Warcraft Discussion.
Also, playing Warcraft D&D game.
Whats the coolest cohort of the following to have.
A Dragon from the Ruby Flight.
A High Elf Archer girl.
A Vrykul Warrior girl.
A Succubus,
or a Female Gnome Tinker?
gnomes are so goofy and cute.
>>48188808
Ruby dragon easily.
>>48188999
nice trips.
i'd go with the gnome tinker.
Does a WoW setting book for DnD4 exist?
Obviously a qt Val'kyr
>>48189019
it got changed a lot when the later WoW games played footloose with the lore.
>>48188808
>high elves never ever
>>48189052
>Blood elf DKs RPing as high elves
REEE
>>48189093
If they're not on the alliance, they're not high elves, no matter what their blue eyes say
>>48189121
they are spoopily reanimated corpses, no matter what their openRP tabs say.
Speaking of which, does anyone think its weird that DKs get a shitty tombstone like sword for their most distinctive spec while frost which is the least DK spec as possible gets frostmourne?
>>48188808
Gnome Tinker or a Ruby Dragon for sure.
I know Warcraft got a DnD3 ruleset, and it seems like Warcraft is the perfect fit for DnD (High fantasy, lots of themes like tech and magic and gods, lots of races etc) but has there ever been an effort to make the setting work in another system? Bonus points if not d20 based.
Gnome > Succubutt > dragon > elf > vrykul
Short stacks are GOAT, Horns are cute, Basicall a human with benefits, basically a human with down sides, are you kidding me how could any human please a vrykul lady or the other way around for that matter really.
>>48189182
>night elf
>downsides
I don't see any.
Sup, does anyone have "dk world police" pics saved? I need them for scientific reasons.
>>48189744
>tfw you didn't save a single one
sorry senpai, have a gnome instead.
I have nothing to add tot
The discussion, just wanted you to know I named my death knightfemalegnome Minithil, and thought I was really clever for it.
>>48189341
You missed the furfaggotry part
>>48188976
Gnome lovers are closet pedos.
>>48189182
>anon thinks cause he's not man enough to please a vrykul chick no man is
Speak for yourself, anon.
>>48188808
I'll go for the Vrykul warlady,thank you.
>>48189913
>night elves
>furfaggotry
u wot m98?
Tauren, Worgen and Pandaren are the furfaggot races.
Night Elves are actually one of the least furry races.
>>48189913
nah, night elves are too pure for that.
>>48188808
high elf archer girls a best
>>48189093
>blood elf RP
REEEEEE
No for real, I pride myself on being one of the good ones. But other blood elf RPers never fail to dissapoint both I, and my farstrider
>>48190116
I think he is referring to whole druid thing from WC3.
>>48190116
>Doesn't see that 40% of night elves are druids.
>Druids stay in animal shape permanently.
Worgen were a mistake and are a blight on the Alliance. I hate Tauren but they have been in it since Warcraft 3 so whatever.
Pandas I'm pretty neutral toward, which is funny because that's the way they feel about everyone else.
sucks that one of my friends only plays horde, rather be a dwarf or a human then anyone else.
>>48189744
IS THAT CRIME I SMELL?!
>>48190387
>>48190397
It's ok we took care of the t2 paladin all is safe now
>>48190387
>>48190397
thank you for this
>>48190406
Watch our movie
>>48190414
yes sir mr Mograine
>>48190414
its a shame blizzard had to kill that entire plot point.
>>48190595
isn't he the last DK garrisonbot?
>>48188808
All of them can be mounted, but only one of them can be a mount.
>>48190598
Wait DK's are no longer raiding Undercity?
>>48191599
he becomes new leader of the four horsemen, and is one of the first order hall dudes iirc
order halls aren't garrisons pls don't make me terrified they'll be garrisons 2 electric boogaloo
>>48190598
>We'll never get to go FULL retard
Just imagine it man.
>Bolvar revived
>Koltiras raid
>Death Knight wyrm dropship
>Riding your horsie around into battle
>Customizing your pets appearance
>>48190387
>>48190397
>>48190404
>>48190414
Thanks, based dk.
>>48192029
the entire world police thing took a back seat. Tyrion lectures the player about how defiling the dead is bad from the dead.
>>48192312
>spoiler.
when legion fails, thats gonna be blizzard's hail mary.
>>48192388
>the entire world police thing took a back seat
But anon.
INCORRUPTIBLE.
UNSTOPPABLE.
UNBRIDABLE.
100% CENTRAL CONNECTION TO THE LICH KING
PERFECT. WORLD. POLICE.Also World Police was the whole Koltiras' stuff rather than Bolvar's
>>48192415
yeah, I know. The quest is a damp squib though.
All the other classes get some cool notable characters for their Class Halls like Koltira Deathweaver or Vanessa van Cleef, but here I am, Mage Master Race, getting a bunch of nobodies for my Class Hall.
>>48192439
Fucking UD players crying like bitches.
I hope legion bombs and they go full on retard, like removing horde/alliance, class factions, etc...
>>48192458
what do mages get?
>tfw no angry jainafu as your alliance follower.
also, is it odd that if I hear anything else laura bailey is in, it tickles me in a weird way?
>>48188808
>these threads again
Fuck. The Warcraft generals attracted the worst kinds of autists. It was a blessing when the threads lost interest and died out.
>>48188808
Aarakoa. Birdhermit the best.
>>48192482
http://www.wowhead.com/news=250451/mage-order-hall-preview-and-artifact-transmog-recommendations
Basically, just a bunch of Mage class trainers and a quintessential wacky Goblin.
Which I guess isn't too surprising, since most of the notable Mage characters are pretty huge figures (Jaina and Khadgar) and/or dead. What I do find kinda weird, though, is that the Paladins get Lady Liadrin, but the Mages don't get Rommath.
>>48192458
I think rogues have it worse, though. Other classes get some pretty cool class halls. Deathknights have their flying necropolis, druids get to chill in the Emerald Dream, demon hunters have a fucking looted Legion spaceship. Rogues get...That bar in the Dalaran sewers where I had my warlock's hearthstone set during WotLK (and where the hell am I going to put my warlock now that we're back in Dalaran and rogues took over the bar?).
>>48192502
why?
it was pretty comfy.
>>48192518
Did anyone else get a warhammer high elf vibe from their design? After rereading tyrion & teclis, I imagine lothern to be like the arrakoa raid.
>>48192527
Rommath is pretty pro horde though, or blood elf at the least.
>>48192551
Yeah, but at the same time they get pic related.
But I suppose the Mage is at least evened-out by getting the Hall of the Guardian.
>>48192554
>Rommath is pretty pro horde though, or blood elf at the least.
While true, Lady Liadrin is a big blood elf figure. But I suppose she isn't really the Big Three of the blood elves, which is why she's a class follower and Rommath isn't.
>>48192616
>While true, Lady Liadrin is a big blood elf figure. But I suppose she isn't really the Big Three of the blood elves, which is why she's a class follower and Rommath isn't.
lady liadrin was largely a paladin figure as blood knight matriarch.
So what's the reason blood elves have for sticking with the Horde? I haven't played since halfway through Cata.
>>48192891
not too much of a reason. The purge of dalaran happened and a lot of the blood elves were arrested because a faction of blood elf mages had broken the neutrality of dalaran during the alliance horde war by actively stealing shit from dalaran and using it as a staging ground for horde operations.
It was jaina's finest hour.
>>48192891
They're literal sluts and orcs, trolls, and tauren have the biggest dicks around. Also they're barbaric as fuck so they don't question why every female hunter has a wolf companion that spends the night in the same bed with them.
>>48192950
It sounded like at the time Lor'themar was sending out diplomatic feelers to try and reconcile with the Alliance, until a faction of Sunreavers helped Garrosh steal an artifact.
>>48192415
What is this about? I can't find much from a cursory googling?
>>48188808
>A Dragon from the Ruby Flight.
For a paladin, carries him to fights and cleanses their enemies with purifying flames.
>A High Elf Archer girl.
For a warrior, rains death upon his enemies.
>A Vrykul Warrior girl.
For a mage, as a meatshield
>A Succubus
For a warlock.
>or a Female Gnome Tinker?
For a hunter, she crafts him mods and ammo for his gun.
>>48193058
yeah, that entire arc was utterly pointless.
>alliance gets a leader doing badass stuff
>"They were almost going to become allies guize :DDD"
fuck you blizzard.
>>48193471
Post WoTLK, DKs were just existing in a void, and a prominent DK character was taken to sylvie's magical realm. Alpha leaks showed DKs kicking ass and taking names.
>>48194352
>For a hunter, she crafts him mods and ammo for his gun.
silly anon, guns don't need ammo anymore. Bring the player not the class.
>>48195005
>yeah, that entire arc was utterly pointless.
>>alliance gets a leader doing badass stuff
>>"They were almost going to become allies guize :DDD"
>fuck you blizzard.
You're retarded if you thought they were actually going to make Blood Elves Alliance. It was always a plot device destined to not go anywhere.
>>48195005
That would've been awesome, and nothing came of it in Cata? Did the DK guy return or is he still missing?
>>48195410
then why bother with it for some cheap drama that would not go anywhere?
Faction war was a mistake
>>48195484
The player DK rescues him in legion.
>>48195647
>then why bother with it for some cheap drama that would not go anywhere?
>Faction war was a mistake
Because in an MMO, lore can't take precedence over the gameplay. It sucks but that's how most MMOs are.
>>48195745
so why introduce it in the first place?
that entire idea about blood elves having diplomatic relations with the alliance is dumb as fuck.
I stopped caring about Warcraft lore. It's not fun to play a game where your faction gets screwed over because Blizz has a Horde Bias.
Not having a Troll Master-race girl.
>>48195786
hoo boy, you are going to love what they did to illidan then. A naaru kidnaps you and berates you for killing illidan in TBC.
>>48195647
As part of the artifact intro? Sounds good to me. DKs always felt a little redundant outside of WotLK fluffwise.
>>48195803
there's a thread on /vg/ for avatarfags bud
>>48195820
yeah, Cata was just an awful trainwreck
>sylvanas blighting and using the plague in the backyard of the AC and the EB
>>48195765
>so why introduce it in the first place?
>that entire idea about blood elves having diplomatic relations with the alliance is dumb as fuck.
You've already answered your own question.
>>48195972
I honestly forgot about that blurb.
It just made an awesome alliance moment taste bitter.
>>48195765
I don't think blood elves having diplomatic relations with the Alliance in itself is dumb; they used to be members of the Alliance and they joined the Horde entirely as allies of convenience (most of the are near Silvermoon is either in the hands of the Scourge or the Horde, and the whole Garithos incident soured their relations with the humans, so allying with the Horde for mutual defence made sense), so some among them maintaining ties to their former allies and hoping to reconsile between the two factions, or switch sides if the situation would favor it, doesn't seem unlikely. Blizz consantly coming up with contrived reasons for Horde and Alliance to be at each others' throats while also fighting againt a more dangerous common enemy is much dumber.
I do agree that it's stupid that they introduce storylines or plot points they surely must know they can't give a satisfactory ending to. Siege of Orgrimmar is even worse example: they want to maintain a status quo between the two factions as roughly equal powers (which is probably why Alliance has suffered so many losses: back in vanilla lore Alliance had an absolutely massive advantage over Horde both population- and military-wise), so you know from the start that it can't end with anything more severe than the Alliance giving the Horde a stern talking to and everybody going back to fighting each other the next week as if nothing happened.
Which begs the question why they choose to do the stroyline in the first place. Surely, if you can't tell the story in a satisfactory manner due to game mechanics getting in the way, common sense would dictate that you just don't do that storyline?
>>48196026
Blizzard made it worse by promising Alliance a good story for MoP, instead of the turgid lobotomized mess they gave us.
>>48190414
>>48190406
>>48190404
>>48190397
>>48190387
>>48192312
> All those big name NPC's as followers.
>fun follower quests and class hall
>YFW you play a Warrior have have to put up with no-name one dimensional Vrykul
>You're not the real class leader, Oydn is.
>they honestly expect you to be happy with Not! Valhalla, and that's it.
Fucking sucks to be a warrior this expansion.
>>48196097
>warriors don't get a secret base under fray island that is being run by mechanognomes
>>48196097
That gif is golden.
And Warriors are at least getting some snazzy new animations. It could always be worse anon, you could be sitting in the sewers of Dalaran for some reason.
>>48188808
>A Vrykul Warrior girl
Big /fit/ warrior bitches forever.
>>48196026
>I don't think blood elves having diplomatic relations with the Alliance in itself is dumb; they used to be members of the Alliance and they joined the Horde entirely as allies of convenience (most of the are near Silvermoon is either in the hands of the Scourge or the Horde, and the whole Garithos incident soured their relations with the humans, so allying with the Horde for mutual defence made sense), so some among them maintaining ties to their former allies and hoping to reconsile between the two factions, or switch sides if the situation would favor it, doesn't seem unlikely. Blizz consantly coming up with contrived reasons for Horde and Alliance to be at each others' throats while also fighting againt a more dangerous common enemy is much dumber.
blizzard introduced it to the alliance in an offhand way that just made the biggest political shift in the status quo pointless.
>jaina does her coup and the alliance gets an iconic alliance city back
>turns out they would get it back either way because the belves wanted out but jaina ruined everything.
>>48196127
The snazzy animations are the only reason I'm considering playing my warrior. None of the class hall 'lore' makes sense as a Night Elf warrior though.
I will give you the Sewers thing. although you got us beat by a mile on NPCs and your class 'lore' is a bit easier to deal with.
>>48196459
>alliance is literally human stuff.
why?
>>48196546
No idea. Blizzard tends to write all the quests from a Stormwindian Human's perspective I've noticed. Much of the Horde quests are much more ambiguous.
The Aliiance is also protrayed as a Human-dominated empire with non-human member states. None of the diversity in NPC's or lore like the Horde is often written. All the NPCs in the Profession buildings in the Alliance Garrison are Humans. The Horde is more of an alliance than the alliance.
>Chronic stupidity led the Alliance to create a good third of their own enemies, particularly turning the High Elves into Blood Elves
Does it never end?
>>48196627
Not until Blizzard stops jerking off the Horde.
>>48189744
>"dk world police"
A fresh meme ruined by their failure at Light's Hope.
Thanks Bliz.
>>48190387
>>48190397
>>48190404
>>48190414
>>48192312
>>48192415
This stuff sounds hilarious as fuck but what's the story behind this 'DK world police'? Somebody explain this shit to me.
>>48196609
any particular quests you noticed?
>>48196627
no. its mr bones' wild ride.
>>48196653
>tfw some old fart who died lectures you
>its not even uther.
>>48195647
>Faction war was a mistake
I'm fine with faction war, but I'm also fine with cooperation. I just wish Blizzard would make up their fucking mind instead of flip-flopping every expansion or two.
>Vanilla WoW
Loose cooperation with some border skirmishes
>Burning Crusade
More coordinated cooperation with some skirmishes
>Wrath of the Lich King
Uh... divisive?
>Cataclysm
Open war
>Mists of Pandaria
Open war
>Warlords of Draenor
Close cooperation with fighting over Ashran for no explained reason.
>Legion
Heavy implications of yet another war based on political friction with Genn somehow having the rights to High King and Sylvanas magically becoming Warchief despite everyone in the Horde hating her.
Either have them at war or don't. Stop pussyfooting around. Jaysus.
>>48196097
>>YFW you play a Warrior have have to put up with no-name one dimensional Vrykul
Warriors get Thorim and shit.
Warriors have good followers.
>>48196718
>Ashran for no explained reason.
The Alliance are looking for a powerful artefact to use against the Iron Horde. Horde attack them because they don't want the Alliance to get a powerful artefact.
>>48196546
>>48196609
As someone that predominantly plays a human, that irritates the hell out of me. The Alliance consists of nations that include a 10,000-year-old empire of guerilla warriors and druids that can command entire forests to do their bidding, an industrial powerhouse, and a race of borderline demigods, and yet the humans are the only ones that get a focus.
I mean, Warcraft humans have shown to be pretty awesome because they've been able to stand-up to crazy odds due to their ability to adapt, produce some of the most powerful mages in history, and whatnot, but it's still a little silly. I find it a little poor to claim that the reason why the night elves or draenei don't take charge is because they don't really care much. At least the dwarves have the excuse of having a bunch of political infighting to prevent themselves from getting too involved (Moira for High Queen of the Alliance, just putting that out there).
But pushing lore aside, it's just boring that the Alliance is humans this, humans that, with the other races delegated to sidekicks. At least Warlords of Draenor gave the draenei a focus. Wish the night elves would get the same.
>>48196785
>Thorim
Was only relevant in Storm peaks and Ulduar. He's non-existent outside of that raid tier, much less outside of Wrath. Not everyone puts Wrath on a pedestal and worship it.
>Warriors have good followers.
There are a total of 12 unique named NPCs in the Warrior Class Hall, not including personal champions. The Paladin Class Hall contains 48. Other halls have similar numbers.
>>48196833
That's silly. But at least it's an explanation, I guess.
>>48196879
>gave draenei a focus
>half their towns are destroyed or burning
>can't visit karabor
all those years of waiting, of roaming the blasted remnants of outland and wondering what the space goats were like at their height, and then the doors are closed.
>>48196899
>Was only relevant in Storm peaks and Ulduar.
Which is more relevant than most followers.
You don't have to like Wrath, but you do have to recognise you that you have Thor as your manservant.
That's way cooler than any number of shitty rogues or mages.
>>48196946
>Draenor
>Height
>Not Argus
>>48196946
I was pretty buttmad about Karabor not being the Alliance capital. What a damned waste.I squealed like a school girl when Akama picked up some scythes as a weapon, though. WoD was mostly a waste, but I at least got a kick out of seeing that.
>>48196949
So one relevant follower. While other classes have literally dozens.
>>48196985
There's at least King Ymiron and Hodir too.
Warriors have above average followers.
>>48196981
yeah, its a little thing
>>48196970
we will see neoblizzard making argus.
>>48196985
The Mages have absolutely no followers that are notable.
>>48196879
Maybe they don't put a new focus on them because the main races get their content in the leveling process that they completely ignored in favor of facilitating dungeon spamming.
>>48197317
what happened to that alterac quest?
>>48197391
Lord Perenold let some orcs take it and they ruined the whole place and by the time he realized it the alliance pals realized he'd given away early access already so they took his ass to court and sued him for his crown.
>>48197405
haha, no. I moved to a different country for a while. I wanted to restart it, but I don't see any quest threads here anymore.
>>48197459
...you noticed >>>/qst/ exists, right?
>Lady Liadrin stopes 3 Horsmen, DK's chapter master and Darion
>after getting her shit pushed in
>after having dk spec-ops unit slaughter every paladin who stood in their way between them and Tirion's corpse
Why can't we go full nuclear, guys?
>>48197459
>>48197317
Would enjoy that quest again if you ever get the urge to run it again.
That being said, say you have the full history of Azeroth to play in, what's the best time period you'd want to run as adventures in? I'd like to see what the Time of the Ancients time period simply because you can see all of the old Titan shit that is laying around. Not to mention that all the mortal races are still immortal more or less.
>>48197405
Wonder why they went with "Night Elf Empire" instead of "Kaldorei Empire"? The latter just plain sounds better.
>You'll never get to go to a Hallow's End party with the Horde ever again
>>48197697
Because that quest was stupid and shouldn't have been included in the first place.
Otherwise it was a good set of quests.
>>48201062
wait, when was this?
>>48202285
Hallow's End, silly
We then played basketball after dinner
>>48201062
One of my best WoW memories comes from Burning Crusade. I was in that tavern in the Lower City of Shattrath with two Forsaken (human mage player, myself) and we were watching the occasional comedian show that goes on there.
All three of us emoted along with the comedian's jokes and questions ("Anyone here ever been to Elwynn?" Cue /yes and /no's) and it was just kinda fun dancing around the language barrier. It wasn't even on an RP server.
>>48196682
Basically, after the death of the Lich King, the DKs were kind og left without a purpose: their primary motivation was to get revenge on the Lich King, and now that he's dead, what should the do? Made worse by the fact that DKs literally have to keep fighting or they go mad. When the Legion comes back (again), they decide that what they should now do is defend the world against demons and other bullshit the only way they know: going around killing any baddies they run into until either they or all the baddies are dead.
PC DK also gets promoted as the class leader because the old leader goes "fuck this paperwork and shit, I'm going to kill demons", hands you the keys to the giant floating necropolis, and flies off on the back of an undead dragon to beat the shit out of the Burning Legion by himself.
>>48196981
WoD had a lot of cool little moments like that. I also liked exarch Maladaar (a dungeon boss from TBC) appearing as a fairly prominent friendly NPC, and being able to recruit Onorok Torn-Heart (who in TBC was a former warlock who'se now retired on a small farm and very regretful of the atrocities he committed under Gul'dan) after he defects Gul'dan's forces.
Really, there was a lot of cool little ideas and callbacks in WoD, but the premise was pretty silly and, more importantly, much of the content got butchered by combination of too small initial developer team and them deciding to just wrap it up quickly and move to Legion when they finally got more devs.
>>48202857
what year. asshat.
Honestly, the only thing lore-related that looks remotely salvageable is Magni making a return and his relationship with Moira.
http://content.madefire.com/s-298c57876fb74447975e5e942695ddcb/index.html#
Rockdad is best dad
>>48203835
>"hi yes i'm fucking retarded please spoonfeed me the info"
you see the filename? you see that weird code of gibberish right next to the WoWScrnShot? it goes a little something like this:
102515
October 25, 2015
there you go, fuck-o
Aside from Vanessa, who do Rogues get?
Thinking of dusting off my guy for Legion. How's that new Combat spec?
>>48204232
Lilian Voss
>>48204240
Isn't she like double dead?
Altho the same could be said for Vanessa, how the duck did she survive decapitation anyway
>>48204259
She drugged you and you hallucinated killing her.
>2008
>sophomore in high school
>Wrath just came out
>buddy and I are leveling through Howling Fjord after getting home from school
>just idle chatter, mention I think the vrykul women are kinda hot
>friend flies off the handle "dude wtf that's some fucked up gay fetish shit they look like men"
Liking femvrykul is NOT gay!
>>48204240
I was absolutely convinced that she was truly dead. The more you know I guess.
>>48204232
Apparently new Combat is really cool, it's pirate/highwayman themed and has lots of gun-play. The big downside to it right now is an ability called Roll the Bones. A bunch of die are rolled and you get a buff, all 6 are good but 1 is outright better than the other 5. Probably getting a number change, not sure. Looks really cool though.
>>48204420
nah, muscled grils are cool.
>>48197517
people use /qst/?
>>48197697
One day anon.
So recently I started playing again for the first time since Wotlk, And I must admit the new Forsaken plotlines are kinda odd.
They are still trying to sell the Scarlets as the one sided bad guys when you're literally doing scourge work yourself.
And Sylvanas being a "beloved Queen" doesn't fly with me when all she does is use her forsaken as cannon fodder and is a tyrannical cunt to everyone
>>48204731
>So recently I started playing again for the first time since Wotlk
anon, I...
>>48204731
Sylvanas is Kosak's waifu, so everything goes her way.
>>48188808
>>48188999
>>48189175
>>48194352
>A Dragon from the Ruby Flight.
>Ruby Flight.
>Ruby.
>>48204836
cmon now. The dragons are all going extinct either way.
>>48205016
Not if Alex starts making babes again. Or Kalecgos and Jaina.
>>48205026
they are all infertile and jaina is too old now.
>>48205056
>implying
Also Jaina's obviously using longevity magic like Aegwynn.
>>48205069
dragons are really infertile though. And the dragonbabbies are all fucking retarded.
>>48205080
Was it the Aspects being depowered that sterilized dragons?
>>48205095
yeah. pretty much.
>>48204420
If you're attracted to girls that are more muscular than most men I have some bad news for you.
>>48205095
No. That isnt stated anywhere and >>48205105
is talking out his ass.
>>48204731
Sylvanas is a a beloved queen in the same was Stalin was a beloved leader. If you don't love her, then you're traitor and get sent to the gulags (or whatever sex dunegon Koltiras is chained up in)
>>48205388
There's one quest in Legion (or at least was in beta) where a blue dragon flatout states that dragons are all infertile now.
Seems Blizz wanted to get rid of anything Knaak had done (which Tbh is mostly a good idea), and give him a giant middle finger while at it, so not only did they depower the dragon aspects, but also ensured that all the dragonflighs are completely fucked and will go extinct (probably pretty soon for most of them, considering how often dragons get killed by random murderhobos).
>>48196097
>Implying DKs are the real class leader
Hey maine, do you want some necromantic magic? It's gonna be fine.
You get to be immune to old god corruption and wear sarronite.
>>48189052
>Ogres never ever
>Non-darkspear trolls never ever
>Non-fel-corrupted orcs never ever
>Hench druids (wc3 druid of the claw style) never ever
>Dark iron or wildhammer dwarves never ever
>Other hero classes from wc3 never ever
>>48203301
I always find hilarious that DK chain of command will be permanently broken again and again because "MUH HYSTERIA" and leading from the front
>>48205026
>ALex
>Kalegos
Hahaha
Imma gonna make your king into a mommy, regards Wrathion
>>48205462
Non-fel-corrupted orcs = Garrosh, so everyone sees them as worse than green orcs
>>48205454
>immune to old god corruption and wear sarronite.
the undead are pretty immune to old god corruption.
>>48205462
>Other hero classes from wc3 never ever
Meanwhile, Demon Hunters.
>>48205483
What do you mean by this?
>>48205553
Wrathion/Anduin are pretty homogay.
Anduin's gonna be a mommy for the eggs wrathion stole.
>>48205575
I am okay with this.
>>48205575
I.....I will accept this and request more about this.
Please.
>>48205589
Go read up on the wrathion/anduin lore, iirc it got kinda shaft because blizzard isn't a fan of homogay and is even worse at keeping with lore-lines (this kills the chinamen).
Basically wrathion is stealing eggs from the past, common joke is since him and anduin are pretty fucking close (kid's got a fetish for black dragons man) and wrathion told him to "leave everything and come with me to explore the azeroth"
>>48196097
fury warrior is commonly considered to be the most fun and one of the most viable DPS specs in Legion. It's not General "TIP OF THE SCOURGE SPEAR, NO GREATER HONOR" Nazgrim, but it's something
you're at the Broken Shore when this guy comes up to you, slaps your gf's skeleton on the ass and tells you he needs to appropriate her for the good of Azeroth. What do?
Race hybrids that are canon are limited to only half-orcs, but where are the half-elves or half dwarves or half trolls n shit
>>48205874
>but where are the half-elves or half dwarves or half trolls n shit
when elves, dwarves and trolls start getting GREENED
>>48205807
ask to join the scourge world police.
>>48205918
theres a few half human half elves running around. even a single half human half nelf too mentioned in vanilla IIRC.
>>48201062
Ew, Legacy
>>48205807
Correct him, it's named the azeroth.
So did the chronicles introduce more problems than it introduced?
What would happen if the Burning Legion had invaded right at the beginning of WotLK?
Would Arthas have becoming an unlikely ally to the Horde and Alliance?
>>48206402
Arthas was the biggest threat to the Burning Legion on Azeroth from the end of the Third War to his death. There's a reason the leaders of the Scarlet Crusade were all dreadlords
>>48206384
second introduced should be replaced with solved.
>>48206402
best king would push their shit in. Remember, the undead are actively assaulting the legion held sunwell in the game.
>>48206402
>we will never live in a world where Arthas scourges Azeroth and then takes his undead army into the Nether to fight the Legion
>>48206954
>we will never live in a world where Arthas singlehandedly impregnates every named female character in the franchise
Why even unlive?
>>48207039
bruh...
>>48206954
Does Arthas justify the undead army as a way to fight the burning crusade somewhere? I've always assumed that was the case, but the cinematics and boss intros I remember don't mention this.
>>48207070
*Burning Legion
>>48207070
not anywhere in particular. That's what bolvar is doing though. If shit hits the fan, he is going to unleash the scourge.
>>48207070
I don't think he ever says it, but that's the end result of forming the Scourge whether he intends it or not. Once he's defeated every enemy except for the extra-dimensional army of demons that considers him a traitorous failed experiment, his hand is sort of forced
>>48207070
I'm not sure what his goal as Lich King was other than just ruling the world and eliminating his rivals. Some theorize he baited the Alliance and Horde into coming to Northrend because he wanted some outside help in killing off his local enemies like Yogg Saron and the trolls.
I don't recall Arthas or the Scourge giving a fuck about the Burning legion in Wrath, even when Mal'ganis and Varimathras tried to pull some shit.
>>48207130
the scourge was still attacking the legion held parts of the sunwell in tbc though
are there any good pics of vrykul women?
they tickle my loins.
>>48207118
>Old gods
>Legion
>Horde/Alliance being asswipes and infighting as usual
>yfw bolvar just gives up and OPENS THE FLOODGATES
>>48207160
I'm pretty sure that wasn't aimed at legion specifically, just the remnants of the army he used when he conquered Sunwell in the 3rd war, with orders to kill everyone they run into.
I wish draenei and belves finally got updated starter zones. Not much to do with draenei (finaly cleaned up after Exodar's crash), but Legion is a great opportunity to show up some more demon invading, but I'd love to see how Quel'thalas looks with undead gone and trolls defeated (twice). And propably more demons and/or naga.
>>48207442
Blizzard will just go with the excuse of Legion in theory mandating an update of all zones like Cataclysm and say they don't have time.
>>48205462
>Ogres never ever
Minor creep race
>Non-darkspear trolls never ever
Agreed, it's just a reskin anyway.
>Non-fel-corrupted orcs never ever
Same, I guess
>Hench druids (wc3 druid of the claw style) never ever
So... Night Elf Druids?
>Dark iron or wildhammer dwarves never ever
Literally who
>Other hero classes from wc3 never ever
Sure?
>>48207791
>Minor creep race
lol what, ogres are more important to the story than some playable races
>>48207704
Next expansion would be about time for another revamp. I'm so tired of Cata reference heavy zones.
>>48207704
Updatng older zones (perhaps including Outland and Northrend... going from Cata/MoP timeline to TBC and WotLK is pretty stupid... first, Vol'jin is the warchief (except Garrosh is refered as the warchief in quest zones), then you find Garrosh in OL, see him being a dick in WoLK and then being a warchief in high level Cata and MoP zones) and perhaps adding few new ones ala Cataclysm would IMO be a better idea than what's currently planned for Legion (and Broken Isles being one large continent? wut?)
>>48207865
Honestly, it would've been better if Blizzard released World of Warcraft 2 instead of WoD-style bullshit (and they propably should've done so after killing Arthas in WotLK, because that's when the storylines started in WC3 ended.
>>48204172
thank you. dickweed.
I can't be the only one who notices the obvious parallels between both WoW and SWTOR going full retard at the same time Story-wise
Even though Star Wars did it first, both apparently have now plotlines where the Player Character is some kind of rebellion leader, and ironically also called "Outlander".
>>48205874
>Race hybrids that are canon are limited to only half-orcs, but where are the half-elves
There are half-elves though.
>>48204420
>The human female model doesn't look like this
Just smother me to death with your thighs.
>>48206434
>There's a reason the leaders of the Scarlet Crusade were all dreadlords
Yes, because they were all stranded there after Archimonde went asplodey.
>>48207070
Arthas didn't, but Ner'zhul, the other half of the Lich King, did. He spent all of WC2X trying to cut ties between the Horde and the Legion, and then spent all of WC3 maneuvering to get revenge on them for turning him into the Lich King.
>>48205435
Did they finally get rid of Knaak, then? What caused it?
>>48208931
Knaak's stuff probably started messing up their planned developments. Like Maiev turning evil and training evil wardens to take over Darnassus etc.
>>48208931
they are agressively retconning his stuff with stuff that is far dumber.
>>48205874
>>48208323
Yeah, half-elves were a more established thing before the RPG was declared non-canon, and then they kinda fell into ambiguity, at least in large numbers. But there is at least one known half-elf, which is the son of Turalyon and Alleria who sits around in Hellfire Peninsula angsting or whatever.
>>48206384
I'm gonna be called a faggot, but I think it's fine. It clarified some things, made Lei Shen more awesome (too bad he's dead now, though), I don't mind the Void Lord or Burning Legion/Sargeras elaboration (and actually kinda like it). My only real issue from Chronicles is thatALL Titans (except Azeroth) were killed off-screen, which is very anti-climactic to me.
I'm kinda hopeful about Chronicles, because I feel like the reason why Blizzard made it was to more firmly establish a current canon to work off of for future expansions, instead of just constantly retconning, since it leaves some things open for the future. The writers have been saying things about how (as of WoD) they have the next three expansion stories or so planned pit, and I believe Chronicles is intended to play a part in that; both to hint at future storylines, as well as to something for them to work from.
>>48208998
and Knaak's Self insert's half elf babbies as well.
>>48209074
Also Alodi, the first Guardian.
>>48208962
That's good to hear.
>>48208966
I kinda doubt that.
>Blood Elves are still in the Horde
is there any faction that fits as little in with their Faction as the Blood Elves?
>literally no reason to be allied with undead humans of any sort
>no reason to throw their lot in with Orcs or Trolls
>don't even know Tauren
Draenei should have gone to Horde instead.
>>48209334
>is there any faction that fits as little in with their Faction as the Blood Elves?
The Forsaken with the Horde, especially with how the story has gone. Pretty much everyone in the Horde outright despises them for being assholes; pretty sure the other races have better relations than the Alliance at this point. At least the blood elves actually kinda like the Horde now.
>>48209334
There's been all sorts of weird alliances in history, like the one between the French and the Ottomans simply because of their mutual dislike for certain neighbors one or both powers had.
>>48209399
>>48209501
>Blood Elves have been at war with: Orcs, Trolls, Undead, Demons.
>They are allied now with: Orcs, Trolls, Undead
The Blood Elves literally had no reason not to ally themself with Stormwind and the Dwarves, especially since they shouldn't feel any love for the Forsaken.
Altough I agree that noone has a reason to be allied with the Forsaken at this point, but largely due to the fact that they were more or less written to be the new Scourge.
>Vanilla:
West and East Plaguelands overrun with Scourge, Forsaken fight for their survival against the Crusade in Tirisfal
>Arathi and Hillsbrand are returning to normality with settlers and whatnot
>Post-Cata: West Plaguelands are fine and East Plaguelands are controlled largely by the Argents
>Forsaken are the new super hitler killing Human settlers wherever they find them because "WE WUZ FORMER LAND OWNERS N SHIIET; OF GILNEAS TOO"
>>48209589
Blizzard shouldn't have pussied out and gone full 3rd Party with the Forsaken after the Wrathgate, all the undead arcs after that point seem like they were originally written with that in mind.
>>48209334
They wouldn't be in the Horde if it wasn't for Sylvanas leading the Forsaken.
>>48209604
>3rd Party with the Forsaken
And every Horde raiding guild rolled their fat asses out of their chairs to riot.
>>48209643
ironically 3/4th of the people who'd have complained then aren't even playing anymore today.
>>48209619
I can at least kind of accept the
>Alliance was too caught up in their own shit to help Quel'Thalas.
>Forsaken rolled up and offered to fuck up the mindless undead running around.
justification for being a little more willing to team up with the Forsaken then with the Alliance.
I still don't get why the Forsaken joined the Horde in the first place.Which is why I said 'fuck it, we AUzeroth' and changed some details for my campaign. Not like I need to worry about faction balance in the format.
>>48209794
Because Forsaken were led by their former Ranger-General and Belves were convinced about their motivation in fighting Scourge.
>>48205462
You've been able to play Wildhammer dwarves since Cataclysm, they look the same as Bronzebeards, where the fuck did you think all the Dwarf Shamans came from?
>>48209794
>I still don't get why the Forsaken joined the Horde in the first place.
Opportunism, and not much more. They were caught between both the Alliance and the remnants of the Scourge, so they allied with the Horde to get some support, with the offer that they'd be a foothold for them in the Eastern Kingdoms.
>>48205435
>>48208931
>>48208966
I'm no fan of Knaak at all but this reeks of literally soviet levels of butthurt and speaks poorly of personal integrity of whoever is responsible for the fluff.
>>48210526
Blizzard's writing staff is a big fucking mess. For example, everyone blames metzen for SC2's storyline, but he wanted raynor to be a drunk messed up has been who was obsessing over kerrigan. You can see his work during the earlier parts of WoL where he is struggling with drink and throws a tantrum on his ship.
>>48209589
>Blood Elves have been at war with: Orcs, Trolls, Undead, Demons.
>They are allied now with: Orcs, Trolls, Undead
And their prince allied himself with the Burning Legion. And even before the civil war that ensued, got his whole race addicted to sucking demon dicks
>Post-Cata: West Plaguelands are fine and East Plaguelands are controlled largely by the Argents
>Forsaken are the new super hitler killing Human settlers wherever they find them because "WE WUZ FORMER LAND OWNERS N SHIIET; OF GILNEAS TOO"
The only reason Sylvanas got away with that was because Garrosh out-Hitlered her
>>48210837
>The only reason Sylvanas got away with that was because Garrosh out-Hitlered her
Kosakwringinghishands.jpg
>>48209334
>leveling a blood elf
>hinterlands
>half of the horde side is helping a tribe of forest trolls
uh...
So, I discovered and started reading the Legion webcomics.
http://content.madefire.com/s-298c57876fb74447975e5e942695ddcb/index.html#
And the first one is actually pretty good, IMO. I also love the focus on the Alliance's One True High Queen.
>>48209987
They have sick tats too senpai, and where did all the dwarf mages and warlocks come from?? why can't I have burney eyes and black skin
>>48210648
>Blizzard
>Writing staff
Bad news daddy-o, the wow guys dont have writers. They have a guy or two that does select story bits, but the majority of lore is randomly made up by rando designers.
>>48209794
Interesting. In handout for players in my Warcraft campaign (set about the same time as vanilla WoW), I've used this table to show relationship between playable factions
Coal. is trade coalition of goblins (and their mercenaries
SW is Azeroth Alliance, consisting of Stormwind, Ironforge and Gnomeregan
Ther. is stand-alone Theramore, allied with Alliance, but not a part of it
Wild. are Wildhammer Clan dwarves
Note that some relationships aren't mutual: for example, Thrall's Horde doesn't like Alliance, but thanks to Jaina's efforts, they don't consider themselves at war with them, but the Alliance is hostile to them, but doesn't have means to lead war against them on a different continent.
Forsaken are neutral towards Blood Elves (thanks to Sylvanas), but belves still don't trust them (they don't see much difference between Forsaken and Scourge)
Goblins would like to be neutral (and trade and sell informations and mercenaries) to everyone, but nelves and Wildhammer dwarves don't like them because they are not enviromental-friendly
Scourge, Twillight's Hammer, Burning Legion and other minor factions aren't included, because they aren't playable and are hostile to everyone.
daily reminder that wisps harvesting lumber is canon and not gameplay gimmick
daily reminder that after Mount Hyjal, all three factions were on friendly terms
daily reminder that the areas of the Barrens under Horde control have large amounts of gold and silver as well as extensive amounts of grazing land
daily reminder that there is therefore no realistic reason for the Warsong Clan to return to Ashenvale except as a contrived plot device to force the night elves into the Alliance
>>48205612
Still think it's weird people are shipping a 16 year old with a 3 year old, but w/e.
>>48211220
Because the distances are obviously much larger than in game, travel takes long time, so the world is basically divided into 3 main areas:
Lordaeron/Plaguelands, with Forsaken, Sin'dorei, Wildhammer Dwarves, Stromgarde and Kul Tiras(as a members of Alliance) being the main factions. Scourge, forest trolls, ogres, some surviving orcs, Scarlet Crusade and various bandits being the main survivors Gilneas is hidden behind a wall and having a civil war.
Azeroth has most of the Alliance and Wildhammer clan, with Defias Brotherhood, Dark Iron dwarves, trolls, ogres, Blackrock Horde and few Twillight's Hammer/Burning Legion cultists as main troublemakers.
Azeroth has Theramore, Horde and Kaldorei fighting with natives, Twillight's Hammer and remnants of the Burning Legion.
Goblins are trading with everyone everywhere, but mostly with Horde (who's the most friendly with them) and Sin'dorei (who depend on their mercenary nature and supplies to even survive)
So what about Azuregos and his spirit healer waifu
>>48211376
because most of the autists that play WoW cant handle the idea that two male characters can be close friends without wanting to plow each others assholes into the next cataclysm.
>>48211137
I was talking about the rot that set in at blizzard then. WoL was not that well received if you remember.
>>48209334
Fucking pandas and DKs
>Implying they're not both spies
>>48211347
>wisps harvesting lumber
yes, it was one example of a gobbo having a bright idea,
>gold and silver make for good building materials.
>>48211449
>DKs
>spies
>implying.
>>48211441
This may surprise you even further then, Team 1 has fewer writers than Team 2 does. Story in SC has always been treated with a "who cares" attitude. Combine that with the only people who care about story going "full dad" and losing the stuff that gave them early warcraft and diablo and you get sc2, a game where a guy gets taken prisoner but still has his gun so he can pretend to shoot his girlfriend.
>>48211457
>>gold and silver make for good building materials.
>gold and silver aren't the defacto currency of the Warcraft universe and suitable for trade in all materials, such as lumber
>>48211470
>DKs
>Not spies
May you come with me to the apothecary anon~?
Sexy times ahead~ ~ ~
>The Worgen are getting new lore
>The Pandaren arn't
>>48211449
I hate the whole DK plotline with a passion.
They were an obvious cashgrab without farsight from the beginning, much like the Demon Hunters are going to end up.
>waaahhh Arthas betrayed us! I don't like him anymore now!
Bitch? You were a slave, he can't betray you, he used you as cannon fodder.
And now, you have them hanging around without purpose or goal, and their shitty pyramid is also floating uselessely around in the sky above an area that would have been vastly more interesting than them.
talking about useless deadweight, playing on a rather empty server recently I had visited some of the old regions and had completely forotten Shattrath existed.
Damn that place used to be a buzzing hive once, now it's like a washed up has-been, I felt truly sorry for all the NPCs too.
with all the Cata mumbo jumbo and then the Draenor shittery, Outland feels like an unloved child that everyone would rather forget about.
Not to mention literally everything about it blows for players coming out of a Cata Azeroth with modern quest design
>>48210837
>The only reason Sylvanas got away with that was because Garrosh out-Hitlered her
I wish the horde would just go back to being demonworshipping hitlers like in Warcraft 1 / Warcraft 2 instead of being DINDUs.
>>48211220
This may sound really dumb but, I've always wondered why the Tauren and Night Elves aren't allied. They're both tree hugging hippies who love the environment.
The only reason I can think of is because the Taruen owe their lives to the orcs for saving them.
Actually as far as the storyline goes in WoW why are players tied to factions? Gameplay mechanics aside it seems like players should just be able to be freelance adventurers; The plot seems to have both factions working together to stop an unspeakable evil so many times they may as well not be at war.
>>48211347
Daily Reminder
CURSE OF FLESH
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_of_Flesh
> The curse changed the structure and appearance of these races from their original stony/metallic forms into mortal beings of flesh and sinew.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:The_Mechagnomes
> And now, by way of thanks, he was going to return the favor by curing all of us of what he called the "Curse of the Flesh".
>According to Mechazod, it's a condition that eventually befalls all creations of the Titans! In other words, we all supposedly start out as robots of some kind, and, over thousands of years, slowly turn into fleshy beings!
Mechagnomes canon.
>>48205763
I'm tired of Fury personally. I hope Arms gets some love. It fits my toon better thematically.
>>48211479
She gave him the gun, but still, SC2 storyline was fucking terrible compared to SC1. HotS was the least shitty from the 3 games
And Kerrigan turning into angel/Xel'naga... ugh
>>48211561
what is being changed?
>>48211612
>Bitch? You were a slave, he can't betray you, he used you as cannon fodder.
>waaahhh Arthas used us as cannon fodder! I don't like him anymore now!
>>48211561
Golly, maybe pandas should wait for another expansion or something.
>>48211613
the faction locking really seems cynical at this point.
you have countless in-game groups that are bound to no faction and they have all kinds of races in them, meanwhile the player is forced to stay with either.
>>48208998
>But there is at least one known half-elf, which is the son of Turalyon and Alleria who sits around in Hellfire Peninsula angsting or whatever.
He's a fairly major character in Legion.
>>48211417
Yes, that is absolutely exclusive to WoW.
Wait what
Kijg Ymiron is alive and friendly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMsCdc3OBG8
>>48211645
the question here is, why would DKs suddenly care?
that has always been scourge tactic
>>48211485
Oddly enough, there were quests in Vanilla, and mentions in a few short stories, of the Orcs trading ore for lumber with the Night Elves, which also mentioned the Night Elves attacking the lumber shipments so they wouldn't make it to Orgrimmar.
So I think it's a case of Blizzard needing to make everyone retarded to make their plot "Alliance and Horde at each others' throats!" work.
>>48211634
Metzen said that he always intended Starcraft to be about a boy and a girl.
>>48211612
>with all the Cata mumbo jumbo and then the Draenor shittery, Outland feels like an unloved child that everyone would rather forget about.
Which is a shame. I like Outland, and TBC is probably my favorite expansion. I had my HS set up to Shattrath for a logn time before moving it to Dalaran to easier access to some Northrend content I'm farming, and have all my gear mogged into TBC tier armor (t4 and 5 look very nice on draenei paladin).
At least with demon hunters, they aren't as heavily tied to one particular character as the DKs to Arthas. Even after the Legion gets inevitably repelled at the end of the expansion, they'll still be around, and demons will keep being a major threat, so having demon hunters around makes sense (they've been around since the War of the Ancients, really, just in case Legion showed up again). DKs on the other hand became kind of pointless when the Scourge stopped being a real problem and their own story arc was concluded with the death of Arthas, with very little to go from there.
>>48211613
the weirdest thing about tauren is how like half of the Twilight's Hammer are tauren despite them being tree-hugging hippies like you said
>burning the entire world to herald the coming of the Old Gods? Sounds like something the great kodo spirit would approve of
>>48211723
he's not exactly alive, he'l in NOT!Valhalla
>>48211636
The only thing I know of is Genn Greymane becoming High King during Varian's (presumed?) death.
>>48211711
After I posted that I went over to WoWpedia to see if he's coming up in Legion. Saw that he was, which has my interest. He seemed like a very wasted character, despite his significant parentage.
>>48211755
Tauren are very naive and simple minded folk who live close to nature spiritually, the old gods are a part of nature and have easy pickings by corrupting tauren
>>48211730
It's all a plan to spy on the horde and alliance, the lich king isn't dead, bolvar is the new body but the lichking is the same, evil and eternal.
>>48211701
Lorewise the factions aren't even terribly relevant anymore. The Alliance and Horde lose most of their militaries at the Broken Shore at the start of Legion and in the demon invasions leading up to it, and the faction-agnostic Class Orders are lorewise the only major forces left on the planet by the time you hit level 101.
Knights of the Silver Hand and Ebon Blade are a more meaningful rivalry than Horde and Alliance, but we'll never see that represented ingame because it would ruin raiding.
>>48211750
I loved TBC when it came out, but going back to it's content now It has a sour taste.
It's so old now and time has completely stopped,
>>48211839
Silver hand and Ebon blade are a weird buddy/enemy combo.
>Implying buddy cop DK/Paladin isn't the best
>>48188808
I'd say dragon
