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OP from first thread >>48126755
>If the country of North America was somehow teleported to a standard fantasy world, what would be the immediate repercussions? Would they be able to keep the Internet going? Would schools have to teach Dwarvish and Elvish?
>>48133181
>Not using the adorable American Harpy.
Shame on you anon.
post >yfw the Allied States btfo of the witch king
>>48133249
Sorry, other guy wanted a new pic an I couldn't find one
>>48133294
>>>/pol/
>>48133249
There isn't enough stars on the flag therefore harpy discarded.
>>48133294
Oregon.
>>48133294
Bureau of Land Management mormon thingy.
>>48133320
Should of used this one.
Question since this came up, what resources would America be on the look out for after the transition? Other than oil of course, but I mean things like crops that aren't grown that much in America
Also, I hope that writefag comes back, his shit was good
>>48133401
Rare earths.
>>48133401
A bunch of rarer metals and chemicals mostly, Rare Earths in particular. 97% come from China, mainly because they have a lot, and partially because they don't care mining it is terrible for the environment.
Our main problem wouldn't really be not having any single material, but not having nearly enough of everything that we CAN make.
So, if America is now in a world where belief can be shaped into gods, I think people would make noise about Burning Man. It wouldn't go anywhere, because people would either not want to slide down the slippery slope of regulating what can and cannot be attended as an adhoc measure against rogue belief formations or not believe Burning Man has enough stable beliefs associated with him to take hold, but I feel it would be a safe, relatively harmless hot-button topic for the news cycle to latch onto and to start internet fights over.
>>48133181
We need monster girls with unwavering patriotism.
>>48133512
Getting tired of the 'belief makes things real' thing from last thread.
>>48133401
merican territories actually have a ton of oil reserves, the stuff is valuable but aside from environmental concerns there's no reason not to tap it once you're basically forced to make do.
Natural gas, and coal are next up, especially with the uses of Coal and Coke (coal byproduct, google it) in the use of trains. With the relative rarity of refined oil in the wake of North America's transportation you're gonna see a rise in the use of Horses and Bikes for personal transportation, busses, subway trains, and of course continental railway lines.
but to answer your main question:
new plants that can be used in medicine, animals for much the same purpose, new cultures to exploit via trade and cultural exchange, rare earths for their uses in electronics and other devices, silicon and similar materials for electronics, certain fissile materials like thorium for its relative ease of use in nuclear power projects, uranium, etc...
>>48133276
Right, so America beats down the evil wizard Whatshisface, what next?
I'm guessing growing pains of new trade routes and diplomacy.
>>48133512
that depends on whether or not anyone knows that's what happens.
or, you know, whether or not that happens at all. not a huge fan of that kind of setting.
>>48133624
>not a huge fan of that kind of setting.
>>48133578
Yeah, there was already a Mage the Ascension set mostly in America, called Mage the Ascension, where you used the magick of memes to kill people with total coincidences.
>>48133539
So wait, would America be a vacuum of magical/supernatural/monstrous elements or would they begin to arise from within it?
>>48133578
You could always provide commentary on one of the alternatives.
>>48133446
>>48133505
Makes me feel kinda stupid, but I've never been positive on what makes something a Rare Earth element, get the feeling it's just as simple as being rarely found on earth though
>>48133578
Well that was more the belief fuels/creates gods thing most fantasy settings have nowadays, but yeah, it's not as interesting as the potential economic shifts and cultural clashes that would occur
>>48133588
I'd imagine there'd be a big push for expeditions to seek new plants and trading partners, actually how would that be done? Contacting an unknown nation to trade is something we haven't had to do in a long time
>>48133669
The last thread assumed vacuum but admitted if the belief=god thing held true then things like YHWH and Satan may pop up
>>48133624
entire new world to explore, new diseases to deal with, new races, new cultures, new laws of physics to explore. Possible civilizations on the moon to fight with so we can keep satellites in orbit. Possibly have to employ digital peace keeping force to fight literal cyberdemons.
>>48133675
It's just a name for a bunch of metals that are useful in electronics.
How long does it take for other societies to start defecting?
Assuming a standard fantasy setting, the average standard of living in the newly-displaced America is going to be several thousand times that of the surrounding area. Some will remain loyal to king and country, but a large majority are going to want in on that action.
Does America go full manifest destiny and start annexing everything, or would we want to keep the rate of assimilation low? A large amount of new citizens will produce a severe supply shock to labor, but it would come with a demand shock as well, since we'd need to implement infrastructure over huge parts of land.
>>48133675
They're gleaned from rare elements and tend to be really unpleasant for the environment to extract.
>>48133401
From our world:
Rare earth metals to continue building microprocessors and integrated circuits. Otherwise we'll have to shift back to technology from the 50's - 70's that, while serviceable and durable, isn't as fast as modern day technology.
Natural gas, coal, and oil will be next, mainly to keep the lights on, houses warm, and vehicles running to continue farming and transporting goods around the continent.
After that we'll be looking outward for areas to exploit, like for radioactive material, ways to use any potential magic source for ways to generate electricity.
>>48133675
>>48133675
Rare earth elements are elements that bind to others very easily and therefore aren't found in their pure form anywhere and are very hard to separate without producing toxic by products. Too bad most of our "green tech" needs them to work.
I'm personally prefer absent or low key deific intervention. Have cryptids and so on from the american continent be part of a sort of 'age of magic' feel with the world left behind being in a low age of magic while the one NA has been brought to has a high magic level. So it's less "Belief makes Satan/YHWH real" more "Wendigos and Skinwalkers were in hibernation. Get your shotgun."
oh and cultural icons like Super Heroes or Luchadores have to be interesting to your hypothetical orc/elvish/dwarvish waifu.
>>48133675
>belief fuels/creates gods thing most fantasy settings have nowadays
Is it really that common? I can't think of any setting where that applies, except maybe Exalted as a function of the Cult background. Real movers and shakers are still far beyond needing mortals there too.
>>48133181
Wasn't there an alternate history novel, or series of novels, where the island of Nantucket got transported back in time to central Germany?
>>48133737
I'd say that entrepreneurial Murikans would see huge advantages for things like centaurs and giants. They have a hard time getting enough food, while being less full of surprises than other fantasy denizens -- they can't really blend in, would be mostly at the mercy of their employers, and can't use cars etc., while being great for heavy lifting and such. Very useful.
>>48133825
It's basically been confirmed that in the Forgotten Realms setting, for every god other than Ao (the Overgod), the rest need the worship/belief of their followers to keep their existence going and maintain their divine portfolio/powers.
And even for Ao, it's said that he answers to a higher power, which we infer to be the GM of the campaign set in the FR.
>>48133825
The closest is that post Time of Troubles, Io cursed the Faerunian Pantheon to have to maintain worshipers or else they would lose their powers (but worshipers don't = power gain, just loss of worshipers means power loss), and it had representation in a Conan story as well.
>>48133737
there's 300 million people in America alone, nevermind Canada and Mexico and it's generally agreed we're taking everything to the panama canal, at least, to the fantasy world.
Add into it a crisis event that kills off a lot of people and on average most fantasy worlds being fairly medievil in terms of technology (barring some kind of industrialized magic or diefic blessings to wash away the filth and feed the populace) and you're looking at 100 Million people worldwide in fantasy land.
Immigration is gonna be an issue but within a generation or so the new economy won't have an issue dealing with an influx of immigrants ready to integrate with the Three Kingdoms.
>>48133830
Those are two different series.
1632 is about a West Virginia town in Central Germany, while the Nantucket series is about Nantucket in the Bronze Age Mediterranean.
>>48133815
>Transformers vs GI Joe
WHAT A RIDE
>>48133917
>Those are two different series.
Thanks!
>>48133876
>>48133880
So it works in Forgotten Realms, Conan and Exalted. Seems pretty much anywhere else though America just gets to contend with whatever gods they have by relying on science and technology though.
>>48133737
Force the people in conquered territory out and offer sweetheart deals to white settlers to move in and claim the land. As you conquer your way south, repeat this process until you drive the shitskins into the strait of Magellan.
>>48133917
Yo Joe Motherfucker
>>48133705
>Possible civilizations on the moon to fight with so we can keep satellites in orbit
Hope we have Neil Armstrong, he has experience in fucking shit up on the moon.
So When this happens, The gubment goes to shit, as the narrative doesn't matter, people will look for a leader over bueracracy, nukes will be dropped on any real threat, and we may will an new god into existance. Manifest destiny will begin anew, and people, now in need of protection, will probably stop trying to grab guns
What if Australia were in a fantasy land?
>>48134044
he's dead, anon
>>48134077
>regular Australian tuesday
memes aside, they'd probably do okay.
>>48134077
It already is, mate.
>>48134077
Isn't it?
>>48134077
Gun laws get repealed, in all likelyhood, abbos integrate with orcs
>>48133782
Once magic is confirmed as real, though, it probably won't take too long before we have engineers working on a way to use it as a power source to supplant traditional fuels like coal. The Bottomless Jug/Wall of Fire steam engine is a popular example in DnD analogues.
>>48134167
>Abos teach the Orcs petrol magic
God save us all.
>>48134101
>He didn't catch the Touhou reference.
Pleb.
Personally I like to think/hope that, at first North America would be a land/region devoid of magic, where we are still reliant upon our technology and science to keep things going.
But as the years go by and we learn more about the world we've been teleported to and the continued integration of beliefs, cultures, and technology, that magic begins to sprout forth in certain areas. First, in locations with significant cultural belief of the concept/idea of 'magic,' and then after 50-100 years, as magic continues to seep through the country and into our beliefs and technology, we eventually become as acclimated to seeing someone throwing a fireball as we do seeing someone pull out a firearm.
And then they start to intermingle, and THEN we get the really freaky stuff, thanks to engineers getting their creative, physics-breaking hands on things that break the laws of nature and physics.
>>48134452
>Neverending magazines
>no recoil
>no jams
>runes on bullets
lord have mercy
Lets talk about gods, pantheons, and the whole 'belief = power' schtick
If this were the case, I would expect a brand new religion to come up out of nowhere that suddenly gets a ton of traction, that has the power to create literally anything and is subservient to man, and totally isnt a social project of the CIA and NSA
Centaurs are Texas' purest form of country wife. A buxom pair as if they were homegrown, and a powerful steed for cattle wrangling. What more could a cowbow ask for?
>>48134770
If the whole "belief = power" thing exists in this world, there's a good chance that YHWH would suddenly pop into existence shortly after North America shows up in this world. The most likely thing would be that it's a lawful evil or lawful neutral diety, and has domain over Law, Anger, and Fire.
The more interesting scenarios would be if Satan, New Testament God, and/or Muhammad also show up.
>>48134851
> cowbow
>>48134915
Do you just have that saved in case someone makes that typo?
>>48134893
YHWH, yes. As to Old or New Testament YHWH, thats an unknown, however I would think it would be New Testament considering most churches and their followers arent the WBC or live their lives like the Amish
Satan even more so. I would think there are more people who believe in a devil before they believe in God
I instinctually would say no to Muhammad because of how small Muslims are proportionally to the rest of the USA, but then I remembered that is still a few million or so, and thats bound to be enough people to create a firm Muhammad and Allah-esque diety
Thinking about it, based on the above, I would think that almost every major religion out there would have their diety(ies) created, just based on the sheer size of the US population.
Even still, my point on the CIA or the NSA using social engineering to create a diety to benefit the US government is in the distinct realm of possibilities
>>48134646
>Le Pix fer Ants.
>>48134893
>not Lawful Good
>>48134987
>>48134770
>the NSA and the CIA engineer a religion to make a god that benefits the government
>they don't tell each other
>now there's two of these gods running aroundoptionally, the CIA's is solely for their own benefit
>>48134987
It's complicated by the fact that most people who subscribe to an Abrahamic religion will agree that they all worship the same God, but that the other sects are just doing it wrong. I don't think you'd get a lot of different YHWH, but rather one that was an amalgam, probably in proportion to the distribution of faiths.
>>48134893
/tips fedora
>>48135027
>not calling fedora at
>>YHWH would suddenly pop into existence
>>48135027
If we go by Old Testament YHWH, that dude is probably Lawful Evil based on how much of a dick he is to his followers in the books.
New Testament God is probably Neutral Good.
>>48134915
>Cow
>>48135085
I like to think Old Testament God was a grumpy asshole who just didn't understand why humanity couldn't fucking follow his rules if they were going to live in his house.
Then he realized humanity was comparatively retarded/autistic and backpedalled out of guilt to become the New Testament God.
>>48133181
One half would be A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. After bringing up the fellow human populace on to our cultural level, it's time for mass capitalism and industrialisation.
>>48135164
And then he realized that the whole be nice to everybody thing didn't really work out for the general faithful who started destroying Roman shit and generally being idiots, so he became Allah and decided to give a big fuck you to everyone a few centuries later.
>>48134893
>>48134987
>>48135053
>>48135056
>>48135063
>>48135072
>>48135085
>>48135164
Less religion speculating, more Americans in fantasy shenanigans.
>>48135256
>Less religion speculating, more Americans in fantasy shenanigans.
... But America is a deeply religious society.
>The Debate on Religion IS the Americans in Fantasy Shenanigans.
>YFW you really could cast a clerical spell to poll G-d's opinion on Fags.
>>48135256>tfw you remember when that edit was made
Good times
Alright, lemme ask, how much of the United States Navy is taken along for the trip? Because that really does effect what America does, considering they may have to rebuild the majority Atlantic and Pacific fleet, and if it does come along, then they have the most powerful navy in comparison to Mexico and Canada, but the most powerful navy in any conception of fantasy kingdoms, not to mention the 1st and 2nd most powerful airforces on the planet
>>48135286
It's getting pretty trite. Can we move on to a new talking point? Like how Walmart would try to capitalize on magic? Like set aisles for novice adventurers? Or having outsourcing their stores in the middle of another country's marketplace?
>>48135072
Well, it wouldn't actually be God, but in such a setting a being that would /call/ itself God would show up.
I don't exactly recommend worshiping it.
>>48135256
>someone tries pulling a snake oil scam on the locals
>it turns out snake oil is a pretty potent alchemical ingredient
>>48135326
Just the stuff at home, I think.
...now that you mention it, does Hawaii come along for the ride? It's not exactly close to North America.
>>48135378
>it wouldn't actually be God, but in such a setting a being that would /call/ itself God would show up
>God is real
>but so is this guy
That would be funny for about a minute.
>>48135404that's why I've been pulling against the whole "belief warps reality" thing
>>48135326
All of the vessels docked in other countries, the mainland and the islands, and ones currently on voyage. The only bases that get transportwd are the ones in America + Hawaii, Alaska, etc.
Real question would really be two things:
Would the dollar, Canadian dollar, and the peso still be fiat? I can see some crazy shit if it remains the case. Even if it isnt, I can definitely see some clandestine CIA ops to steal boatloads of precious metals to boost American currency
>Merchants, beware venturing forth into the Kingdoms of Glass, Iron, and Fire if you bring coins of gold or silver, as these metals are incredibly coveted by the peoples of all three nations, even the extremely prosperous Allied States.
Secondly, how other fantasy nations react to having a revitalized American manufacturing pumping out massive amounts of cheap, high-quality goods onto their market?
>>48135504
>Would the dollar, Canadian dollar, and the peso still be fiat?
Yes, if only out of inertia making it suicide to change, going back to gold would require us to massively reorganize the banking system and wouldn't help as long as the American economy resembles anything of it's modern incarnation
>Secondly, how other fantasy nations react to having a revitalized American manufacturing pumping out massive amounts of cheap, high-quality goods onto their market?
Honestly it has a high chance of fucking their economy, best case they end up relying on america for stuff really fast as their middle class booms, worst case civil unrest, most likely case is massive tariffs and/or limits to trading and a shit ton of smugglers
>>48135504
What sort of races would flock to America and what would they be looking for there? Elves? Dwarves? Orcs? Halflings? Monster girls!? DRAGONS!?
>>48135724
Elves would probably be into the whole National Park thing.
>>48135724
>What sort of races would flock to America and what would they be looking for there?
Probably any race that isnt completely evil, has some form of intelligence, or bent on killing shit 24/7
>Elves?
Probably come there to see the various nature and shit. Considering how North America has almost every single climate on the face of the earth, I think they would enjoy what they found
>Dwarves?
Well we have huge as fuck mountains that also have lots of resources and/or precious metals in them, not to mention tons of shiny, fat loot, not to mention shit tons of alcohol
>Orcs?
Well I would think a deal of citizenship for military service is a win-win for them, especially if we let them do some of the new New World scouting instead of risking American lives. Even still I think they would be up for typical frat and sports culture
>Halflings?
Probably the same reason any regular person would come to America
>Monster girls!?
Cant think of any reason beyond curiosity, but I want them to come for the sake of my dick
>DRAGONS!?
Well, we have lots of valuable shit, but they would likely get BTFO if they tried to raid any towns or shit
>>48135724
>>48135935
>bear-people show up after misunderstanding the "right to bear arms" thing
>>48135994
>>48133181
>If the country of North America was somehow teleported to a standard fantasy world, what would be the immediate repercussions?
Panic among the globalist elites as their lifestyle could no longer be propped up by multi-national corporations using third world labor.
Followed by immediate relief as they realize they could exploit cheap goblin labor instead.
>Would they be able to keep the Internet going?
Yes, but computer parts would get expensive until we could rebuild the manufacturing infrastructure we sent to China.
>Would schools have to teach Dwarvish and Elvish?
Elvish, no. They wouldn't want us butchering their language, so they would just learn English and start building influence with the media.
Dwarvish, yes. Fucking Dwarves coming here taking our jobs, and not even bothering to learn the language. Fucking liberals teaching out kids that damn beardy tongue in our schools. Fucking beardies digging up the Rockies. Time to take back our Purple Mountains Majesty!
>>48133782
>Natural gas, coal, and oil will be next, mainly to keep the lights on, houses warm, and vehicles running to continue farming and transporting goods around the continent.
Implying we wouldn't use clean burning Dragons.
>>48135367
>Like how Walmart would try to capitalize on magic? Like set aisles for novice adventurers?
Yeah, Walmart has the cheapest swords, but their made in Notmordor. You know how crappy that orc craftsmanship is.
>>48134452
>after 50-100 years
You're underestimating us. Try like ten.
>>48136771
That might be how long it takes for more "mundane" things like health potions or any magical alloys scavenged and reverse engineered from that evil fucker, but the incredibly complex stuff is going to wait until after we retool the economy to the new situation.
>>48135462
Wait, how far are we going to establish what's American?
•American Samoa.
•Guam.
•Northern Mariana Islands.
•Puerto Rico.
•U.S. Virgin Islands.
Do these come along for the ride too?
>>48137123
Of coursh!
>>48137123
I think those are all too far out.
>>48137256
>>48137123
I like to think they weren't close enough to be pulled fully into the new reality, but sort of strung across the interplanar medium like a rickety wooden bridge between [World name here] and Earth.
To give the setting something to do a few decades or generations down the timeline.
>MURICA!!!! and the neighbors get TP'ed into generic fantasyland #102387243893479347893479.
>All of /tg/ hasn't gone looking for wizards to let them be the little girl after like a month.
Seriously faggots step up your game.
>>48137391
So, like, if you 'island hopped' along the American pacific territories in order of proximity from nearest to the mainland to furthest you might actually work your way out to the home dimension?
Kinda a neat idea. How long do you think it would take for explorers to work that out and would it work in reverse?
>>48136771
This is how I envision things going within the first 50-100 years of North America getting teleported into this fantasy world.
Year 1:
> Lots of restructuring and shifting of production away from a consuming nation to a producing nation, increase in "blue collar" jobs as factories get back in running order. Securing of borders for all 3 countries (assuming it's USA, Canada, and Mexico down to Panama Canal that gets ported over) against foreign invaders as people begin to explore. Reinforcing and fixing existing infrastructure.
Years 2-5:
Stabilization of what we need to survive in terms of food, consumption of electricity, etc. Borders are stabilized and reset, and the beginnings of exploration start to occur.
Years 5-10:
Finding out more of the world we've landed in, setting up trade routes with new locations, beginning the process of either shifting our economy off the dollar and into actual hard currency, or the introduction of the dollar (and credit) to our new neighbors. NASA has probably launched a few satellites by now, so we'll start to have accurate readings of the world's geography and topography, which lets us better find resources to mine. Beginnings of intermingling of cultures and beliefs between the NA countries and the rest of the new world.
Years 11-20:
Continued intermingling of cultures, histories, etc., as people begin to experiment more fully/carefully with any potential magic that might exist in this world; testing pros and cons of it, how it reacts with our technology, etc. (People might've imported magical items before, but it's only now that we start to get creative with it).
Years 21-50:
Continued blending of science and technology, eventually leading to new schools of magic being taught/discovered. NA begins to offer 'public' teaching options of schools of magic, technomagic, etc., for the new generation, as the old one begins the process of storing and securing our knowledge on paper and in digital format.
>>48137466
Not sure. Probably a few years after the economy got back on track and the evil wizard was shot before any research into planes bears any fruit.
Probably a couple years before they could chart the way back effectively.
I'm imagining some real Bermuda Triangle shenanigans on either side, before anyone figures it out. US Navy signals from ships left at Hawaii coming through on stormy nights on "this" side, a Kraken riddled with bullet wounds washing up in Chile on the Earth side. Debris and lost souls, seemingly at random, filtering through across the "bridge".
Now, a native wizard would notice something was up straight away, but they'd have to /get/ there first. Which is another reason it would take a few years.
To say nothing of the strangeness the islanders find themselves in, suspended between worlds.
On a side note, a little slice of France, in the form of those islands /very/ close to the Canadian coast, would be dragged along with North America. So that's neat.
I'm surprised we haven't made Uncle Sam a god in this setting yet.
>>48138043
Nobody has cared about uncle sam in a long time.
Is there room to expand? If our borders weren't walled off by oceans and there were more natural resources it would be our manifest destiny to conquer the planet.
>>48135027
New Testament god has way more followers than either Old testament god or Allah. Satan is also probable, considering how many Christians believe in the literal existence of the devil.
>>48137697
>Securing of borders for all 3 countries (assuming it's USA, Canada, and Mexico down to Panama Canal that gets ported over)
There are countries between Mexico and the Panama Canal, friend. Like Panama.
>>48137706
>On a side note, a little slice of France, in the form of those islands /very/ close to the Canadian coast, would be dragged along with North America. So that's neat.
>YFW new French Empire
>>48138558
Well yeah, but I ran out of text space so I had to cut out or simplify some of what I was trying to say.
>>48138575
France is already an empire on which the sun never sets, just like the UK.
bump for interest
Bumping with shitty little map.
>>48142493
>fog of monster girl transformation
Wow, you were right to call your map shitty. kys tbqh thx ttl.
I have a copypasta for threads like these!
When the spangled banner waves.
A web novel from japan in which pre-WW2 murica is transported to fantasyland by mages of a losing group. The final BBEG country adapts and build up bigger wyvern carriers, 4-legged tanks with weak armor and big guns, garand with magic shots and cartridge but with difficult reloding process, anti ship missiles that home on lifesigns, reverse-engineered torpedoes, ocean critteres trained and used as subs, and so much more I'm to lazy to write about.
And a lot of changes to murica as well. P-51s start off with the proper engine, M-26 are actually produced, A1D, F7F, F8F are used to counter enemy wyverens with stronger magic shields, magic-technology decryptor that can listen to the enemy comms, ECM equivalent of magic against the eny's lifesensing magic (their equivilant of our radar).
Big battleship fights, carrier fights, mechanised infantry marching, counter artillery, shooting zombies with battlecruisers and LCUs armed woth rocket launchers, building like 30 carriers to absolutely crush the opposing wyvern carriers and bombing the shit out of their primary factories, B-29 bombing from so high that wyverens can't intercept them and only their own magic planes can reach and fight (which is often futile), dropping cloudmaker bombs on enemy forts, animal-ear people country with an enthuastic queen that rapidly absorved modern tactics and makes improvised rocket trucks, Battleships shelling islands for 3 days before landing, did I mention fleet battles? Lots of ship battles. And PTboats charging into a battleship and a heavy cruiser as a last dirch effort to torp them, thus protecting the port and the landing force they were protecting.
I could say a LOT more about this but I'm lazy, so here's the link.
http://www26.atwiki.jp/jfsdf/pages/708.html
MOONRUNES ALERT
>>48143805
>building like 30 carriers to absolutely crush the opposing wyvern carriers
Do you know how many Carriers the US built in WW2? It was a lot more than 30.
Aircraft carriers built in the US before end of WW2
Class - Number Built
Langley - 1
Lexington - 2
Ranger - 1
Yorktown - 3
Wasp - 1
Essex - 24
Independence - 9
Misc Training - 2
Avenger-class - 4
Long Island - 2
Bogue-class - 45 (Attacker & Ruler Class, UK)
Sangamon-class - 4
Casablanca - 50
Commencement Bay - 19
Jesus Christ, I thought it was closer to 100.
>>48133181
I'm actually running a campaign in a custom setting that is "Gulf Coast America as a Fantasy Realm". Not so much modern USA dropped onto another planet, but many traditional aspects of American culture can be found here. For one, there are city states in around the Mississippi river expy that do practice slavery, and have bred and conditioned a slave race of Muls for the purposes of harvesting cotton and processing sugar cane. Elves are stand ins for asians and arabs, and dwarves are simply the Scotch-Irish. Halflings are jewish entrepreneurs and gnomes are german immigrants who invent better versions of things. Hob Goblins are Mexicans and Orcs are the native savages who were wiped off the continent half a century ago. There are newspapers, pamphlets and leather bound books, as well as firearms and flying broomsticks. Lots of fucking farmland and pine lumber forests. There are a few mines in the north, but most wealth is made in cash crops or the slave trade among free states. There is one monotheistic religion and a half dozen bullshit pagan faiths. Guns are outlawed in most cities but are perfectly legal in the country. Most citizens are too fat and distracted to give a fuck about the outside world and its problems with slavery and bandit raids. Outlaws are common in the west.
>>48135636
You know, Luddites came about from a guy named Ludd who lost his job to a machine and then took a hammer to it. Imagine that kind of attitude, but with the backing of entire nations of lizard folk, orcs, and goblins as traditional manual labor jobs get outsourced to the new continent, leaving even the civilized folk without recourse.
I'd vote for undermining their home support by introducing them to social welfare programs. Can't get mad about not having a job if you don't need a job right now! Everybody, quick, point out why that's wrong and stupid.
How would Elves take to the new McDonalds opening up in their lands? What would be their regional specials?
>>48145016
Twelve kinds of Veggie Burger.
Seriously, though, I think the exchange of Vegan recipes would be a good way to establish relations with traditional Elven empires.
Oh, hey. You know how the potato was originally an Incan, or at least Meso-American, plant before it was brought around the world for being such a great staple crop? Would that mean no one in the fantasy lands had ever tried fries before?
That'd be a great cultural exchange. Teach us which plants are magical and why/how, and we'll super size your meat-free chili cheese fries for free.
Addendum: what the fuck is with this picture the capture gave me? Specifically, the upper left corner.
>>48142493
neat.jpg
>>48144725
well, it was more than 30, actually. the copypasta must be referring to a scene where the spy reports of an arriving of 30-ish escort carriers and two large, armored carriers to the port on the friendly side fantasyland harbor. in which the intelligence and higher-ups of the big bad county promptly is baffled about.
>>48135935
>America being this open to magical immigration
>>48143805
Is there an english version?
>>48142493
Remove Kehba!
>>48133848
What can they do that isn't done better by machines?
How self sufficient is the USA? Would a sudden halt in imports that they previously imported from the modern world cause chaos? How would they keep their high tech civilisation ticking over until they could locate, mine and produce vital resources from the new world?
>>48147372
>How self sufficient is the USA?
One of the few modern nations that could go full Madagascar and not fuck itself
>Would a sudden halt in imports that they previously imported from the modern world cause chaos?
A spike in prices and some short term rationing but nothing society ending
>How would they keep their high tech civilisation ticking over until they could locate, mine and produce vital resources from the new world?
Mostly likely a temporary regress to 90ish tech before we get microprocessor manufacturing up and running and shift to exploit american resources/buy raw materials from other lands
>>48133848
I dunno, they'd be useful for certain physical labor, but we generally already /have/ lots of cheap physical labor.
Thanks Mexico!
No, what would be most useful to 'Murica (& Canada & Mexico) would be the same thing useful here and now: skilled labor.
In this case, Wizards and makers of products we don't have.
>>48147372
Pretty close to what >>48147468 said. There'd be a sharp increase in price of oil in the interim as we shift away from our gluttonous, wasteful use of oil and greater use of public transportation until we got factories up and running to build more fuel efficient and/or hybrid cars (or ways to convert our current cars and trucks over to burn fuel more efficiently).
>>48148793
trains would see heavier use, Amtrac is gonna see serious govermental investment
>>48137697
In my opinion there's no fucking way your "years five to ten" wouldn't overlap with the previous five years. Remember that each country is made of more than one person, and so more than one thing can be done at a time. The eleven to twenty period seems only distinct from what follows in that shit isn't taught in schools. That's a super vague boundary. Computers being used for schools is a big part of what pushed the acceptance of the personal computer in general, but there are still depressingly many schools which don't have any computer-oriented curriculum.
>>48145144
It could be like that time that the Californians wanted to build a railroad back to the East (and the East wanted to build one to California) so they gave all the natives in the way free passes to ride the train and a bunch of food. (The Easterners instead went for prolonged and costly wars, and therefore lost the race to the agreed upon meeting place, despite having perfect terrain to work with).
>>48149139
I think that anon's example of the timeline would be a rather slow, methodical approach that he'd have had.
Realistically, once every country has secured their borders, put rations and other wartime-like protocols into place, NASA and every private company capable of building and launching a satellite into space would be firing them up to re-establish GPS and start getting a new understanding of the world they suddenly appeared on.
And trade would probably occur within the first year or two as well, once we made sure that nothing we were going to get that's "foreign" wouldn't kill us via disease, magical or otherwise.
So... What happens to the magical kingdom that replaces North America on Earth, and coincidentally replaces the homes of half America's armed forces? I'm thinking at least some of that manpower is going to wind up trying to build new homes where the old homes used to be.
>>48145144
>Hand Platter
my guess is the Captcha is Google's way of getting other people to teach their algorithms what things are, without having to pay them.
>>48148793
>>48148912
Imagine how smug all those Cyclist fuckers would be.
I can imagine magic being taught in school, with certian branches demonized, and actual practicing is in special classes.
>There is a strange phenomena in the Kingdoms of Iron, Glass, and Steel.
>A ministry dedicated to preventing and combatting disease is not so foreign a concept.
>but one that actively collects samples of disease that their wizards may study? That was a concept I required explanation on. The Plague Priests of Paldas were the last group I know of to do such a thing and they were justifiably wiped out with an alliance of multiple kingdoms.
>But strangely the Three Kingdoms have no interest in using these diseases as a weapon. (though they uncomfortably admit to researching such things. Apparently weaponized diseases were among their greater worries, leading to paranoid viziers and such researching such horrible weapons in the hopes of having a response should a neighboring kingdom break their Oaths of Peace)
>Instead these diseases are cultivated with the utmost care and studied, once properly studied a method is found to expose the populace to the disease without causing an outbreak or death in the subject. This is called "Vaccination." In much the way master of ceremonies will pick proper match ups between fighters and engage in preperation so an entertaining match will occur their wizards will prepare weakened versions of these diseases and expose them to the populace, especially the children who, as we all know, usually suffer the most from plague.
>Bin being exposed to weaker versions of these maladies the subject gains a resistance, if not full immunity to the proper disease. The populace then grows up and within generations often forgets that the diseases their parents suffered from even existed.
>I am told however that nature is hardly cooperitive and produces deadlier and stranger diseases with every year.
>or simply produces diseases that, while being relatively harmless, change their nature with such regularity that there is nothing to be done but prescribe bedrest and let the body fend off the disease.
>>48151918
Oh, hey you're back with another nice snip, thanks
>>48151918
Do you think you could come up with one on religion and how it is all entirely faith-based and doesnt effect the physical world
>>48152068
They call our god/gods pretty pathetic. Afterall this is a world were there is literally NO question of does god exist. They do and often intercede on the behalf of their followers. Honestly i could EASILY see the faithful-minded converting to the nearing similar religion to Christianity because it actually fucking works for once.
There's a franchise of fantasy novels called "The Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone" where an American colony in Roanoke that mysteriously disappeared in ACTUAL history was actually teleported to another dimension, where the humans populating it were enslaved by aliens.
Unfortunately the novels themselves take place centuries after the aliens were overthrown and is more of a generic high-fantasy story, with humans having thoroughly populated and taken control of the setting itself.
>>48153216
>Roanoke
>mysterious
Hm, the people wrote the name of a tribe on a tree, and that tribe now has blue-eyed people on it. I wonder where the hungry and incompetent people, surrounded by established and happy societies, could possibly have gone.
>>48153250
Please, no proof was ever found that explained the dissaperance and the rumors of "blue eyed" tribes people were never proven, and as such, can't be used to explain the dissaperance of the town.But that totally fucking happened, even if the blue eyed rumors were never confirmed, because where else would they have gone or what else could have happened, skinwalkers?
>>48153597
>skinwalkers
I wouldn't worry about it.
>>48156027
>I wouldn't worry about it.
Color me scared
>>48134893
>>48134987
YHWH WRITES the alignment chart; He could be any damn alignment He pleased.
>>48149263
>New exploitable miracle resource
>Pre-Industrial society
See what happened to the Middle East and Africa.
>>48156476
You can trust us huma- I mean anon
>>48146750
unfortunately no. there's only one translation and that's korean. and it doesn't even include the side stories.
say, I wonder if I can set up a translation request thread on /lit/. that's what they do, right?
>>48151918
oh yes it's you. can you write one about the murrican carrier fleet? or air force? hell, maybe a single aegis destroyer. anything along the lines of that.
maybe also about modern large cargo barges. is trade available in this setting? the canadians earned some brownie points with some locals, right?
>>48133379
>Should of
>>48156695
Not an argument. As long as there have been gods in D&D they have been measurable by the alignment system and there are gods of all alignments.
>>48133181
Bump
>>48156027
>>48149580
Yep. Smug. Sure. Until griffins and stirges make riding about in open vehicles even more of a danger to life and limb than it already is. Mosquitoes are already bad enough in urban environments.
>>48151918
Think you can do one on our media?
To keep things even remotely interesting, I think the subject of religion should avoid any definable rules regarding 'belief makes gods', because otherwise there is nothing in the world that matters except population. Everything boils down to 'we have more believers, so our god wins, so we win. All other factors and circumstances can get fucked'.
That's boring as shit and washes away countless other, much more interesting details.
So I would say that our organized religions might find that miracles and faith based powers pack some extra punch now, but we still have no direct intervention or communication on behalf of god.
Whether or not the native fantasy gods are more active is another matter, but I despise the wankery that comes along with 'but what if we just abuse the power of belief? Belief farms, hurr durr'. It always just turns into trying to solve all problems with SAYING that the problem is solved until it actually is with no effort.
>>48133249
That fugly thing isn't adorable.
>>48138575
I think St-Pierre & Miquelon would probably throw their lot in with Canada if they hitched a ride into fantasy land.
I like to imagine that, after the initial confusion and restructuring, once we found out the cause of our transportation we would wage a war to hunt down the wizard that summoned us to this world and try and make him send us back.
>>48133181
First, the economy crashes due to America no longer being able to import/export.
A dark age ensues. The well off states still have electricity, but many don't.
After a brutal civil war, the US splits into several secessionist states. None have the industrial power to drill for oil en masse, so they go out into the world to use their superior technology to conquer land and steal knowledge on magic.
Now America gets free energy from magic. Cars, lighting, bombs: all magic. It's all perfect, as long as you ignore the elementals enslaved in the wires, the demons lurking on the internet and the armies of elves, dwarves, goblins, etc. preparing to retake their home lands.
>>48162479
I bet your European
>>48162509
Hey, we all know everyone would be after the Texan oil if there was nowhere else to get it from.
And lets face it, Texas isn't going to waste oil on other states.
I'm pretty sure Texas would bring back the Confederacy, if it would protect the oil.
Also, everything is made in China nowadays. No-one would know how to make anything.
>>48162683
>yuropoor education
Texas isn't self-sufficient, mate.
>>48133249
Wew, it's all shitposting below.
So I'm just going to toss in an ACTUAL American Harpy.
>>48133181
>Obongo panics and institutes martial law, placing Shillary in charge when his four terms are up. Donald Trump is left out of the loop and his supporters get pissed.
>Economy crashes with the twinkling of a eye. Resources are rationed mostly to the military and civil services, angering the populace as most feel like they're being left to die. Civil order obliterates with the banks defaulting one by one.
>Marine corp eventually get's sick of Obonga's shit. March into the capital like how Caesar crossed the rubicon, deposing Obeezy and Hillary. The senate has a meltdown. Some previously unknown General declares himself dictator.
>Army brutally puts down any uprising and restores order. America is preserved though a quarter of her population starves to death.
>General rules for a few more years, until he's murdered by the senate.
>Son get's pissed and goes on the warpath. Destroys Senate Loyalists and declares himself Despot. Begins launching expeditions into neighboring territories.
>The American Empire take's it's first steps in a new world.
>>48163302
Eh. The US is more prepared for being cut off from thee rest of the world than you would think, due to strategic reserves.
Our economy is going to take a major hit due to the loss of international trade, and panic will certainly happen especially at the beginning. If it gets out of hand, thats when you institute martial law.
Or, far more likely, a special state of emergency will be declared that gives the government the authority to take whatever measures are deemed necessary to resolve the crises. Aka - martial law but tying not to sound like it.
If we get into that position, its far more likely that either Obama would simply retain his position under the terms of the special state of emergency, citing the inability of current infrastructure to hold an election in this time of crises (which might actually even be true).
Regardless, we have more than enough resources that while we might have to ration somewhat we won't be running into mass shortages or starvation anytime soon. The Strategic reserve is a thing, and we export a lot of food Or we used to, anyway.
The rest of your post requires a ficticious and unnamed general to pull off a 1:1 copy of Ceaser in the modern world, ignoring the difference in absolutely everything between the two situations.
We would, if anything, see a much greater consolidation of power and public support because in this sort of time of crises the people will flock to established power structures for reassurance and protection. Rallying against the crises/outside threat, which is what we usually do when times get tough.
>>48162683
A: Texas isn't self sufficient
B: Texas wasn't even part of the confederacy when the confederacy was a thing, they were an independent republic. In fact texas likes to forget that it was a mexican territory that broke free when mexico outlawed slavery and fled to the US so they wouldn't get reconquered by Mexico.
C: I sincerely doubt any texan citizens would be interested in attempting a rebellion when simply engaging in austerity measures will solve their resource issues. On top of that they have a resource that makes them valuable to the rest of the Union so they're far more likely to leverage that for greater luxuries than to try some idiotic bid for independence.
D: Texas isn't part of the south, they're Texas.
>>48158992
You know the helm of opposite alignment? Picture having the effect of that being one of your basic abilities on top of being able to lock onto neutral alignments at will, because your job is so broad that you need to be able to tackle situations from just about any angle, including emulating both the protagonists and the antagonists if need be. Depending on how close to the real deal he is, he can take apart the universe's source code and rewrite it at will to insert himself as an exception to the rules.
You don't fuck with a dude whose resume is "I built this universe." Though, that raises the fridge question on whether or not such a deity already exists in this fantasy world's universe, and whether all the prayers to YWHV would simply go to the setting equivilent instead.
And technically speaking, even if the Lady of Pain isn't strictly a diety, if I'm not mistaken she's considered "unaligned" as well.
>>48151968
There's more than one Anon working on the Three Kingdoms snippets. I know, because I'm one of them. (That last guy wasn't me)
>The entertainments of the Three Kingdoms are barely even recognizable as such in many cases. While they have the common fair of plays and novels, these have been waning in favor for many generations to the lament of their elders. Instead, their Wizards of the Glass create ever more frivolous uses for their magics in the name of occupying the time of others.
>Most reasonable are the works of Silvered Screens, whereupon plays are crafted in the way of paintings showing an artist's depiction, recording imaginative motions, sights, and sounds in collected visions that can be endlessly repeated with all the same effort of rereading a story.
>Less comprehensible is their art of marking novels with graphics and other visuals. These are most similar to paintings which have been intentionally graffiti-ed with the narration and dialogue of the tales they are trying to depict. Given that this is one of the few forms of their entertainments which due not require fore knowledge of how to work their magics, a minor black market has sprung up dealing in the sale of their more popular legends. These fanciful tales have begun shaping public opinion of the Three Kingdoms, partially because no one can tell which of the tales are truly fanciful. Their ubiquitous use of carriage golems is complete truth, for instance, while the ability of their people to spontaneously develop grand magics inherent to themselves in response to mortal injury is thankfully fantasy on their part. The Allied States, with their focus on personal liberties, justice, and empowerment of the common man, is likely to be the only of the Kingdoms so overrun with vigilantes as depicted.
>>48172796
Oh, thanks, you're a good writer too
>>48136169
>you right now
>>48172796
this is nice. more?
Page 10? Oh no you don't.
HEROES NEVER DIE.
bump for intrest.
you know, to sate my interest and to save the thread, I put forth this question:
in terms of power projection, how useful would a carrier fleet(let's just say the murrican 7th fleet for now just to make it easy) be in a fantasyland in the scale of your typical D&D universe?
I heard air superiority is good and stuff, but I don't know much about D&D's native fauna.
>>48175754
A carrier fleet could reasonable take on any given fantasy kingdom that didn't have some serious high fantasy defenses that bordered on scifi analogues anyway.
Because a carrier can just park itself over the horizon and send planes to deal with problems. Dragons might be in the sky, but how many of them can fly at supersonic speeds or attack things dozens of KM away? The Dragons might take several missiles to bring down each, but the issue is that modern planes can easily do that without ever putting themselves at risk.
And against castles, ground forces, and fantasy boats... bombs are going to wreck their shit. Again, it is unlikely that the fantasylanders can fight back because they lack the weapons that can operate at that range.
Their ONLY hope is if they have wizards that can negate the air advantage. Such as by summoning powerful storms, mind controlling the pilots from afar, or just reaching up and plucking planes out of the sky.
We that's some high-level wizard shit, and they need that just to be able to deal with our basic military technology. If they have enough super-wizards around to provide a consistent defense, we are probably in trouble because they can just throw tidal waves at America or summon demon portals into our cities or whatnot. Its hard to say since magic is a giant ??? in regards to its limits and proliferation.
>>48175833
>mind control
shit this just reminded me thanks
guys, what will the modern side do to, or can do, to counter shapeshifters, dopplgangers, possession, mind control and such supernatural things to break into the country, during the early part of the shift the modern side could be caught in unawares.
how could the fantasyside infiltrate(after/before getting their shit kicked in), and what can the modern side do to stop/filter these infiltrators?
this is really important because these things could seriously fuck up the country, basing on the fact that fantasyland can have ridiculous power levels focused on numerous hero/adventurers.
which brings me to another question. adventurers. powerful ones.
I know, I know, we already went about this, open agressors will just get mowed down eventually. but what about the smart ones? and powerful ones? how would modernland deal/react to these singular entities of superhuman abilities?
>>48175937
That would be our greatest fear.
Our military technology will stop armies, but asymmetrical warfare is our greatest bane. And adventuring parties could wage that shit in new and terrifying ways.
Sneak attacks by adventuring parties with magical support to enable their escape would be a nightmare. How do you catch someone when their escape plan is teleportation or invisibility? With those powers they can strike and retreat with impunity, and catching them is nigh impossible.
And with mind control they can create sleeper agents, or god forbid turn people into suicide attackers.
4 guys with a powerful wizard could go on a campaign of terror across the continent, and the fact that they could attack ANYWHERE next would send people over the edge.
The worst thing is, the more we throw our weight around the more likely we are to attract aggressive adventurers. Nothing draws a band of heroes together like a nigh-unstoppable invading empire.
>>48176114
any chance of 'recruiting' or persuading them to our cause? learning stuff(any info, be it magic to geography)?
>>48176114
Well quite honestly I dont think the US military would be very keen on invading or imposing itself onto medieval kingdoms immediately in the very case of such things once they figure out magic exists.
Odds are the US armed forces and intelligence agencies would get into the magic business themselves for the very things you just described.
And equally, given enough knowledge and time they would come up with a plan of action for wizards and whatnot. The US military quite literally has a plan for any and all possible scenarios, including plans on how to invade or attack any country on the face of the earth. Eventually they would figure out how to deal with wizards
How do dragons interact with these new lands?
>>48176114
This would be the single greatest driving force behind our government becoming an entirely totalitarian goivernment. The Red Meanace nearly pushed us ther, Isis did push us there in deed if not in name, but they would absolutely have to start screening the entire population for potential magic users the instant it was discovered that divination, shapeshifting, and undead existed.
A single shadow would devastate a ghetto and make entire sections of cities uninhabitable. Divination would mean no secret is safe, ever, and the politician are already scared of secrets coming out in the modern non-magical age.
But the only way to screen the populace for magic efectively would be to enforce a draft option for tween and teens, and the only effective way to do that would be make it a totalitarian effort, and just have even less of a veneer of diplomacy than we have now.
Of course, when the people in power realize that there isn't any reason to hide the fact we're an oligarchy, it wouldn't matter anyways.
>>48176891
If you know they're doing so, then they're not doing it right.
>If the country of North America was somehow teleported to a standard fantasy world
We've done this before. Three times, at least, and at least one of those times we did it thoroughly. Can we please talk about something original for once?
>>48176891
>>48176891
A particularly cocky one tries to pry open Fort Knox.
How it turns out depends on how strong Dragons are in-setting.
>>48177041
Did you seriously come into a thread you knew you didn't like to cry about other people talking about it?
>>48177066
Are you seriously participating in a thread about a topic that has already been done to death, so it's effectively nothing more than a circlejerk?
>>48177041
Not everyone spends 24/7 on /tg/ like you do, this may be new and fresh to some people here
I certainly haven't seen this before
Also, if you have a Fresh New Original idea then share it in your own thread, if it's good it'll certainly get posters commenting on it
One last bump from me
>>48177083
I've never seen it before.
>>48177065
unless they are god teir, that dragon is getting his skull caved in, and his body sliced up and sold to local wizards
How would the meat industry handle the new and exotic creatures?
>>48156826
So they get exploited by Europe, driving Europeans to a state of global relevance?
>>48172796
>common fair
You mean common fare.
>>48179953
Whole new round of FDA studies
