>This is your BBEG for your next run
How does your team defeat her?
Epic Level Drunken Wrestler; level 47 human monk
My body is ready. Go for the suplex, accidentally befriend her, become great pals and drinking buddies. Afterwards, lewd.
>>48179886
By telling her we have no idea who she is.
>>48179886
Orbital bombardment.
>>48179886
I smack the shit outa myself for including weeb crap in my game and let someone else GM.
>only a moderate level mage with elemental powers and wrestling prowess
She's not gonna put up much of a fight, really.
>>48179886
Ask to join her service, proceed to have fun bodyguard/butler Ojou-sama adventures
>>48179886
I jackhammer her anus so hard, she turns into a sword.
>>48179999
Check'd
>>48180037
The only true choice.
>>48179886
Who?
Is she the new flavor of the month for /tg/ and /a/? Every once in awhile there's a shift in which "waifu" folks obsess over I've noticed and she's been growing in popularity over time.
>>48180434
Because it either wormslut, >Rin or Finnish perfection. Not a hard choice.
>>48180462
Sausage curls a shit
>>48180477
She's actually second best after Taiga.
>>48180462
You'll forget her and move on in another year or so.
It'll be easy for you too; since she can't love you back or even acknowledge you your emotional attachment will be fairly thin in general and in lieu of actual satisfaction you'll find something new to obsess over.
>>48180477
They're breadsticks. The tastiest of hair styles.
>>48180462
>Not waifuing rider
Anon, I am disappointed
>>48179886
Reminder her thatSHE HAS NO ROUTE & THUS CAN NEVER GET WITH SHIROU
>>48180867At least she doesn't please old men for gems!S-s-so shuddup! ;_;
>>48180751
But isn't she a lily-lover?
>>48181018Fate hollow ataraxia has her try to seduce shirou, whilst mind raping him to think she's sakura.
>>48179886
Sacrifice the sword to her.
>>48179886
I do a high jump
>>48179886
JDAM's
Ace Combat campaigns are fun.
>>48179886
I betray my temmates in the hopes she'll let me be her personal assistant.
(Sexual) Bullying would be a nice addition, but not required.
>>48180477
>implying you would be happy to have her curl your sausage
>>48179886
Headpats. Either she likes it and submits, or it ruins her haircut she has to retreat in shame.
She's not even a moderate threat. A lvl2-3 D&D party could fuck her up without any issues.
"Oh look, another one-dimensional anime character."
>>48181261
She's two dimensional anon, you can tell because she isn't a line segment.
>>48181261
>all anime characters are one dimensional!
in the trash you go, faggot
>>48181018
Rider is bi, anon.
She just has bad prior experiences with dudes.
By making GMs mum block all anime torrents on his computor so he can't watch shitty fotm anime and draw inspiration from them.
>>48179886
Rape, murder, arson and rape.
>>48181456
You said rape twice.
>>48181393
>fate
>shitty fotm anime
I don't think that means what you think it means
>>48181456
>implying she won't be the one to do the death-rape
>>48181496
I like rape.
>>48181338
That generalization may be incorrect, but he's certainly not wrong about Luvia, nor anyone else in Fate.
>>48181763
>shiro is one dimensional
I laugh at you.
>>48181781
You're right, he's clearly two dimensional.
>Worse-than-Shinji-tier whiner.
>Muh justice, muh heroism, muh ideals.
And even then, the rest of the cast is still bland as fuck. Fate had so much wonderful potential, but it was all tossed away for self-insert otaku fantasies.
>>48179886
With great prejudice.
>>48181781
Damn right he is.
>>48181878
"Potential" doesn't mean anything in creative contexts. That you could imagine good things to do with a setting doesn't mean there was ever any chance that it was going to happen.
>>48181904
>>48181878
>hasn't read tsukihime or ataraxia
>>48181935
I'm not going to play the game which among all of Nasu's retardations was singled out to be a meme for its edgy writing.
>>48181904
>"Potential" doesn't mean anything in creative contexts
Well, you just gave it a definition. I should have said Fate "has so much". As in, I think someone could do good things with it, but I never expected it from the original because I knew what I was getting into.
>>48181878
>>48181904
>he hasn't read the VN
fuck off secondary
>>48181959
>tsukihime is edgy
>atraxia is edgy
Not that anon but holy shit you are retarded
>>48182037
>If they disagree with me, I'll just call them a secondary and tell them to fuck off!
>>48182037
>>>/jp/
Reading VNs used to be considered shameful outside of /jp/, in better days.
>>48182046
Didn't mean Ataraxia, never heard of that shit outside of Epicurus.
>>48182059
If you are saying that not reading the VN is okay for any TM stuff then you are autistic.
>>48182069
>reading VNs
>in a series that mostly made exclusively VNs
>>48182094
I'm saying you're here acting proud about some shit that's leaning heavily towards the other direction.
>>48182112
Literally what? You can't say shit about something when you haven't even read the whole thing.
>>48182079
I'm saying that your argument consisted entirely of saying I haven't read the VN. You didn't even make any effort to refute my claims. As such, I must conclude that you have no actual argument.
>>48182146
If you have limited knowledge of something, you are not qualified to criticize it. That's my argument. Since you have not read the VN, you are not qualified to criticize the characters.
>>48182166
I'm not >>48182069, just so you know. Still waiting for you to actually explain why I'm wrong. Use evidence from this VN you claim I haven't read.
>>48179886
Orbital Bombardement by Nova Cannon probably. They have an Armageddon-Pattern Battlecruiser.
>>48182254
Overkill but effective.
>>48182134
You can, actually. If a book is pretty bad there's no reason to read it all or its sequels before passing judgment.
>>48180867
>Shirou
It's "Sherro" you fucking nerd this is a Luvia thread
>>48179886
Quit the game and tell the GM to go fuck himself.
Fate/Stay Shitters are only more obnoxious than every other overly-obsessed anime fan because they've been talking about the same thing for over a decade now.
I love the shit out of Doom but taking it any further than playing a character inspired by Doomguy is stupid borderline That Guyism shit.
Alternatively, quit shitting /tg/ up with tertiary F/SN threads, most of you fuckers have zero interest in making either a full rip of the character or your own OC highly inspired by them anyways.
>>48183254
>I love the shit out of Doom but taking it any further than playing a character inspired by Doomguy is stupid borderline That Guyism shit.
I'd be impressed if you could take it any further because there's nothing else in Doom. Making a character based on Doomguy would just result in an incredibly dull character. Doom is very shallow.
>>48183303
Summoner bringing forth various Demons as his minions?
>>48183325
This is such a generic concept that I wouldn't even think of Doom.
>>48183254:'^(
>>48182134
You very much can - it just severely cripples your arguments, since anyone who has better knowledge of the subject would be able to refute the accusations easily by citing the original material.
>>48182166
I read F/SN. It was really really bad even for a VN.
>>48183303
>Doom is very shallow
Well, it's tied with Fate there though.
And yeah. Most of this thread is /a/ waifu discussion. Why, in the holy name of fuck, do these people keep starting these threads if they know that neither they nor anyone else is actually interested in any /tg/ talk, and will just commence to talk best girls? Is it that the degener/a/tes are calling out their shit taste and ruining the circlejerk that /tg/ is too weary of even touching most of the time, so it can go on unmolested?
>>48183944
>Well, it's tied with Fate there though.
Not even close. Regardless of whether it's good or bad, Fate is chock full of all sorts of shit. Doom just has demons and doomguy.
Imprisonment and brutal orc rape. The death part comes when she dies givinfg birth to my half orc bastard who is then sacrificed to Bhaal
>>48184059
> Fate is chock full of all sorts of shit
Width != depth. Duel Savior and Baldr are also full of all sorts of shit, but they are maybe just a bit less shallow than Fate. Ungodly long shonens are full of all sorts of shit, but nobody in their sane state of mind would question how shallow those are. I hope I don't have to explain using an example from every kind of media there is.
Point being: just having plot twists and some foreshadowing does not work as instant layering of the story, setting having a ton of elements does not equal any meaningful or beautiful idea or execution to it, and your waifu is not a rich and developed charactershe's actually a shit y'know.
>>48184172
>>48183944
>doom is deeper than fate
You're retarded.
>>48184215
Eh, if you were not retarded, you could notice that my post said :
>Well, it's tied with Fate there though.
Not >doom is deeper than fate.
And even that was rather ironic, just poking fun at the idea of supposedly a story-driven piece of fiction ultimately being as shallow and empty THE FPS of Gruesome-Violence-and-Nothing-Else. Difference is - dumb FPS about turning everything ever into gibs actually acknowledges and embraces what it is, allowing the simple core concept to work perfectly and ensuring it's ungodly popularity and cultural impact upon an entire medium of entertainment.
Meanwhile that one VN dwells on denial of it's masturbatoryand yes, it IS masturbatory even outside of the explicit content - even more so there, and that's the worstnature, which is why none of it's potential was never realized, securing it's status as the epitome of low-quality niche entertainment for despised basement dwellers with no taste.
>>48184386
>doom is as deep as fate
>>48184492
No, no, you just keep getting it wrong.
It's not that Doom is as deep as Fate. I'm saying that Fate is as shallow as Doom.
Please stop pretending to be retarded, it's impolite and makes this thread dumber that it already is.
>>48184552
>Fate is as shallow as doom
Keep going, this is some good shit.
>>48183944
your post reeks of pretentious "anime is for kids" bullshit
also
>hating anime
>on 4chan
>>48184580
But it is. Feel free to argue otherwise or be BTFO.
>>48184614
You haven't exactly put forth any actual arguments of your own, m8.
This whole conversation has been a back and forth of 'uh huh' 'nuh uh'.
>>48184607
>"anime is for kids"
I think you're onto something here, this guy works for 4kids. He's trying to ruin our chinese cartoons!
>>48184607
Anime is not for kids. It's largely for basement dwelling 20-someting social misfits and weebs. It can even be good fun for basement dwelling 20-someting social misfits and weebs, when it actually acknowledges itself for what it is and not trying to pretend to be a well thought-out piece of fiction with any actual idea or effort behind it's set-pieces and characters - that would require their authors actually leaving their parents' homes for awhile, talking to other people or at least having some exposure of world cultures beyond reading D&D rulebooks.
>>48184645
Eh, original claim was of Shiro being a cardboard cutout of a character. I don't know how to prove his absence of qualities, since it's not impossible for him to have them - it's the realization that is botched up. On the other hand, it should be fairly easy for an involved fan like you to prove me dead wrong in my tracks with just a few good examples from the original material.
>>48184768
Nice assumptions. Try watching some children's anime next time.
>>48184925
>- Your post reeks of pretentious "anime is for kids" bullshit"
>- No that's not what I was implying
>- Ha ha joke's on you - I was pretending to be retarded and you have activated my trap card! You SHOULD imply that anime is for kids!
Sure sounds like a reasonable discussion.
>>48185005
Anime is for all ages you autistic trog
>>48180507
There are three Taigafags on /a/. Which of them are you, and why have you left your containment board?
>>48185043
I positively fail to see how existence of Pokemon and Sailor Moonstill largely possessing faggotries of legally adult menand the likes is relevant to my posts supposedly "reeking of pretentious "anime is for kids" bullshit". What are you even trying to argue at this point?
>>48185224
>implying people can't like a character
>implying /a/ is a containment board
>on 4chan
>>48185226
What I mean is there exist anime for both adults as well as younger children and teens. The age demographic for anime is not restricted to onr age group. Such is the nature of something being a medium and not a genre.
>>48185280
>What I mean is there exist anime for both adults as well as younger children and teens
Well good for them. And? You just interjected into another discussion to protect the honor of the grorious nippon animation from some asshore who dares to not acknowredge arr of it's beautifur variety in every sentence with the most riterar definitions?
>>48185372
Nice strawman. You are still a cum-guzzling retard.
>>48185412
Sure thing. Have a medal for showing a cum-guzzling retard his place. Apparently, said cum-guzzling retard will never hear any argument for the depth of F/SN characters. That a mysteria to be kept for ages to come.
>>48180434
It's because of how Tsundere she is towards the true object of her desires.
>>48181352
Half the cast of Fate is Bi. Rin, Rider, Saber, Gil, Caster, the list goes on.
>>48180867
She doesn't really want Shero anyway. She wants Rin.
>>48180508
Luvia, like other Nasuverse girls, has been a thing for a few years. She's just gotten a spike in popularity.
>>48185224
I'm a Taigafag, but I don't go on /a/ often.
>>48185547
But Rin is only for old men!
>>48179886
Who?
Ah, judging by the thread, something we can judge our DM for and bully until he scraps her sheet.
>>48180507
Taiga is great, yeah.
I'd a Sella.
Sella a great.
>>48185566
Technically, most Magi in Fate are bi.
Not because they are sexually attracted to both genders, but because they don't care and simply want an outlet for this biological frustration so they can get back to their research and plots to fuck over their enemies and people that can become their enemies; and also because some rituals and tantric in nature.
Shirou's harem is an exception, not because they are genuinely bisexual, but because they actually like each other enough to fiddle with each other while being uniquely Shirou-sexual rather than just waiting around.
>>48187162
That's a lie.
>>48180508
My guns love me back, dammit!
Why can't the universe let them turn into a humanoid form like in Upotte. . .
I WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY LITTLE PSYCHOTIC RUSSIAN GIRLS, DAMMIT!
Smol AK would be adorable. . .
>>48187631
Shirou is living the dreamand the nightmareof life
>Fate Extella
>Gaiwan is on team Nero
???
???
>>48187631
I'm pretty sure a few of them are genuinely bisexual.
>>48188194
I doubt it's true bisexuality, it's probably just hedonism.
>>48180462
I'm more of a Karen fan myself
With dakka. Whoever this animu girl is and however overpowered she is.
Nothing beats apocalyptic amounts of dakka.
You can't even bet on orkish inaccuracy, because the air is fucking made of lead and rockets.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
>>48181314
Smartfag plz go
>>48188315
Gunbuster is a show that has more Dakka in a single episode than 40k Orks have ever had in their entire product line.
Motherfucker, you don't even know Dakka.
>>48188230
It's kind of a shallow reading to think that their sexualities begin and end with the Emiya D.
>>48188368
The mating habits of Neo-Nobility magic inbreeding folk somehow manage to be both shallow and politically complex.
Gotta get some of dat research boy, that's the real good shit, if your smart, you won't kill yourself in a Workshop-based accident or get offed by some guy that thinks a microscopic portion of your actual research might aid him in some vague manner.
Seriously man, these are people that voluntarily get impregnated just to vivisect the child to see if it has any secrets pertaining to their own bodies and bloodline magics once they already have a single real heir. Love was never factored in.
>>48184172
>Duel Savior
But Duel Savior isn't full of all sorts of shit. The setting covered by the VN is fucking tiny and is never expanded beyond that. Unlike with Baldr and Fate, you can just assume that everything exists within a 100 square kilometer distance.
>>48183254
>Fate/Stay Shitters are only more obnoxious than every other overly-obsessed anime fan because they've been talking about the same thing for over a decade now.
Honestly, this. ESPECIALLY the power wankery. An entire group crashed and burned because my Servant put up a barrier that didn't immediately disentegrate when Excalibur (someone else was playing Arty) slammed it so he could get the fuck out of there.
One player found out and went full nuclear and started flat out destroying character sheets and shit. They weren't even fucking Artoria's player. They were just mad my guy survived that and threw such a tantrum the GM called it quits. It's fucking unreal.
I've sworn off any Fate related /tg/ shit since then.
>>48188980
I'm pretty sure the problem was that person has asburgers or some shit, but I don't think fate would really work that well as an rpg due to most fights involving hard counters that make sense in a story where you pick only certain outcomes. The setting itself could probably work, but it's basically just Japanese WoD
>fatefags defending their shit franchise
>>48190219
Fatefags CAN'T defend their shit franchise, they have no argument, that's why their strategy has always been to try to defuse it through "well eh to each his own or something" followed by turning it into the same cancerous waifu discussion and meme posting that all their discussions are.
>>48179999
EHEHE.
Does she need verbal components to cast? If so, Silence. I'm unaffected, because I've got a vow of silence already. She isn't. Then I just get her in range of the silence and spam full-push spells until the surrounding area is Tzeentch's plaything and win.
Chosen of Tzeentch, not even once.
>>48190245
And that's hilarious.
Last time we did this thread it was so comfy. What the hell happened?
>>48190333
>>48190333
Something triggered the anti-weeaboo posters (on 4chan) this time
>>48190333
/pol/tards and wannabe "elite gamers" whose pretense at intellectualism is ruinign /tg/.
>>48190367
Yeah, Fate shitposting is definitely the way to make /tg/ good, isn't it. I mean, the OP contributes so much to board quality, what with its encouraging people to give a few details about their current characters in a context where there's nothing for anyone to do with that information. You want "comfy VN discussion" you can fuck off to /jp/, aka the board for discussing visual novels.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "only the rules matter, and only rules discussion goes here" autists. I'm all for letting the rules take a back seat in order to encourage creativity, because strict policing ruins creativity. But this thread, with the topic of Fate which is barely ever related to any traditional games, and almost always just turns into a waifu circlejerk, together with what the discussion, or lack of it, that OP asks for, is pure shit. "How does your team defeat her", what the fuck is that supposed to turn into? Where can you take that? I mean, not to mention it's some niche game in a niche medium that allows virtually no roleplaying due to the limited options inherent in the format, and no info on the character given, meaning that to begin with it's just nobody but circlejerking Fatefags who can answer the question, thus limiting it all rather much from the get go.
>>48184768
Look, Fate is fucking retarded but it is not because of its characterization.
Shirou is a cognitively dissonant character whose ideals and behaviour changes dependent on the Route you play. His actions are based on those ideals and his personality, rather than plot contrivance.
Take, for instance, his martyr complex.
A lot of the story is about his development into someone who stops self-destructively drop everything in his own life in favor of helping others. Assisting Issei at school all the time, chilling out with Illya because she seems lonely (even though she tried to kill him), and basically the entirety of the god-awful Fate route is spent trying to be a chivalric knight for Saber (who isn't having any of that shit of course).
Shirou, additionally, is not stupid. He just has really fucking stupid priorities because his personality is a poorly-made simulacrum of what he imagined Kiritsugu would have liked.
The character as conceived has the potential for very interesting stories based around him, and again, each route present a fairly organic character arc. That amount of malleability is difficult with a one-dimensional character, no?
The reason F/SN is garbage dishrag-tier "lit" is honestly just the writing. The pacing, the prose, not to mention all the really retarded clichés of Nasu
>"gotcha faggot, I have a trump card"
>"Nah nigga look I got a better trump card"
>"OH NO ALL MY SUPERIORITY IS NOW USELESS, I HAVE FAILED"
and isolated specific situations that just progress in nonsensical ways (Saber being all shy and embarrassed and shit in the bath when she's a fucking low middle ages Celtic warrior who's no doubt had to bathe among her knights in war parties every other fucking week)
F/SN has characters with the necessary elements to constitute depth. Nasu is just a garbage writer and bungles it all up, but the characters are not flat, just poorly executed.
>>48190708
>>48184768
note: I meant Shirou has severe cognitive dissonance himself. I apologize for the ambiguity, English is not my first language so I mess up syntax often
>>48185412
Jeez Anon, for someone with Down's syndrome you sure are good at eloquently displaying your idiocy
>>48190708
>(Saber being all shy and embarrassed and shit in the bath when she's a fucking low middle ages Celtic warrior who's no doubt had to bathe among her knights in war parties every other fucking week)
To be a little fair, that was with an enchantment to make everyone think she's a dude up. Any awkwardness during that would be due to the knights being distracted by the magically splendid dong of perfection the illusion was creating for them.
>>48179886
I want to lick that bellybutton then flip her around, push her head into the pillows and ravage her bottomend.
>>48190708
Native Japanese speakers and fluent Second language types often claim that Nasu's prose is actually quite good and its just that the translation that everyone's been using for 10 years is shitty, partly because the person who made the bulk of it speaks English as his third language and so we're getting Japanese filtered through Polish or some other Eastern European language made by someone who was neither experienced or skilled at the artistry of proper translation.
I won't debate the pacing of the story. It's really slow to the point where I won't knock anyone for hating it. But I will say it never bothered me. I spent basically my whole youth reading door-stopped 10+ book fantasy novels, I'm immune to the annoyances of stories that take forever to get anywhere.
As for the Cliches... meh. I mean, they're there, but some of them are just part and parcel of the medium and the media culture of the native country. Most people don't automatically downgrade every French movie for including a pointless shower scene because its just how things are done there. The I'M STANDING BEHIND YOU KIRA battles aren't the essence of Fate's story, they're the frosting. Shakespere's various dick jokes didn't invalidate the thematic depth or dynamic characters in his plays, so I'm not willing to say that Fate's value as literature is ruined by action sequences being a little indulgent. Especially when the ones that are actually important and meaningful like Shirou's duel with Archer or Saber first confrontation with Berserker or Nine Lives Bladeworks or pretty much any variant of the confrontation with Saber Alter DON'T indulge in the dumb.
>>48179886
It appears to be an unagumented woman of average physique in a leotard.
Why does she want to fight, anyway? We're all on the same side, surely, being human. If not, well, we do have rather a lot of guns and an IFV.
>>48181781
To be honest, Shiro is kind of one-dimensional.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love his character, but he's one-dimensional by design and intention. The very idea that he's so distorted that he's bound by his nature- namely, to be a Hero Of Justice- that it's hard for him to act against it is a really, really fascinating idea. I love the idea of that.
Unlimited Blade Works is literally all about him being one dimensional. He gets it thrown in his face exactly how his nature will work against him by Archer, and you know what? He can't do anything but say 'fuck you I'll do it anyway and I'll do it RIGHT.'
>>48192564
If she's some kind of serious rival to Rin the smug looking little bitch is probably a mage, which means she could conceivably pop said Infantry Fighting Vehicle with a magic attack fairly easily and/or instantly incapacitate an incautious platoon.
Of course, knowing how mages work in this, a cautious team might also blow her brains out from such a large distance she didn't even see it coming or just otherwise punk her.
The best time would probably be when she was quarreling with another nasty target, or afterwords, when she was worn down.
Mages in this have reality marble bubbles and stuff for pocket dimensions, and all kinds of shenanigans that would stop gunfire IF they knew about it and prepared.
But if you outwit or surprise them, they will go down.
One of the more dangerous characters that was ever in a Grail War was mostly just a wily gun slinging type character who cheated like a bastard and knew his way around what mages could and couldn't do, and if he didn't know for sure, he found out and came back for another go.
>>48179886
>Pounce
Boom
>>48182134
>you have to eat all of the food to say it tastes bad!
Fuck off back to /a/ or wherever you Fatefags hang out
>>48192608
I don't agree that Shirou is a one-dimensional character. His MOTIVATION is one-dimensional to an extent, but her personality and his interactions with other characters and his reactions to the circumstances around him are not.
And that's not even dicussing Heaven's Feel and the multitude of directions he can go in the various Bad Ends of that route as he desperately tried to reconcile his world view with his desires and later compel himself to change his world view. He's SUPER three-dimensional and dynamic in HF.
>>48190367
Please, I'd take 100 /pol/ tier threads before another instance of Shinobi Shinigami Baka quest 16 or some retarded F/SN thread
>>48192818
Yeah, that's a good point. I guess I was only looking at it from the point of view of UBW, since I hadn't read the VN in years and only recently watched the show.
>>48192745
That's a fucking retarded metaphor and I hope you feel bad for even conceiving it. If you don't finish all of a piece of media you can say that you didn't personally like it, but any opinion you have on its objective quality is worthless. Books ain't food.
>>48192564
>average physique
Don't sully her perfect Finnish wizard genetics with your LIES.
>>48192685
>>48192564
From what little I know:
She's Rin's cousin/rival and has a surprising amount of physical strength.
Since she's inheriting the family crest and from an important family she's a fairly powerful magician by her universe's standards. She also seems to be able to casually shrug off anything nonlethal that Rin aims at her or at the least is able to pretend to look unconcerned.
TLDR she's there to tease Rin and activate her inferiority complexes.
Mages go down easily if you catch em by surprise or without their contingencies but if she's in BBEG mode then due to the murderous/traitorous nature of most mages in the setting you should at no point assume any body you kill is the real one or not rigged to explode without thoroughly checking.
Bullets are mostly useless since bullet stopping force field activation is newbie level unless they're a specialized magical bullet. What you've got to do is explode whatever building they're in (preferably at the top floor) as the initial volley.
>>48192845
Well you're in luck because it looks like /pol/ is here to stay, and willing to constantly keep everyone updated about their opinions on SJW's, women, and minorities.
>>48192745
No but you have to eat something to know if it's good or not.
>>48190367
Ruining most boards really.
Apparently not handing out commissions that result in certain death to adventurers blatantly too weak for it to the point that convents are overflowing with ptsd monster-rape victims normalized is handholding liberal talk instead of common sense.
>>48192916
That was my thought. They seem to have enough octane in their high octane war magic in that setting that most mages might not necessarily particularly fear direct attack from any small arms, really. They can be pretty destructive with their own attack magic and confidently face off against physically powerful supernatural threats.
I just don't know the details enough to know how common it would be to expect shields that stopped something they didn't even know was coming. I can imagine that magic being able to set up something that would do it for you as possible, but I'm not real sure how common that is. I know the families can be jealously protective of proprietary magical secrets and techniques, so they probably wouldn't share if one family figured out a good way to deal with the problem that wasn't obvious or a total necessity for anyone who didn't have SOME answer the the problem.
I also know Rin at least runs through a fair amount of expensive materials to do her stuff, and while she carries quite a few, there is a limit. Although that's definitely for certain types of quick, fire and forget effects. A mage might also spend on something that lasts for a considerable period, although I suspect this would be expensive. They might not be able to do it twice, but if it lasts all night or even just 20 minutes, then they aren't running out.
Still, if you need to get around the Magics and can afford to hound them, that would work too.
I can only assume redirecting a large number of Drones to harass a mage would infuriate them assuming they didn't have a quite large shield or hidey hole dimension to avoid that. If it was just their own shields it would really be a hassle and distraction.
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>>48192916
Doable, then, either by sniping or a mortar barrage and subsequent assault. Gotta drop the metal box somwhere first, though. All things considered she wouldn't be the most threatening thing the group has dealt with.
>>48192923
Cool.
Now if only they could shove out the rest of the trash, like this very thread
>>48185985
Same here
>>48193157
You're still thinking too conventional. The mortar and bullets aren't what damage the mage on a building I was using as an example. It was the fact that said example mage (Codenamed Fastwheels) suddenly found himself on a trip straight to the ground from on top of an exploding building. He didn't have an Oshit i'm falling spell prepared, still managed to break something out so that he'd survive even if his legs didn't and was in full defensive mode afterwards.
When I said that I was trying to imply(but clearly failed) that you beat out a strong mage via conventional means via attrition and semi clever traps while surprising/tricking them with unexpected scenarios.
Fastwheels then proceeded to go on a rampage at Mr conventional gunslinger's house while literal tons of explosives and bullets were chucked at him in an ineffectual manner.
He got stopped via a secret specialized and extremely rare custom made bullet designed to disrupt magical defenses but still managed to escape. (the bullets before were a distraction since he'd assume the mage killer bullet was useless like the rest)
THEN he had to be finished off via kidnapping his fiance as a hostage to get him to surrender because he was still too much of a threat otherwise.
Fastwheels was an extremely powerful mage so she's not on that level (yet?) but I need to impress upon you that the "proper" method of attack is not head on with what little I know of your resources.
>>48192564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByH_a2nFbFk
Here.
>>48191820
It's not just that it goes nowhere, it's that it goes back and forth and is incoherent.
Even if the prose is supposedly good, the story's structure is really bad. Too much clash between moods (which isn't used, it's just there because of incompetence), too much repetition (though that's a universal Japretardation meme) etc.
As for the clichés, yes many of them are just "part and parcel", that's part of what contributes to them being clichés. Being really stupid is the other half.
I wasn't just referring to the trump card retardation (which is totally in the important fights too, see: Fate route Berserker kill and final boss fight, UBW Gilgamesh kill, among others), but also vast swaths of the story (Caster and whatshisname the snake assassin, Souchirou or something was cringeworthy to read, it was predictable and stupid as hell, for one).
Now, F/SN being as gargantuan as it is, it obviously has a shitton of really good parts too. Shirou's fight with Archer is a stand-out for me.
But as a story, it's really mediocre.calling it dishrag-tier garbage is honestly hyperbole, it's just meh, 5-6/10
>>48192980
Well no shit
But you don't need to eat all of it to pass a respectable judgement on it
If you dislike the first hour and a half of a 2 and a half hour movie, and you leave/stop watching because it's generally that unappealing, your opinion isn't suddenly less valid because of it
You don't have to 100% a game to pass a valid opinion on it either.
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>>48185547
>>48187689
>>48185723
>see this thread
>look at the clip OPs pic is from
How can you say you love someone if you don't put them over in a wrestling match?
also what path is this in the VN?
>>48193560
Unlimited Blade Works
See
>>48193363
3xCV90 with 40mm Autocannon Air-Burst goodness. That's a hella lot of Wolframsteel pellet deliciousness.
Also, angry men in the back of 'em. Two groups of regular infantry groups, and one Support group with Carl Gustav M/48 and FN MAGs.
>>48179886
Literally who?
>>48193560
It's the unlimited blade works path you get if you don't have enough saber points. I don't remember if there were actually any visual depictions of Luvia in the game though
>>48193802
Well there's an entire thread you could have figured that out with
>>48193332
Additionally the reason the guy decided to blow the building up in the first place is because Fastwheels had enchanted it out the ass so it was basically a magical fortress. Most mages use a similar strategy of prepping an area ahead of time and forcing their opponent to fight on their terms, which is why going after a mage on his home territory is such a horrible idea. In this case the guy expected his opponent to storm the building directly because mages are unfamiliar with modern tech and he didn't realize that his opponent could just blow the whole place up, rendering all his preparation useless. The best way to kill a mage is to ambush them when they're away from their base, or just level their entire house before wearing them down and catching them off guard.
>>48179886
No idea who she is, probably watch as her and our barbarian get into a catfight
>>48193332
Magic requires preparation or concentration, correct? A clear mind, in any case. Between the metal box, the squad, and possible off-map fire support there is enough bullshit they can call on to keep her off-balance, even without preparing the field beforehand. Hallucinogen, farg, and thermal grenades, a varied selection of small arms and support weapons operating on differing principles, possible area denial weapons, and a handful of special purpose ammunition, including two (I think, my guy's not the one carrying them) designated to disrupt psychic activity. Less on the defense front, admittedly, we generaly trust the metal box and the terrain to keep us safe.
I do feel like the group can mount a varied and sudden enough onslaught to get the killing blow without much of an issue, provided they have surprise on their side. Doubly so if Sarge can pull that favour his navy lady owes him and get us an orbital strike.
>>48193917
Only some forms. Many spells, especially those in the Magic Crest or for which the user has a natural affinity can be activated virtually instantly and automatically. Relying on mental interference or shock-and-awe is cruising for a bruising.
>>48193977
How about giant space lasers outta nowhere?
>>48193992
Reality Marbles, Son!
>>48194000
Luvia doesn't have a reality marble.
She is supersonic though, so any attempt to designate her for orbital bombardment during combat is liable to go poorly.
>>48194015
I was speaking in general terms, I assumed if one could assume a given Troop Of Soldiers had an orbital cannon one could assume the Fate-verse Mage had something equally insane.
Of course, we could always just say that as a descendant of Zelretch with Shirou's powers and Rin's knowledge available she could recreate the Gem Sword. Then she'd have her OWN giant space laser.
>>48194000
So she's essentially as bullshit as one makes her, defeating the purpose of the exercise, if there was any.
>>48194055
If that anon's party had an orbital space laser then they had an orbital space laser, a generic troop of soldiers has nothing to do with the scenario.
Luvia, on the other hand does not have a reality marble, does not have a kaleido-sword and does not have backup from Zelretch, Shirou or Rin.
The scenario outlined by the OP is literally '[your party] vs luvia'.
>>48194000
Claiming Reality Marbles in order to argue for mages is dumb.
Reality Marbles are special. As in, there's only one sane human practitioner who actually can use his Reality Marble, and that's Shirou.
It's not like every other mage or every elite mage has a Marble. In fact, they're probably too mentally grounded in Gaia to even consider it, and the ones who try end up going irreparably insane.
>>48193917
>Magic requires preparation or concentration, correct?
Some can but that doesn't remove the problems of anything already pre prepared before we get into the stuff they can easily do.
Trying to get through a skilled mage's stronghold after they've done some preparation is almost literally trying to navigate the warp on foot with a secret "safe" path you don't know about that can go wrong if you dont do x steps in this manner before shouting the safeword and can't perceive easily while being attacked by demons.
You sound like you actually have a good chance but you're underestimating the threat too much which can be fatal.
>>48193992
I'm assuming you mean orbital bombardment which would be a fairly good move. As there are rough equivalents to massive space lasers that occasionally show themselves the end result is whether or not the mage was properly paranoid and in her stronghold while still at least taking out a large chunk of or all of the base.
Nasuverse mages can almost always be quickly dispatched with a gun
People like Rin are nowhere near average. She's around 20 times as powerful as the average mage in the modern age and more or less considered nobility. You'd be looking at someone barely any stronger than Shirou or Waver for a better idea of what they can do, which is to say fuck-all against anyone with even vestigial magic circuits
Reality marbles are so incredibly rare that having one is universally grounds for being locked up for the rest of your life if not killed outright, which is why Shirou doesn't ever mention or use UBW once he follows Rin to England
>>48194119
Calling Shirou sane is debatable, but yeah. Reality Marbles are not something just any mage call do. They're sort of an example of the difference between a "magus" and "sorcerer" in the setting which is basically the difference between an epic level character and one who isn't
>>48194000
I don't know where you got this weird misunderstanding, but Reality Marbles are REALLY FUCKING RARE. It's not something a mage just develops willingly (not without being bonkers in the first place or spending a century or two on research) and few mages would have the magical capacity to materialize it easily. In modern times, maybe a dozen or so magi have Reality Marbles. Even Heroic Spirits get them very rarely, and mostly through cheating by materializing some part of their fame as an RM, not actually developing it during their mortal lives.
Moreover, magic anti-bullet shields are also fairly rare as magic generally don't waste time creating/learning spells for fighting stuff they never intend to face. You should understand that Magi generally aren't fighters, but researches. They spend generations studying a single branch of magic and only a relatively small percentage actively pursues specialization in attack magic or going anywhere beyond simple self-defense magic. Most magi are just content with filling their workshop with traps and defensive measures and shit and leaving it at that.
>>48194115
We, or rather one of the PCs, can maybe possibly pull a favour with his space navy not-girfriend to get us one unsactioned salvo of space-to-surface particle cannons. Roughly equivalent to several tactical scale nuclear weapons. We do not have our own space laser, hence all the ifs and maybes.
>>48194191
It's understandable confusion since every fucking magus in fate is either high on the exceptional end or just an outright combat magus, but I can really only imagine thinking reality marbles are a common feat from someone who didn't read the VN and didn't pay much attention to the show
>>48194115
Is the party attacking her Atelier? What ground she's on and what prep-time she has is important.
Also she's a high level Reinforcement user, most conventional arms would be useless against her just from that alone. And that's not considering self-healing abilities her Crest most probably contains given her family's length of lineage. Healing magic is not a rarity.
Stabs her until her HP hits 0
>>48194191
Kiritsugu's whole claim to fame for being a hyper-badass mage killer is that he used guns. He knew some time-related magic and had a few irreplaceable magic bullets which destroyed people's magic circuits, but most of his success came from using guns. Most mages don't have any idea of what modern technology can do, so they assume guns aren't dangerous to them. With how weak magic is on modern times, they're very wrong
It's illustrated pretty well if a bit on the edgy side when Kayneth turns a whole hotel into a convoluted magical dungeon because he thinks Kiritsugu will go challenge him as a proper magus, when what he actually does is bomb the place and call it a day
>>48194303
Yeah, but then when he fought Kiritsugu's guns and bombs and shit up close Kayneth was largely untouchable and only the special bullets and spells saved the day. Kayneth was a super-elite of course, but its Kiritsugu's strategy and tactics that allowed him to beat mages, not the guns in and of themselves.
>>48194303
Well, no. Most of Kiritsugu's success came from using very non-maguslike tactics, guns were just part of that.
>>48194260
Well, that's only to be expected, considering anyone who doesn't have a broken as fuck Servant, ain't a weird-ass anomaly or isn't combat capable must really have a death wish to want to participate in the HGW. Or be pretty damn naive, at least.
>>48194340
He isn't all that subtle from what is seen
It was a desperate move and all, but if someone in real life destroyed a plane with a grenade launcher from a boat, having just bought all that shit, there's no way it would go unnoticed
>>48194262
We can basically assume she's on par with Rin with no magic sword, a greater amount of money to spend on magic jewels and a fairly unknown level of personal support from her family. Friends backing her up seems unlikely. She seems arrogant enough to get into a fight outside her own territory, but that might just be because she does it to piss Rin off. I'd say she's basically a mid to upper mid level wizard type
>>48194340
Kayneth negated Kiritsugu's weaponry with a single spell. I believe even Waver can use that one. Any magus can probably handle guns as long as they know they're going to fight someone with guns.
>>48194375
No, Kayneth negated Kiritsugu's weaponry by using Volumen Hydrargyrum, which is his unique super-advanced Mystic Code. It's over 100 kg of animated mercury which shielded him from Kiritsugu's bullets and was also able to search for Kiritsugu's heartbeats and a lot of other shit. It's definitely not something Waver would be able to use
>>48194445
Actually, Waver inherited Volumen Hydragyrum and Kayneth's lord title after his death. So if we're talking about post-war Waver then it very much is something he'd be able to use.
>>48194303
It was more about his mindset than about technology. He just used whatever worked while they strongly favor using magic for as much as possible leaving gaps in their defenses
>>48194359
Well the holy grail war was sort of based around the concept of tricking 4 mages (well it's debatable 5 or 6) who either had no fucking idea what they were getting into or a death wish
>>48194445
>It's definitely not something Waver would be able to use
He not only recovers but improves Volumen Hydragyrum and gives it an autonomous mode. It's his maid now.
>>48194375
>>48194445
Waver improved it to the point that it developed a love of terminator movies and talks how one day skynet will reign supreme and destroy the fleshy ones.(It's a ball of mercury)
>>48194468
>>48194484
That was after years upon years of research and practice after the Holy Grail War, and he's still pretty mediocre as far as sheer power goes, he's just very good at the technical side of magic
It's even seen in the show with how he traces down Caster by testing the city's water for magic with alchemy, which no one else thought of doing
>>48194531
Kayneth is a supremely excellent magus. Of course his tools could be used even by amateurs. It's not saying Waver is good, but that Kayneth's artifact is strong, versatile, and apparently not even that demanding to utilize.
If it weren't for Kiritsugu's Origin bullet being uniquely anti-magus, anyone utilizing VH would be effectively bulletproof.
deploy mollusks
>>48194560
>anyone utilizing VH would be effectively bulletproof
Faldeus thinks an anti-tank rifle should work though.
>>48194918
Faldeus does seem to be a bit biased or limited in his thinking though. Just there he thinks a bug user can be killed with explosives. Against a rigid, uncreative bug user, who keeps their soul-worm close at hand, this would work, but an intelligent one who stores their soul-worm safely like a lich's phylactery would be hard to eradicate. So in other words, Zouken.
>>48195252
Faldeus is technically right in a requires a mage to be an idiot sort of way which luckily enough works out in universe often enough. Against anyone with real experience or that managed to live to at least middle age you're pretty fucked if you don't get the drop on em at a rare moment of noncaution.
>>48194367
She doesn't need friends to back her up. Her family has enough power that most families under her are automatically subservient to a degree. It's that whole nail that sticks out getting hammered down mentality the Japanese love to use in their writing. If you don't do what the prime families want you to the hammer drops like it's mjollnir.
I can understand how that didn't come to mind for you since western writing has much less reverence/awe for monarchy systems thanks to all the misc revolutions.
>>48193560
Luvia's Rin 2.0, so she has the exact same problems with simply confessing she likes someone. Double when that someone is another girl, and is her family's longtime rivals.
>>48196131
She explicitly likes Shirou. Your /u/goggles are on too tight. The two of them fighting is because they're both after the same guy.
>>48197068
Well it's entirely possibly she only likes Shirou because she knows Rin does, but her entire purpose as a character is to troll Rin so wanting to fuck her is kind of unlikely in any case
>>48197230
Apparently 50 something people all independently saw some scene of him training for high jump and fell in love with him.
Luvia legitimately likes him and any Rin trolling is simply a wonderful bonus.
>>48197230
>>48197270
Well in any case since she's Rin 2.0 I wouldn't rule bisexuality out. If everyone plays their cards right it could just end in a three-way
>>48197299
It wouldn't surprise me if it happened even as a way to show dominance and cement Rin as a concubine while she maintains head wife status.
>>48197423
>implying the head wife wouldn't beLeysritt
>>48197423
Well it would certainly encourage a highly competitive harem environment, but I'm not convinced if that's a good thing or not
>>48197464
>>Fate is a totally legit setting and topic of discussion guys
>my waifu isn't bisexual
>is too
>>48197514
I don't really see how one disqualifies the other. Having the capability of good discussion isn't really the same thing as where a discussion on 4chan will take you
>>48197595
Have you considered opting out of bad discussions?
>>48197514
>my waifu isn't bisexual
>is too
You could do this with literally any setting though. That's nothing unique to Fate.
>>48179886
I already know where to get the power to do it!
>>48198361
The thing is we don't do this much with most topics on /tg/.
I fucking hate Fatefags.
>>48200127
And I fucking hate you. What a surprise.
>>48200248
No one cares what you think.
>>48200264
I care what he thinks.
>>48200279
No you don't.
>>48200296
Yes I do.
>>48200333
You're not me.
>>48200333
Fine trips don't lie so you win.
>>48200345
Yes I am.
>>48194303
That's why Kiritsugu wasn't a Magus. He was the Magus Killer, and a Magic User, but he wasn't a Magus.
Magus combat is, traditionally, where each member stands in front of the other and show off their Mysteries and face off, trying to counteract or counterspell the enemy. That's because they're researchers, not fighters. It's not in them to 'win no matter what' it's to 'learn and use that knowledge'.
In short, it's like Magus all roll blue decks, Shirou doesn't know the rules and plays pokemon cards (But the judge allows it anyway), and Kiritsugu brings a goddamn handgun to the table.
