HOLY SHIT SHE'S REALLYm e h
Yay it's Innocent Blood! Only more expensive!
Library of Leng, pack your bags!
Legendary spider? LEGENDARY SPIDER! Fire up those memedecks!
It's Mindbreak Trap! Only not free! Plus, Stifle!
>>48107931
Sooooo is this going to be the next Nissa or should I just toss it in the garbage now?
>>48107931
SHIT CARD
>>48108026
>FUCK THIS STACK
>>48108373
>>48107977
At least she's cute.
>>48107931
i got excited ..... for this???? WTF arts cool but holy shit that is crap
>>48108373
>she's hot
>card's a piece of shit
>hot shit
>>48107931
she's fucking terrible, who would ever run her.
>>48107977
>Yay it's Innocent Blood!
No, it's not.
>>48107977
But innocent blood makes you sacrifice a creature, too, anon. Only geth's verdict in modern is a 2cmc edict with no downside.
Liliana is pretty awkward. Her + doesn't protect her very well but it can make combat tricky for your opponents, and her - is just value. I see her as more of a black-based aggro deck's value engine than the big bad threat most planeswalkers are.
>>48108451
still bomb in limited
also fucking terrible tier is reserved for Tibalt, she's just bad
>>48108373
It lacks the delicious waist.
>>48108373
I want to protect that smile.
>>48108373
>totally didn't use magic to attain that perfect face and body
>totally not
>>48108474
A very mediocre bomb at that.
>>48107931
why didn't you put MTG in the subject holy fuck learn how to make a fucking thread.
>>48108846
>butt mad quest fag detected
![en_juymWEMOZz[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/xv35wqp.png "en_juymWEMOZz[1].png")
Wizards is just determined to make superfriends central to the game
>>48108921
holy fucking shit I hate planeswalkers.
>>48107931
>>48107977
BAHAHAHAHAGAHAAHHALSK
>>48108921
Well yeah. They're mobilizing Planeswalker-centric prefab decks with Kaladesh to hook in new players.
Planeswalkers are casual and fun. Stop wanting everything to be Legacy playable and accept that Wizards considers Vintage/Legacy to be "complete".
>but muh modern
Didn't Oath of the Gatewatch trash modern in a way everyone hated?
>>48108921
So we're on another weatherlight kick? I didn't think anyone bitched back then about Urza and pals.
>>48108921
Well, now we can say for sure that there is going to be a Superfriends.dec in Standard.
>>48109031
We already had that in Naya.
>>48108982
It spanned for some time, but it was not central as a whole. Maybe forced at the same levels, but with more fancy plot-related cards. See Confound for example.
>>48108373
>yfw you can fap to this
>>48108921
you're gonna need a REALLY fucked up decklist to consistently hit 2 walkers in the top 7
>>48108373
>>48109128
Confound only seems plot related because of the flavor text. The gatewatch stuff is at least overtly plot related not just through flavor text. Also, I'm not sure why people think Magic having recurring and identifiable characters is a bad thing. It honestly makes the story more interesting when it's not always a build up of someone and then we get whisked away from them for literal years because we're doing random plane hopping.
>>48107931
Three other spoiler threads already up, fagtard.
I know at least two were there hours before youcuz i posted one
>>48109128
>let's take this guy with us because I know he will try to betray us and it will justify using him as a literal human bomb
Urza was Nissa of his era.
>>48109187
There's bunch of stuff that can guarantee it. But most of it is not Modern legal.
>>48107931
Playable in Modern Dredge?
>>48109217
Urza was way worse. Nissa is the General Butt Naked to Urza's Staline.
>all these fags hating on planeswalkers
do you hate yourself as well? Because YOU are a planeswalker when you play this game
>>48109231
like what?I kind of want to make modern superfriends
>>48108982
I have no doubt that somebody bitched about that in exactly the same way, with exactly the same sentiment as we currently bitch about the Jacetice League.
Somebody has always been bitching about how x bit of distracting tat isn't as special or meaningful or good as previous distracting tat, and how the distracting tat has sold out and has lost sight of what it once was.
Somebody was saying your favourite stuff was shit and lost its way and had become just for noobs etc.
The subject changes but the content stays the same. It has always been like this.
>>48109257
>do you hate yourself as well?
well duh, why else would I devote this much time on perfecting my strategy in a ridiculously expensive cardgame that mostly relies on luck?
>>48109187
not really. there are standard decklists running 8 walkers.
>>48109261
Divining Top, Brainstorm, Vampiric Tutor, Sylvan Library, that Odyssey thing "tutor and put third from top"
>>48108373
Is Lili-chan going to become /tg/'s latest waifu of the month?
>>48107931
THEY COULD HAVE REPRINTED FUCKING LILIANA OF THE VEIL BECAUSE BLACK IS SO FUCKING SHIT THIS STANDARD BUT NOPE WE GET A WORSE LILIANA THANKS MARO FUCKING KIKE
>>48109301
You're forgetting that Emrakul is technically a lady.
>>48109301
Yup
I'm at least loyal to my waifus
>>48109323
It's not. It's only a remnant of the Emeria thing that gets pushed way too hard by WotC for some reason.
>>48107977
Someone here predicted that exact fucking oath quote months ago, before SOI was even spoiled. Christ. Are we sure this is real? Is past anon a real wizard?
>>48107931
I have no idea what to do with this in any format outside of this one interaction, but that +1, a 2/2 zombie, and skullclamp is something I suppose. So... Yippee?
>>48109323
Emmychan <3
I'd give my mind and body to her if she came to our plane in a heart beat
Anons can we please start putting mtg or emn or some other searchable tag in the OP
I'm too lazy to scroll through the entire catalog finding the current mtg-related discussion thread
>>48109257
I don't hate planewalkers I just hate the Jacetice League.
>>48109364
Crtl+f
>>48108440
The Oath is a good card though
>>48109371not Him but is it sad I'm starting to hate planeswalkers
>>48109379
Except that I'd have to search for "holy", "shit", "she's", "really" or "meh" to find this thread
>>48109210
Because they are not interesting characters.
>>48109316
Too strong for standard m80. Gotta protect those (((collector's))) investments.
What are the chances of Sigarda becoming a Planeswalker?
>>48109349
It wasn't a hard qoute to guess.
My own guess during Oath of the Gatewatch was "If it'll make you shut up, fine I'll keep watch."
I feel like I got the spirit of the qoute right.
>>48109415
0
>>48109401
shit and meh are both good search terms to find the thread
>>48109401
It's spoiler season, between "Meh" and "shit" you're set to find any op
>>48109301
Tamiyo is my waifu.
>>48109284
8 is not NEARLY enough though, you'd be looking at at least twice that amound
>>48108472
Fine, it's half a Barter in Blood. Besides, the self-sac clause is generally useful in the kind of deck that runs Innocent Blood.
>>48109415
Under current rules fucking zero. Remember she is an angel an therefore a mana construct, and has no soul to give a spark to.
>>48109521
Barter in Blood also make you sacrifice a creature(s).
>>48109509
It's a casual card for casual players, if it sees any competitive play I will literally eat my own shit.
>>48109210
Not only by flavor text, but by the art too.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Weatherlight_Saga_in_cards
When they said about a new way to tell a history, tell already did it. They just couldn't accept. Now they are trying to emulate the same feel in history telling, but look at the new Gatewatch Card >>48108921. It's just a random battle with two planeswalker attached in and some random flavor text.
I'm not a vorthosian guy, but I enjoyed the old way of Magic. Maybe it's just old guy rant, because the new players seem to enjoy this new tales. I just feel out of place. :<
>>48109415
zero, she's a soulless empty husk of mana
>>48109540
Ob Nix is a demon. But this set already has more 'walkers than usual, no way they'd find space for yet another one.
>>48109545
anon why are you stating the obvious
>>48109557
Ob Nixilis is a guy who turned into a demon, not the same
>>48109557
Ob Nix became a demon after becoming a planeswalker though
>>48109573
>>48109583
Nicol Bolas and Ugin are dragons.
>>48109590
Elder dragons aren't dragons
>>48109521
Barter in blood makes you sack stuff too. The card you're looking for is cruel edict.
>>48109616
Hits all players (apart from you).
>>48109612
Gatherer ruling:
>Legendary Creature — Elder Dragon
He's "Elder" and "Dragon", just like Snapcaster is "Human" and "Wizard"
>>48109590
So? They're not mana constructs. Karn only got one because Venser gave him his spark.
>>48107931
For real, what are you supposed to do with that plus one? How rare is a scenario where that actually helps?
>>48107931
That -2 ability is going to be a lot more fucking annoying than people are giving it credit for.
>>48109719
kill a dork or protect lili from 2 damage is fine on a 3 mana walker
she just has the impossible task of having to compare to LotVwhich could have EASILY been reprinted in the current standard
>>48109682
Glacian and Urza
>>48109540
The didn't stop Karn from becoming a Planeswalker.
>>48109743
Story wise that wouldn't have worked because according to the fat pack booklet she is joining the gatewatch so that she doesn't need to rely on the veil.
>>48107931
>-2/-1
Fucking really? It went from acceptable to shit with one toughness. I wouldn't use it. It just does not have enough punch because its sorcery speed. You cant use it as a combat trick and you cant get rid of the pesky token spam this block or the key cards in the other formats as a kill spell.
What it really says is
>+1 target creature probably wont block this combat
>>48109509
Odds of not hitting 2 8-ofs off the top seven presuming you haven't drawn any in 6 turns (12-13 cards drawn so far off 60) aren't too high and Bant PWs lists sometimes ran 10-12 walkers last I checked.
>>48108949
I thought i was the only one.
seriously, the concept is just weird, and they are either OP or useless. Having to deal with them is just annoying.
pic unrelated.
>all these people saying the -2/-1 is bad
Hey, it enables some fucking white weenie hate so I'm cool with it. It's also until your next turn so I feel it can even be compared to Flip Jace +2, which is annoying as hell but she also gives / -1 so it kills the smaller guys.
>>48109805
At least she is more interesting mechanically than all of last set's walkers bar Arlinn, though Tamiyo is quite a bit more interesting, though it can be difficult to judge a 3 mana walker she may end up performing better than we think right now, I mean baby Jace was considered to be shit many at first and while I don't think she is that good she might well be better than we think.
>>48109779
you're right but I also don't really care, I just want a LotV reprint that isn't going to by mythic in Modern Masters 3 and thus be completely inconsequential to LotV's price tag
Just make it the story that she picks up the veil for the final time to fight Emrakul, stakes sure as hell are high enough
>>48109847
>Odds of not hitting 2 8-ofs off the top seven presuming you haven't drawn any in 6 turns (12-13 cards drawn so far off 60)
what kind of backwards assumption is that
also what is "not too high"? 40%? Are you ok with your 6-drop spell fizzling 40% of the time?
>>48107931
>Liliana is a good guy now
HUE HUE SURE THING BOSS
>>48109865
Hello and welcome to another exciting episode of tg is bad at magic.
>>48109912
I wish we saw Garruk again.
>>48109924
Nope, at least 3 of the 5 iconic characters have to be female, because so many girls play mtg dontcha know?
>>48109924
He is easily the coolest Planeswalker with the coolest story, its just a damn shame he got memed on and turned into Green/Black. Hopefully he gets to have his revenge soon and starts hunting the current planeswalkers, he didn't deserve this.
>>48109924
he's gonna be there to represent green in Nicol Bolas' anti-Jacetice League
Nahiri, Tezzeret, Ob Nixilis, Garruk and either Tibalt or some new walker we're meeting on Kaladesh
>>48109753
Those sparks got sacrificed to close a time rift, remember?
>>48109964
>Nicol Bolas' league of evil planeswalkers might actually be a thing
Someone just kill me already. I can't stand this dumb cape shit.
>>48109912
He was too pure for this world. He was like Goku, all he wanted to do was find strong beasts and hunt them, he didn't deserve to get corrupted
;_;7
>>48108982
No. Weatherly gut had some redeeming qualities to it. The Jacetice League does not.
>>48109865
>not having a +1+1 enchant for all your weenies down by turn 3
newlili is shit.
>>48109956
>and starts hunting the current planeswalkers
His hunt has ended. He's now just sitting around as a half-demon with a hedron in his chest.
Since that hedron sealed Ob Nixilis' spark before, it might be that he's not even a planeswalker at the moment.
>>48109969
of course not, that storyline happened before he was even born
>>48109956
>Garruk proceeds to hunt down and slaughter each of the gatewatch members one by one
I'd forgive Wizards if this happened
>>48109924
I wish we got more brand new walkers that are not simple archtypes. I want a normal dude thats just like "Oh fuck! The fucks going on?! Oh shit I can use magic! What the fuck is that shit? The fuck you mean my memories lets me summon monsters and cast spells?!" Just bumbling along the multiverse picking up spells and beasts from every odd plane he visits.
>>48109996
Even then she still makes most attackers 1 power.
>>48108373
Did she kill the demons she made the pact with yet?
>>48109400
It's a bit depressing. Wizards took one of the most interesting aspects of the game's flavor and shot it down the toilet.
>>48110028
2/4
She's holding off on the other 2 for the moment, since the chain veil is getting deadlier to use
>>48110011
>wahh there's no character for me to self-insert into
>>48109850
>they are either OP or useless
This is the biggest problem with them. This right here. They either do to little or cost to much to warrant the slot/s. Or they are just busted and a whole standard revolves around them.
>>48109948
Fine have Elspeth replace Gideon, she is far more interesting than him, then again I sincerely feel that Gideon is the least interesting of the main 5 (though I am sick of Jace being the driving force of the multiverse.) And I'm also not a fan of Nissa so making that switch would make everyone happy, right? (Except those dirty elf lovers)
>>48109912
>Lili and the Jacetice League save the Multiverse from every single threat after years of work
>Huge festival on Dominaria to celebrate end of all bad guys
>People come through portals from all planes to see the five heroes
>Massive award ceremony where the president of the Multiverse gives them all medals
>Each one does a speech
>Lili steps up to the podium in front of trillions, her heart warmed
>she is finally the hero, redeemed in the sight of all the Multiverse
>she opens her mouth to begin the speech
>A voice cries out "Stop this!"
>she stops, the words stuck in her mouth,
>A beastman steps forward "Look what she did to my best friend!"
>Garruk, wheelchair bound, is just wheeled forward, right at the front of the crowd, with an oxygen respirator in hand
>Lili stutters, stumbles, and goes backstage to immediately planeswalk to the further away place she can think of
>Garruk pulls the axe from under a blanket and growls incomprehensibly
#JUSTICE4GARRUK
>>48110011
That would be a really shitty character.
I just want one set with no overarching story or connection to anything or anyone already established.
Just a "Hey, this place exists and here's whats going on in it."
>>48109990
it's been signaled pretty hard and I would not be surprised if we see it happen over the course of the next two blocks
If they manage to properly symbolize the good and evil parts of the colors without just making all the evil walkers black I'm fine with it though
>Nahiri: twisted sense of justice
>Tibalt: lol chaos
>Garruk: RULES OF NATURE
>Tezzeret: making kids cry at FNM
>>48109964
Can they not just reform the Infinite Consortium and not do a five color team?
>>48110092
That hasn't happened since Kamigawa and Kamigawa was a failure.
So what the fuck happened to Sorin and Nahiri? Did they just nope the fuck out after Emrakul appeared? This shit is way too anticlimactic for my tastes.
>>48110092
Those days are behind us, friend :(
>>48110115
this
>>48110092
face it, the majority of players like the jacetice league and having the planeswalkers as the center of the story
>>48110079
It would be realistic though. The biggest thing about the planeswalkers were that they were supposed to learn from their experiences. You start with nothing then as you witness things you start to be able to use them. Just see some mage blow a fucking building up with a fireball? Well now you can too! See an elephant stomp humans to death? Now you can summon the elephant.
I haven't seen any of the core walkers evolve their powers based on whats going on around them at all.
>>48110116
They do battle with each other, completely ignoring Emrakul and the Gatewatch.
>>48110116
they fight, Nahiri demands Sorin guard Innistrad like she was forced to guard Zendikar, Sorin admits he has abandoned Innistrad, Olivia hears this and attacks Sorin.
Nahiri uses this opening to seal Sorin in stone so he is forced to go down with the ship, and then she fucks off.
>>48110115
Kamigawa had more than just that going against it, though.
>>48110142
that isn't how most of the CHARACTER planeswalkers work.
Gideon for instance, cannot summon mana constructs of any kind, lore wise.
>>48110114
no, instead we get theinfinite conformium
>>48110150
But then the 5 members of the Gatewatch save Innistrad and kill Emrakul after making it so when she dies she dies for real.:^)
>>48110178
no, they seal her in the Moon.
>>48110178
Couldn't kill Emrakul. Not enough mana.
They just use the moon as a giga-Helvault.
>>48109779
By the same thought process though shouldn't she be able to do something against Emrakul? This card has 0 ways of dealing with it.
>>48110320
>each opponent sacs a creature
I mean if they play Emmy on an empty board but they would probably just sac a dork otherwise.
>>48110384
Disregard I can't into reading comprehension.
>>48107991
Having too many cards in hand is not a spell or ability an opponent controls. Library of Leng does things this card does not.
So, y'know, just run both.
>>48110384
You do make a point that her oath which could be seen as her coming together with the gatewatch could deal with Emmy.
>>48110011
You want Norin the Wary to awaken as a planeswalker. He could be called Norin the Bewildered. It would be great.
>>48110101
>implying Chandra isn't everything bad about red by being burn, and that she won't betray the gatewatch and be replaced by tibalt who represents the only MaRo-approved part of red, bad two drop permanents.
>>48110479
Okay that one was pretty good.
>>48107931
>+1 doesn't kill Stoneforge or Deathrite
And just like that, it's shit.
>>48107977
They darkened the art too much, it's not gonna look as pretty at card size as it did on the book spoilers
>>48107991
Trying to Kill Liliana of the Veil's Legacy/Modern deck so that we'll play this shitty new Lili?
>>48108006
MaRo is a living monkey's pawn.
>>48110101
>Bolas is senator armstrong
>garruk is sundowner
>tezzeret is monsoon
>nahiri is mistral
>supercool new Walker from kaladesh with ambiguous morality (tm) is Sam
>tibalt isIF-Prototype LQ-84i
>>48110585
>nahiri is mistral
You mean a useless less slut?
>>48110011
> Not having a Lorwyn giant planeswalker unable to understand the concept of plane, waking up every day trying to get back home and sometime planeswalking in his sleep.
Great we just got a volcanic hammer with exile on kill, because clearly lighting strike is far too strong.
>>48108373
>Overlay a blue filter and crop out the waist.
I wanna kill the bitch who did this.
Hope Wes will upload the full art.
>>48110727
>3 damage to creature or player and exiles on death
GOOD
>sorcery speed
BAD
>>48110727
>Sorcery
>>48110727
So strictly better lightning strike?
Okay, good against graveyard decks.
>>48110750
Actually never mind
>sorcery
Wat le fug
>>48110750
Make sure you read the whole card.
>>48109964
>Implying any of those hunks would work with PMS planecrash machine.
The white walker in Bolas' turf will be Sorin after Bolas frees him and helps make a new Avacyn in exchange for joining his band of murderhobos.
The red one will be Ramaz.
>>48108006
i wish the ability wasn't so over costed, because i love the idea of a spider canon
>>48110727
"What is the next step of your master plan?" Gideon asked.
>>48107977
Is five colour Superfriends even viable?
>>48108982
I did, a lot... always hated star trek
>>48109995
They're both shit tier. One is a medieval space opera clusterfuck, and other is JL meets the Avengers. They were both kikes trying to cash into the public of some estabilished franchise.
>>48110874
"ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?", replied Chandra
>>48110727
I'm so glad I got off the Standard treadmill. This much sorcery speed removal makes me want to pull my teeth out
>>48108921
>tfw actually like the Gatewatch.
Lili looks so casual there.
Also, everyone calls it the Jacetice League, but Gideon is the one who leads it. They're not the Justice League, they're the Avengersof Zendikar
>>48109548
>It's just a random battle with two planeswalker attached in and some random flavor text.
You mean it's clearly the battle against the horrifying cosmic horror that's central to the climax of the block.
What is with you people? I swear you intentionally look at ways to undermine anything that goes on that involves the "NeoWalkers". The old way of Magic was random bullshit and quotes from real world fiction that barely had anything to do with the card.
>>48110962
It feels like playing Portal Limited, right? ;)
>>48107977
Tell me, /tg/, would you waifu Liliana?
>>48109128
>Maybe forced at the same levels, but with more fancy plot-related cards. See Confound for example.
So you mean literally what's going on here, but it happened when you were a kid, so you were completely on board with it and didn't hate it?
>>48108982
>>48109269
>>48109995
>“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
>1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
>2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
>3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”
Seems fitting.
Why is XMage so fucking garbage, can't they afford a server that is not absolute dogshit and fix the fucking dogshit shuffler's algorithm for fuck's sake.
>>48111032
There's a middle ground between thinking Stasis art is good and sucking off Gideon's retconned nutsack.
OG Ravnica was great because it wasn't tripping over its own flavour just for the sake of a myth arc that is actually terrible.
>>48110115
Lorwyn had it, as did Ravnica the first time round. And those two didn't drop the ball.
>>48111069
Yes, probably. It was my kid's christmas magic land. I'm just saying I don't feel the same with the new story telling.
>>48111096
Kamigawa -> Lorwyn was truly a golden era.
>>48109948
women*
>>48109948
What? Man I prefer images of beautiful women planeswalker to men planeswalker if you give me the choice.
>tfw enchantment creatures are the closest thing we'll have to Stands in Magic
>>48111147
That's because ur gay and want to be a woman deep inside of you.
>>48111151
Skin Invasion would make a cool stand
>>48111121
I can actually pinpoint the exact moment MtG started going down the tubes. It was when Rebecca Guay stopped doing art for the basic sets. Look at Alara, look at everything beyond it. She was the magic that made everything feel good and when she left, so did the good feelings. I surely can't be the only one thinking Innistrad would have been perfect for her.
>You now realise Oona's Grace is her waving goodbye.
>>48108373
Too bad she's really an old hag.
>>48111151
>tfw you're fresh off of reddit with a minor grasp of 4chan slang but are too shy to make your own thread so you make an entirely unrelated comment in a magic thread about your meme anime
Try the create-a-card thread friend, I'm sure people would help you with your stand card set
>>48109128
Speaking of which, the Oaths reminds me of these enchantments. Invasion block was really similar regarding the planeswalkers involvement in the plot.
>>48110874
>>48110950
It's more
>"Okay Chandra, what's our plan?"
>"Have you met me?"
>[Shows off her Jaya Ballard University Diploma, which is just a Scroll of Explosive Rune]
>>48111078
I'm more talking about the people saying Weatherlight era was so much better. Also, frankly, I prefer having a story over just random planes with no connection to each other. You people can hate on the "Jacetice League" all you want, I love it, so fuck y'all.
>>48110092
>>48110115
There were no connected plots until Scars (if you're being generous, Alara), except for literally every coreset, which didn't do well enough to keep making them.
>>48111193
>stays beautiful forever
>decades of sexual experience
>this is somehow bad
>>48111121
>you will never go through Lorwin and Shadowmoor spoilers for the first time again
>You will never draft them for the first time again
>>48111197
>tfw you're a huge faggot who doesn't like to have fun
---» Reddit for intellectual discussion is this way ---»
>>48111226
lol
>>48111226
>4chan is only for shitposting
>>48111214
Who are they? What Black Planeswalker was there? Wasn't that back before they allowed Black to be anything but "Evil Darkbad" and all Planeswalkers were good guys, even the ones who were Greek God tier assholes who threw mortal pawns at each other?
>>48111253
>Greentext shitposting and a reaction image
You sure showed him
>>48111262
>all Planeswalkers were good guys
oh boy you have no idea
>>48111262
>You sure showed him
I can't show anything to a redditor who thinks he should come here to shitpost and keep is precious board for "serious discussions"
>>48108982
Magic writing has never been amazing, but the Weatherlight stories and characters were far more engaging than the Jacetice League stuff. They had real personalities, faced real threats, and incurred real consequences through their actions.
Christ, look how half of the Weatherlight's crew ended up. Now compare it to this clusterfuck of a story, where everyone acts irrationally and huge threats are swept aside with ease, and the only consequences are reserved for side characters (that are, ironically, more interesting than most of the planeswalkers WotC is pushing).
It feels like whoever is writing now is trying to simulate the high-stakes feel of the Phyrexian stuff, but without ever actually having those stakes really mean anything to to the protagonists.
>>48107991
Library of Leng affects all discards. This just affects the ones your opponent causes. It's useless.
>>48110846
It's in BG, which are the Big Mana colors. She will see EDH play and become a casual favorite.
>>48110002
Source?
>>48110011
I'd rather shitty self-insert stuff being stuck to fanfiction.
>>48111059
You know she's necrosexual, right?
>>48111326
>mtg writer panders to the dead
god damn it when will they stop
>>48111262
>What Black Planeswalker was there?
LeShrec, the patron of Tourach and Lim Dul.
>>48110150
So is Nahiri going to be a recurring villain now, or is she just getting away scott-free?
>>48111283
>tfw no stands
Is weird and stupid, but honestly not something I'd consider "shitposting" given the quality of most of this thread. I'm also really getting annoyed at all the Reddit hate, but I think I'm just becoming old and jaded and inter-site rivalry is childish.
>>48111270
Eh. Goodish. I played during 7th or so but never paid attention to anything. The impression I get is that they were the heroes, even when they do all that fucked up shit Urza did. Like Greek Gods. Zeus is the good guy even when he fucks like thirty people or blows a guy up for no reason.
>>48110727
>It took them one entire block to powercreep Touch of the Void
albiet that card is shit and this one is less shit, but it's still a little bit vexxing.
>>48111375
>>48111262
>>48111381
>The impression I get is that they were the heroes, even when they do all that fucked up shit Urza did. Like Greek Gods. Zeus is the good guy even when he fucks like thirty people or blows a guy up for no reason.
Pretty much yeah. They did what they had to do, or ratter, what they THINK they had to do. No wonder the mending happened since there was so many instance of time/mana fuckery on Dominaria.
>>48109912
Just like Nissa
>>48109850
It was better when they were folks like Windgrace or Teferi or Freyalise or something, Urza's wacky plans of how we're going make shit for everyone this week was fun too, modern walkers just don't have that zyzz that makes them fun to read about. I also miss stuff like Kamigawa where there were no fucking walkers to disrupt the setting, just plane natives solving their own bloody problems
>>48110092
I actually really liked Tarkir; it was seperated from all the typical bullcrap of the multiverse. Just a crazy guy getting his dragons back.
>>48111431
>yfw Nahiri returns in the next block as a mono-white who is accepted into the Jacetice League without any questions
>>48111222
>I love it
Congratulations.
You are without exaggeration the first person I have seen who likes the plot, that includes every single judge in have spoken do while working and we tend to have low ass standards.
>>48109964
I kinda want this
I wonder sometime if we are a minority who wants actual threats to the character. I feel the story was more "mature" back then, and main character dying was fine after a while. Sure we have some side character dying but I feel like this generation of Planeswalker are like a bunch of X-Men who can get hurt but not killed, otherwise the "children" would be sad.
>>48111452
Sarkhan is the best 'walker, he's clearly a neckbeard who just wanted his dragon waifu, he didn't ask to be mindraped by Bolas(and then ass-raped, also by Bolas)
>>48110011
That's stupid. You're stupid.
>>48111214
Invasion block had no flavor. One of the lamest sets. I quit Magic for the first time during Invasion block because it was so aggressively stupid.
>>48111262
No. The black planeswalkers were Leshrac and Tevesh Szat. They were both 100% villains, not anti-heroes. That's probably Szat.
>>48111498
>>48110011
Let's just agree that you're BOTH idiots.
>>48111501
But Invasion was one of the best and most loved block of all time. Its also a reason why we got so many gold/multi-color sets at some point, it was just THAT loved.
>>48111501
and Urza, don't forget, Urza is mostly blue black red.
>>48111380
>>48111454
I believe she gets cured of the crazy now that We'rakul is trapped, but I might have dreamed that?
Either way, hopefully she'll stay Boros. I get the impression that the Gatewatch is going to have someone of each colour combination.
>>48111422
>>48111416
>>48111375
Looking it up, the Planeswalker in Planeswalker's Scorn is the Tevesh Svat mentioned in Confound.
>>48111458
Well, "love" might be a little much. Especially with a two block structure they're coming on too fast without a middle (even if the middle tended to suffer), and I don't tend to follow the Uncharted Realms because this IS still cheap paperback quality writing, but I like the plot itself. I've enjoyed the overall story since... hell, as far back as original Zendikar. Actually, Tarkir is probably the only one I haven't cared much about, but that's because everything changed so there wasn't really enough time to *have* a plot, other than Sarkhan going "I want my dragons back!"
>>48111474
>I wonder sometime if we are a minority who wants actual threats to the character
>Literally just had a fucking main character die
RIP Elspeth, no one remembers you.
>>48111191
God, at first glance I wouldn't have recognized that as one of hers. Maybe she'll come back during Return to Lorwyn.
Which will never happen...
>>48111578
Nahiri wasn't "mad" she did what she did with precise calculation.
she wanted Innistrad to suffer like Zendikar did (because face it, SOME PLACE was going to suffer, and it MIGHT AS WELL be innistrad) and she wanted Sorin to have to watch over Emrakul who she intended to Seal away on Innistrad.
she had no intention of destroying Innistrad, she merely wanted it to "bleed like Zendikar Bled" and then force Sorin into the same sort of watch she was forced into.
now, don't get me wrong, this is a pretty dark and "evil" thing to do, but Sorin commited the first sin, so there is that.
>>48111598
Fuck Lorwyn. Let's have Return to Shadowmoor.
Let's have a block that takes place across New Phyrexia, Innistrad, and Shadowmoor. Spooky blocks only.
>>48111578
Well she was only red because MUH VENGEANCE, now she's stiffed Sorin presumably she will return to normal. It would be nice if she stayed crazy as a result of messing with Emrakul but I can't see Wizards having an unambiguously villainous female character, it would be way to problematic.
>>48111578
>RIP Elspeth, no one remembers you.
I think we can all agree that she's probably not even really dead considering where she died.
>>48111638
So basically, this thousand year old Kor is a petty teenager.
>>48107931
Knowing my luck I'll pull this cunt instead of the Tamiyo I want at prerelease.
>>48108921
Wizards is really making me hate planeswalkers.
>>48111650
They literally said she was coming back to life 5 minutes after they killed her off.
>>48111642
she is far and away immune to Emrakul's Mind Shit.
since she and her ex-friends dealth with them before.
>>48111638
>Nahiri
She's the closest we ever got to old walker kind of fuckery.
>I'm so pissed that I'll summon a plane consuming eldritch monster here. Yup fuck you Sorin and every inhabitant of this shit place.
>>48111416
>>48111578
>>48111375
>Leshrac
So who is your favorite planeswalker lorewise? I like Ral Zarekhe hates Jacelike everyone with a brain
>>48111695
Please die.
>>48111650
>>48111681
The Returned can't be planeswalkers though.
So it'll be "Elspeth" but not really.
>>48111681
possible, I took a break after newRavnica so I dont know all the details
>>48111639
Man, I just want my plane inspired by celtic myth and fairy tales back. It was a nice change of pace, and it would force them to not write pants on head retarded world ending plots.
Wait, who the fuck am I kidding, they'd reveal the changelings were eldrazi and rape the plane.
>>48111668
it isn't really petty, she and Sorin just play a game where the peons hold no value, Sorin would kill a billion Innistradians to protect the plane itself, and he would also doom people of other planes just as quickly.
look, you have to think like someone who is a godly 6 thousand year old being.
a mortal means nothing to someone who has lived that long, you aren't even a fucking eye-blink to them, your fucking dust before they even know you.
Nahiri never cared about the people of Zendikar or Innistrad once she was this old, and neither would you.
Urza lived almost as long and somehow kept a slightly bigger amount of empathy, but not much, so that tells you something.
>>48111715
Tamiyo, the Moon Nerd.
>>48111716
Don't look at me I didn't make this. There is an entire website making dota heroes into MTG cards
>>48111529
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I hated the shift to a comic book type of story and illustration style and it made me lose interest in the game in general, since I was a pretty heavy lorefag.
>>48111735
>they'd reveal the changelings were eldrazi and rape the plane.
>>48111715
they made friendsies just recently.
>>48111639
>Let's have Return to Shadowmoor.
Can't do that, it doesn't exist anymore ;)
>>48111744
You may not have made it, but you made /me/ see it. Now I will always know this exists, and can never know peace again.
>>48111572
Urza is Urza. I don't think he's ever black. He's more of the bad side of blue, plus some red and white.
>>48108921
They're piggy backing hardcore off the Marvel Cinematic Universe with this gatewatch stuff. It makes sense to exploit that. the weatherlight saga was doing mostly the same thing with Star Trek
I really hope every block isn't going to be "gatewatch saves the day/tries to save the day every second set" kind of shit though.
>>48111781
Urza's Guilt is black. But yeah, he's AMERICA colors.
>>48111746
I get what you mean, I liked the aesthetic of the Mirage block a lot, same for Tempest/Urza.
Even the Mask story was interesting to a point, but the damn awful mechanics were ruining it.
>>48111781
a FAIR SHARE of Urza cards are black.
Black is his most dominate color tied with blue, he's the most Blue Black character ever.
he's a selfish spiteful hateful little man, if he costed colors it'd be Double Blue, Double Black, and 1 red.
![mtglc1_nr2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iOIBjMR.jpg "mtglc1_nr2[1].jpg")
>grotesque, mindbending, otherworldly monstrosities that are the greatest threat to the multiverse
>defeated by a couple of immature knock-off Justice Leaguers without killing a single one
ayy lmao
>>48111513
No.
>>48111779
>that OC
I love it
>We will never had a plane where we are just viewing characters of that plane deal with their worlds problem
>Instead forever we will be treated to JACETICE LEAGUE MEMBER OR FRIEND's view of the problem then they kill the bad guy
>The bad guy will also be a planeswalker
Shit sucks
>>48111781
>Urza is Urza. I don't think he's ever black
Serra literally says he's got black in him to his face. It's why she asks him to leave the first time around; Serra's Realm was never made to accommodate black mana and he was very slowly poisoning the place.
Urza is extremely blue, moderately red, slightly white, and very slightly black. No green in him at all.
>>48111638
>Nahiri wasn't "mad" she did what she did with precise calculation.
She was trapped in prison for a billion years. She is clearly pretty damned mad. I don't get why everyone goes "well she clearly made plans, so that means she was sane". That's not how it works.
Avacyn lead a whole church Inquisition while she was insane.
>>48111642
>Unambiguously
Have you not looked through these threads?
>>48111717
Says who?
>>48111694
>>48111740
>She's the closest we ever got to old walker kind of fuckery.
This. Also, Sorin stopped caring about Innistrad when the Markovs died. Now he just wants to fight Nahiri. That's why Olivia got pissed off at him. "Stop being fucking children you shits!" and then Nahiri traps him in stone.
Also, Nahiri does care about the people of Zendikar, but, like, as a collective group.
I don't know why people are so pissed off and calling Nahiri evil when she's throwing peasants at Sorin. That's literally what you as the player do when you play the game.
Which is one of the reasons I love the Sorin/Nahiri conflict. It's literally two planeswalkers acting the way that players do.
>>48111817
But these are Mishra's colors.
>>48111817
Blue/black/red are Mishra's colors, though. And that's confirmed since he has an actual card.
I think most of Urza's dickish behavior can easily be explained by Blue and Red.
>>48109682
Karn has a soul, Xantcha's core contains it
>>48111799
there is almost no white to the man, he's Grixis as fuck.
>>48111638
>Innistrad
>suffer
Nah, they seem to be getting along just fine. Nah, this is just another Tuesday.
"Mornin', Bill. How's it hangin'?"
"Like a gallows, Cletus. Had another one o' them eldritch horrors in me wheat field again this mornin'."
"Tarnation! Better get Thalia again."
