skeletons in EDH, I think.
>>48217988
>>48218111
Besides, you don't get the exp from creatures entering, not casting.
>>48218228
>literally worse Kamahl.
Swing back to your monkey treehouse, faggot knife-ears.
There's a reason why elf-human crossbreeds are on the rise.
>>48221813
Come to think, how does the flip ability work? Can I play him after damnation or something like that to make him flip the same turn? Or does he need to "see" the deaths?
>>48223268
>6/1/2005: Kuon's flip ability looks at everything that happened during that turn, even before Kuon entered the battlefield.
Eldritch Moon Commander Rankings!
1. Gisa and Geralf
2. Bruna, Fading Light
3. Emrakul, Promised End
4. Thalia, Heretic Cathar
5. Ishkana, Grafwidow
6. Ulrich of the Krallenhorde
7. Gisela, the Broken Blade
>>48223506
I plan on rolling with Thalia 2.0 in the 99 of Hokori, don't know how good she'd be by herself. Probably better than I'm giving her credit for
>>48214521
I think that's his point. It essentially says your creatures won't die as long as the commander is on the field.
>>48220813
>completely slaughters voltron
Unless they keep Flickerform open.
>>48223630
They die permanently if they die while face-down.
>>48220813
>completely slaughters voltron
Puresteel Palidin + Leonin Shikari say hi
>>48220813
Old mtg art had a raging hard-on for those straw armors eh
Also sweet spicy Brago tech
>>48223167
There's a reason he's played more my friend.
>>48223779
Mostly just Legions. That was what the Clerics looked like in that set.
>>48218316
GrimGrin Corpse born because im boring and dont want to think too hard when making my deck
>build deck that's literally literally 20% ramp and acceleration, 35% lands.
>shuffling and drawing test hands and can't get anything playable.
Jesus Christ. Shuffling a deck properly after its been segmented during building is a bitch.
>>48220813
Isn't that a one-and-done effect though? Most decent decks should be able to rebuild after that
>>48224150
Anyone made something similar and want to talk about it?
>>48224206
>Pile shuffle, creating 9 stacks of 11 cards each
>Combine the piles into 3 stacks of 33 cards >Shuffle those three piles individually
>Cut pile 3, shuffle each half into one of the other piles
>Merge the two piles, sliding both halves together so they're interleaved
Always works for me.
>>48224262
>Pile shuffle
Pile Count or Pile Sort. It's not a Pile Shuffle because it's not shuffling.
>>48224249
I feel like he does better when you go a bit less zombies and give him creatures that just work good with him like glen elandra, if you have mikey
>>48224267
Pedantry,
>>48224278
It's not shuffling. Period. You aren't randomizing shit, it's easy to use it to cheat, and it takes way more time than just actually shuffling. Do a pile count of 11 piles of 9 every now and then to make sure you have enough cards, but beyond that it should not be part of your normal shuffling routine.
What's your favorite delirium enabler?
>>48224249
>>48224276
I recently built Grimgrin. A significant portion of my draw spells are graveyard feed and it gives the deck a lot of reach when it comes to generating fuel.
>Careful Consideration
>Compulsive Research
>Forbidden Alchemy
>Frantic Search
>Jace, Memory Adept
>Probe
The exception, of course, are cards like Deep Analysis that are glad to be in the graveyard.
>>48222169
You know the titans are already legendary, right?
>>48223276
Thought so. There was no rulings on it on MTG familiar so I wasn't sure.
>>48223753
Wrong. Manifest isn't a token
>>48224294
Again, pedantry. The intention was obvious. In this case, the piles are to break up clumps that were made during deck construction. This wasn't a "normal shuffling guide", it was about randomizing a newly made deck.
>>48224352
Yeah, obviously. But not all legendary Eldrazi need to be fuckhuge colossi. Maybe something like a smaller, more cunning hunter Eldrazi that got a local reputation.
>>48224262
Anon, hate to break it to you, but pile shuffling into 3 piles after you've already pile shuffled just ensures you're lands are as janked as possible.
>>48224363
Reread it.
>Whenever a nontoken face-up creature you control dies
>nontoken face-up creature
A manifested card isn't a token, but it certainly isn't face-up.
>>48224366
>break up clumps
The point of shuffling is not to break up clumps, it's to randomize a deck. Sometimes a randomized deck has clumps. If your normal shuffling isn't changing the clumps AT ALL every game, then you're not shuffling right.
What's fun support and synergy in five color manifest? My first draft was awful.
>>48224374
Anon, I hate to break it to you but you're bad at reading instructions. You aren't pile shuffling again, you're combining three of the stacks you made in the first step.
>>48224370
>hey guys, you know those giant plane-smashing monsters? Do you know what would be cool?
>If suddenly they were totally not like that at all and we got a nifty weenies commander
Ya no.
>>48216569
A 5-mana Courser of Kruphix effect in blue certainly isn't the end of the world and would be decently playable. The upside is there though.
I don't run it in every blue deck, in fact I only run it in Ixidor (because he's in the art), but it does a lot of work. I just always find it on the cutting block though once more synergistic cards are available. It just screams "good stuff."
>>48218228
Elfball is a singular boring strategy. At least Newzuri has a ton of different synergies and combos available to him and makes an interesting deck that's buildable in many different ways. I've played him as goodstuff Birthing Pod but also thought about brewing tribal fliers and morphs.
>>48224396
>I am the hurr capital of durr
Oh, my mistake anon, I was just trying to save you from a horrible, horrible mistake.
>>48224387
You're missing the point and it's not worth trying to clarify it for you.
>>48224423
No, I'm not missing the point. If your shuffling isn't changing huge clumps of lands every game, then one of two things is happening:
1) You aren't shuffling enough
2) Sometimes shit happens.
Pile counting will only help your draws if you're cheating. It's no different than mana weaving. Either you're shuffling enough afterwards to undo what you just did (making it a waste of time), or you aren't (which means you're cheating).
Did someone say custom commanders?
>>48224432
The diminishing returns are real.
>>48220268
Word of Seizing or just regular Act of Treason effects.
Brittle Effigy or Chaos Warp. Maybe Scour from Existence if you're desperate.
Also you're Daretti, you're ramping harder than them, or at least should be.
>>48224432
>cool art
>easy casting cost
>objectively inferior to Ayli in every way
Actually, I like it. The more I think about it, the better that card gets. You really only have to give your opponent 9 life before you can ping them for a net of 6 each turn. Black/White cantrips would be a thing. Give it 1 more colourless mana and shroud, then you have a real winner on your hands.
>>48223506
>Ishkanah that low
She's a lot better than she looks. She goes infinite with Nim Deathmantle and Ashnod's Altar and then she basically has "B: Kill someone." She brings 6/11 worth of beef to the field and can randomly blow people out. Someone just Craterhoof + Avenger of Zendikar'd into you? Arachnogenesis and then just kill them on your turn.
She's not even a super Spider tribal deck, you run a couple of utility spiders and the rest is a GB control deck. Run Conspiracy if you wish to turn all your guys into Spiders.
In Doran she is essentially a 5/5 for 5 that brings 3 2/2's with her. She's like an 11/11 for 5.
I think she's the strongest commander for the set honestly.
>>48224430
Statistically speaking, a 100 card deck needs to be shuffled about 9 times to be sufficiently randomized.
The number of times a deck needs to be shuffled gets smaller as the deck gets smaller. Splitting the deck into piles and then shuffling the piles means you can break up a large deck, sufficiently randomize each smaller piece, then combine those randomized pieces in an equally distributed fashion.
>>48224491
Pile. Counting. Is. Not. Shuffling.
If you are specifically arranging your deck a certain way, you are doing the OPPOSITE of randomizing it. Either learn to shuffle a 100 card deck or play a different format.
>>48218355
>not xiahou fun
>>48224432
Of course I post the old version.
>>48224485
That's actually an educated opinion. Well done.
Personally I think the New-merakul is overrated. If it's sitting in the command zone it basically reads "Put Tormod's Crypt into your deck and maybe a Relic of Progenitus too."
>>48224503
This is what I meant by "you're missing the point". Just saying "No I'm not" doesn't mean that you aren't, anon.
>>48224511
Actually, that was the only point of feedback I had. I thought 3 life was a little too much, then I realized you could Tainted Remedy into lightning bolting people with spot removal.
>>48224519
I don't really like 2mrakul as a Commander. It's not terribly easy to enable the cheapening effect in colorless (no colorless enchantments, only 8 total instant/sorceries, most of which are expensive), and unless you have Ugin's Nexus on board it's very likely that the 'give them an extra turn' effect will fuck you up pretty hard, unless you pull some politics by using their resources to fuck up Opponent A and getting them to not hit you on the crackback. I feel like there's better options for colorless Commanders.
>>48224540
So what point are you making that I'm missing? So far I've just seen you defend 'nurr it takes fewer shuffles to randomize a smaller deck' as an excuse to waste your time counting out piles, shuffling those piles, then half-assed mashing them together instead of spending a grand total of maybe 45 seconds just shuffling like a normal person.
>>48220268
How the fuck have 4 people posted and not one of you dickholes said Duplicant.
Duplicant. Duplicant. Duplicant.
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