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>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
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>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>CARD SEARCHING
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
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>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info
do any of the old theme decks have anything worthwhile for edh?
>>48118792
What do you mean by theme decks? Precons? Old commander products?
>>48118792
uh...like, the old precon 60-card decks? or do you mean things like duel decks?
>stax meme
better break out the Narset :^)
>>48118815
>>48118822
like the old ass precons
>>48118556
reposting from other thread:
I'm not a huge fan of upheaval because it has no answers unless you're also playing blue, and adds a huge degree of power to a color that already has too much
I prefer the balance and limited resources over MLD because they at least leave some resources on the board, allowing opponents to have answers/additional plays
if the only answer that you have to a card is "just counter it" then it is too strong IMO. not everyone wants to play U
>>48118736
Jesus that guy's gross
>>48118882
uuuuuuuuh
just look at the decklists m8 they're all on the archive or sommat
for the most part they're shit though, and the ones that have good stuff are expensive as hell
>>48118870
I made a Narset player scoop to a Mana Tithe once with my Hokori deck
Felt wonderful
>>48119053
The majority were awful and have 0 value in them. Any of them that had value you likely won't be able to find for a decent price. Just get singles.
Time to be gross and build sedris infinite mana.
How to build hokori i want to play the archenemy no holes barred.
Going straight into both Liliana and Gisa. Holy fuck I love this card.
What does your playgroup look like?
Pic related is the decks we have played with for a while and are the most common.
>MB Uses a Brago deck depending on how he feels.
>TL Has an Archangel Avacyn.
>MD Has whatever silly shit he feels like making five minutes before a game.
We sometimes have other randomish people who come into the store and will play with us.
>Teysa, Orzhov Scion
>Mizzix
>Yeva
>Alesha
>Skithiryx
>Keranos
I myself play in player run tournaments and see a variety of decks, most of the time it is the same people.
>Zur
>Narset x2
>Nekuzar
>Maelstrom
>Damia
I am up for answering any questions.
>>48120098
>empty the pits for 9. set aside the 9 zombies to be perpetual 3 extra cards a turn
man when black gets card draw they can get some card draw. Load that into a deck with life from the loam and zombie infestation and laugh as you drown the world in zombies.
>>48120234
Empty the pits? That's the best you can do for 22 mana, or were you going to also Bog yourself? How about Underneath the Floorboards? Discard get a token, madness, get more and some life, too. Sadly, they all etb tapped, like most overflowing zombie spells. Hell, I'd rather use Army of the Damned than use Empty the Pits.
Or
I could just use Gisa with Phyrexian Dreadnaught.
Are mono color decks bound to be shit?
Can you actually make a mono colored EDH deck work and be able to win pretty often?
>this
>>48120389
>plus this
Wew
>>48120365
Mono white and red suck. Mono green, black, and blue are fine.
>>48120401
>tfw wanted to make a Kazuul deck
Well shit
I have a problem. I desperately need ways to flicker or otherwise reuse enter the battle field effects, in green black or colorless. I got conjurerors closet, roaring primadox, and I fear that's it.
Tell me there's hope.
>>48120440
>green
>black
>colorless
What you do is kill your own shit and reanimate it with Maren.
>>48120440
Sacrifice and reanimate?
>>48120458
Oh. Well I feel stupid, I forgot that whole schtick.
>>48120440
You sacrifice your creatures (ex: Ashnod's Altar), bring them back to your hand (ex: phyrexian reclamation), then cast them again using the massive mana you are generating as GB (ex: cabal coffers).
>>48120440
Temur Sabretooth
Mimic Vat
Cloudstone Curio
Deadeye Navigator
Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle
Voyager Staff
>>48120490
Don't worry, I did realize I seemed a bit dickish with how I responded.
Here are some real answers.
>>48120440
Not really flicker but reusable, you will need to use the graveyard to return stuff in GB the only flicker abilities are in WU
>>48120433
Mono-red control is pretty okay if you're willing to put in the utilities you need that red lacks. Y'know card draw, mana rocks, mana doublers, etc. Kazuul can work, anon. It just takes a bit of work.
>>48120513
Oh thanks man, these are great.
I have officially gotten my group to all hate my newzuri deck with a passion. I feel like I have succeeded in making a truly perfect commander deck
>>48120654
Link bro, mine doesnt do shit, i either get hatefucked off the table soon as they see um playing UG or i get durdled to death
Is magiccards.info dead?
>>48120568
Do you know of any list I could look into?
>>48120695
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/
Hopefully it can be of help to you. Quick edit was swapping a sylvan scrying for simic manipulator.
>>48120757
I have a list I've been working on for a week or so. It's not finished yet, but most of the pieces are there. You could probably springboard off this and EDHrec if you want.Also, if anyone better at deck design than me has any input, that'd be great.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kazuul-test/
Flip Chandra or Ashling for mono red burn control?
>>48120793
My list is similar, i have a gocus on counterspells because ezuri dies the turn he his the table if i can counter everything or give him hexproof, perhaps more creatures with tokens is the way to go, thanks for the info ill try ot out
The best commander
>>48118792
There was an old Kamigawa theme deck that had a Sensei's Top in it, but I don't know which one specifically.
>>48120947
ResidentSleeper
>>48120897
Either one would work desu but Flip Chandra seems more likely to have a target painted on her compared to ashling. If you really wanted to punish opponent's in an amusing way, try Zo-Zu
>>48120947
Originally bought one for use in my mimeoplasm deck and ended up switching it out when I pulled newlamog. But she still has a home innekusar
Has anyone used one of these to store their deck? It looks cheap and super durable.
>>48120897
Jaya
>>48120897
Burn control anon here
Ashling is strictly better because of how easy it is for her to clear the board, but Chandra can be a lot of fun.
>>48121011
>Flip Chandra more of a target than Ashling
You have no idea what you're talking about. Ashling can swing for commander damage or wipe out the board.
>>48121064
Jaya is also good. More spotty than Ashling, but suffers from being a spellshaper.
Jaya a fun!
F U N !
>>48121056
Just get an Ultra Pro satin tower, anon. Slightly cheap but sturdy and really good.
>>48121225
Jaya is great, nothing beats using her 'ultimate' with a scythe of the wretched equipped and stealing every creature on the board
>>48120098
I love me some good one drops. I really didn't expect to see something this good.
>>48120401
Don't underestimate red in this format. White though... White is a little special.
>>48121274
Ashling can do the same thing.
>>48121225
Ashling kills herself when she removes the counters, dumbshit. Unless you figured out the mono red way to make indestructible ashling and count on someone not running proper removal or some form of counterspells, ashling will work, but seriously ashling is shit
>>48121292
There are several ways to keep her alive, but I'm going to assume you're only pretending to be retarded.
>>48121319
Of course there are ways to keep her alive but you're the dumbshit for wanting to run a burn deck of all things in commander. If you manage to pull off a win I will be impressed but most metas will run you into the fucking ground
Secret tek for teneb?
Deck is just Reanimator+Goodstuff
>>48121276
Mono white can play an interesting game with linvala or Tails, and in a 3 man pod pull off an aggro/voltron plan if (really) lucky
Red has the bonus of more virtual card draw/mana and haste effect which are powerful in edh, and hence more options if they don't go down the wrong oath
>>48121337
I've won many games with Ashling. It's amazing what a 2 mana commander can do.
What do you think is the best commander for for D A N K S T A X ? like the bird wizard or...
>>48121587
>I won many games
I have nothing to go on but your word and you act like a faggot so I'm going to disregard it
>>48121594
Probably bird slut or GaAIV
>>48121587
How does ashling actually win? Is there a combo or is it simply draw lands and kill her every turn for commander damage?
>>48121612
Whatever you say champ. I'm not going to convince you. You're the one sperging.
>>48121759
I usually use Grafted Exoskeleton and Glacial Chasm.
>>48121778
Wow yeah i can see how that can make a quick game
>>48121778
Those are some shitty wincons bro
>>48121873
I agree, hitting every player for 10 infect damage on t8 is pretty shit bro
>>48121873
>inb4 this guy always has a t1 counter or stiffle or whatever blue disruption he starts every game with in his hand 100% of the time
>>48121056
Haven't tried the 110 version but I'd recommend the 150 count version especially if you plan on double sleeving. It can hold 100 sleeved cards no problem and 100 double sleeved cards snugly if you flatten all the air out of them (though to be fair different brands of sleeves have different thicknesses so beware). The nice thing about it other than the price is that it's compact and stackable.
The satin tower is also pretty good. It's definitely sturdier and more spacious. It has enough room for a double sleeved deck and token cards in addition to a bottom compartment for die and whatnot. Of course that means it takes up more space than the plastic box, not to mention that it's much easier to identify your decks with the plastic box since you can just put your commander in front.
I'd recommend the clear plastic box first if you're budget conscious and then to try the satin tower if you decide it's not enough.
>>48121056
>>48121267
I would not recommend the satin towers. There's a surprising lack of actual space, considering how tall they are, and the lid can be a bitch to get off. I've had mine for 2 years, and it still takes a decent bit of struggle to get the top off without using enough force to sling the cards across the room.
>>48122153
I love my satin towers, I actually have 6 of them, and I feel as if they're the sturdiest boxes you can buy for the price. They easily fit 100 double sleeved cards, and the dice compartment is nice at the bottom. It's like storing my deck in a brick. As long as you wiggle the lid back and forth while pulling open, it will click open easily. Can be a bit tricky, but that's the price you pay for the protection it gives.
Post 'em
>>48122926
Keranos wincon is casting him and following with an Obliterate.
>>48120401
Purphoros can be really good if your playgroup generally has games go on too long, it puts a clock on the game and doesn't draw much h8
halp with goblins please?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chaotic-zerg-rush/
>>48120219
Shameless stealing your format.
We play with some other regulars from our LGS, but it's pretty rare, as we like to settle at one's home with drinks and play all night. 4th player absence is pretty sad, but we know enough players to be 4-6 each time.
>>48123127
>doesn't draw much h8
>Purphoros the OTK machine for everyone on the table
Literally wot.
Suggestions for artifact/enchantment destruction in Prossh? I have decimate and hull breach so far, and I'm undecided on what else.
(I do have a creeping corrosion and wave of vitriol coming in the mail)
>>48123128
Cut the lelrandum shit. You'll never get to seven mana anyways. Then cut the more expensive goblins. Now add haste enablers (anger, swiftfoot, greaves, think you missed a goblin or two) and ways to untap krenko (thousand year elixir, puppet strings). Zada doesn't do much here, same with staff of the flame magus, leyline of punishment, the dragons, sin prodder. Consider Eldrazi Monument, insane advantage and you'll never run low on willing sacrifices.
>>48123244
ok ty
>>48120098
I need this
>>48122153
I've never had that problem with mine. And as >>48122560 says, the dice compartment is pretty nice and it is easy to open yet it never dislodges by itself as well.
>>48123244
>You'll never get to seven mana anyways
But why
>>48123171
>Rafiq of the Many
>Harem Voltron
My sides
>>48123630
Because you'll have a swarm of fucking goblins? But you're right, expect people to do their best to mess with your plans, in which playing overcosted chaos effects is still not recommended. Instead I would take ways to protect Krenko, ensure his ability activates often, and artifact ramp.
Who's the best commander for a creatureless deck?
>>48123715
Mizzix, probably.
>>48123715
Keranos if you want the commander to be resilient on his own
>>48123715
Child of Alara
Anything white for ALL THE WRATHS
>>48123715
Mizzix/Melek for spellslinger. If you don't care about turning other stuff into critters, Sydri and I used to have a 5color enchantress with progenitus at the helm. Mainly to use all good overcosted enchantments with Starfield of Nyx.
Wanted to make a fight club deck full of werewolves and fight effects, is it possible?
I want to put this in something, but I don't know what
>>48124172
Runic Thar and 99 permanents. Unless you add that one sorcery, off course.
BG spider legend that can win at instant speed with infinite mana.
>>48124172
Personally I can't stand that card (it was houserule-banned in our group for a long while) because it slows games to a screeching halt.
>>48124172Teferi
>>48124309
Which one?
>>48124426
OG Teferi. Since he shuts down casting spells outside of "during your main phase with an empty stack" for your opponents, it's a soft lock with Omen Machine since they'll never draw another card but they can't cast whatever card Omen Machine finds (but you can)
>>48124426
Really? One of them untaps things and the other prevents people from casting spells.
>>48118736
What are the essential stax cards/colours/commamders? Is blue a good stax colour?
>>48124451
Thanks
>>48124468
I didn't know, I don't play a lot of blue
>>48123632
Yeah, he had to much fun with that
>>48123715
Narset, Zur or Mizzix maybe
Golgari got a dudder.
>>48118792
the Kahlia deck is very strong and only needs a few changes to be competitive
>>48124657
I like it. But mythic? The only reason for this rarity is for limited, right?
>>48124686
I don't really see why it wouldn't be fine as a rare.
>>48124686
Yeah. Putrid Leech was fucking scary back in the day, so I imagine they wanted to avoid too many copies of a Leech that doesn't require 2 life a turn to be kicking around
>>48123244
What are some other good haste enablers in w/b/r ?
Besides the ones you mentioned Fevor only comes to mind
>>48124657
>Wizards jewing again
BRAVO
R
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>>48124474
UW is good. GAA4 is one of the best commanders in the format
Well, I didn't get fired over getting my work laptop stolen.
So, now I can start the process of getting back all my stuff. All 10 of my EDH decks are gone. My binder (which had a lot of my expensive stuff) and a few boxes of stuff I got specifically for EDH and all my expensive EMA pulls are gone.
What do I do? Rebuild just one of my old decks? Start fresh and build a new deck? Quit EDH period?
>>48124733
Mass Hysteria
So for those of you who play stax in EDH, what are your favorite stax decks to actually play? Which ones do you think are actually good/the best?
>>48124754
what happened?
>>48124754
>what do I do?
QUIT LEAVING YOUR SHIT IN YOUR CAR
>>48120947
She was fun in block... because... Painter's Servant was a thing (The scarecrow with "
As Painter's Servant enters the battlefield, choose a color.
All cards that aren't on the battlefield, spells, and permanents are the chosen color in addition to their other colors.")
>>48124711
probably the combination of the trample and the deck fixing.
>want to build 3-color
>don't have a gorillion dollars to spend on mana base/fixing
>don't even know who to build
Fugg
>>48124766
>>48124775
Yup. Correct.
>>48124754
If you wanna just throw something together that works, omnath is absurdly powerful for its cheap cheap price.
>>48124790
If you play casually you don't need a bagillion dollars for a mana base, just use the ghetto options. you will be a a turn or half a turn slower on average but in most casual games that doesn't matter cause no one does anything before turn 4 or 5 anyway.
>>48124799
Eh. None of my decks were more than 200 bucks. Any deck I build will be pretty cheap. I'm not a power gamer.
>>48124790
Include green in your 3 colors. Rampant Growth and Kodama's Reach effects make a basic heavy manabase pretty doable, even in tricolor.
>>48124795
damn that's terrible, will you get any money from insurance?
>>48124172
Ok... Artifact deck with Sands of Time, Stuffy Doll and Pariah effect cards.... maybe Bubble matrix? Maybe add Peacekeeper to piss people off even more. You'll be dropping cards that are indestructable damage reflectors, that stop all creatures from attacking or that keep inverting the tap/untap phases.
Not sure that it'll ever win, but you might melt a few brains as people try to keep up with it.
>>48124230
Was just about to ask about a ruric thar deck. How clowny is that creature on a scale of 1-10, and how viable is he (if you make a 99 creature deck or whateever)?
>>48124832
Yeah I was thinking of Shattergang or Doran. Doran just looks so silly and might be a hit with my group. But Sedris looks fucking radical
>>48124790
Honestly, while having the money to throw at fixing is a boon, you CAN play 3 color on a budget. Most of the decks in my group were 3 colors when we started about 6 months before the first precons, and the most we had was a couple of ZEN fetches (with no shocks or duals to find). It's doable, just less consistent.
>>48124835
Likely he won't. My cards are covered by my Homeowner's Insurance, but only up to a 500 dollar payout. To get approval for more than that, I have to pay for a separate rider policy every month and maintain an itemized list of what all I have.
>>48124835
Discussed it, the deductible makes it not worth it via car insurance. Got the window fixed already for 200 bucks.
And honestly, if I wanted to, I could literally go and buy every card that was stolen. But it just seems like a waste. That Karn I pulled from a NPH pack. That Ugin's Fate Mastery of the Unseen I traded for. That Force, that Karakas that I pulled from a EMA box.
Ugh. I think I'm just gonna try to get a good version of each of my lists and then do a bulk order online on my birthday or something. I don't need any of the cards in my binder.
>>48124909
Yeah, exactly. That's what I heard from Homeowners.
The sad thing is I drove down to another card shop that day and bought a buttload of jank finally that totaled up to 140 bucks. I was so excited. Mostly snow mountains.
Oh fuck. My black on black flip Chandra. I got her for 50 bucks. She's gone.
Ugh. All those fucking things are probably in a ditch somewhere.
I'm just getting into mtg and I've made a shopping list of some commons and uncommons I want to buy online.
Where's the cheapest place online to buy individual common cards?
>>48124944
I'd recommend you put the word out to local card shops, ESPECIALLY for unique things like your Chandra. I'd bet 20 bucks that whoever busted into the car had no idea what the cards are and just grabbed bags and ran.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/m-u-s-h-r-o-o-m-s-a-m-b-a/
Alright, it's a work in progress and it's utter jank, but I'm taking suggestions.
Go ahead, cast Vindicate on me.
I fucking dare you.
ALRIGHT BOYS, TIME TO CROSS "OVERCOSTED BLUE MYTHIC ENCHANTMENT" OFF THE BINGO LISTS
>>48125012
>>48125002
These are fun.
>>48125037
I actually kinda like the Dragon as a decent beater, since it makes targeted removal very scary for an opponent, but it's likely gonna be a 15-20 dollar card for exactly that reason in Standard.
The blue one thankfully will cost 25 cents the day it releases, and is hilarious EDH jank
>>48125002
I want to try that in Zada
>>48125067
It doesn't combo well with her, but it does function as a second Zada, so that's at least something.
>>48125075
Yeah, as like a contingency plan for if Zada gets popped too many times and is too expensive to cast
>>48125002
I'd rather cast harmless offering on my own dragon.
>>48125153
Why? What good does that do?
>>48125166
'Tis better go give than to receive.
>>48125048
Fortunately, that's the best kind of EDH jank.
>>48125012
Just built a Bantchantress deck. This will go well in it.
>>48124790
I got most of Prossh's mana base for under $30, excluding shock lands and blackcleave cliffs/copperline gorge.
Its stuff like Reflecting Pool and Forbidden Orchard that get pricey, the Scry 1 lands are all under $5.
>>48124877
A solid 7.5/10. Fucks up several game plans by busting people in the head for trying to cast noncreatires and a R/G deck has a creature for literally every situation if build right. You can get flash, untapping, haste, hexproof, uncounterable spells, and more, all from creatures in R/G. Go nuts.
>>48125012
Aw damnit, and I was so close to finishing my Mizzix build.
>>48125255
You and me both, brother.
>>48125002
What plane has the best dragons and why is it Innistrad?
>>48125012
We need to talk MaRo. Your waifu complex for Narset has gone too far.
>>48123171
Format stealing is fine, isn't like it is you stealing the idea for EDH.
>>48124948
halp plz
>>48125012
>doesn't say until EoT
I feel like I am going to have fun with this.
>>48125506
Probably TCGPlayer, but you're not gonna have HUGE discounts. Most places are gonna want between 10 and 25 cents per bulk common/uncommon.
>>48125467
>innistrad
>not alara
Dude
>>48125557
Which means you have to cast it right then. You can't save it until later.
>>48124948
Your best bet is http://www.tcgplayer.com/
When you look at your cart you can optimize it to be as cheap as possible by turning off same printings and changing card quality. (If you don't care about playing with shit quality)
The LGS is ever-changing
>>48125583
>fuck you tim
I like it.
>>48125571
Yeah and that is what kinda sucks about it, can't play things outside of their normal casting speed.
For 7 I figured it would let me at least let me cast it as long as it is under.
Knowledge pool seems funny with this, you getting more value than them.
>>48125583
As a primarily red player, fuck that guy running Chandler, Joven and Eron
Threw together some probably bad decks this week, and retooled my old ones. I'm pretty proud of Sydri, because the only infinite combo makes mana to which the only outlet is making a million myr tokens, so they opponent will get a turn to respond before they get overrun.
>>48125623
>can't play things outside of their normal casting speed
Also wrong. You cast the spell right then and there, as part of that ability resolving. If they flip over a sorcery, you're kinda sorta casting it 'in response' to whatever spell triggered the enchantment in the first place.
>>48125632
It's a deck explicitly built not to win. Just drops jokulhaups, decree of annihilation, boil, possibility storm. It's a nightmare.
>>48124971
Anybody?
>>48125641
It seems like every group eventually develops the Red Deck where all it does is chaos shit and mass LD and they think they're so funny and clever.
>>48125635
In that case it goes into my shitty stax, I get to use it as a deterrent.
>>48125647
If you want it to stay as your description has it on there I would get a Hardened Scales, Evolutionary Leap and a Sproutstorm.
Leyline of the Meek will also be rather helpful.
>>48125681
That's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for here- probably 'obvious' stuff that I'm just blanking on.
I wonder how far I can/should push the +1/+1 counter thing, too?
>>48125701
If you push the +1/+1 counter thing there is also Retribution of the Ancients and Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
>>48125821
Retribution might not be worth the slot, given that I'm token-heavy enough to run Attrition instead, but if people start running too many scary black things I might make room for it.
I also might not go TOO crazy with the counters, since "making lots of tokens" and "putting lots of +1/+1 counters on things" can get a little crazy dice wise. "This dice is +1/+1 counters, this one is how many Saprolings, this dice is Spore counters", etc.
Trying to make a new deck without buying cards- I've been playing since Scourge so I have a good pool.
Possible Commanders:
NuAvacyn
OGIsperia
Myosin of Life's web
Myojin of Cleansing Fire
Augustin IV
Memnarch
Gitrog
Khan Anafenza
Khan Sidisi
Narset
Mikaeus the Unhallowed
Skithiryx
Ephara
Xenagos
Erebos
Kolaghan
Dragonlord Atarka
>>48121399
Play something else. Any trigger that depends on combat damage sucks.
>>48125896
>Ephara
Abuse Blink and ETB, it is pretty fun.
>Kolaghan
Dashing him out with a dragon board is amazing, and you can run conspiracy for more Dragons.
>NuAvacyn
Wraths.dec Try animating enemy lands for shiggles
>>48126330
>him
Kolaghan is female.
>>48125896
If you have enough fatties you can build Gitrog reanimator. Ephara ETBs is p fun if you have flash creatures or a leyline too.
Be honest, /edhg/, what's your meme deck?
everyone has one
>cast Tireless Tracker
>everyone stops to pick up the card and read it
My group is fairly slow to pick up new cards...
>>48125641
Again, fuck that guy. Jokulhaups is a great wincon in the right deck, but doing it because "lol chaos" makes you a dick.
Fuck that guy up with the most aggro deck you have next time you play.
>>48126507Ashling and the Crazy 88
>>48126532
I mean, I feel that way about mass LD in general. If you use mass LD to move towards a win (because you can recover from it faster, because you have a dominant position, because you have Avacyn or mana rocks, whatever), cool. To me that's no different from resolving some big scary dude and beating face.
When you drop Armageddon on turn 4 just because you can, and then cast Ravages of War four turns later just because you can, you're an asshole.
>>48126556
I share your attitude on MLD, don't worry
>>48126507
Godo's Heavy Metal Show
>Godo=lead guitar/vocals
>Beaters=band members
>Utility creatures=roadies
>Extra combat spells=solos
>Equipment=instruments
>Lands=stage
>>48126507
Phelddagrif ultimate group hug.
>give everyone love
>only use spells that benefits everyone
>no direct win con
>objective to make the game last as long as possible
pretty fun
>>48126507
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
It's all removal and doesn't have a single wincon. It's only purpose is to annoy. My group has yet to figure it out. They think I'm stalling for a combo or something.
>>48126507
What makes a deck a meme?
>>48126986
a meme deck is a deck that has:
a meme commander:
Memeoplasm, Pepe, Narset, Norin, Kaalia, Derevi, etc
or a meme strategy:
Stax, Chaos, MLD, reliable infinite combos, lots of counters, storm, etc
>>48126507
It was Basandra.
Anyway, I contacted about 6 of the local stores and they seemed helpful.
>>48127034
So it's things you don't like to play against?
>>48127034
Okay, so what makes those commanders and strategies memes? Or are you just using a buzzword to incite conflict?
>>48127102
I play at least half of those myself. As long as things are clear with the group that we're playing all out, I don't care how competitive it is
>>48127131
both a buzzword and this is the aggregate definition i've accumulated across my experience in /edhg/ based on what people refer to as "memes"
It's kind of an arbitrary definition so just have some fun with it
What commander do you hate with a burning passion?
>Pic Related
A properly built Narset can win on turn 2.
>>48127321
How on earth do you get a 6CMC commander with WUR in its casting cost out on turn 2?
>>48127321
Nekusar. I have seen exactly one Nekusar deck in my life that wasn't 85% a carbon copy of every other Nekusar deck on the planet. IT's also not very fun to play against.
Also, I'm struggling to figure out how you expect Narset to win on turn 2 with anything resembling consistency. All I can think involves Mana Crypt and Mana Vault and SSG and such.
>>48127341
I'm guessing turn 1 Ancient Tomb, Sol Ring, two Signets, Mana Crypt, and Greaves, but that's pretty inconsistent.
I am begging Eldritch Moon for a new BW. We already have 1 legends compared to Shadow's 7. Is there a chance we'll get even one more, or was Ishkanah the "grand" finale?
Tell me Hal & Alana will get made, or the White Black Angel sister, or something
>>48127730
BW has a fair share of fun legends. It isn't like you are UR or GW.
>>48127730
>1 legend in EMN compared to 7 in SOI
>Hal & Alana
Anon what are you talking about
>>48127764
Well for total sperg reasons, I want a new one themed after Innistrad. >>48127782
I meant to say 10 compared to 7. I assume because wizards doesn't design for us, they count hanweir and the oath and all that as part of the legend count. And Hal & Alana are 2 gay trappers who have had at least 2 stories about them, I want a legend.
>>48127730
>the white black Angel sister
You mean the one that's been canonically dead for over a thousand years?
>>48127878
Yeah, but on Innistrad, death isn't exactly permanent for beings such as angels and demons. The body may be destroyed, but the essence lives on. Which is why the Helvault was created to contain the essences of defeated demons.
>>48127923
But we have absolutely no reason to believe that applies to Angels. The Helvault was put together because everyone KNEW that killing a Demon just got it out of your hair for a little while, but that Angel has been dead for at least several hundred years. If she was GONNA reform, she already would have.
>>48127960
But don't think of it reasonably, think of it as Wizards is a media company who went out of their way to mention her.
And, what, is Sigarda not showing up again in any amount? Leading her to be sorta of the angel hope for humanity and then dropping it left me confused on how important she really is supposed to be right now.
>>48127960
Pure speculation on both of our parts here. For all we know, angels can regenerate like demons can, they just take longer. Besides, didn't that sister make a ton of deals with demons? I could see how she'd be both an angel and a demon. The only real exception will be Avacyn, seeing as she was unmade, not killed, so her essence isn't around to regenerate. :^)
>>48127999
I'd bet that Sigarda gets Avacyn's old job as the Head of the Church, and the Angel everyone looks up to (especially how she defended them from her much stronger sister in their time of need).
As for mentioning the angel, it's possible we'll get her in a supplemental set like Commander, or when we Return to the Battle for Innistrad Besieged.
>>48128034
>Return to the Battle for Industrial Besieged
I keked. Speaking of Mirrodin and New Phyrexia, I honestly hope that Wizards decides to take us there after Kaladesh.
>>48126507
>>48127034
Judging by these criteria all my decks are meme decks.
Kaalia and Narset bcause of the commander.
Nekusar and Sharuum for infinite combos
Braids because Chaos
Augustin for lots of counters
>>48128071
>implying we are not going to near anything about Phyrexia in the next big artifact themed block
>>48128106
Maybe seeds of something, but it's not going to be a big plot point. We're going to Kaladesh (apparently just on a fucking whim from the little summary, going to an Inventor's Fair), and then the next set is Aether Revolt. We know from Chandra's backstory that actual magic (rather than artifice) is really frowned upon on Kaladesh, and her parents were smuggling Aether around, so it seems very likely that the big story there is going to be a revolution of magic-users trying to overthrow the artificers. Likely with Chandra chomping at the bit for a chance to burn down the institution that led to her parent's death, AND in the support of freedom and fire magic everywhere.
>>48127341
>>48127358
>land drop
>mana crypt, mana vault, sol ring, signets
>all those red rituals
You'll need a lucky draw but it's certainly possible
>>48128151
Possible does not mean consistent. Phrase things better.
>>48128071
Innistrad* fuck you, auto correct
>>48126791
I have the same deck and always searching new ways oficial love giving
>>48124468
To be fair, it would be ok in either, since PW Teferi's +1 lets you "draw" cards around the omen machine.
>>48128135
>Another cool artifact plane ruined
God dammit
>>48128905
Creating a cool plane and then ruining it is basically the defacto Magic plotline at this point.
>>48128172
nah it's definetely not consistent, but I bet you can buildit so she comes consistently out on t3 at least, maybe even t2 but I don't bother with that cause I don't have the shekels for the manabase that would require
>>48128905
what other artificial planes got ruined and how do you define it?
ruined withing the story or by the story?
>>48129107
Mirrodin kinda got fucked over. A lot.
In honour of my recently completed Karlov, of the Ghost Council deck, here is my contribtion to the line of pimp-ass commanders.
He is affectionately (I think) referred to as Uncle Karlo, or Lil Karlo, in my playgroup.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karlov-rae-jepsen/
What are the most fun Grixis builds you guys can think of besides Nekusar? I also don't want to do Jeleva turns but other decks with her would be acceptable.
>>48120365
No not at all, mono white and red are harder to be good unless you go mono brown splash red/white, but they can still be really good
Mono green mono blue and mono black are all tier 1-1.5
>>48124172
Emrakul group hug
>>48129583
Sedris reanimator, Mishra artifacts, I had a list for a Garza Zol magpies tribal too but it's clunky af
>>48129107
Serra's plane. Completely annihilated.
>>48129829
>>48129341
so you guys mean fucked up within the story, not from a story standpoint
>>48122153
>takes a decent bit of struggle to get the top off
Are you an 8-year old girl?
>>48129583
Sedis is prob the most fun. Crosis is great too and Maechesa is good too. In battlecruiser meta Nicol Bolas works too.
I just picked up this wonderful piece of artwork, and want to build a voltron deck around him.
Dakkon will be coming out late, so in the meantime, I'm wondering if anyone can point out some good U/B/W creatures to keep his swords warm for him through the early/mid game
>>48127341
I prefer T2 Jeleva. It's much easier and can net the same end. She's also fun to play AGAINST Narset, so I may be a little biased since there were two in my old meta.
>>48129940
>Jeleva vs Marset
Nothing like stealing the Narset's player Omniscience twice in a row through different method eh?
>>48122153
>>48122560
Satin Towers are decent, but Ultimate Guard Monoliths basically do everything the towers do but better for like three bucks more.
Are there any enchantments/artifacts in June colors that give mass intimidate (or close to it)? I already have that 4 cost r/g enchantment that gives +1/0 and menace, just wondering if there's anything else.
>>48130273
Juhnd* fucking phone.
>>48124733
Off the top of my head for Krenko I run the usual boots/greaves, Akroma's Memorial, Hammer of Purphoros, Ring of Valkas, Flamekin Village. I could use some more. The new land that was spoiled looks alright as well.
here's hoping for a (you)
>>48124231
or make infinite tokens
>>48130510
>Hammer of Purphoros, Ring of Valkas
these are great suggestions, not sure if Flamekin Village and Akroma's Memorial fit the deck (Kaalia) because they slow me down and the memorial upps the mana curve to much
boots/greaves go in almost every deck I build
>>48130716
Why Thelon and not Ghave? There's 3ish fungi you lose out on by not being in white.
>>48130037
Well, I can't cast it, but I'll happily exile it. I can steal their extra turns, though. Extra combats really don't do anything without a resonator or fork. My goal is to hit Enter the Infinite. That's the real kicker. All the extra turns and shit are really just helping me get to that point, and if someone wants to be greedy with Narset and give me more, then more power to them.
That being said, it's tricky playing against Narset. If I have a fast hand, I could get lucky and remove some heavy hitters, and thankfully even if I'm slow, I'm usually ahead. The problem comes when I have to try and control Narset, and I say I because I was always the control player in my group for a reason. It's not that I can't, but rather because Narset has Hexproof.
>>48130820
Ghave is more a +1/+1 fellow, and Thelon deal more directly with thalid mechanics.
>>48131124
Ghave's also a Legendary Fungus himself, he makes Saprolings, and allows you access to a few more Fungi (including Pallid Mycoderm, who is actually pretty good).
Looking at this thread, apparently Narset is a shitter commander.
I'm a new player and Narset is one of the only legendaries I have.
I'm I really that bad if I make a deck with her?
i wanna play a mono black stax list, or at least a control list that has some cool sac engine kind of thing. what commander should i play?
new to edh but not to magic
>>48131186
No. Don't be a oussy about it, it's just frustrating when Narset decks are totally stacked with extra turn cards, no one has fun. So learn how to pump the brakes a tad when building her and she's fine, and cool.
>>48131186
No, not inherently. The problem is that the unfun Narset decks power her out as fast as possible and then basically just end the game because they attack with her and find an extra turn spell or an extra combat spell so they get to swing again, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.
>>48131186
It is entirely possible to build a reasonable Narset deck.
The problem will be convincing anyone you play with that your game plan isn't to turn Narset sideways the first time and end up with 3 extra attack phases and at least 4 more turns.
>>48131243
Eh, as long as he doesn't have a history of being a shithead they should at least give him one chance. Just declare Commander and say "I swear to god, it's not bullshit cheese."
I've had that happen in my group before, both with players I've known for years and new people who just joined the group. I'd say about 85% of the time they mean it, we don't insta-target them and everyone has fun. The other 15% of the time they go infinite on turn 4 and we promptly excise them from our group; not for being WAAC, but for fucking lying about it like a dickwad.
>>48131186
narset is lame man, just find a cheaper commander
you can build a "reasonable" narset deck like >>48131243 said but it's gonna be boring as fuck to play and will just be "turn narset sideways, get big value instead of win on the spot" ... like ok
>>48131186
So long as you're not puking out extra turns like a dick
>your order has shipped
>>48131275
>YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN UNLESS I GIVE IT MY SEAL OF APPROVAL
Fuck out of here with that attitude. Maybe he wants to build Monk Tribal.
>>48131193
Daretti and Hokori are the figureheads for Stax in EDH, if you want to be mono black your best option in probably Chainer or Endrek Sahr
>>48131186
Fill it with Auras and lots of red pump spells
Maybe a Cast Through Time
>>48131360
>Exile this spell as it resolves if you cast it from your hand
Yeah wow, Cast Through Time is fucking fire in narset.
>>48131353
How do you build Daretti Stax? When I had a Daretti deck it just felt like Durdletown
Is it just sac and recur Tangle Wire/Smokestack/Memory Jar?
