>Unconventional siege tactics
>>48119011
In RPGs? Waiting them out
>>48119011
This >>48119037
Also
>floating the entire castle off of the ground
>summoning a storm cloud overhead and flooding them out
>sudden an acid storm cloud over head and dissolving them out
>Lobbing zombies over the walls
>Opening a portal to an elemental plane on any part of the cities walls
I'll be a fag and throw a bone to the Elder Scrolls for the Nords and Dragon Shouts. As far as they fluff goes, those absolute madmen in effect yelled holes through the walls.
>>48119395
That happened in the Bible as well. Or did they blow a horn to do that?
>>48119357
>summoning a storm cloud overhead and flooding them out
There was that one time /tg/ told that one anon to summon heavy storms to make a huge field of mud.
>>48119411
it was a horn. blew down the walls of Jericho.
>>48119411
>>48119436
It was a horn, and there were a couple of other procedures they had to follow before they could do it, including things that the Israelites were not happy about doing (like marching in a circle for days within range of the enemy walls).
The moral of the story was that, if you do what God commands you, it will work out, even if what he's telling you to do may seem a bit counter-intuitive or foolish.
>>48119011
Mass stone to flesh.
>>48119907
>>48119907
And then they killed every single person in the city.....because the other moral is "Old Testament God doesn't give a shit about anyone but this one Semetic tribe."
>>48119940
Since gunpowder was first invented, man has had one thought: See that building? Fuck that building, and motherfuck anyone dumb enough to be inside.
>>48119979
I always liked the picture in that one art book where it's got like 50 dragons around Gondolin, just consantly spewing fire at the walls.
Negotiation
Just build a big ramp.
>>48120124
You gotta love how blunt the romans are. They had awesome heavy infantry and did everything possible to use it.
Enemy in a high castle? Build a fuckhuge ramp and march the infantry up to it.
Carthage are better sailors? Strap an ramp on the roman boat, smash it onto the carthanginian boat, and march infantry on it.
Enemy is hitting you with shock cavalry and horse archers? MARCH INFANTRY INTO THEM......fail, and then begrudgingly adopt their tactics
>>48119983
This comic is always funny
>>48119357
>>floating the entire castle off of the ground
That's a fucking.
>>48119011
In a fantasy setting, chances are doing the Trojan Horse would be pretty damn unconventional.
>>48119011
>put your party in a bag of holding
>throw it over the wall with whatever
>flies past all the enemy soldiers and defenses straight through window into the castles throne room
>bag hits the ground and tears open releasing your entire party right in front of the boss
>fuck up surprised bosses shit
>>48120215
I positively adore the kind of techno medievalism that Nausicaa had. Trench warfare with rifles and artillery combined with armored combat and religious ceremony.
>>48120468
That artist captures motion well.
The Heroes of Might and Magic series of video games have some interesting sieges.
>teleport a hydra inside the walls
>summon Earthquakes to destroy the castle
>magically send an enemies inside the walls berserk
>magically blind the enemy archers so you can just wait for your catapults to knock down a wall in relative safety
>flying troops
>>48120468
To provide some context.
>>Humans are besieging abhumans who are hiding out in shattered plains
>>Chasms scattered about the plains require mobile bridges to move from plateau to plateau
>>Abhumans didn't skip leg day, so can just jump over the chasms. Humans have limited capacity to engage them deeper into the plains. Plan to skirmish and siege them out.
>>Abhumans figured humans would get frustrated with the prolonged siege and just bugger off
>>Didn't count on the humans to start harvesting local megafauna for their magic gem hearts for ludicrous profit, giving them incentive to stick around for years
>>48119997
Except those dudes who have iron chariots; he's cool with them
Bump.
>>48122222, just to see who got cool digits
>>48119011
Mass Teleport everyone inside to outside the place you wish to siege. Now you arent in a siege.
>>48119997
Such is the divide between PCs and NPCs.
>>48119998
A bit weird that for something originally developed to destroy fortifications, tanks struggle in sieges against cities.
Retreat, leaving the wounded and sick on the field and lure the garrison to assault your camp. Ambush them there.
A really big Siege Tower.
>>48122935
Because they're not allowed to completely raze the city?
>>48123028
>>48123283
>>48120292
I'm surprised this /x/ meme is still around.
>>48120197
It's more adaptable than blunt, most enemy would go home seeing that castle, Romans left it for 10 years and then invaded when everyone had stopped caring
>>48123436
adaptable would have been adapting to the situation - instead they adapted the situation. They were inventive and stubborn, apparently a very successful mixture.But obviously you could call that adaptable too, depending on your definition. I wouldn't though.
>>48120197
The best one is the siege of Alesia, and incredibly relevant to this thread.
>Hey caesar you faggot come 4v1 me siege mode
>No, I'm going to build walls around your fort and now YOU can siege ME
>fuck
>>48123678
I can't remember if that's the same battle, but I absolutely remember reading about one where the Romans had encircled an enemy army, then got encircled themselves. So the enemy waits to fight on the next day, and they wake up to the Romans having built themselves a quick fortress overnight.
>>48123725
Yeah sounds like the same siege, but it was slightly less magical than that.
The Romans took a week or so to build the wall (still incredibly fast all the same) knowing that reinforcements would be coming. There was a few attempts at break outs and break ins over the next few days until the roman cavalry of all things sneaked out and ran down a shitload of archers, which spooked the rest of the reinforcements into running away. The guys inside surrendered not long after.
>>48120017
I can only find this shitty version
>>48120124
Fun fact: The Portuguese adapted Masada's name into an expression for something needlessly boring or to describe an action that won't bring you any benefits, thanks to how the siege played out.
>>48123813
In other words the Romans seiged and army like 3 times their size, saw another bigass army coming, build a wall around themselves stupid fast, and seiged the first army while being seiged by the second army......and won with extraordinarily small number of casaulties. This also meant they had finally conquer the massive region full of folks that had been fucking with them for hundreds of years in less than 10, though it's a bit more complicated than that.
>>48122854
Why wouldn't the castle be warded against that
>>48119011
I get Mount & Blade flashbacks looking at that picture.
pre-gunpowder castle sieges are, by default, unconventional
Giant.
With pickaxe
>>48124434
Qual a fonte disso?
Attackers
- Any kind of flying monster
- Magic that allows for unconventional movement: flight, leaping, moving underground etc.
- Golem siege engines
Defenders
- Moat is filled with monsters in addition to water
- Walls have spirits/gargoyles that will defend the walls from attackers
>>48122935
>A bit weird that for something originally developed to destroy fortifications, tanks struggle in sieges against cities.
No they weren't, the first tanks had no real anti-building or even anti tank capabilities. They were just meant to be able to cross trenches and not be shot down by machineguns or rifles. (one of the earliest anti tank weapons was just a big ass rifle though)
That said, it's not that tanks are bad against fortifications, it's that everything is bad at trying to conquer an area full of people, awkward terrain, perfect ambush sites and cover everywhere. The only safe way to defeat a city is to absolutely flatten it from afar or above, but that usually ruins the whole point of trying to defeat it anyway: capturing it.
>>48119011
Tie spears to cattle.
Point cattle at enemy fortifications.
Set cattle on fire.
>>48128756
.....ok, a bunch of dead, burnt cows at the foot of a slight scratched wall.....what's the point beyond the psychological effect?
>>48128797
>The scent of grilled stake mocks the starving inhabitants of the city, and at night someone will try to open the gates and sneak out to cut themselves a piece. That's when you attack.
>>48123678
ONLY SIEGE CAN DEFEAT SIEGE, Jackie!
>>48128708
Trench warfare is a form of fortification and the stalemate on the western front was essentially a seige by both sides, complete with the whole thing boiling down to both sides waging a war of attrition against the other and attempts to undermine the enemy often failing because the undermining teams accidentally tunneled into an enemies' undermining tunnels by mistake and had to quickly destroy their own tunnels to stop them being used against them.
In any other war shit like the tripoli invasion or the eastern front would have been the most retarded parts of the conflict.
But then the french would lose one of the maginot fortresses to a single german with a luger and the italians would occasionally gas themselves, and the germans would occasionally do too well and two different stormtrooper teams would meet in an enemy trench and kill each other because there was too much smoke to make out whose side anyone was on etc...
Never before or since had so many herped so much derp, for such potato.
>>48128907
Maginot was WW2
>>48128851
couldn't we achieve the same effect by just leaving a load of hamburgers at the base of their walls?
Like, on a peice of string or something so we can draw the besieged troops out one by one.
>>48120197
>Make ramp
>Put it sideways
>Move behind ramp
Let them kill all of your people so you have enough vengeance stacks next turn to OTK his whole army
>>48119983
Wasn't there an actual Old Testament law about mixing fabrics? For what reason?
How much would having access to flying mounts change the way sieges work? Whether it's a pegasus, or I-put-a-fucking-throne-on-my-dragon?
>>48129119
Well it'd get overthose tall walls, for one
>>48122935
Weren't the germans on the defensive anyways when the sturmtiger came out?
In one of his play Dario Fo speaks about a siege of a small keep done litterally trowhing an infinite supply of shit into it
>>48129158
Yes, but they tended to just take assault guns and turn them into tank destroyers anyway. The STG 3 was originally an assault gun but actual had the highest number of tank kills of any german tracked vehicle by the end of the war
>>48129052
Most old Hebrew laws about that kind of stuff has to do with cleanliness. Avoiding certain foods, avoiding mixing certain foods or doing certain things because it is more likely to make you sick or spread disease.
>>48119997
Rahab wasn't killed :)
> build a larger and more impressive castle outside theirs
> the enemy will be so shamed by your superior engineering and craftmanship that they surrender
>>48129052
Mixing fabrics was associated with Pagan priests.
>>48129570
>the enemy breaks out
>they build another, even bigger castle outside your own
>after a century of sieges, entire kingdom is now dominated by a series of nested castles so large they blocked the light from the sun for most of hte surrounding farmlands and caused the warring armies to starve to death
>Enemy city is on a island
>cannot use your siege weaponry on it
>turn the island into a peninsula
Alexander was crazy
>>48129271
>Assault gun
Don't forget your tacticlips and pistol grip bayonet
Is it possible to introduce some sort of biological weapon such as a plague, making sure that your troops are protected against it first?
(But then that might not work in a fantasy setting where magical healing is probably going to be more competent than real life medicine. Well that is, until the healers are exhausted I guess?)
>enemy burns their hill fort to retreat to the next one so you build a facade of a fort overnight to break enemy morale
>build dams around enemy fort during rainy season so it floods and surrenders
God dammit monkey why you so great?
>>48120197
I feel like Caligula's boat bridge deserves a shout out as well.
>>48129119
Depends on how many flying mounts you have. If you can get a force bigger than the enemy army onto your flying mounts, this is now basically a field battle on rough terrain that the enemy can't retreat from. If the enemy army is larger than your flying cavalry force can handle on their own, they can try to storm a gatehouse to let the army in and they'll make it easier to make a beachhead on the walls if you're storming the walls with conventional tactics, but storming fortifications is always a risky business and this won't make it *that* much safer.
>>48119011
Make a giant hollow golem and fill it full of soldiers. Siege towers that can protect themselves.
Build a large wooden rabbit...
>>48130988
At first I read soldiers as spiders and thought that you were Satan's own siege engineer.
>>48131093
Well shit thats a much better idea. Who the fuck would attack a golem the size of a siege tower full of spiders?
>>48131182
You'd have to be in touch with the Drow to get that many spiders. Plus it would take a lot to keep all those spiders alive. Would it be worth the expense?
>>48131204
What if you just used undead spiders? Or spider golems?
>>48129119
It's pretty fun in Total Warhammer.
Using flyers to batfuck archers and vampires/dragons to distract infantry behind the walls while spooky skellingtons climb over them is pretty much the only way to siege as undead.
The general flys around on top of a dragon using magic as support as well.
>>48119940
Why would telescopes help in breaking a siege?
>>48131349
Those are cannons, idiot.
>>48129881
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_gun
Literally what they're called
>>48128851
>>The scent of grilled stake mocks the starving inhabitants of the city
and terrifies any vampires they might have in the process.
>>48131373
Why would firing telescopes out of cannons help in breaking a siege?
>>48128708
>The only safe way to defeat a city is to absolutely flatten it from afar or above
That never worked
>>48131204
Spider golems may be durable, but they probably won't be poisonous, and they're expensive to make. Undead spiders are just straight terrifying. If you have a necromancer on hand and a good supply of spider corpses, use those.
>>48131448
Enchant them so that they always show a huge, incoming army on the horizon. When the defenders try to use them it demoralises them.
That or you play the long game: Let them discover astronomy, undermine their faith in the local organised religion and let the inevitable revolution be on better terms with you than the current regime. Probably works like a charm for long lives races like elves.
Crashing a plane into the throne room.With no survivors.
>>48131566
>Undead spiders
By Nerub.
Building and settling a city around the castle to lock it in a state of permanent siege.
Eventually this becomes humdrum and the citadel dwellers begin to trade and consort with the "invaders", until centuries later the state of "Ongoing Siege" is a matter of local colour.
>>48119962
Eww.
>>48119962
Are you now besieging a living fortress now?
Will it scab up and regrow injured sections?
Does it now digest all the occupants at the time of the spell?
Are all the gates now mouths?
How would you play this out?
>>48119037
99% of sieges went this way.
>>48130665
The Persians did it to attack the Greeks.
>>48131538
>>48133000
My party actually did something similar to that once, mainly because the GM railroaded us into a corner.
We had accidentally discovered an artifact of pure, eldritch evil, and we were being forced to lead an attack against the BBEG by a bunch of overzealous clerics and paladins. To make things simpler for us, we stole an airship, packed the front of it with as many magical artifacts as we could gather, took it up as far as we could go above the city we were assaulting, and then brought it down to ramming speed into a museum in the middle of the city that contained magical artifacts of its own, destroying both caches at once and releasing all of the stored magical energies into one moment of pure fun. BBEG died, to say the least.
>>48133849
That's the joke, they were saying it never happens in RPGs.
>>48134033
>implying that had any effect on the length of the war
The Japanese surrendered because the USSR declared war on them. All the firebombing campaign plus nukes did was kill a lot of civilians (probably enough to be a war crime, but the Allies won so no one was tried) and destroyed lots of irreplaceable cultural artefacts which, as it turns out, doesn't actually hamper the military's effectiveness or thirst for battle that much.
>>48128907
>ONLY SIEGE CAN DEFEAT SIEGE, Jackie!
Oda Nobunaga: See that castle over there? Build a castle right next too it, and we shall siege them while simultaneously having a convenient place to retreat to and rest within arrows reach!
>>48134394
>moving the goalposts
The city was defeated and no lives were lost in the "attack".
>>48134699
Well the city still exists today and was not occupied by an invading force at the time, so I don't see in what way it was 'defeated', as nebulous a concept as that is anyway.
>>48134394
>the bombing campaign did not affect the enemy's effectiveness or desire to fight.
Late war jap equipment was cobbled together trash and many of their own generals were ready to surrender in 44, but could not admit it for fear of reprisals.
Your weeb fantasies do not history make. The bombing campaigns did massive damage to industrial capacity and infrastructure. One of the reasons for kamikaze attacks was the simple fact they could no longer produce the fuel or munitions to keep those fighters going in any other role.
>>48135071
The Japanese military had a stranglehold on political power, and weren't going to give up because they knew they could draw out a land invasion long enough to force the Americans to the table and get a peace treaty, ideally one that would let them keep their newly captured territories in China and on the nearby islands. However, they were banking on the USSR being there to mediate such a deal and had repeatedly tried to contact them about it, but that was scuppered when the USSR invaded their Chinese territory. Up until that point, the generals that wanted to keep fighting had enough power to make sure it happened, and after that point it was so obvious they were fucked that the civilian government could wrest back control and surrender.
Furthermore, the point in question was whether bombing the cities had any effect - the primary aim of which, aside from hitting manufacturing areas that may have happened to be in them, and which could have been made the only target but weren't, was literally just to kill as many civilians as they possibly could. That was the stated goal, and it didn't achieve anything other than killing hundreds of thousands of people at a time. Hell, when the first nuke was dropped it was initially assumed to just be another firebombing because those had similar effects anyway. But to an embattled military, losing civilians is the least of your problems as long as you have soldiers left that can fight. Hitler tried a similar thing in ordering the extensive bombing of British cities to damage morale, but it just took the pressure off the RAF airfields and lost the Germans their air superiority and hence the Battle of Britain.
>>48124504
I'm now MORE in love with Roman military shenanigans
>>48134886
By that logic Athens never fell either.
>razed to the ground
>not defeated
>>48130430
yeah he was real great til he kicked the bucket
>>48135944
You know how autistic weebs get when you imply that grorious nippon got btfo.
>>48135071
>and many of their own generals were ready to surrender in 44, but could not admit it for fear of reprisals.
WRONG
Kinda.
The Japanese military was completely ready to accept a grueling siege that would sacrifice millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians. The Emperor, however, was not, and for the first time in a LONG time he actively gave an order that was not "do what you think is best," but a direct command. He ordered them to surrender to the Americans unconditionally, and the only reason a surrender ever got to the AMericans was because a court official managed to sneak out of the palace without being caught by the military, who were scrambling to try and find some sort of legal justification they could use to supersede the Emperor (they could not, as they had directly asked him for his decision and he had given it).
The Emperor never wanted a war with the US to begin with, but the Japanese military had INCREDIBLE autonomy, which goes all the way back to the shit they pulled in Manchuria.
>>48121151
Currently reading that. It is great.
>>48136679
>which goes all the way back to the shit they pulled in Manchuria.
Reminder that the Kwantung Army collapsed in less than week against fucking Soviet infantry. kek
>Japanese "elite" fighting forces with the best supplies lose to starving Russian peasants
>>48136743
Not referring to the skill of the military, but rather the legal precedence that the invasion of Manchuria set that gave the Japanese military basically carte blanche to do whatever they wanted, up to and including starting a war without the Emperors approval.
>>48131373
You forgot you're picture.
>>48129119
THE WALL JUST GOT 1000 FEET HIGHER
>>48134119
How many civilians died in the attack?
>>48141875
We never got a number from the GM. He was just laughing too hard as the campaign came to a close.
>>48134468
That's wonderfully lazy.
"This camp sucks, someone build me a castle ao I can siege in comfort!"
>>48119997
Nah, that was par for the course in bronze age society. Nothing to do with god.
If you captured a city, you razed it to the ground, slaughtered the menfolk, and took the women and children as slaves. That was just a fact of life at the time.
>>48129454
Yeah, I bet that wasn't traumatic, "Thanks to you we're going to kill literally everyone you know. Because of you. You did this."
also
>not killing a traitor, regardless of their allegiance
>>48129649
Welcome to Ba Sing Se
>>48133612
>>48123012
At first I thought that huge bamboo thing was to hit the enemy archer in the face with.
Then I saw the giant shield thing hanging from it.
>>48123678
> Sieging a siege with a siege by fortifying around the siege.
That's the most Rogal Dornish shit I ever heard, AND it happened in real life.
I'm not dissapointed.
>>48135912
Imagine if they had Gurkhas, those guys held a position for a full week during ww2 against a Japanese army of like 300. There were ten Gurkhas. One died. ONE
>>48144748
>There were ten Gurkhas. One died. ONE
And it was probably because of some totally unrelated cause. Like a falling tortoise or something.
Gurkhas are awesome.
Build a bigger, more impressive looking fortress nearby.
Don't even attack them, just send a messenger-pigeon with condescending banter to the lord of the enemy fortress.
>>48124434
>>48126605
"Que massada".
Origem: É uma alusão à fortaleza de Massada na região do Mar Morto, Israel, reduto de Zelotes, onde permaneceram anos resistindo à s forças romanas após a destruição do Templo em 70 d.C., culminando com um suicÃdio colectivo para não se renderem, de acordo com relato do historiador Flávio Josefo.
http://www.arara.fr/BBEXPRESSOESIDIOMATICAS.html
Other sources: I'm Portuguese and I can confirm what he said although most people think it's related to pasta rather than a biblical reference.
Unlike the Germans, our expressions (Yours too, BRo) are really funny because they're supposed to alude to something obscure.
No one knows the origin of most expressions in our language but we use them anyway.
"Caia o Carmo e a Trindade" is commonly used in a "Fuck that noise, I'm doing it anyway" but it refers to the Earthquake in Lisbon, where the church (I think?) of Carmo and the one in Trindade fell to ruins and a few hundred people died.
(Funny thing about that story: Churches went to shit, the city burned, hundreds died washed into the ocean or under rubble... Except for Alfama, the whore district)
>>48135944
Yeah, but Athens was razed manually by people
Dropping a bomb onto a town and blasting away a bunch of buildings and killing a load of people will have an effect, but given that the whole place wasn't even destroyed and that people were living there again pretty soon after (not being aware of the radiation risks of course) and that there weren't any soldiers there to take and hold it afterwards, in what way was it 'defeated'?
>>48136666
Alright there quadrasatan, I never said Japan wasn't BTFO, I'm saying popular history substantially overestimates the actual effect of the nukes and that it was the threat of being caught between the USA and the USSR that did Japan in. The lives lost in the nuclear and fire bombings were pretty much wasted.
>>48123376
Even Karl Franz had his own flying fortress
>>48144968
Valeu lusitano.
Giants and shit
>>48145633
Nem todo o tuga merdaposta com BRos
>>48135685
>Hitler tried a similar thing in ordering the extensive bombing of British cities to damage morale, but it just took the pressure off the RAF airfields and lost the Germans their air superiority and hence the Battle of Britain.
I think a big difference between the campaigns against Britain and Japan was that the firebombing of Japanese cities was horrifyingly effective, while the bombing of British cities... wasn't. IIRC the British government had predicted and - as far as they could - prepared for hundreds of thousands of casualties a month in the inevitable event of a strategic bombing campaign against them, but in the end the entire nearly year-long event produced a week and a half's worth of their predicted figures or something stupid.
Coincidentally this also left Britain in an excellent position to treat mentally ill soldiers later in the war because they'd set up mental hospitals all over the place to take in the droves of civilians suffering from PTSD that never appeared.
>>48119983
I didn't need anymore to crack up.
>>48145548
Even real life had its own flying fortress
Basically, if you don't have a flying fortress you're a peasant.
>>48129119
Castle structure would be built around preventing people from getting in that way as well. No open courtyards for riders to dismount in, and the rooftops would be a spike trap with trenches in the roof itself for soldiers to move freely, that would be so narrow that invaders would have to ditch their mounts before entering. Castle entrances on the roof would be a few easy to defend chokepoints.
>>48119011
Piss on their wall.
>>48123283
>war wagon
Nah m8, that's the automorial of the siege of Middenheim during the Storm of Chaos. You know, that thing that never happened, in that dead setting?
Bombard them with itching powder day in, day out.
>>48144852
The ghurkas are like half the reason I bought a kukri, the other half is that they look badass
>>48131423
kek
>>48146646
>not just beating them to death with a tripod while yelling "I will kill you!"
Step it up.
>>48135685
The Japanese had, by that point, actually somewhat decentralized manufacture into people's homes. As in, they'd have lathes and presses and shit in their house, as would everyone else on the street. Attacking manufacturing *was* attacking residential areas. Furthermore, Hiroshima did have a significant number of military personnel in the city proper.
Did that justify the wholesale destruction? Maybe not. Does that mean that firebombing, and the deliberate targeting of civilian centers, was acceptable? I don't think so, but that's just me. I've never had to sit there and decide whether the lives of civilians in a hostile country were worth more than the lives of my own countrymen (and I hope I never will).
My favorite when assaulting a druid stronghold was also involving a version of the grease spell that's got infinite duration, casing the stronghold so they'd know when and where to cast it when a sentry or patrol wasn't able to spot them. After a few months of soaking the place in grease between adventures the players finally prepare to siege it and light the outer walls on fire, knowing exactly what the druids would do next: summon a storm to extinguish the blaze. Except what resulted was a grease fire. Not a single druid kept their powers that day.
>>48145548
Wait, are those flying towers from the Empire?
I always thought that was some chaos shit.
>>48122998
Hi /pol/
>>48148381
What's up.
>>48119011
Can an anon explain to me why the towers would be wider at the top? Is there a tactical advantage to that?
>>48149850
See the slits under the crenelations? By having it flare out at the top you can make holes to fire arrows directly downwards at people standing at the base of the tower. Otherwise you'd have to lean out over the wall to shoot down which aside from being difficult would probably get you shot.
>>48150458
>holes to fire arrows
Incidentally these are called murder holes.
>>48150578
The ancients were wonderfully straightforward when it came to naming their shit, huh?
>>48146886
>bombing Japanese cities
>Fatboy
>Little Man
I'd say America had a much more successful campaign against civilians.
>>48150884
> "Oh modern one. What do you call this wonderous war contraption of yours?"
> "I call it the Third Generation Mobile Main Battle Tank M1 Abrams".
> Marvelous.
> And you Ancient One, what do you call this war wagon of yours?
> "... the RapeTrain..."
> Marvelous.
>>48119011
im sure it was likely mentioned, but i didnt see any refering to the original post, biological warefare.
Mongols did it to one castle in Russia and wiped out 1/3 of Europe
Those easterners were crazy man, wiki sky burial if you think im joking
>>48119011
for some reason from the thumb nail my brain jumped to the conclusion that this was a picture of people disassembling their own walls to throw the bricks at the attackers
>>48131379
Whoops. Well, I feel dumb now.
>>48135071
>The bombing campaigns did massive damage to industrial capacity and infrastructure
there was no fucking industrial capacity by that point in the war, every actual statistic on the war itself makes the abundantly clear. A few half-assed revisionist edits to American history text books have done nothing to cover that up. The Japanese lost any capacity for industry when the US withdrew their economic support, prompting the Pearl Harbor attack. They were almost literally running on fumes. They were out of resources to build anything new with even if they hadn't shipped off and lost all their men to the south pacific and the mainland. The men that weren't dead were abandoned in enemy territories because the ships that would've picked them up had to be sent to fight the US. And you think that amidst that shortage, the Japanese were still manufacturing anything? With what? For whom? More guns for all the soldiers they didn't have to wield them? Planes and ships to be left on the runway and in the harbor because there's nothing to fuel them? The only thing they had going were socks and uniforms, and that was because they couldn't afford to stop when it was what was feeding half the population left at home.
>>48134886
How in holy hell do you not see a link between exploding a nuclear device on a city and fucking flattening it and defeating it?
WAS THE CITY DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT RECOVERING AFTERWARDS?
>>48134886
So a city is only defeated if there are people there to occupy it? It's not defeated if it's a radioactive pile of rubble?
>>48131538
That always works. I'm pretty sure Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't producing any munitions or soldiers after having creations pyroclastic fury unleashed upon them.
>pic related not posted yet
>>48152250
>that fucker just walking around in a giant basket
>>48145694
That ladder the giant is pushing is clearly not tall enough for the wall. What idiot built that
>>48152548
>>The great-great-great-great ancestor of Solid Snake.
>>48151564
I see nothing wrong with that.
>>48146286
I mean they CALL that thing a flying fortress, but come on. It's totally not. You could not put six months of supplies in that thing and wait out an aerial siege.
>>48134886
Holy shit how high are your standards for "defeated" that being literally nuked does not meet them? Is the city not defeated until every single citizen has been put to death?
>>48119422
we talking bout the siege of the headmasters town?
>>48133121
I love crypt fiends. Spiky beetle hero is best hero
>>48119011
Just throw plague infected bodies over the walls.
Or tons and tons of Greek Fire. If you think it's enough Greek Fire,double it. Then double that. Finally triple that. Then it's enough. Maybe.
>pic related
Or my favorite, hire a ton of bards to play day and night with magically empowered instruments to drive the people inside insane.
>>48119011
Bees?
>>48152767
>Is the city not defeated until every single citizen has been put to death?
Correct, good sir.
Paradrop your forces behind the fortifications.
>>48152598
That would have been the most awkward post-battle discussion.
