Mort Fort Edition
Axefencing Sub-Edition
In the last thread questions on the LACAL, elites, and Ursarax were asked, discussion on Ol' Morty and Barbarus accents was made, I got a writefaggotry project in the works, traitor Primarch clown cars usually don't involve Perturabo, Curze, or even Horus strangely enough, the Primarch and legion quizs continue to get odd results, a new ZM scenario was made, discussion on just who was going away once the Crusade was over, and complaints about the Ultras were made plus more in the last thread >>48115414
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Strawpoll link: http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
FIRST FOR ALPHARIUS
What do we think the rules for the lion and Khan will be?
Y'know, I think one reason this game doesn't have as many players is because they like playing a successor chapter, which makes perfect sense to me.
>>48135429
On the other hand this game is extremely attractive to CSM players as they can finally get rules to reflect their favorite legions.again
>>48135429
People are tired of loyalist legions since they get a lot of exposure in 40k. It's why traitors and Mechanicus are so popular in 30k.
>>48135490
True enough.
Anyways, does anyone know what two legions are going to be in the next box?
>>48135525
That's true as well, though there are still going to be people that like to play the more obscure warbands.
>>48135557
The only info with good credibility is that it WON'T be UM and WB.
>>48135429
Just use Autek Mor and his band of merry brothers to play as the Red Talons and Brazen Claws(possibly).
>>48135525
And not the Traitor Legions?
>>48135557
Maybe one day I'll find a talented painter who did Hakanor's Reavers really well.
It's a shame Duncan's tutorial on how to do lava only works for big flat areas and is pretty much an insta kill on details, because it would look fucking great on CSM.
https://youtu.be/uH5C6_TxPr8
Say, non can deny the Invictarii represent the UM, because muh-roman-glory.
...but what about Locutarii?
Sure, adaptability can mean "copy the Tyrants", but I thought the assault marine legion was chiefly the BA (and the NL with their Raptors)?
>>48135557
My money's on Battle of Phallic.
So IW and IF and it will be summed up by who's got the buggest gun.
>>48135584
Fingers crossed for Thousand Sons and Wolves. A Prospero box would be sweet.
>>48135596
Oh, I just posted Frank Castle because he's 30k related and technically part of my question.
But what about the Steel Confessors and such? Or what if an anon didn't like the IH's color scheme, which is why they chose a successor?
>>48135584
True enough. I've heard it'll be Mk.III breachers and assaults, right? So maybe Fists and WE?
>>48135667
Will that mean bucketloads of MkII & MkII?
>>48135525
I mean, cataphracti terminator armor and lists that swell in power as the points increase per size. The Legions have probably the best apocalypse potential in all of 40k.
>>48135674
>But what about the Steel Confessors and such? Or what if an anon didn't like the IH's color scheme, which is why they chose a successor
The Confessors were a later founding.
>>48135667
God I hope so. BaC was a great deal but I'll be god damned if I'm going to field thirty Mk IV suits in either an IF or an IW force.
>>48135659
I wouldn't say they're a copy of anything
they're just cool dudes who dont afraid of anything
>>48135429
I actually play 30k because Black Templars got fucking shafted, at least in the heresy setting I can play with Sigismund and Terminators.
>>48135679
>>48135725
I bloody hope we'll get mk3. I'm a complete sucker for these handsole bastards. Rumours of breachers and assault marines have done nothing to appease my boner either.
>>48135668
That would fit the rumors wouldn't it? Prospero is coming up next and it would coincide with it like BaC did with Calth. SW are also melee oriented.
>>48135725
Based Chinaman........
>>48135710
That was my point, anon. There are anons who like to play later founding chapters and can't just say that they were using this color scheme back then
>>48135659
Man, I hate those topknots.
>>48135596
>And not the Traitor Legions?
Traitor legions in 40k and 30k are nothing alike. Especially compared to loyalists.
>>48135758
CUSTODES BETTER BE BALLER.
>>48135763
>I'm so pathetically poor.......
The worst part isn't how worthless and poor you faggots are, it's how you spam your bullshit at the drop of a hat, every chance you get. We get it, you're poor and buy shitty Chinese bootlegs. Nobody gives a fuck.
>>48135763
Chinaman might be a good deal for ludicrously expensive stuff, like fuckhuge vehicle that aren't needed.
But for infantry? Now that we have BaC and the upcoming box, there's no reason to use them.
>>48135776
>That was my point, anon. There are anons who like to play later founding chapters and can't just say that they were using this color scheme back then
I do know of one other IH successor they could play as.
>hating old school Cataphractii
Nigga, I beg you to rethink your life.
>>48135781
I really don't see much difference between 40/30k WEs and DG. The real difference is that their ignorant unwashed slaves to darkness, but they still do their favorite things. It's easier for the DG because they're now environmental hazards.
>>48135809
>>48135842
Its enabling the community, those who can't now can, why settle for mks of armor available only in specific boxes at specific times?
Why should I pay more for their product when I can get it cheaper? Isn't the capitalism a two way street? Both the consumer and the producer are nigh obligated on getting the best prices possible.
Shrug, deal with it.
>>48135842
But specifically you based elitist need to go fuck yourself, your kind has no place anyway, especially when you probably don't even escape the margins of upper middle class.
Ha, Ha. Ha.
>>48135905
I only hate the topknots. Everything else is fine.
>>48135905
>I do know of one other IH successor they could play as.
?
Does anyone know when GW will cancel BaC? I need a date.
>>48135937
The topknots are apart of the appeal.
>>48136001
>?
Pic related.
>>48135906
>>48135934
I can understand people not wanting to pay too much. But using chinamen as a first option all the time feels, I don't know, bad?
As I said, for some stuff that is not required, like the upcoming Mastodon, or other massive vehicles that are more guilty pleasure than anything else, I can understand using them.
But infantry is the core of the vast majority of armies. If you're not able to afford the core of your hobby, you're doing it wrong.
It's like those people who barely make both ends meet and cry about it, and then you see them with expensive ass clothes or eating out all the time.
I'll still play someone with chinamen of course. But I would definitely laugh inside if the guy then said that he was having a hard time with his budget.
Anyhoo.
>>48136038
Dang it, I knew you'd bring them up.
Anyways, on a more serious note the people who like the Steel Confessors and like staying towards canon wouldn't play them in 30k because they're of a later founding as said earlier. I do know that there are at least a couple anons who have chosen certain successor chapter simply because they didn't like the founding chapter's color scheme. Though, now I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing and I should stop now.
You still can't get me to like the topknots!
>Subtly
>>48135781
Other than Thousand Sons becoming Rubrics and Death Guard going full Plague Marine the 40k version of the traitor legions are still pretty similar to the 30k versions. Just more chaos shit and dinobots. I suppose that is a pretty significant difference, but I don't think it reflects a change in the underlying themes of IW, NL, WB, WE, AL, or SoH/BL. EC are actually quite different, but I feel like we'll get there before the seige of Terra.
>>48135197
>Khan will be the first mounted Primarch
>Sang will be the first Flying Monstrous Creature Primarch
The time we live in.
>>48136110
>Dang it, I knew you'd bring them up
You're going to eventually get a peril of the Warp, Anon.
>Anyways, on a more serious note the people who like the Steel Confessors and like staying towards canon wouldn't play them in 30k because they're of a later founding as said earlier. I do know that there are at least a couple anons who have chosen certain successor chapter simply because they didn't like the founding chapter's color scheme. Though, now I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing and I should stop now.
True. Real shame though.
>You still can't get me to like the topknots!
I've accepted that.
>Subtly
Vic reached GW accepted levels of "subtle". There needs to be a 30k filler on the future Emperor's Shadows. It'd put me into a very good mood.
>>48136197
IW and NL are the only ones that don't change. AL, WB, WE, and SoH have drastic fucking changes.
>>48135906
Nobody said not to buy chinaman you dumb faggot. They're saying to stop acting like an obnoxious faglord. And no, people aren't going to "deal with it". You keep acting like a faggot and you're going to keep getting called out on it.
Take a step back and look at your fucking posts. Next time you catch yourself writing "based chinaman" try to realize what a pathetic fucking autist you sound like.
Will pic related make an appearance soon?
>>48135776
>Man, I hate those topknots.
so do they
>>48135809
Actually, I'll have to say the Chinamen have been getting good at their craft lately. It's getting to the point that I'm having to do the same amount of work on FW shit as I am recasts.
You never see video gamers going "based piratebay". It's like 40kids are proud of how poor they are.
>>48136282
>>48135906
Jesus Christ both of you are insufferable autists who shit up the thread.
You don't work for Games Workshop so stop getting triggered like some Tumblrina. No one cares about your feelings.
Stop talking about how based Chinamen are. They're just people who copy someone else's work with no effort and making money because they're NEETs. Furthermore no one gives a shit where you buy your plastic from.
Shut the fuck up.
>>48136466
Why don't you post more about your feelings? Is there any way I can like your shitty blog posts?
Speaking of copying other people's work, how do you guys run breachers? Making ghetto phalanx warder breachers tonight and thought I'd ask opinions before the super glue is brought out.
>>48136591
Thin your paints.
>>48136618
too soon man...
>>48136637
Are you still sure you wanna do it? I was the one who shitted in them so hard, but people uniroincally use Warp Talons and such.
>>48136665
>ripping on warp talons
>when mutilators exist
Shit, Warp Talons aren't even that bad (for CSM codex standards), all they're missing is frag grenades
>>48136701
Matt from MWG uses Lictors all the time.
>>48136665
There's no reasoning with these IF players, Anon. It's like they're stubborn, masochists or something.
Is Sanguinius going to be as good as launch Horus, or possibly better or worse?
>>48136665
Honestly I don't want to be seen as a powergamer and if taking breachers or phalanx warders can balance out the OP of having a questoris knight detachment then I'm down for using an underpowered unit. I just have no idea how to outfit a squad of 10 breachers...do I put them in a land raider or a dreadclaw or just use them to bubblewrap a dakka knight so they don't get charged?
>>48136429
Which ones? I've only bought from Z and he is fucking horrendously bad.
>>48136852
>The Encarmine Sword is better than the BA sword of double wounding
He should be better than launch Horus, but then Horus should get a chaotic upgrade. Sanguinius will probably let you charge on the same turn you deepstrike, or all his army rerolls scatter or something.
>>48135763
Can't we just agree to praise the Scan Anon, our true hero?
He's the one who delivers us from spending on mistake-ridden FW books, while enabling us to carry several kg of them in our phones.
>>48137020
>He should be better than launch Horus, but then Horus should get a chaotic upgrade. Sanguinius will probably let you charge on the same turn you deepstrike, or all his army rerolls scatter or something.
Its going to be the 5th ed descent of angels rule where everything with deep strike only scatters D6''. Sanguinius himself will act as a deep strike beacon and I would give him the ability to choose his warlord trait and call reserves on turn 1.
>>48136928
I would give them special weapons and deep strike them with Polux or attach vigilators and infiltrate/outflank them or get a fortification and use it as a transport.
>>48137092
>I would give him the ability to choose his warlord trait.
I'd rather give that to the Lion, along with his +4I or something.
>>48137020
>>48137092
Didn't Horus himself say that he was unsure of how a Sang v. Horus would turn out?
Also if Sang isn't a FMC, we need to burn FW.
>>48137152
Sanguinius should at the very least move like a FMC like that Tau Commander can, otherwise someone will go Ashen Circle on FW's headquarters.
And GW's too, because of sheer arsonism.
>>48137203
Yeah, all they have to do is cut and paste the Commander Coldstar rules. Literally no effort at all.
But I fear stupidity will abound.
>>48137148
Lion still needs his suckerpunch special ability.
>>48137147
are melta guns good for breachers? I noticed they can take graviton guns but those are heavy weapons and I wanna be able to move with them. also I wanted to have Sigismund in my army but holy shit...Alexis Polux might be cool instead.
>>48137273
How about extra Initiative, WS, S and attacks on the turn he charges?
>>48137289
One of these threads you'll end up with a loadout you'll like, have faith :^)
Are boxnaughts a thing in 30k?
>>48137316
hey at least I can bring entertaining content occasionally, like last thread when my bae btfo my WIP worse than /wip/
>>48137368
Indeed. She inspired me to learn how to edit images in my phone and all that.
But that's a duty for tomorrow.
Have nice 30k dreams or something.
>>48137316
Just give him Instant Death on all his attacks, makes him a super duelist and monster hunter supreme without making him better than other primarchs.
>>48137416
But he's kind of an antiprimarch dude or something, impaling Curze and all.
Mortarion also has ID on all his attacks and it makes him deadly against those 2W termies, but against other primarchs he's nothing too flashy.
>>48137464
How about
>Critical Riposte-Whenever an enemy misses an attack Jonson may strike once for every missed attack at the same initiative step as the enemy he's in base contact with.
>>48137368
Oh that was you? Listen to that woman and marry her. She's the one for you.
>>48137571
Yep. She singlehandedly convinced me to stop being mediocre and give about 25 tacticals a simple green bath tomorrow. Gonna prime corax white this time and paint them all yellow instead so this never happens again. I think my Templar Brethren look decent enough but that's about it.
>>48136001
It's already out of production. Availability will depend on how long they can sit on shelves or on eBay.
>>48137624
>mfw a Shadow Force Solax has been sitting on a shelf with a big LAST CHANCE TO BUY on it for at least 3 months now
BaC will sell out real fast.
>>48137347
Yes.
>>48137680
This made me smile
>>48137561
I don't even care about anything to do with Dangles, but god damn is that a cool rule for the Lion.
>>48137624
You've tricked me anon, it's not marked as last chance just yet.
>>48136258
I wouldn't say that about AL at all.
>>48135906
>Why should I pay more for their product when I can get it cheaper? Isn't the capitalism a two way street? Both the consumer and the producer are nigh obligated on getting the best prices possible.
Technically, capitalism isn't synonymous with market economics; it's about ownership/control being assigned to the provider of capital (investor) rather than the actual people doing the work or managing the people doing the work.
But yes, it's a two way street and in this case FW's biggest costs are in designing the minis and creating a world for them to play in. You're saying that you're only willing to pay the guy casting minis and you've found a cheaper dude doing the same thing in China. That makes you the one trying to make this a one-way street because it's a fraction of FW's expenses.
I get it, I really do. I want a White Scars army and paying US$70-80 for a Land Speeder or three Outrider bikes is ridiculous. I can't promise that I won't buy some cheaper ones. But FW's earned a fair amount of my hobby money.
>>48137611
Is that a good idea? Brushing funky paint from crevasses is a serious pain. I'd just paint over the yellow parts with a couple coats of tan, then yellow. And highlight the black.
>>48137883
Gunky, not funky. Simple Green stripping gets messy.
>>48135809
>getting this mad
>>48136535
>no one gives a shit who you buy your plastic from so shut the fuck up
>clearly gives a shit where people get their plastic from
This is how I know
>>48137883
the problem is that the yellow is already getting a bit thick, and I fucked up because I did two "light" coats of flash gitz yellow and then seraphim sepia'd it. which was probably the dumbest thing I've done all year because I should've made sure all the yellow panels were solid before a wash. but yeah I might paint over it tomorrow and give it a shot first, thanks anon.
>>48137152
I remember Horus admitted to Sanguinius that he thought it was Sanguinius should have been warmaster
>>48136535
You. I like you. Keep it up.
>>48137966
Yeah he did, I don't know why though, would Horus have truly felt that way? Or was it some political play to keep Sanguinus happy.
Perturabo should have been warmaster.
>>48136258
As far as the fluff from Istvaan onward I don't think there are such huge changes in the theme and style of those legions.
SoH to Black Legion. Yeah pretty big change actually.
WE went from nailed-up, chainaxe wielding berserkers in white and blue to Khorned-up, chainaxe wielding berserkers in red and brass. It's kind of a subtle difference in style really.
Word Bearers really just turn it up to 11 in 40k but that's about it. They're summoning daemons right out the gate in 30k.
Alpha Legion just goes even more off the books. So turning it up to 11 again.
I really only see big thematic differences between the HH and 40k versions of SoH, TS, DG and EC. IW, NL, WB, WE, and AL just take what they were already doing further.
>>48137937
you already fucked up wih flash gutz. Should have used averland as its an actual base paint
>>48138053
In the book it was portrayed thatHorus legitimately felt this way.
>>48138138
I'm not a clever man.
>>48138169
I'm kidding.
>>48138220
You had me fooled lol. It's funny enough cos in the book they off handedly mention that Perturabo would be furious because he thought it actually should be him
>>48138138
>>48138195
so would you recommend getting a pot of averland or something or just nuking them with simple green and following the Warhammer TV method for painting Fist yellow? I've got a lot of work ahead the next few evenings
>>48138249
intentionally made that reference. haha. Ha. xD
Horus was the only one capable of being warmaster. All other comers would probably have failed saved Girlyman himself.
>>48138255
Nah man, just listen to anon.
Never listen to Emma, for she is of some other ruinous power that even Chaos dare not touch.
>>48138287
but....which anon.
>>48138255
just pick up some averland and try putting it over the flash gitz and see how that looks.
If it looks like shit, then nuke em
>>48138316
sounds good. thanks man. I love the lore, the game, and the models. I just suck so bad at modeling and painting it hurts. at least my 3 knights came out pretty well. leadbelcher silver lining.
>>48138053
Sanguinus should have been the Warmasater no question. He was incorruptible and a willing weapon of the Emperor with no ambitions outside keeping his legion well.
Except he wasn't the perfect image of a man, he was an abomination and a mutant. He was impure and the Emperor resented him for such.yes I know you're kidding
>>48138358
everyone has to start somewhere
But usually its on a cheap 40k army that you can experiment and fuck up on
>>48138303
Y'know, anon.
>>48138394
luckily they're all calth marines. this is my second army since starting last year and my grey knights turned out a little bit better because it's hard to fuck that up.
>>48138053
>Perturabo as Warmaster
That sounds like a recipe for hilarity.
>>48137611
MY EYES
>>48138382
>imperfect image of man
Sanguinius was the embodiment of humanity. When people thought of him they did not see an image they saw an idea of light and hope. The Emperor didn't resent Sanguinius for his wings, but Horus was much more relatable, much closer to the common man.
>A Warmaster can only walk the field of battle, never soar above it.
>>48138477
post your models pls
>>48138382
Funnily enough though the mutations probably WOULD have been a factor in who should be warmaster. An angelic being leading a crusade to end all belief in gods would hardly serve as effective propaganda. Add in Lorgar ALREADY suggesting that Sanguinus being an angel incarnate turns the issue into too much of a pr issue.
>>48138536
I would but they're at the house.
Also it would be unfair, Tau and Nids have plain armor plates.
>>48138593
Or would have exacerbated the Hersey because the other Primarchs and their legion feel completely and totally inadequate to Sanguinus and his Blood Angels.
>>48138643
Ill post my models in your stead
>>48138680
thank you. this is inspiration enough. that purple is delicious.
>>48138703
My brother actually primed in black and it turned out pretty good.
So you weren't completely out of the ball park.
>>48138673
>Bragging is most unbecoming my son
What is your dumbest waste of points that you have for the sake of fun or flavour? For me
>EC champion
>Artificer armour, refractor field, and jump pack
>charnabal sabre
>phoenix spear
>lucid blade
>like 200 points
Haha initiative 7 or 8
Haha str 5 AP 2 at initiative
Haha 2++ invulnerable save
Haha maximum of 4 attacks for a 200 point character (nothing matches up, phoenix spear is 2 handed, lucid blade is a specialist weapon, and charnabal sabre is a regular CCW)
Not good as the point of the question is but fuck do I love him, fucker has managed to wound Angron in a challenge and lasted two rounds against Sigismund before Sigismund was killed by the rest of his unit.
>>48138858
I have a Shadowsword for my Iron Warriors. Does that count?
>>48138358
Don't worry about it.
imo, with Templar Brethren it's worth spraying them white, masking off the yellow parts and then spraying black.
I wonder where the anon who was going to show off his Sons of Malice Blackshields went. They sounded pretty cool.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10663447
Reposting because I want it to have comparable numbers with that legion strawpoll.
>>48139318
>Loyalists don't dominate anymore
Awww. It's like Istvaan V all over again, kinda.
>>48139415
Isstvan V was a good time.
Re-listening to "Betrayer." I love how Kharn only fought in the gladiator pits ironically pre-heresy. He was a little hipster.
>>48134981
Gazing through the mists of time to the last thread when everyone was prattling about accents, I've found a thing which gives you a sense of what English sounded like back in the 1600s:
https://youtu.be/gPlpphT7n9s?t=2m58s
Not like modern day RP, but not like an American accent either. More like West Country, or a pirate. The Northern and Scottish accent are also supposed to be closer to the 'original' British accent, if such a thing exists.
>>48139701
Oh, and skip to 2.58 or so for the important bit.
>tfw love/hate the Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought.
One one hand, it's one of my favorite models, it has a Plasma cannon that DOESN'T have Gets Hot!, and disregarding the rules that cause it to autowound Psykers and Daemons in the legion filled with Psykers and Daemons it's not that bad.
On the other hand, however...
It's ridiculously overcosted, and autowounds Psykers and Daemons in the legion filled with Psykers and Daemons. Heck, if you put two next to eachother, they'd hurt themselves because they are Daemons themselves.
>>48139833
>It's ridiculously overcosted, and autowounds Psykers and Daemons in the legion filled with Psykers and Daemons.
>Heck, if you put two next to eachother, they'd hurt themselves because they are Daemons themselves.
My sides. If it helps (not really), they're still better than Rampagers.
>>48139925
I doubt that. Pretty sure Rampagers aren't worth 2 Contemptor Cortis Dreads, and I don't think they can hurt half your legion.
I still want to buy the model though.
>>48139978
A local just fields it as a regular contemptor since the model is so good but the rules are actively retarding half of your legion
how fucked up would it be to ally an Imperial Fists Armored Breakthrough with Knights. Only infantry I'd have are Sigismund + Templar in a Land Raider. Let me know what you think so I can decide whether to impulse buy a Sicaran tonight.
>>48139978
Well yeah, +55pts for +1HP, +1WS, +1I, +1A (pre-buff, now outdated), -2BS, protection against melta and heat weapons, IWND, -1WS to scrubs, enemy rerolls successful invulns and lots of Ld tests is overcosted.
But at least they get to do something on their own.
That is, before Cortus dreads were a thing.
>>48140065
So you'll score with Predators? Sweet.
>>48140065
Fuckin do it
>>48140111
I'd have two scoring Predators and a scoring Knight Gallant.
I don't think I thought this through.
>>48140044
I feel that if they removed that rule, and lowered it's points cost it would be fine. Unless I'm forgetting about something else.
A potato quality picture of my Cataphractii from last night. (hence the potato as I shot the pic just before heading to bed with my tab)
>>48139701
Very cool, thanks!
Ground combat is nice and all, but when are the HH writers going to give us a story about hotshot Xiphon, Wrath, and Fury pilots?
>>48140141
Now that the Wolves and 1kSons are getting rules soon(tm), i think it will become more useful. Remove the bit where it affects daemons, and make it only effect enemy psykers, and its worth its current price
>>48140220
To be honest, that should have been it's rules in the first place.
>>48140111
Y'know, I just realized that they're better off in the Alpha Legion with Coils, considering that they have no Daemons of there own.
>>48140232
Untrue, you realized that in a previous thread :)
It would be very funny to, as the AL, use it against the WB for maximum trolling.
>>48138858
Sigismund scares me. My buddy runs his 30k Templars in 40k. I managed to kill Sigismund one time with Commander Dante simply by using Hit & Run to nearly continuously get out of his range to charge, then charging in on my turn. Still his command squad held up for quite a while, and in the end it was only Dante and my standard bearer alive out of an expensive squad with Dante, sanguinary guard, a sanguinary priest, and a storm shield captain. Now when he fields that army, I avoid Sigismund like he's the friggin boogie man; re-rolling invulnerable saves is scary stuff.
+++ Imperial Fists Martian Armored Column 2 (2500pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1250pts) ++
+ HQ (230pts) +
Sigismund (230pts)
····Master of the Legion [Armoured Breakthrough]
+ Troops (720pts) +
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (130pts)
····Legion Predator Tank [Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Lascannons]
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (130pts)
····Legion Predator Tank [Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Lascannons]
Templar Brethren (460pts) [4x Combat Shield, Land Raider Phobos, 4x Templar Brethren]
····Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet]
+ Elites (175pts) +
Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Lascannons]
+ Heavy Support (125pts) +
Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (125pts)
····Legion Vindicator Tank [Dozer Blade]
+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [Loyalist, VII: Imperial Fists]
++ Questoris Knight Crusade Army (Allied Detachment) (1250pts) ++
+ HQ (420pts) +
Lord Scion (420pts)
····Questoris Knight Warden [Occular Augmetics, Thunderstrike Gauntlet]
+ Troops (330pts) +
Scion Martial (330pts)
····Questoris Knight Gallant [Meltagun]
+ Heavy Support (500pts) +
Scion Arbalester (500pts)
····Questoris Knight Crusader [Meltagun, Rapid-fire battlecannon and Heavy Stubber, Stormspear rocket pod]
To all the haters who doubted me. Ive perfected the Imperial Fists list.
It just happens to only include 6 Imperial Fists in it.
Brb placing Sicaran order.
In other Dreadnought-related matters, how does this look for a dread-based list to paint towards? I'm just spitballing here, but i'm tired of painting green loyalists and no-one plays Night Lords nearby, giving me both hipster cred and something completely different to paint. I have a nearly-untouched (termies have been used, dread is unpainted) set of Calth, and Sevetar and another Contemptor is just under the budget
Terror Assault
175-Sevetar
225-Terror Squad-10 models, Chainglaive, Artificer Armour, Meltabombs
225-Terror Squad-10 models, Chainglaive, Meltabombs
215-Terror Squad-10 models, Chainglaive, Meltabombs
180-Contemptor-Mortis, Dual Kheres
240-Contemptor-Cortus, Chainfist, two Gravguns, Dreadnought Drop Pod
>>48140594
Kinda dickish, unless you play in a place where there is literally no-one but 40k WAACfags it seems kinda pointless. Sure, you'll win unless someone brings three Leviathans and four Melta squads in pods, but three GW plastic Knights and five marines is the sort of thing i would expect to see in 40k tournaments. Basically, this is the kind of thing that leads to people telling you to neck yourself on the internet.
>>48140752
so drop the knights and buy 20 breachers, run stone gauntlet, get a spartan and a medusa or 3.
>>48140594
Yeah, I wouldn't play against this. It's a good list, but, like the other anon said, you'd need WAACfags to find a game.
>>48140742
On this kind of subject, what number of power-armoured bodies ought a HH list at 2500 to have in it to make it not-dickish? 30-40?
>>48140594
It's not just that you're taking three knights, but that you're also ensuring that nearly everything else is a tank. It reeks of WAAC faggotry, even if that wasn't your intention. Replacing some of the armour with a decent quantity of infantry would make you look like less of an arse.
>>48140594
>>48140752
Yeah, I'm not sure why you're surprised.
Facing a single knight is already "either hard counter it or let it kill everything freely", triple knight becomes "either hard counter it or lose", triple knight + wall of AV13-14 becomes "either bring a tailored list that only has anti-tank or concede before the game even starts".
You might still lose because of your lack of scoring units, but either way it's a horribly frustrating and boring list to play against.
>>48140786
Hoping for plastic breachers later this year, otherwise I'll buy the forgeworld ones. I would love to run a stone gauntlet eventually.
>>48140800
Yeah the WAACyness is partially because my LGS is 40k formation city and also because I like how my paint job on my vehicles came out. Enjoy painting tanks a lot more than infantry.
>>48140786
>>48140752
>>48140833
Or, build a 3000-3500 point army, and bring two Knights as War Machine LoW choices, rather than three as Questoris, and some non-AV. Also fix your formatting, straight battlescribe rips are also pretty cringey
>>48140811
Near me theres a lot of Calth, so most armies are two calth boxes and two out of Spartan/Typhon/Primarch/Leviathan
>>48140850
Can't take Knights as War Machine with RAW. I had a Knight Crusader I was gonna use originally, but /tg/ Reddit and a few other forums all collectively told me I need 2+ Knights to ally with a legion. So I bought the 2 box set and now I have too many Knights. Woops.
>>48141008
And do you have to use all three? Just use two for a pair very powerful, hard to kill threats. Now meltabombs have been nerfed into unusability, Knights are insanely hard to damage for Legions, and can easily destroy things which trouble most legion lists (Flare Shielded Spartans, Typhons, Primarchs that lack s9+)
What would 30k general's most dickish list be for traitor WE for 2500pts?
>>48136928
If you need more stabby or expect them to get in melee power axes work. If you expect them to be shooty then run them as breachers and give them combi bolters
>>48141118
Took your guys advice , here's a revised 2k list using 2 knights (Gallant is WS3/BS3/5++) with a bigger emphasis on troops but also keeping the tank theme. Sorry for the battlescribe:
+++ Imperial Fists Martian Armored Column 2 (1995pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1290pts) ++
+ HQ (230pts) +
Sigismund (230pts)
····Master of the Legion [Armoured Breakthrough]
+ Troops (1060pts) +
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (95pts)
····Legion Predator Tank [Heavy Bolters]
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (95pts)
····Legion Predator Tank [Heavy Bolters]
Legion Tactical Squad (205pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour]
Legion Tactical Squad (205pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour]
Templar Brethren (460pts) [4x Combat Shield, Land Raider Phobos, 4x Templar Brethren]
····Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet]
+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [Loyalist, VII: Imperial Fists]
++ Questoris Knight Crusade Army (Allied Detachment) (705pts) ++
+ HQ (410pts) +
Lord Scion (410pts)
····Questoris Knight Warden [Thunderstrike Gauntlet]
+ Troops (295pts) +
Scion Aspirant (295pts)
····Questoris Knight Gallant [Meltagun]
>>48141188
Learn to write a list in shorthand, it makes listbuilding much easier since you actually know how it all adds up in your head, allowing you to field a more unexpected list every time. Try this out
230-Siggy (PotL)
255-Vets x10 - Rhino, AA, Vexilla (Sniper)
255-Vets x10 - Rhino, AA, Vexilla (Sniper)
460-Templars-5 shields, Gauntlet, Phobos
95-Predator Squadron-HB
1295
410-Knight Warden
295-Knight Aspirant
705
Theres a nasty 2k point IF list which could only ever bring accusations of WAAC from the two knights, which is a much less egregious offence than three, especially with the new box meaning everyone can do it. You lose OS on the predator but gain some actually good troops, since BS5 Snipers can make mincemeat out of most things. Also the list no longer makes your eyes bleed
>>48141395
This was pretty close to my first list I made a while back. But pride of the Legion doesn't allow for allies so that's why I went for the armored breakthrough with an extra predator. One of the few RoWs I found where you can take allies.
>>48141395
As a side note, I really appreciate all the help. I'll do shorthand for the list next time
>>48141418
I'm not taking them as allies, its a War Machine detachment
>>48141443
Hold up, cant do more than 500 points in a 2000 point game, my bad. Gimme a second
>>48140706
Anyone? I'm so used to salamanders that i'm cheering for a chance to paint something other than black and green and move more than 5 inches a phase, but i'd rather not paint something and then find out its unusable.
>>48141547
Why does only one of the Terror squads cost ten points less when two don't have arty armour?
>>48141680
My mistake, it's meant to be 215, last-minute addition of the Chainfist in case someone does something crazy. The total of 1250 is still spot on
>>48141547
I've always thought terror squads without volkite are a bit of a waste.
>>48141726
pretty much, unless you can kit them out for some melee and somehow deliver them
>>48141734
I guess if you're using the FAQ ruling of 1 grenade per squad in close combat then it might be worth adding a heavy chainsword or two for S6 tank punching. Not sure it'd be worth kitting out an entire unit like that though.
>>48141726
>>48141766
An extra 50 points each on a 215-point squad is a pretty big investment. I was planning on just infiltrating them out of sight and trying to get into charge range, but twenty s5 shots with PE is pretty lethal. No-one plays them near me so i'm shooting in the dark for something good. Maybe if i footslog the cortus and cut meltabombs/AA it could fit
>>48141778
I could drop Sevetar down to a Delegatus, or i could bump it up to 1500 points and bring some extra toys. Is Sevetar good as a beatstick HQ? Instant death in challenges is great, especially since I6 will outspeed most enemies, but rending as my source of AP2 is a bit lackluster since i'll probably be facing Paragon Blade Praetors to exclusion.
>>48141811
in 90% of games Sev performs like dogshit for his price for me no ap2 apart from rending, Pretty meh dealing with hordes and gets smushed easily by power-fists and templates. The most use I get out of him is an expensive no scatter deepstrike.
>>48141811
General wisdom seems to be that HH works better at higher points values, so maybe bump to 1500. (Some people will claim 1500 is still too small to play HH properly.)
>>48141845
I'm used to 2500 games as Salamanders, so i was hoping for something that would play completely differently at a smaller scale, and maybe play it against 40k armies. Revised for 1500
175-Sevetar-Terror Assault
275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs
275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs
275-Terror Squad-10 models, Volkite Chargers, Chainglaive, AA, Meltabombs
180-Contemptor-Mortis, Dual Kheres
320-Contemptor-Cortus Talon, 2x dreads, each with Chainfist and 1x Graviton Gun
>>48141833
That sucks, he has a great model and i like his story. I'll probably just use his model for a custom Praetor. Can't be bothered to make a Praetor build at the moment, going to bed to dream of bats and flaying people alive. Good night /HHG/
>>48141833
He's not that bad, if he outnumbers the enemy he rends on a 5+ and he does come with precognition even if it's unlikely to go off.
Just got a NOS Basilisk minus the extra armour. Not really a fan of it, but it was reasonably priced. Any good ideas as to how to make it look more like a Legion vehicle? I have some spare Sentinel engine pieces to stick on the sides to emulate the FW one as well as Iron Warriors etched brass. Not really fond of the shield, though.
>you will never be a VI Legion astartes blasting ancient battle hymns from your helmet speakers while slaying xenos and heretics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDa7yZeci8
>>48140382
Instant Death, ap2 at initative, rerolling invulnerable saves. Sigismund is stupid.
>>48141868
Those Volkite Chargers on jetpacks are going to mince blobs.
>>48142687
What jetpacks?
>>48142733
I was under the impression Terror Squads where jetback infantry. My mistake.
>>48142644
> Posting IW music
> Not using March of the Artillerymen
>>48142859
>VI
>IW
Anon...
Could someone post that 'It's also a hammer' scene?
>>48142655
Dante at least has EW to save him from Siggy's slaughtersome powers.
>>48140706
add 27 volkites and you're good to go m8
>Plastic Cataphracti Terminators- $65
>Resin FW Cataphractiis with fists $61
>Plastic Contemptor Dreadnought- $60
>Resin legion-specific contemptor with any 2 weapons and full posability $69
TOP FUCKING LEL
>>48140811
>On this kind of subject, what number of power-armoured bodies ought a HH list at 2500 to have in it to make it not-dickish? 30-40?
Honestly the whole armoured column list is a touchy subject because it is so vastly different from the rest of the HH armies. Foot slogging infantry heavy armies are much more common in HH than 40k and many people only have enough AT to kill a few light tanks or dreadnoughts, a spartan, and maybe a flyer. My list for example would just get rekt by an armoured column since I have next to no ways to deal with so much armour.
I would suggest include some more infantry (I would take 4 tac squads or something maybe some vets or terminators) and let the opponent list tailor because they are facing such a specialized list.
Last night I had a dream that I was an Iron Warrior that got tasked with repairing, upgrading, and recalibrating Forge Breaker before Pert was going to wield it.
>Who the fuck designed this piece of shit?
*Snicker* Fulgrim.
>Holy shit, all of the damage on this looks like it came from Manus grabbing it with his big iron dickbeaters.
Do ho ho ho ho!
Then Perty comes back.
>WTF took you retards so long?
>>48143475
Everyone needs more deredodorodeohohohos in their life along with a few laser vindicators
>>48138680
Is that a suit of terminator armor that Ferrus made?
>>48143731
Why would he trust one of his boys to do it? Also what was it like?
>>48144030
No, it's just a tartaros suit. Those IH ones are based on Indomitus suits.
>>48144030
>>48144114
Ferrus did make Cataphractii.
>>48135557
>Anyways, does anyone know what two legions are going to be in the next box?
It won't matter would it since things aren't getting specific markings.
>>48140813
>>48140800
Wait does this mean pure Questoris lists are just cheesy as fuck innately?
>>48144265
All of it? What a guy.
>>48144114
>>48144265its because it has no head
>>48144326
Any list with Knights, whether one or many, are innately cheesy.
>>48144334
You bet your butt he did. So next time you paint a Cataphractii you better thank Ferrus.
>>48144346
I noticed.
>>48142859
>how do roman numbers work
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JRjjCfL.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>48134981
So what do you think the Dark Angels will get in their next update ? A third RoW ? Some special terminators ? What will their characters will be like ?
Personally I hope for something more friendly towards large number of infantry fighting in close combat and dueling bonuses for sergeants and other characters. You know, because knights.
>>48144057
We pretty much just did a bunch of math to adjust for the difference in length between Manus and Perturabo's arm length to ensure some displacer field was going to line up with the actual head. And people were like, why do you need to do that? It should just work. And I was like "No it fucking shouldn't. It's a god damn custom job made by some crazy artist. It was not designed for ease of modification or repair."
>>48144538
Well, presumably they're going to get rites of war for Deathwing, Dreadwing, Firewing and Chickenwing at some point. Could be that they'll get one of those, Deathwing with termi models seems feasible.What the hell IS that last wing actually called?
>>48144538
Did Deathwing exist during the heresy? Obviously they weren't white at the time but they'll probably be in there
>>48144580
No no no no, its the Salamanders that get the Chickenwing
>>48144580
DA wont get rites for all the wings before all the other legions get 4 new rites too.
>>48144582
Yes but supposedly the vets wore Artificer armors instead of Terminator armors at the beginning.
>>48144265
No he didn't, GW made them.
>>48144622
In-universe.
>>48135659
>I thought the assault marine legion was chiefly the BA (and the NL with their Raptors)
While all legions had a specialty or gimmick they were all proficient in all aspects of war, there is nothing stopping one Legion from mimicking Tactics of another, especially not the Ultramarines who copy everyone. Also neither of those legions are the Assault marine legion, BA are assault and NL are terror specialists. Jump marines just help them in their designated roles .
>>48144715
Meh, few years from now and their fluff will be completely changed.
>>48144853
Why? Changing the fluff of armor would be stupid. Wait. They did that with mk3 once.
>>48138053
Gulliman, sangi, or Lionel would have been better
>>48144884
Or how about the MkVI? Which is featured in a ton of old HH and Great Crusade art, then in the fluff it's said to have been invented towards the end of the Heresy, and now FW fluff says there were prototypes of the suit circling legions before the Heresy.
Go figure.
>>48144548
>And I was like "No it fucking shouldn't. It's a god damn custom job made by some crazy artist. It was not designed for ease of modification or repair."
You do remember that Fulgrim made the hammer for himself instead of for Ferrus, right?
>>48144941
It doesn't make sense why they'd change the fluff for Cataphractii. As for the Beakie armor after the Heresy is probably when they finalized the design.
>>48144992
I'm pretty sure they weren't made by Ferrus in the old days before the modern fluff. So that already is a change. They can do whatever they like. They can make it so that he helped create them. Or his ideas had influence on the Admech developers. Or he perfected the original designs now lost to history.
>>48144941
Because "towards the end of the Heresy" used to mean literally anything that happened between Isstvan V and Terra. Now we know that was actually a sizable chunk of time.
>>48145029
"Towards the end of the Heresy" as in "traitors are arriving in Sol system." Once traitor took Mars, they distributed the suits to their forces as well.
>>48144775
I meant it as being iconical for the legion to have them as a legion specific (on HH4 the SoH are recorded using terror tactics, and all traitor used banestrike on Istvaan V). For example, IW were all about assaults too, but assault marines look weird in IW colors.
And you bet the BA will have special assault marines too.
>>48144580
Deathwing - Vets/Termies
Ironwing - Tonks (we have this already)
Ravenwing - Bikes
Dreadwing - Destroyers and other proscribed tech
Stormwing - Boarder Assaulters and space fighting
Firewing - Fuck knows, maybe big guns?
>>48144538
Sweet models
I went and did some checking and looks like our boy Scoria's little friend isn't Cron tech at all.
>>48144326
In the Great Order of Shitheadedness, Knights are at the very top. Only the piece of shit known as "double turbo laser Warhound" thrones above them.
>>48145084
What about double pulsar revenant?
>>48144538
I'm hoping for a "Hexagrammaton" type list where all the wings form a unified force. Maybe when the Lion goes donkey kong mad upon the return to Caliban.
>>48145132
This is HHG. All the eldar are sitting eating popcorn and watching the clusterfuck.
>>48145078
Without knowing what that top right image is, I don't see how this proves anything
>>48144599
I dunno, one of the things about the Dark Angels was they could fight in so many different ways, they were more versatile than any other legion. It would fit for them to have more rites of war than any other as a result.
It's because they were the first legion crusading. If there was a problem that needed bikers you couldn't call the White Scars because the White Scars weren't crusading yet, so the Dark Angels had to be able to do lightning bike warfare. If you had a problem that needed scorched earth tactics you couldn't call the Death Guard because they weren't crusading yet either, so the Dark Angels had to be able to do that too. And so on. Pretty much every specialisation that a legion has, the Dark Angels had to be able to do, because there wasn't anyone else.
>>48145156
The top right is a Cron Scarab. I mean look at the legs of Scoria's little friend and the bigger Scarabs. Our boy Scoria's has three legs, the Cron one have four legs each. Also compare the sizes and bodies.
>>48144599
This. Everyone is clearly getting the same number of rites. What kinds of rites, generic or legion specific would people like to see? I would like to see some sort of tactical company that supports taking a very generic sort of list centered on tactical squads, support squads, and heavy weapon squads. Something like
>Every unit gains stubborn if it is within 6" of the same type of unit (eg. if 2 tactical squads are within 6" of each other they each gain stubborn)
>Tactical squads can reroll run and charge distances
>Special weapons squads can choose to get rerolls to hit vs infantry or tank hunters
>Heavy weapons squads can choose to get rerolls to hit vs infantry or tank hunters
>May only take tactical squads as a mandatory troop choice
>For every infantry unit that isn't a special weapon squad, tactical squad, or heavy weapons squad you must have two of the aforementioned units in some combination (eg. 2 vet squads, 3 tac squads, and 2 heavy weapon squads is fine, 3 vet squads, 3 tac squads, and 2 heavy weapon squads isn't)
>May not take more non-transport vehicles than you have infantry squads (so if you have 6 infantry squads you can't have 7 dreadnoughts)
>>48145065
>Deathwing - Vets/Termies (pride of the legion)
>Ironwing - Tonks (we have this already)
>Ravenwing - Bikes (we have this already)
>>48145204
Gib Destroyer rite
>>48145204
You think Deathwing will just be the generic PotL, maybe with unique termies/vets?
>>48145065
I think the Firewing has been described already.
>>48145260
Pretty much, terminators as troops including legion special terminators that are in the elites slot. Unless you can honestly think of another 4 rites for every legion. Why does everyone think their legion is so special that they deserve so much more shit? At most I can think of one or two more rites for my EC (martial perfection for one and degradation of said martial perfection for the other).
>>48145326
Because the Deathwing was a distinct special formation in 30k, not a terminator-armoured 1st company with some special wargear.
>>48145271
... as what?
It's the only one without a Lexicanum page, that much I know
>>48145326
I could see DAngles getting rites where other legions (especially traitor legions) get new units
>>48145179
>they were more versatile than any other legion
That would be the Ultramarines
>>48145393
I said I think it got described already. Don't hold me to it.
>>48144548
30,000 years in MS Paint
>>48145395
Nice way of writing "Alpha legion"
The Eye of Horus Podcast ran through the old fan theory that the major arcana in a tarot deck align pretty well with the primarchs, including the lost two (at least one of which might have a symbol represented in the Blackshields decal sheet, and it makes it easier to see why Lorgar misses them in The First Heretic). Worth listening to. You can also find correlations online since it's not a new idea, but it fits even better with all the fluff that's come out in the last 5+ years.
>>48145186
I hardly think saying because a scarab is bigger the little guy can't be necron is valid. The necrons had a galaxy spanning empire and we don't know all of their tech. It could be a necron thing, it could be something else, but one image comparison isn't conclusive
>>48145250
SW will be the destroyer legion.
>>48145190
I'd like a raven guard rite based around sneaky snipers. We've got drop pod assault and militia big brothers, I'd like something to represent the RG sneaking up on something and then shooting the weak points, in addition to just running a recon company.
In terms of legion specific wargear, I'd like to get the precursor to the stalker bolter, (given we're seeing the precursors to a lot of 40k tech in 30k,) possibly only available in the ROW above. So something like:
>Any model with a boltgun may exchange it for a Hawk's Eye bolter for +5 points. Copy/paste for combi- versions too.
>Hawk's Eye (stalker) bolter: may be fired either as a normal bolter or a 24" range sniper rifle. Models already with precision shots or rending/equivalent achieve these on a 5 or 6 when firing a stalker bolter as a sniper rifle.
>Any squad may buy camoline for +25 points if minimum sized, or +50 points if additional models have been bought.
>No allies, fortifications, or Lords of War other than Corax
>Nothing may deep strike
>Vehicles begin the game in reserve
>No changes to force organisation. (Not that this is normally stated as a restriction, but just to be clear that you can't have sniper vets in Troops, and you have to decide between vets and mor deythan in Elites.)
>>48145425
My sides.
>>48145444
Eh that's true.
I hate bringing up RAW arguments here but here goes:
If a model is armed with a thunder hammer + a power sword and elects to use the power sword, they receive the +1A because the specialist weapon rule does not apply to them as weapons cannot mix rules, it's all or nothing when choosing melee weapons.
The actual caveat for "the other CCW requires the specialist weapon rule to gain +1A" doesn't actually take effect unless the weapon being wielded has the specialist weapon rule in the first place.
All I'm saying is Dynatt gets 4 power sword attacks
>>48145395
That would be Alpha "we literally have suits of Justaetin armor, red butchers painted turquoise and fucking gal Vorbak at our disposal" Legion
>>48145453
>I'd like a raven guard rite based around sneaky snipers
But they can already sneak around and Rend on 5+!
Maybe a way of bringing Mor Deythan as troops or something. And even then, there's the Recon rite.
>>48145450
>SW will be the destroyer legion
Not the DG? Reee :/
But there's that old Night weapons short story. Maybe all the legions should get the Destroyer rite.
>>48145190
I'd like a WE rite that represents them having gone full Khorne. Makes tactical and assault squads fearless with furious charge, but you can't take more vehicles than infantry or any allies/fortifications. Maybe even the only vehicles you can take are transports and dreads, period. Crimson Path is a nice start, but it feels to me more like a midpoint in the fall or just results of apothecary tinkering from Surlak. Basically make the new knew one Berserker Assault+1 I guess
>>48145521
The 5+ rend is one turn only (unless there's something I've missed?). I'm just not a fan of one shot abilities, especially as those feel like they fit the drop pod assault thing and I was looking for something different.
>>48141118
>Now meltabombs have been nerfed into unusability
Stop spreading this lie, there has been no official FAQ release stating these rules.
Ya gotta crash your ship into the hi*urp*ive, Morty. It's the only way. You gotta do it, Morty.
>>48143464
Time to order more BaC boxes, while I still can.
>>48145996
Someone the other day was asking if 40k ships can enter and leave planetary environments, and the subject of ramming ground targets came up
In the words of one anon
>It's 40k. Any stupid, wasteful, destructive, and incredibly metal thing has been done at least once in some corner of the lore
