How is Anima: Beyond Fantasy?
>>48180175
Horribly complex.
>>48180308
Until you learn it proper, then is extremely easy.
>>48180580
The same could be said of 3.5, so that's not exactly a positive.
>>48180672
Same can be said for GURPS.
Anima is much like GURPS a retard filter.
>>48180175
old-school. spellcasters are meant to be more like Gandalf than Harry Potter. tables of percentages for margins. campaigns are meant to have a certain pacing that a lot of groups can't effectively emulate.
>>48180781
Huh. I already suspected that only retards play GURPS, but I didn't think Anima was the same.
>>48180834
Awww, lil baby can't do mathy. Probably artsy major too.
It's okay, D&D3.5 is right for you! Now fuck off retard.
>>48180860
IT and Translation.
Fuck 3.5 and you.
>>48180175
I've only had bad experiences with it. Too much crunch for me to find it enjoyable.
>>48180175
Damn, is that slut in front trolling around for dick or what?
>>48180912
>IT
Hahaha
What field of it? OH don't tell me, I'll guess.
You fix computers at a PC store.
>>48180966
Yes.
>>48180672
>>48180781
>>48180834
>>48180860
>>48180912
>>48180979
Ladies. Ladies. Ladies. Ladies.
You're both retarded.
>>48180979
Software.
Programming, design, the works.
And from a usability standpoint, this system sucks. Choppy translation aside.
>>48181025
>Programming
From a crunch standpoint the system is literally un-ironically great, which if you did actually program jackshit you'd understand quickly and in less than 2 games.
Unless you do shit like js or think php is good.
Read Core - Learn about Divine Magic
>>SO FUCKING COOL I WANT IT
Learn that you will never be able to do it and the system is made so that you can't do it by Gnosis rules
>>FUCK THIS
Really, the problem I have with Anima is that it appears to be High-Fantasy Exalted level, but when you actually read it you discover that the author was thinking "generic angsty-anime that doesn't know if it wants to be Berserk or Nasuverse"
>>48181090
I'm at game 0 because of the aforementioned usability issue and the resulting lack of potential users.
Notice how I didn't mention the mechanics at all? That's because a program can be the greatest ever; if nobody can be bothered to use it, it can't fulfill its function and is therefore useless.
Since a game is primarily intended for end users, usability is key.
>>48181175
Berserk's high fantasy IF you suck god-dick you get to be god-ish.
IE, you can get high magic by bullshitting tons or getting apostle'd and divine by becoming a god hand/DM fiat.
>>48180175
It's very complex, took me a whole week to make a decent character being a newbie.
Recomendad to start as something that doesn't use Zeon and avoid using Ki, and once you get the hang of all the basic concepts make a spellcasting character.
But it's aesthetically very nice compared to Dnd, and the system encourages roleplaying in the sense of interpretation and dialog over combat.
>>48180788
>campaigns are meant to have a certain pacing that a lot of groups can't effectively emulate.
Also that you're not supposed to min-max at all
>>48181175
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think about even experienced characters failing easy tasks more than 50% of the time.
>>48180994
What's her name and why does she need dick so bad?
>>48181682
I don't remember.
Because she was part of selene
>>48181682
>why does she need dick so bad?
Don't we all?
>>48181736
What the shit is a Selene, aside from a classic X-Men villain?
>>48181682
Celia.
>>48181808
Okay, so, why does she need dick so bad? Inquiring minds want to know.
>>48181803
Femnazi assassin cult of something.
>>48181582
>I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think about even experienced characters failing easy tasks more than 50% of the time.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>48181846
And they spend their time trolling for cock?
>>48180175
I'm hold onto my money for the next edition, "Anima: Beyond Anime".
I kid, I kid.
>>48181846
An easy task is difficulty 40.
An untrained check with an attribute of 10 has a total "bonus" of -15.
So you need to roll at least 55 for a success.
>>48181890
No, they don't.
That's why celia needs the D.
>>48181948
>Untrained
Untrained means LITERALLY you've never done a thing.
Ever.
Zero times, never thought of it, zero information, zero help, zero everything.
Of course you're set up to fail a thing you've never, ever done.
>>48181981
But training guzzles quite a lot of PD.
Too much for mixed classes, which need every single point they can get for their Primary Abilities.
>>48182015
>I want to do thing
>Okay, then you have to forsake other things to do thing really good
>WTF THIS IS UNFAIR! Why can I be good at EVERYTHING?!
You don't need to be trained in every single thing, nobody is. If you want to just get jack of all trades.
>>48182064
Just the basics every human being should have cost upwards of 100 PD.
>>48182015
Well yeah, which is why you generally either don't bother with most SA's and just pick a handful that you raise to bullshit levels. Moreover, the whole point of Mixed classes is that they get more combat versatility in exchange for out of combat versatility. You will not need most of the SAs either way if other party members can make up for your flaws.
Besides, even then you can get some SAs to decent levels thanks to the Core Exxet bonuses.
>>48182144
But that just feels wrong. That means that most Anima characters have never done many of the things every child would naturally do growing up.
Unbalanced as every other fantasy game: The more you go level up the more wizards and samecasters got the upper hand.
Good things? You can for sure made ANYTHING you saw in anime,manga,comic,series and a long etc. The ability system and the system of difficults are nice and you have a lot of good classes
Bad things? Complicated rules for players and DM, specially the combat
I think is fun but i recommend pathfinder better
>>48182115
Literally: Yes, and?
If you minmax most of your points into "Murder" you're going to be good at "murder" but shit at everything fucking else.
You're literally crying because you don't get to be great at everything, of course not you need to make concessions you can't expect to drop 70%+ of your points into combat and also expect to be GOAT at out of combat.
Also a level 1 min-maxed combat character (pure, not even going into mixed or weird combos) 240DPs to put in his lacking secondary skills, because most of his training is combat.
This and anima's timing are the two things 90% of people don't get:
An anima character who keeps up with his attack/def ratio to the 60% limit on combat IS going to be broken because the game doesn't expect you to, it expects you to have 100dps into assorted fluff secondaries, some DPS into your interesting skills, social skills etc... and like 40-50% on combat or so.
Plus anima PCs are always weird and abnormal people, hell wizards (human, mind you) are like 1 in a million. Even the most normal named NPCs are weird, even the dirty filthy peasant PC in anima gets so mad he isn't special he stabs reality until it makes him special.
>>48182225
>The more you go level up the more wizards and samecasters got the upper hand.
Not... really? Martials scale better than Casters.
>I think is fun but i recommend pathfinder better
Oh fuck off.
>>48182214
It means YOUR minmaxes characters haven't. Go look up official stats on the back of the book and calculate how many spares DPs they have for you to assign to random fluff skills. The only things that have asstarded skills are monsters. 'Cuz you know, the wake and shit. (Also they cheat)
>>48182225
>Anima
>Martials not OP as fuck as they go up in levels and scale into infinite
From line 1 you're wrong.
>Recommend pathfinder better
Kek, nice bait took it, 7/10 honest.
>>48182272
>Martials scale better than Casters
This is a fucking lie and you should feel bad for that. I can throw at you a summoner, warlock or even a combination of sorcerer and techinicist who can blown any martial you can bring to pieces. And im talking even technicist with Nemesis
>>48182227
>>48182281
So far, pretty much everyone has told me something different about what the system expects, so maybe they should have been clearer on what exactly is expected in the book?
The general tenor of what I read before was that putting as many points into "murder", as you put it, is the baseline, not min-maxing.
>>48182272
>>48182281
Samefag or just bad trolls? I dont even care but at least you should play over level 10 for start talking about OP
>>48182327
>this is what D&D fags ACTUALLY believe
Top kek.
Also
>Nemesis
>Really countering magic
Nemesis exist to fuck psy, binding and martials funnily enough. It does inconvenience wizards sightly.
Also to murder wizards via sneak assaults.
>>48182214
Well, I do think that the untrained penalty is a bit silly for physical abilities (though I'd say it's reasonable for social and intellectual skills).
>>48182327
>>48182357
Oh please, a level 10 or above pure Technician and Tao can just nuke everything in the vicinity and end it at that. Even without those you can grab a Shadow and have him Surprise-Alpha Strike anyone from a different dimension. Casters are strong, but they're much more resource and time-management reliant than Martials.
>>48182349
Yep, you're just retarded as fuck.
Same min-maxer kid as before right?
>>48182357
Literally the most "OP" murder character is a technician ninja.
Also, martials get to go on forever, while wizards get gated off at divine magic (and high magic before level 10/sanctorium) without DM fiat.
Also to have an spell do EFFECT you have to deal 10%+ damage with it. And in anima, you can actually defend vs that kind of shit, so yes, you throw a fireball, he cuts it in half and throws a sword, turning your insides and everyone's elses into paste because you have zero combat ability and he's basically a walking demigod.
Or hell, we can even go with the fucking WORST class in the game to go pure in: The weapon master. He gets tons of health shit to move faster, samiel and armor. Maybe artifacts too, but that's generally cheating.
I will post it in Spanish cause I'm not going to search for the description in English, but this is what Core Exxet says about what you should expect:
El concepto de Ánima es jugar en una ambientación de fantasía oscura. Los
personajes son individuos en un mundo de apariencia realista que se enfrentarán
a diversos peligros desconociendo que fuerzas tenebrosas mueven los hilos de
lo que sucede. Se encuentran entre la luz y las tinieblas, por lo que serán testigos
de acontecimientos que el resto del mundo ignora por completo. Deberán
combatir sus propios temores y luchar por sus vidas al verse mezclados en
historias ligadas a lo sobrenatural y entidades olvidadas que siguen formando
parte del mundo. Para sobrevivir tendrán a su disposición armas, habilidad, su
ingenio y las mismas artes sobrenaturales a las que afrontan.
El sistema de Ánima se basa principalmente en que los jugadores interpreten
a personajes humanos. La verdadera esencia del mundo de Gaïa se encuentra
en enfrentarse a lo sobrenatural como algo excepcional, sin perder en ningún
momento la humanidad. Es mucho más satisfactorio afrontar lo desconocido
como un mero hombre que siendo uno mismo miembro de una raza mística.
Sin embargo, también es cierto que verse obligado a llevar siempre personajes
humanos puede resultar monótono, y jugar de vez en cuando con algo diferente,
místico, es un aliciente muy agradable. Si los jugadores lo deciden, pueden
encarnar a un Nephilim: hombres y mujeres dotados de las características
sobrenaturales de otras razas.
>>48182527
In TL;DR English version:
You're in a dark world where you have to fight supernatural shit without losing your humanity, armed only with weaponry, skill, ingenity and the same supernatural arts that you're against.
The supernatural is something weird, estrange and uncommon. It is much more satisfying to fight off the supernatural as a mere man. But you also can play as a neph.
Also, remember:
INQUISITION.
I know a lot of players and DM that decided not to play in Gaia just because their use of the supernatural was extremely limited because using magic openly can and will cause you to be declared a heretic and be executed by the inquisition.
>>48182499
Just trying to learn about the system, you shit-flinging ape.
>>48182587
Entiendo el español, gracias.
The issue is not what I as a player have to expect from the game but what the game expects my character to be mechanically.
>>48182653
And most non-christians also don't fucking like magic. Because magic is spooky as FUCK.
Hell, the only way you'd get an Arguese and Kushistani together is "Kill the wizard", they'll set aside their differences and shank the wizard. It's like in shadowrun, instead of geeking you shiv.
>>48182661
Most people don't, that's why I did a TL;DR.
We've explained this to you again last thread, look at what the group lacks and how they're working with and what they lack and what would be a nice fit. Maybe they're all social characters and need a big strong buffed up combat monster with a total lack of social skills, doing his best not to fuck up any social interaction but still doing so, slowly getting more social skills as the group gets better in combat. Or maybe they prefer to be all balanced around and have a support to help them not die as hard in combat, etc...
Just like any other RPG, also check how your DM expects to do secondary skills and if he allows to "homebrew" putting the natural upgrades from core exxet as being trained (I do, because my players tend to go all in for combat and I'm not a fan of how anima does secondary skills).
https://mega.nz/#F!w0pTATCJ!AIlU1sVxmASerlUr27yrvg
Spanish, English, and Tactics.
A lot of contradicting information here, not sure who to believe.
Spanish speaker, I have read every book in spanish, player and GM. I can answer your question.
The system combat is a litle complex but very cinematic.
>>48182661
The GM Toolkit as one character for each class in the game, so you could use theme as examples of what the game expects mechanically form you.
Example: no PC in the GM Toolkit has more than 85 in Attack/Defence, so most of them spend 50% on Primaries and the rest on Secondaries
The Mage in fact "only" has Magical Projection 65 and ACT 40.
>>48182830
What contradiction information?
>>48182837
Is it like Exalted?
>>48182830
In general, not person that have only read the english version.
>>48182746
No group and no GM because of the nature of the system.
>>48182830
Welcome to /tg/. Hope you don't think about picking up D&D.
>>48182848
Not at all.
>>48182871
You're not playing alone, right anon?
DMs are rare>tfw working and you don't have time for shit
>>48182848
No, very little.
It is between D&D and Exalted in terms of potential power, but as some have said the game expects you to be a HUMAN who fights the supernatural on RARE OCCASIONS.
If you want to be a demigod from the start, this game doesn't encourage it but you can if you ignore both rules and setting.
>>48182885
I am not playing at all.
To further clarify:
If I am to ever have any hope of playing Anima, I will have to learn the system in a complete vacuum to a point where I can break it down far enough for my potential players not to go: "This looks even worse than the Bionicle homebrew we gave up testing."
>>48182848
No, your tipical character (if your gm is good) are semi-special.
There is a mechanic that is called "Gnosis" that is the importance yours in the world, being 20 a person that the history revolvs around you. The book expect you to have Gnosis 10.
In the lore, only 1 person have Gnosis 20
Also, 1 level is really important and can be the difference between life and death (or an arm)(also, if your gm is good)
>>48182902
In reality, the game expect you to fight supernatural as you gain levels. the line is around level 4-5
>>48182939
And before anyone asks, no. It is not possible to change your Gnosis without GM fiat.
Your Gnosis is your Gnosis forever. If it changes, it is because it was always that value.
>>48182969
Yes, it can be changed. There is a serie of spells that increase your gnosis, and this spells are not even great magic (alta magia, no se el termino en ingles).
>>48182998
It's probably 'High Magic'.
>>48182998
Chimera is absolutely NOT recommended even by the own creator of the game.
Why? Because it makes either the perfect target for a Valkyrie, you have to spend a LOT of points in hiding it (remember, all the changes of Chimera are physical, even those that increments INT; for example, you head gets bigger) or any conjurer can make his slave.
>>48180781
Tfw you think GURPS is the easiest system.
>>48183062
The best way around this is the Necromantic spell of the same level, which makes you undead so you are invlunerable to Dominate from conjurers except if they are also undead.
But it's still possible for a Valkyrie to appear hunting you.
>>48183062
There is at least other 2 spells that do the same.
The reason because is not recomended is because it transform you in a creature thar can be summoned, and then, can be dominated.
Also, there is a mechanic that can be called semi-legal, and that is be an ascended human - a human that attain superior gnosis by its own mean.
>>48183129
And thats, because it only appers in the lore. But again, almost every important NPC is a rule breaker (literally)
>>48183129
And sadly there no rules for it and the creator as explained on the Spanish forums that even using this you can't achieve more than 35.
http://www.edgeent.com/tema/39537-mecanismos_para_alcanzar_la_divinidad_o_similar_en_anima
>>48183186
That's why it's semi legal.
Anyway, there are "combos" for doing divine magic in combat.
>>48183223
Yeah, if you can find yourself a Node or obtain Gnosis 45.
Which according to the lore only one being with Gnosis 45 has ever walked Gaia.
Or obtain Megas Therion
>>48183064
I'll tell you a secret.It is, but people are seriously fucking retarded
>>48183274
Combos, no mechanic. you can also obtain Elan of Erebus, or combine certain spells that can be used to increase your gnosis to 40 in vigilia.
You are not in vigilia, create a portal to it
>>48183319
ALso when you leave the wake you lose the gnosis, since y'know, you wake up.
>>48183319
But everything you do with that Divine Magic will only count on the Wake, not in Gaia.
http://www.edgeent.com/tema/10374-hay_alguna_forma_de_aumentar_gnosis_para_usar_magia_divina_siendo_jugador_basico
>>48183391
This is correct
Personally I love anima, I use a lot of homebrew rules done by elric like those found here https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/66943-specialist-classes-mk2/
That said I can say while mechanically complex once you get a hang of it it's pretty reasonable. There are a lot of paths to power and supernatural abilities and every character becomes pretty flavorful and will be very "anime" cool if nothing else. As someone who runs at high tier (lvl 12+ with some min max characters) I will say the game requires some additional house rules past lvl 15 but most people won't have to deal with that.
>>48182692
Yeah, there are few places where magic is viewed as not-evil.
Alberria, if you're not being a shithead with it, the damned kids in Lucrecio tend toward it being whatever, and some, but not a lot, of Bahense folks.
p.s. if you go to Shivat(China) and cast spells, you're gonna have a REAL bad time, either through RAPED BY ONI, or getting shanked by the province's dedicated Exorcist Hit Squad.
>>48183062
>>48183129
Don't forget the Orb of "Oh, you're an unnatural creature now? Well this 400 base Control says you're mine now. Kill your friends."
Only surpass death avoids Orb, because Undead, but then you're asking Valkyries/Shinigami or the Black Sun to just come along and either murder your undead ass, or enslave it.
>>48184036
Pretty sure Lucrecio will get you raven'd for interrogation and recruiting.
>>48184055
Not entirely a bad thing, as Wiss is definitely one of the least Pants-on-Head Retarded organizations out there. You could get pawned off into Requiem. Or get processed into a crow yourself.If you survive the process itself, of course.
>>48180175
Overcomplicated. It uses a d100 and integers of +/- 5 modifiers for everything, instead of d20 and +/- 1 modifiers. You'd lose basically nothing converting it to a d20 system; Open Roll on a 19+ instead of 91+ and Fumbles on a natural 1 as if characters had Bad Luck. Give everyone +1 CP to compensate.
You could probably fold Agility and Dexterity into one Characteristic. Same with Strength and Constitution, Intelligence and Perception, and Power and Willpower. There's a lot of overlap and I don't think making a distinction between 'physical co-ordination' and 'physical speed' adds anything meaningful to the game.
The progression of DCs is incredibly inconsistent and punishing. From Routine to Impossible it goes 20 -> 40 -> 80 -> 120 -> 140 -> 180 -> 240 -> 280. Remember that barring open rolls (a 91 or higher) any Difficult (DC 120) secondary ability (skill) check is literally impossible unless you have points in the skill or ab obscenely high attribute, higher than you can reasonably have at character creation. In fact, because you take a -30 penalty to secondary ability checks that are untrained, even Moderate (DC 80) secondary ability checks are impossible without impossibly high stats.
Classes are mostly very similar and could have been boiled down to Fighter, Rogue, Wizard, Psychic, and Ki-User, or honestly you could just have everyone use the Freelancer DP costs and progression. You could also probably boil down Secondary Abilities to Athletics, Social, Perception, Intellectual, Vigor, Subterfuge, and Creative instead of using all those sub-skills, maybe throw in skill specialization for people who want to focus in something specific.
That's my gripes with the nuts and bolts of the system. I've got more specific complaints with a few other things (such as daily healing being stupidly slow, and Zeon reserves being both too large and recovering too slowly) but those are more cosmetic, more easily homebrewed-out content.
>>48184538
have you ever played an rpg? ever?
>>48184538
Ok in order: the d100 is perfect for the combat system, as you are dealing a percentage of your base attack (that is if you manage to attack with 50% of your 80 base damaga punches, you deal 40). this isnt 5e for you to simply say "a d20 is clean and simple so you should use it always"
the DC progression is punishing and inconsistant on purpouse, as from 180 you are doing imposible things. in fact, you forgot "inhuman" at 320 and "Zen" at 400 (you actually have to do special thing in-game for your characters to even be able to roll these, as gods would envy you)
reducing all the categories (they arent classes) to only the archetypes means mostly that you havent played the game. After theorizing and playing multiple campaigns i can tell you that sometimes not even an Acrobat Warrior can do the same as a Warrior (as an aside, weapon master is a pretty good category if you understand the shielding and Table mechanics).
Your critics only try to rip the game form its essence: complicated but specific and really good to make cinematic and ENTERTAINING combat. if you want simple d20 try 5e or numenera.
>>48184676
Several, what's your point?
>>48184794
>the d100 is perfect for the combat system, as you are dealing a percentage of your base attack
Not exactly, given how Armour Value works, but close enough.
>this isnt 5e for you to simply say "a d20 is clean and simple so you should use it always"
You're right, you shouldn't always use a d20. In ANIMA's case, where it uses d100 with multiples of 5 exclusively, the conversion is completely appropriate. I don't know where you're getting this '5e' vibe from, man.
>the DC progression is punishing and inconsistant on purpouse, as from 180 you are doing imposible things. in fact, you forgot "inhuman" at 320 and "Zen" at 400
180 is Absurd, actually, not Impossible (that's 280). Zen's also 440, not 400. As for the progression, I just find it strange that it doesn't use a more linear increase of DCs, like a lot of other games. Large intervals (like 40%, or even 60% and higher) make it so that characters tend to are either (a) incapable of even attempting such a task unless they get incredibly lucky with Open Rolls, or (b) so capable that they can't fail any challenge less difficult than that.
For example, any character with a +130 to a Secondary Ability would have a reasonably tough time with a DC 180 Absurd challenge (50% chance of success) and couldn't really try a DC 240 Almost Impossible challenge, but almost never fails a DC 140 Very Difficult challenge (90% chance of success) and can't fail anything Difficult or easier without a huge Fumble.
>reducing all the categories (they arent classes) to only the archetypes means mostly that you havent played the game.
I've played several sessions of ANIMA, the differences between (for example) Warriors and Acrobat Warriors are pretty minor. The main difference between classes are how they incentivize spending DP on some Primary/Secondary Abilities, and disincentivize spending points on others.
>>48185132
ive always thought that the "rounds to 5" is exclusive to enviroment checks, instead of crossed rolls (that means that in say, an intimidation, that 1% can matter). if not, one could literally divide the whole game by 5 and say "hey its done".
Although the roll table DOES trap the characters in certain levels, i thinks its a deliverate design choice.
i think the whole deal with categories is that one must choose the right spreedsheet to work your concept on. One can make the same concept with slight modifications in a lot of different categories. A nobleman with a rapier can be a Novel(lots of secundaries and moderate combat), An Acrobat warrior (lots of movement and agile movements on placing yourself) or a Weapon Master(he has a rapier and he REALLY knows how to use it) and all of them are approaches to make the same character.
I have personal beef with 5e dont mind that
>>48185840
>ive always thought that the "rounds to 5" is exclusive to enviroment checks, instead of crossed rolls (that means that in say, an intimidation, that 1% can matter). if not, one could literally divide the whole game by 5 and say "hey its done".
Sure, a 1% bonus can occasionally make a difference, but all the examples come with Secondary Abilities in groups of 5, so you sorta CAN divide most of the game by 5 without too much trouble. If you add a d100 roll to it, or compare a d100 roll to it, you can divide it by 5. Otherwise you don't (like you can't reduce Zeon, Psychic Points, or Ki Points).I have a houseruled version of ANIMA that does this, among other things.
>Although the roll table DOES trap the characters in certain levels, i thinks its a deliverate design choice.
Maybe. I'd love to talk to the author about this and see if that was deliberate or not. Personally I'd make the DC increases uniform, either linear (20 -> 40 -> 60 -> 80 -> 100) or using some kind of curve (like 20 -> 45 -> 75 -> 110 -> 150). The former is just a +20 to the DC each difficulty step, the latter is 20 + 25 + 30 + 35 + 40, and so on, to the DC. The way it is now just feels kinda... random. 20 + 20 + 40 + 40 + 20 + 40 + 60 + 40 + 40 + 120, cumulatively, is just so weird and unnatural.
>i think the whole deal with categories is that one must choose the right spreedsheet to work your concept on. One can make the same concept with slight modifications in a lot of different categories. A nobleman with a rapier can be a Novel(lots of secundaries and moderate combat), An Acrobat warrior (lots of movement and agile movements on placing yourself) or a Weapon Master(he has a rapier and he REALLY knows how to use it) and all of them are approaches to make the same character.
Maybe instead of classes defining the DP cost of things, they could just give you a bigger set of Innate Bonuses. That might be a lot easier to calculate and manage.
>>48182214
I think you're misunderstanding something. Stuff like Jump, Athletics, Swim and similar SA's aren't meant to be rolled to do things that your stats allow you by default, but for going beyond the limits of your stats with proper training,
Here's an Excel spreadsheet that shows how much you can do with just your default stats without needing to roll and what you get for beating certain difficulties:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/achafbfv8ogc1vx/MOVEMENT.xls
>>48185132
>where it uses d100 with multiples of 5 exclusively
Wrong.
Crits on doubles
Failures
>>48181025
>>Programming, design, the works.
So basically you're incompetent, but slightly less so than most others, making you a jack-of-all-trades who's more like a barely-above-sufficient-in-all-trades mediocre mong
>>48190093
Wow, you can insult people.
What a dazzling display of skill and competence.
>>48190112
He's right "Programming" is a huge thing. The design and "the works" part sounds like he's just jerking off and just a shitty webdev design.>tfw objc, swift, python, java, php, js, c#, .net and web programmer
>>48190142
Fucking webdevs
Roll20 gave me leukemia
>>48190315
Webdevs are people who think PHP and JS is good.
>>48182015
Mixed classes were goddamn awful at first, literally couldn't do shit right, they helped them with Core Exxet in the secondary abilities department a little
>>48180175
I have a hard time reading it, for some reason. It just doesn't make sense in a lot of parts. I heard it was translated from Japanese to Spanish, then from Spanish to English. That might be why.
>>48190398
>Japanese to Spanish
It's a Spanish original. The reason it's so hard to read is because FFG cannot into Iberia, and you'd probably be able to do a better job with Google Translate and a spot of logic.
>>48190412
FFG cannot into translation.
Ask the frogs and their weird WWII game.
>>48190007
>Crits on doubles
Cite your sources. There's an Open Roll on a 91+, might as well be on a 19+ on a d20.
>Failures
Fumbles happen on a 1, 2, or 3 on a d100 roll. You can make that a 1 on a d20 roll and treat everyone as having Bad Luck, and give them 1 CP to compensate, like I suggest here >>48184538 .
>>48190437
Wasn't gnosis, it was "quasi divinity" which allows you to crit on doubles.
Djinn fucking up with failure rate.
The complicated disadvantage for weapons, artifacts and ki powers.
Mastery.
Changing to d20 so far only shows bad things taking away mastery and player agency when building a character.
The only advantage is being easier for people that are godawful at math and I mean "never finished 3rd grade math"-bad.
>>48182466
Physical abilities also require training to do properly.
Example: look at most runners or lifters. They're fucking slowpokes and DYEL babbies because they don't learn proper form. Learning even a TINY amount of proper form gives an ENORMOUS benefit in real life.
>>48182466
>nuke everything in vicinity
Cute.
Try "everything in existence"
>>48190597
Tao Zan proved more than once that Technicians are the king
>>48190597
>Light/Darkness genocide is divine magic
>Ever reaching it
>Or hitting an all powerful martial
HOW CAN CASTERLETS EVEN COMPETE?!
>>48190412
Aaah, my bad. The point stands, the translation is... poor. I have a hard time figuring it out.
>>48190597
Oh please, you can't get spells that powerful without some serious fucking GM fiat. And even then an equal-leveled martial will turn you into fine paste smeared across a few hundred feet five times over while you're trying to accumulate the necessary zeon.
What is the campaign you want to run but never find people/time to do?Each player has their own end-game agency and tries their best to manipulate the group.
>>48190493
Don't forget the Crit on doubles enchant in Prometheum.
>>48190597
Guess who would punch that spell into submission. The Tao or the Techie, because Presence Extrusion/Aura Extension, and a quicker-to-accumulate-for-than-that-spell +200 Defense 10-turn Ki Tech.
Congrats, now they don't have to wonder where in a crowd/city/continent you are, since you're all that's left. Aside from the other Ubermartials.
>>48191743All PURE Daimah campaign, where the goal is to get from one town to another in a reasonable amount of time and with minimal distra-KITTY!
Maybe give them an NPC Jayan commander/babysitter who tries, but fails to keep them focused on the mission at ha-SHINY!
>>48193062
>Leader is full on monster from Samael
>His whole fucking face the whole time with the kittens
>>48193092
Exactly.
>"NO, Tizca. Put the human child back where you found it, we can't keep her."
>"Yes, Enraki, the amulet is very shiny, but I sent you into the store to bribe some information out of the merchant, NOT TO BUY THAT AMULET!"
>"WHAT DO YOU MEAN TAKKUN IS IN THE WHOREHOUSE AGAIN?! I swear, if he's asking the whores to 'touch fluffy tail' again, I'm cutting it off."
>>48193138
>Saturday morning cartoon inquisitor team
>Wissenchaft power ranger team
>Black sun legion of doom
>Nazi Azur Team
>>48191743A "magical girl" game, where the players each get a free minor artifact who's only function is a transformation that keeps their identity secret no matter if they're going Clark Kent. And they don't actually have to be mages, I just want the feel.
>>48193303
>Not having a magical girl for each specialization
>Weapon master is the cannon weapon master with a chainmail bikini
>>48193303
>>48193372
"In the name of Abel, I will punish you!"
>>48193429
Well that's just a young girl tricked into being an inquisitor while being told that the people she's killing are actually inhuman monsters pretending to be people...I love that idea!
>>48193429
Explains the empress' obsession with justice.
>>48193062
>The counter to a Technician is a Technician
>this makes martials balanced
nice joke
>>48193489
Isn't that literally the bearer's history in a nutshell?
>>48193498
Nobody ever said that martials are balanced, just that Caster supremacy ain't a thing.
>>48193489
We already have that in our party and she's a never-ending source of amusement and trouble.
>>48193498
The counter to a Technician is a GM saying "stop being retarded and actually try".
Everything else is fairly balanced. The only reason Technician is unbalanced is because it gets an absurd amount of MK just for existing. Ki is otherwise fine because everyone else gets it, just not nearly as much of it.
>>48193498
STUPIDO MAGO.
EL KI SOLO PUEDE SER DERROTADO POR EL KI.
[Spanish fighting magic intensifies]
Anima balance works like this:
Martial is god-like at murder. However that's all it does, murder and murder very fucking well. However learning it takes shitload of time unless you're real good at it.
Magic does a great fan of things, but it requires time, to cast AND to recharge.
Mentalism feels tackled on and has zero scaling and progression is all fucked. Otherwise does a bit of both, mostly dealing with the mind, fire, ice and physical dominions.
Summoning summons shit, same pitfalls as magic, time and dedication.
It's worth mentioning Artifacts in the balance scales of the game:
Ki-related artifacts tend to be really strong weapons, with bonuses to all Ki users need to murder stuff even more murderously.
Magic-related artifacts can do literally anything. Much like their users, and it grants the rest of the party that is not a mage the ability to use their Zeon.
Psychic-related artifacts are one of the best way to pump back a Psychic PC that started to act underwhelming in the later stages of the game. Since they Psychic Crystals are fluffed as "Some of the most common 'rare things' ever", they can easily boost a character's Psychic Potential without requiring shitloads of PD later on.
And for Prowlers... Literally any artifact can be done to suit their needs. Heck, Prowlers might be the crafters of the party thanks to their dirt cheap secondaries, and they can end up giving a lot of use to their skills while doing so.
>>48194182
Prowler if they go for the sneaky bullshit alpha will benefit from anything that gives them +damage
Also martials tend to benefit the least from artifacts (self made, best 2 weapons in the game (zelber and jesus' sword) are a martial wet dream) and power nodes.
>>48194068
I played once a Technicia/Warrior Mentalist who was Flash meets Hulk thanks to physical discipline and stat improvement with ki. He used Muay Thai, fun were had
>>48194042
This is very true.
>>48194068
Also very true.
>>48194182
Worth noting that Beefcake Martials(Weaponmasters and Warriors, namely) benefit greatly from Initiative buffers, as well as something to let them hit at a range if they don't pack ranged weapons.But a Jayan Weaponmaster packing a +15 Light Ballista is a terrifying thing.
>>48194240
Don't sell Haphastios or Susano'o short, anon. Tao love those gloves.
>>48196884
Zelber is arguably the most broken shit ever for anyone that can use a sword. Hell, if you get it your number 1 objective is USING it, that's how fucking good zelber is. Like the only reason not to is being a very high level tao with shitload of martial arts and even then I'd be hard pressed to give up zelber, from a 100% min-maxing stand point mind you.
Jesus' sword is beyond fucking broken, on the downside it looks stupid AF.
Anon, why the FUCK doesn't your mage know Tai Chi? Are they one of those weirdo spellswords?
>>48196993
>His "mage" goes into melee
>Ever
>Or knows faggy Ki shit
Hahaha.
Lmao'ing at your life you little mogrel wannabe martial, you're not pure wizard master race.
We'll hang you first in the day of the rope.
t. Yehudah
>>48196993
Don't forget Exellion, so you can PUNCH THINGS WITH YOUR VERY SOUL!
>>48197026
You laugh until your GM decides that he's had enough magic bullshit and drops some Edgeboy NPC with Nemesis on your party, only for him to get fucked up because your 15 POW feeds into your fists.
>>48197026
Yehudah, please. One chick with a whip and a cestus was enough to kill several of your sorcerer kings and loot a ton of shit from them.
>>48197057
He's just gonna annoy the summoner, but they're like second class wizards.
>>48197073
DELET THIS.
>>48197026
>Yehudah
>The guys who went "Baal is apparently trying to destroy creation itself and turn it into hell... Let's help him!"
You know that no matter what, you will always be a cliche BBEG organization?
>>48197057
If you're doing fuckery with magic the levels of DM being mad are
>Not really
Nemesis
>Kinda
Another wizard
>THAT'S IT, I GIVE UP, DEUS VULT.
Technicianninjas.
>>48197108
Yehudah is literally about or more retarded than selene. Discuss.
>jesus face when yehudah fucking shits
>>48196993
Excuse me, miss. I heard the words Punch-Mage and came as quickly as I could!
>>48197108
Who is more of a cliche, though? Them or Umbrell- er, Black Sun.
>>48197125
>Spoiler
Reminder that in a given room there could be up to fifty of those, thanks to Physical Change Ki Ability.Fifty seven if you count the walls, floor, ceiling, and door.
>>48197185
Physical change lets you change face-ish not full body iirc.
>they have nemesis and normal ki
>Just go around warping between walls and nuking your head clean off if you even dare to fail a notice
>>48197185
At least Black Sun has some interesting background, and "only half" of the corp is actually Umbrella. The other half is necromalchemy. So you can easily end up working for Black Sun in order to purge Umbrella.
>>48197540
>The other half is NOT* necromalchemy
>>48197540
Iirc the halfies don't like each other much.
Stein is the mercs and the other part, delacroix, is umbrella.
>>48197309
Superior Change allows for non-human/inanimate elements.
Hey there, anyone with extended experience with making their own Tech trees? Only after discovering this thread have I remembered that I have about three started that I forget to finish, since the games I was in with those died before they started.
>>48197736
The first one I started was also the one I got furthest with. I was a bit of a minor edgelord then and wanted something that was metal as fuck.
>Named "Blood & Metal"
Steel Guard
Level 1
MK: 20
Turning his forearms to metal, the defender stands his ground against attack. Due to the slowness of his actions, he cannot retaliate with a counter attack.
Ki costs: Dex 3, Str 3 (Maint. 1).
Effects: Limited Block Ability (+40), Maintained
Type: Action (Defense)
Demon's Pounce
Level 1
MK: 20
Rushing with a savage fury not unlike a devil, the attacker almost seems to fly as he instantly rushes forward to strike his enemy, leaving behind him a fine red mist.
Ki costs: Dex 6, Str 6, Agi 2.
Effects: Attack Ability (Single) (+40), Automatic Transport (150 feet)
Type: Action (Attack)
(One that I had a name for, but had no description for)
Blood of the Dying Phoenix
Level 2
MK: 55
Ki costs: Dex 6, Agi 5, Str 5
Effects: Long-Distance Attack (Single) (300 ft.), Elemental Attack (Fire, Heat)
Advantages: Reduction of Ki 4
Disadvantages: Limited Circumstance (Suffers Damage)
Type: Action (Attack)
(And one that I don't have a name or description for)
Level 2
MK: 40
Ki costs: Str 6, Agi 6, Dex 7
Effects: Damage Augmenation (Single) (+75), Area Attack (Single) (80 ft)
Type: Action (Attack)
Feel free to call me shitty, this is 4chan afterall. I'm not a powergamer, I just play casually.
>>48197803
Edge aside, not a bad tech tree there.
>>48198387
Thanks bro, any suggestions to fill the fluff of the last two? As well as any ideas for a capstone ability?
>>48198440
Hmmm...
>Blood of the Dying Phoenix
>In a fiery flash, the user channels the pain from his injuries into a searing spear of fire that is then hurled at an opponent.
Or something...
>other level 2
>Raging Dragon Sweep
>Channeling his fury into his weapon, the attacker swings it in a circular arc, not unlike a dragon annihilating a surrounding army with it's tail.
As for the Capstone?
Offensive:
>Rampaging Behemoth
Level 3
MK: 100
The attacker stampedes forward, crushing everything that attempts to bar it's progress like the legendary Aeon Behemoth.
Ki costs: Dex 16, Str 16, Agi 16
Effects: Long-Distance Attack(Single)(1500ft, Projection, Path of Destruction), Damage Multiplier (x3)
Type: Action (Attack)
Or Defensive
Gaia Titan
Level 2
MK: 95
The defender's entire body solidifies into a mass of living metal, capable of ignoring all but the strongest of impacts.
KI Costs: Dex 20, Agi 20, Str 20(Maint Dex 7, Agi 6, Str 6)
Effects: Armor 6(Unmodifiable, Slow), Accumulation(800 LP, Regeneration 250), Maintained.
Type: Action (Defense)
>>48200009
Gaia titan should say level 3, my bad.
>>48181783
Well, I need a pussy...
>>48200203
You need a dick, you're just too blind to see
>>48200009
That's fucking awesome bro, thanks a million! Imma gonna take both those level 3s.
oh god what am I doing someone stop me
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(old) http://pastebin.com/6ZxECTue setting briefing, mostly from core
http://pastebin.com/ppxGw5pJ new player tips
http://pastebin.com/RuV2kHhX skill squash
http://pastebin.com/w76DMibW wrasslin' expansion
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>>48181006
Ding ding ding we have a winner.
The aim should be to make a game, not a fucking life simulator.
>>48201054
I generally like how you've changed Skills. Well done!
I'd recommend changing the first two Skill groups so you have this instead:
<Physical>
Acrobatics | DEX | Acrobatics, Jump, Ride
Athletics | STR | Athletics, Climb, Swim, Feats of Strength
Vigor | WLP | Composure, Withstand Pain
That way you avoid any strange calculations wherein Feats of Strength adds to Athletics.
Unfortunately this makes things messy for certain Classes that have different DP costs for Athletics and Vigor skills, mainly the Weaponmaster (2 and 1 DP) and the Thief (1 and 3 DP, respectively). I'd just give certain classes something like this:
Thief Special: The Vigor costs 3 DP to raise (instead of 1 DP like Athletics and Acrobatics).
Naturally this is a whole lot of work for not a whole lot of benefit, but it's just what I'd do in your shoes. Take that for what it's worth, I guess.
>>48201968
ONE DAY I WILL REDO CLASSES
ONE DAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I might do that. It took a while before the people I play with and I realized how feats of strength is meant to work (as a boost to the characteristic), so we just kept using feats of strength as a basic 'can you lift heavy things' check in place of/beside the strength check.
>>344517340
>>48182225
>wizards and samecasters
By samecasters I assume you mean "literally everyone" but Weapon Masters, and m8, if you have seen a late-game Weapon Master, you would know how hilarious bonkers they are.
We've had fight where most things would instant kill each other, until they went for the "Mundane" weapon master, who just took the blow head on, took absolutely 0 damage, and proceeded to wreck the poor sod who thought he was being cool with his flashy moves.
Aside from that, also note that the truly stupid shit happens at level 10+, and most of even the epic level monsters and dramatis persona are all AT MOST in the early 10s.
>>48205409
>weaponmaster+magical weapons+samiel+shitload of HP
>With massive weapon for massive damage
>We got GoM as an OK/mediocre action game
>Instead of a dark and gritty party RPG where you have to unveil a conspiracy, join them or similar in Azur or similar authoritarian shithole like argos or lucrecio
>You'll never min-max your party to avoid the nazi-wizard squad tearing you appart
>You'll never end up trying to mantain your PC alive after he's been dismembered by a critical attack and you craft him an artifact arm made out of a monster bones
Just destroy my eternity up.
>>48206202
>Monster bone prostheses
Since you mentioned that, my character has been making those for kids in Lucrecio as a side-job/cover for the fact that he(and the rest of the party) are on pretty awesome terms with Wiss.
Weird thing is that most of the limbs are made of dragon bone, because something that is NOT the party has been absolutely murderfucking the awakening dragons hardcore, but leaving their savaged corpses behind within a circle of decimated ground.
IC, no idea what's doing it.
OoC, I'm 90% certain it's Behemoth.
>>48200796
Glad you like it, man.
>>48207331
>that filename
what
>>48207435
Quote from Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen, specifically the boss of the DA part, Daimon.
Extra specifically his second form, in which the face in his chest wakes up.
