Wew lad.
Am I on the GW webstore or the Forgeworld webstore?
>$135 for 5 cataphractii termies
Do they not understand that eBay and China exist?
>>48193228
I think they have to keep them level with FW's prices.
GW pricing is done by crazy people, what else is new.
>>48193205
>$50 for two 28mm miniatures
How out of touch is GW?
I got two BaC boxes, that's more than enough of them for me. The spares I'll sell after a while for a good price.
>>48194979
It's the same shit, different day.
Same pattern that killed the Comics empire, same pattern that is causing the latest Call of Duty to tank.
Chasing short term profit at the expense of long term stability, slowly running people off with gimmicks and obvious greed, but instead of drawing in new people they squeeze their remaining fans for more money to compensate. Keep going until the market completely implodes.
>>48194979
Their individual dudes in blisters are $30, so as scary as it seems, OP's example is one of their cheaper options. Premium price for a premium product I guess.
These prices are nothing new, their heroes have been about the same price per figure for a while. I don't see why you are so shocked OP.
What do you actually do to mutants, heretics, and all? Trade cards with them?
Here's an idea: Let's split contents of a box, take out the cardboard and increase their prices FUCKING TWICE!
Those guys are £30 in the UK, £15 each for average heroes is what they charge for blisters now.
It's weird and expensive but not as crazy as the fact they try to charge like £30 for 5 run of the mill infantry dudes in many cases.
>>48196782
Far too expensive, yeah £50 starter sets are ok, but individual figures are ridiculous, the pricing structure is broken beyond reason, the price of one figure is the price of ten figures in other games and companies (well a rough statement,)
>>48196907
Yeah, it's weird.
I wouldn't mind paying £15 for hero models since you only need one or two and like £20-25 for a big monstery type, but the way they're priced is really weird.
I'm glad 1000 points of AoS is actually a reasonable price bracket, the £75(but available on ebay for £54) start is like 800 points of Stormcast and 700 points of chaos or something.
>>48196907
You know what, it wouldn't be weird if it was like the SM captain and CSM terminator lord kits that actually comes with a ton of bits. But £15-30 for a monopose dude you barely can't even mix with other kits is retarded. Put a sprue or two of bits so I can mix and match. Or do like those old WHFB character kits that let you make two dudes with the bits.
Imagine a SM character box that let you make a power armoured and terminator armoured characters of just about all the types from captain to librarian. Just throw in a few weapon options, heads and torso fronts, plus decorative bits. Combining it with other kits would let you make just about all the characters you need.
Sure, an average person's gonna buy one or two, but how many monopose librarians or captains do you think people buy?
>>48197150
you're right, a optional build kit, with maybe 2 or three figures for £20, that would be good, Surely GW always goes on about putting value in their products. apparently......
>>48193205
>bought individually, betrayal at calth would cost $325, not $150
Who falls for this bullshit?
>>48195782
>they could have demanded more
>sucking management cock this hard
Lemme guess. You only use Genuine Citadel Sand(tm) too, right?
>>48197460
Don't forget that there are also official Citadel water pots.
>>48197375
>BaC will be available forever
Oh anon...
>Who falls for this
People who don't want FW resin.
Australia reporting in.
>>48197742
Had to turn my phone upside down to see it.
>>48197645
Just buy two boxes. Keep one unopened encase they cease production of BaC and make recasts.
>>48197966
>Just buy two boxes.
I already have.
>>48193228
they're 65 in real people money
>>48193228
If people keep sharing chinaman email. It will soon stop to exist.
>>48193205
>Its 150$ for the calth box
>Its 325$ for them added together individually
>They're advertised on the same dam page
Somebody fucked up BAD.
Like. Holy shit. Oh No. Oh no. Noooooooo.
I am fucking dumb founded.
HOOOOOOOW?
>>48199531
I just dont understand
>>48197375
>>48199531
Most of the boxed games are cheap deals compared to buying all the models individually; it's kinda the appeal. Releasing the Betrayal at Calth kits individually allows people to expand on their armies or whatever.
Either way, GW profits.
if they were in any way customizable that price would probably be a bit more justifiable. But $25 for that?
>>48194979
That's pricing I accept for Kingdom Death first run collectors resin models, but for GW plastics its certainly over the top.
But they're betting people will pay it, and I'm afraid they'll be right.
>>48195760
In this case it is not. They are not neccessary for gaming AT ALL.
The more important product is the 10-man squad which is priced the same.
Plus at least in the foreseeable future, selling the individual B@C Content for these prices, while having the box on the shelf means, hardly anybody will even consider those. Same with the Tau Getting Started box which is only slightly more expensive then the 3 crisis suits alone. Who buys the latter?
>>48203786
Honestly I'd probably buy the MKIV marines on their own because they're the only thing in Calth that I really have any use for.
I play EC in 30k so the slow and purposeless Terminators are useless to me and I think that the Contemptor looks like garbage that skipped leg day compared to the FW versions.
>>48197742
... and I thought the OP was one of those troll australian-webstore posts.
>>48197742
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/272050374260
You're welcome
Were GW products EVER priced reasonably?
If you had a time machine, what year would you go to to stock up on GW miniatures?
>>48204059
Than buy them off Ebay you dork; theres sets from the Calth box going for like, 25$. There is NO reason to buy them from GW direct
>>48195760
I suspect that they are also trying to cover losses from things that did not sell by increasing prices of things that do sell. This will just end up creating a vicious cycle where they just can't sell anything.
Do they replace the cannon with a regular mechadendrite when they're not doing war or are they just always ready to go?
>>48193205
Good, poor fags stay home... i'm tired of rubbing elbows with smelly poor neckbeard virgins.
>>48204330
GW seem to be pushing people to buy the box sets/board game boxes currently. The Betrayal at Calth comes with £195 worth of marines for £95 and can be purchased at resellers for a bigger discount.
So I would say for war gamers GW is arguably cheaper than they used to be but for collectors who just want one squad or so squads they are more expensive.
After seeing these prices ive just ordered one of the last Deathwatch games from my LGS as it's clear the Genestealers Hybrids and other parts will cost a bomb if they are sold separately.
I'm not sure how it makes sense to seek individual components of a boxed game at this price increase. It shows just how silly regular GW prices are when they can comfortably sell them for much less in a boxed game.
>>48204514
They change their load out all the time
So putting on a cannon arm is no different than picking up a gun
>>48204531
>implying successful people play 40k
>>48199531
>>48199565
It makes the BaC more tempting and people are more likely to buy it even though they wouldn't want/need some of the models in it. It's like with chinashit, you buy a lot more than you want/need since "the deal is too good to pass up"
>>48205345
If they hadn't bought it yet why would they buy it now? They can and could have just gotten a single unit for cheaper off ebay anyway. The prices for this shit are so insanely illogical it it hurts to try to comprehend it.
>>48205223
who said anything about success? my momma buys me warhammer
I feel like GW's prices would go over a bit better if you didn't need so many minis to play. They'd still be bullshit, but it'd be a little more bearable.
>>48205785
I haven't bought it because only lately I have been interested in a 30k WE force. I already have 5 Terminators from the box and I don't need 5 more, but the BAC has better valueand the fact that I may have a chance to get it for -50%does make it a lot more appealing...
>The prices for this shit are so insanely illogical it it hurts to try to comprehend it.
That's because it's GW and they want to push the BAC and if someone actually buys it's models separately, it's more money for them
>>48204059
Buy B@C while still available and sell the stuff you dont want. You'll be cheaper that way
>50 bucks for both guys from GW
>11 bucks+shipping for both guys on ebay
>>48206726
Because eBay's still flooded with BaC ones. They'll dry out in time and then the only ones available will be the GW ones.
>>48199531
>it's $150
When will this meme end?
>>48206858
The moment you faggots stop pretending prison colony prices are in US dollars.
>>48206726
>mfw this will bump up the prices
I'm actually worried since I could get 5 terminators for 8 burgers from Z. Hopefully he doesn't bump them up too much
>>48206888
Even converted it's only $198 AUD, and even less if you convert from GBP, GW is just fucking us for extra cash money like the dogs we are.
>>48204330
I played in the mid to late 90's and it was expensive as fuck back then. I think costs were a little lower in dollar amounts but with inflation that was much, much cheaper.
>>48205868
Yeah it would be cheaper but having a big army is part of the appeal.
>>48207618
Not really. The scale of the game has just increased with every edition and gotten retardedly out of control in an effort to push more model sales.
>>48204330
early '00s, but only so I could pick up specialist games miniatures at normal prices
>>48193205
These are cheaper than the GW termies.
>150$/325$
>95£/195£
>125€/254€
I can't help but wonder what is the profit margin...
>>48207871
Doing the math on these kits for Canada, $ in CAD unless otherwise noted.
B@C is $180 (GW) or $135 (Mail Order 3PP) for:
5 Cataphractii
30 Tacticals
1 (Snap-fit) Contemptor
2 (Snap-fit) Heroes (Captain and Chaplain)
GW webstore with individual kits is $390 for the same:
$80
$60+$60+$60
$70
$60
FW webstore with individual kits is £366.50 or $618.83
£35 (bodies) + £17 (Special Weapons Set) + £13 (Power Fist Set)
£170 + £36 (Special Weapons Sets)
£34 (non-snapfit body from Legion of choice) + £28.50 (Three weapon arms of choice)
£33 (2 generic heroes, 1 in regular plate 1 in cataphractii)
From the top-tier Chinaman the FW equivalents are 1205 Yuan or $234.
From the average-tier Chinaman the FW equivalents are $205.10 (USD) or $267.42
Analysis:
B@C remains the best legitmate deal, but does unfortunately come with several monopose and snapfit miniatures. If B@C is phased out then, as usual for GW and FW, Chinamen become the superior choice again. Interestingly by taking advantage of 3rd party mail order places that offer a 25% discount even China cannot meet B@C's price for the 5 Cataphractii and 30 Tacticals plus all their options and equipment.
Suggested course of action:
Buy 25% off B@Cs for Catapractii and Tacticals. Re-sell Contemptors, Captains, and Chaplains through preferred channels. Use that income to to buy non-snapfit Contemptors from legion of choice (and other FW items) from Chinamen.
>>48207654
In WHFB they made units cheaper, so a 2000pts. army in, say, 5th edition was much smaller than in 8th. They encouraged larger units by making ranks wider (from 4 to 5 models per rank), didn't give flanking bonuses for single rank units (so you needed, for example, 10 cavalry instead of 5), Horde encouraged wide units with a ton of models, etc.
I liked it when you could have a little bit of everything on the field, but later it was just a few huge blocks and monsters that were the best.
>>48205223
RIP Robbie.
>>48208167
>several monopose and snapfit miniatures
Just the characters and dread.
Personally, plastic is what wins it for me over any resin no matter how cheap. I made 30k Marines purely because of access to plastic models, not because of price. Throw in some 40k plastic kits for MkVI suits, terminators, bikes, vehicles, etc.
>>48208352
There's no really any significant difference between resin and plastic in terms of ease of use. It's not like the difference between metal and plastic.
>>48208167
What third party are you get B@C for $130?
>>48208383
plastic does come in many bits you can have fun making dudes out of, resin doesn't
>>48208352
At $135 I'll grab a couple more B@Cs anyway, but the reason I don't want the snapfit characters and dread is because I feel they are the centerpieces of the army and should be the least similar to each other. I really would have preferred having the Tacticals and Cataphractii be snapfit and the other minis be poseable.
I'm not picky on materials. I use resin, plastic, and metal. It was entirely the low price point of B@C and recasts that got me into 30k.
>>48208383
I've never seen anyone claim that plastic and resin are equally good. I'll take metal before resin. Only thing I use resin for are some conversion bits.
>>48208411
$135. It's a mail order place in Victoria. I'll be happy to share the name once I place an order for a few more B@C boxes on Monday. With GW releasing individual kits I'm paranoid they will be phasing out B@C.
>>48208426
FW marines come in the exact same parts the GW marines do.
>>48208470
Than you have a solid point, what does plastic loving anon have to say?
>>48205223
>mfw most of the people spending heavily on 40k and MtG are Fatbeards, Neets and people constantly short on cash that should really buy food and pay rent instead of buying nerdcrack and cigarettes
>>48208435
There's plenty of conversions people have made with the BaC characters and dreads.
>>48208451
The biggest negative of resin is production-related. It's easy to fuck up and get errors which is a quality control problem for the manufacturer.
>>48208483
Incorrect. Resin Marines got their torso in a single piece while plastic ones are in two pieces.
Also, the resin MkIVs have skinnier legs and come with just enough bits to make the marines as pictured, no alternative heads, arms, etc.
>>48208460
That's cool. Totally understandable. I think thiers a place in Ontario with close to the same price
>>48208520
I haunt (and post) in the WIP threads so I've definitely seen some awesome conversions. I have to admit though that I'm not nearly as skilled. (I'm especially jealous of the guy that turned the Chaplain into a jetpack-guy in a way that didn't make his cloak look like ass.)
Do any of the Chinamen have Stromcasts? If so, are the one-parters or multipart? I only really want a their legs and possibly arms for conversion purposes and bits services are not what they were anymore.
>>48208167
I meant the profit margin on minies in general. If GW can sell BAC around 50% of the "normal" cost and still make a profit, would the same apply to other models as well?
>>48208426
Isn't that because of the kit itself and not the material the models are made of? The plastic aspiring champion doesn't come with extra bits
>>48208451
I prefer non-vehicle models in resin over plastic
>>48208579
>the resin MkIVs have skinnier legs
That's because FW willed it, if plastic molds were skinnier then we would have skinny plastic legs
>>48209642
>Isn't that because of the kit itself and not the material the models are made of?
Either way, until they start packing resin kits with all upgrade options and extra bits, plastic kits have a leg up on that front.
>I prefer non-vehicle models in resin over plastic
Some people like to lick assholes as well, nothing wrong with that.
>if plastic molds were skinnier then we would make fun of them equally
FTFY
>>48207756
These are 48 quid, so no.
>>48210451
>Go on GW webstore
>"Gee, these are 40 pounds. That's a bit high"
>Go on FW webstore
>"Wow, for only 8 quid more, I can get these much superior terminators"
GW is a genius.
>>48210542
the best thing is, the FW cataphractii are actually CHEAPER than the GW ones
source: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/Cataphractii-Pattern-Terminators
>>48210625
Now factory in the cost of weapons for them. The kit only comes with the bodies.
>>48210451
They're cheaper in Ameribucks the last time I checked.
>>48195760
I thought the comics code (or whatever it was) killed comics.
>>48209844
>Either way, until they start packing resin kits with all upgrade options and extra bits, plastic kits have a leg up on that front.
Seriously nigga, did your mum drop you? Are you seriously trying to argue that extra bits make plastic superior over resin when it comes to which is better material to make miniatures out of? You could at least complain about needing to wash them, their brittleness or the fact that resin that they use to make minies is less heat resistant than plastic. But that would make sense, wouldn't it?
>>48207756
fuck those are ugly models
>>48211184
He's talking about the 90s collapse that was brought about by rampant greed and open contempt.
>>48211295
No, that's not at all what I'm saying. I specifically said so, but you didn't read it before getting all huffy.
If you have 5 resin minis with just the pieces to make those 5 models, and a sprue of bits to make 5 plastic models with all sorts of options, and the cost the same, then in terms of what you get for that money, the plastic kit wins. Yes, you could put extra bits into the resin kits, but how many do come with extra bits? With FW kits you have to buy all the guns as extras and you really don't have much in the way of helmets, shoulder pads, etc. unless you go with legion specific ones.
>>48206888
>Refers to Australia as "Prison colony"
>Opposed to America
How quaint.
>>48211184
Code didnt kill comics, it stumped their possibilites sure but didnt kill them and even then it only lasted like 20 years as by the 70s they were already going deep into gritty bloody territory and the 80s continued that and by the 90s the industry implicitly stopped using the code.
>>48210857
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/Cataphractii-Pattern-Terminators
£8 for superior models? Not exactly a hard question.
GW sucks so hard.
The Comcast of gaming.
>>48212091
>plastic cataphractii with various weapon options
>£40
>less with retailer discounts
>resin catapharctii with basic weapon options
>£48
>plus S&H from FW
>>48212162
Not a drama as you already know before you build them the weapon options you want to have..
>>48212236
Buying all the kits for the weapon loadout you want doesn't really make it a cheaper or "just £8 more", now does it? Also, many like to magnetize their dudes so they can play around with options.
>>48212285
That's nice.. so you get two main options (dual claws or gat + melee incorportation mix of chainfists and powerfists or whatever) however you like and none of the extras with the plastic.. I know this as they're sat 2ft to my right.
Would still take FW over these for the sake of a few quid, and more actual options. If that's a problem.. probably the wrong hobby for ya.
>>48199531
>Somebody fucked up BAD
No anon, this is actually really clever on their part, assuming that they profit off of Calth, of course
By pricing Calth reasonably and pricing the individual models unreasonably it will inevitably drive people who only wanted to get one or two boxes of models to get the whole Calth kit instead
When you spend $150 on Calth instead of $325 on everything separately you aren't saving $175, you're spending $150
What happened to the rumors about a new HH box set?
Dead now I presume.
>>48212379
You seem to be the one that has a problem with people liking plastic and options for cheaper than resin. Sorry to ruin the hobby for you, friend.
>>48211936
>If you have 5 resin minis with just the pieces to make those 5 models, and a sprue of bits to make 5 plastic models with all sorts of options, and the cost the same, then in terms of what you get for that money, the plastic kit wins
But it the fact that there's more bits has nothing to do with the mini being plastic. There are resin kits that comes with multiple pieces and options from which to chose from and there are plastic kit that have none. You're saying that the kit with more variety is better which is true to some extent
>With FW kits you have to buy all the guns as extras and you really don't have much in the way of helmets, shoulder pads, etc
That is because FW decided to do business like that, not because their products are made of resin
>>48211295
>need to wash resin
>brittle
>less heat resistant
Not him, but I prefer plastic because of how fuckawesome plastic glue is. I've tried all sorts of glues on resin models and the best results were from JB Weld 2-part epoxy - a stinky, messy and wasteful process. Styrene cement by comparison is like having the miracle of cold fusion in one's hands.
HDS > Metal > Resin 4 lyfe.
