Not being a faggot and removing OP links edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
>>48093982So lads I want to know if it's worth getting back into 40k or GW games generally.
I stopped collecting and painting around 10 years ago and haven't followed the releases much since, so is it worth it to get back in?
Am I going to be wasting my money on a dying game? I don't want to drop 500 pounds on the game and then have it die in 5 years or so.
If I do get back into this then what's a good starter set to get? I'm most interested in 40k but fantasy is also an option.
Thanks.
What is the best this guys have right now?
>>48094022
If you think a game that has models older then you still selling is going to die anytime soon then you should re-evaluate your life. Also, start-collecting is a great intro into the hobby.
>>48094059
Aircraft/drop troops or Armoured company. Those are the most competitive options. Kriegers and standard codex is mid line.
>>48094022
Well right now IS a pretty good time to start collecting, since there is a line of Star Collecting! packages, offering very reasonable saving on models and even a play as is formation.
The game itself is... well quite divided, balance between high and low tier armeis is a low, but on the other hand if you find a cool playgroup there's loads of cool if not powerful options to play with.
Every new GW release for July is AoS.
This now, what, the 9th month in a row since the last codex?
>>48094019
>using gw ork codex
>>48094121
>Raptor Odin posting
>>48094094
>CSM getting shafted this hard
I quit 40k years ago, it's nice to see nothing has changed since.
>>48094128
>implying
Neither of those guys, sorry.
>>48094128
this reply wasn't to you originally, but I think it applies to your sentiment:
>>48094122
with the addition: if GW can't/won't/is too slow to fix very obviously broken things, why not do it as players? ITC and others were borne out of this same concept as a means of balancing things for tournament play, but the same idea is equally applied when making shit that currently isn't fun, actual fun again.
>>48094059
Psykana Division, Heavy Artillery Carriages, Vultures.
>>48093874
>>48093763
Thanks for the pointers, I will give it a try myself and post the results later. I've been meaning to do some /gd/ work and now I got the perfect chance.
>>48094059
emperor's wrath formation, and things that go into the emperor's wrath formation.
Vets are the good troop choice, and in chimera are okay for their points.
Their aircraft are good.
Hey could someone check this army list and tell me if I fucked up something essential from rule standpoint? I've just started playing with my friend and he lets me use his figurines if I make my own lists in Battlescribe.
>>48094318
Forgot the damn picture
>>48094093
Armoured company, this is forgeworld codex? which one?
>>48094219
Psykana Division? from the codex Cadia?
>>48094278
emperor's wrath formation is only for apocalypse if i'm correct? (3 basilisk?)
>>48094332
Can Scout Sergeants even take Sniper Rifles?
>>48094368
>emperor's wrath
the new formation, not the old one. Yes they have the same name.
It's 2 of Hydra/Basilisk/Wyvern squadrons
1 Manticore/Deathstrike
And a company command in a chimera.
The Company command can give the IC, pinning, and split fire orders to the artillery.
If you have two voxes within 18" of the target, they get twin linked.
>>48094368
Emperors Wrath got a Cadia makeover and is one of the few good formations from Cadia along with the Psykana, which in my opinion is even better than a Conclave
>>48094418
I think it's just one vox within 18" and LOS, you might be mixing it up with the Space Marine (Can't remember which snowflakes) one that helps with teleporting.
how strong is mono khorne daemons?
>>48094438
you are correct, so better than I thought.
>>48094472
Almost pure melee with no psychic support, no transports and no ability to assault out of deep-strike.
They are pretty good at killing non-specialist space-marines in melee IF they get there.. but that's about it.
>>48094270
as I posted previously the main missing bit is the backgrounds, my photoshop knowledge is sadly very limited and mostly just what I need for UX design at work, having the icons and points rings as individual pngs and a generic dataslate background would be pretty amazing, but I haven't been able to achieve either.
I'm starting Ultramarines (I don't get all the hate). Using the Gladius Strike Force, which is the best Auxiliary to a starting player so I can get the Codex Astares benefit?
>>48094591
which god do i include to make them better than? or do i playcsminstead
>>48094472
new daemon formation lets them spam flesh hounds, which are very good.
And bloodthirsters, which are good.
Only mono-god with a good gun.
Still a very restricted list.
>>48094603
>better
>csm
>>48094603
>better than?
better than that***
>>48094600
the easiest to collect and most universally useful would be 10th company task force, which is just 3 units of scouts. current recommendation is one with cloaks and sniper rifles, and 2 units mounted in land speeder storms.
>>48094368
>Psykana Division? from the codex Cadia?
Yes. The formation might read that the comissars are optional but they are mandatory 1 per squad. Harnessin on 2+ is just retardly good.
Okay here comes the catch - Most spell-lores they can use are shitty. They cant access Telepathy and paying this much for rerolls on divination is just meh.
But Daemonology:Malefic... Theres the gem. WC3 powers? 4 dice and its almost guaranteed, you can even try them on with 3. Perils on all doubles? LIKE I CARE the commissar will just *BLAM* your dude before he can roll shit on the table and do something retarded. Oh daemons are CTA-allies? Pfffth just summons screamers and turbo-boost them the fuck off to harass your opponent. And swapping your 85pts squad for Lord of Chance is always extra lulzy.
>>48094603
>which god do i include to make them better than? or do i playcsminstead
If you want to play pure Khorne good, the Khorne Deamonkin army works quiter well, it's go fast Khorne demons mixed with similar Khornate CSM.
>>48094621
hey man i don't know
i just wanna play the red guys. something lore appropriate
what about khorne/nurgle? mono nurgle? i'm a noob these are shots in the dark
>>48094654
are those better than csm?
>>48094022
> if it's worth getting back into 40k or GW games generally.
It is a game for 2 or more players. 90% of the game enjoyment depends on your opponent. Find a good group and be a good player. There are different gamers who have different ideas for what that constitutes so best you find some with similar looks you have.
GW is currently making a big FAQ update, which is as unbelievable now, as it was 10 years ago. It is really based on hobbyist feedback on their facebook page.
>Am I going to be wasting my money on a dying game?
People are saying GW is dying for the last two decades now. They went through ups and downs, but if you are afraid of the company dying, GW is probably the safer choice then many competitors.
>If I do get back into this then what's a good starter set to get?
Depends on the faction you want to start with.
> I'm most interested in 40k but fantasy is also an option.
fantasy.... is dead. Replaced with Age of Sigmar, which has mixed reviews. Many dislike it compared to fantasy, if you care for a stable system, 40k is probably better. But then, I don't care for fantasy/AoS, you might visit their general regarding info for that.
So my friend's doing up a Death Korps of Krieg Assault Brigade army. I know precious little about how any form of IG work so could you rate? He's going for a historically accurate WW2 german division, forgot which so rather keeps the units he's chosen. Just looking for rating and wargear advice please.
He has a Company Command squad with an artillerist, 2 Griffon mortars and a Hdra Flak Tank. then he has an Infantry platoon command squad and 4x10 infantry squads. 2x8 Grenadier squads in Storm Chimeras, a Hellhound, a heavy weapons platoon (2 with heavy bolters, 1 with lascannons), 2 Thunderer Siege tanks and an Avenger flyer.
>>48094672
It a combined army built around both demons and CSM type troops.
They are at least solid middle tier where as regular CSM fight for last place.
>>48094600
Most the lists I see bring something to deal with aircraft.
I use the AA formation because my reserve rolls suck but some like the storm wing.
>>48094094
>Triarch Stalker
>High tier
Yes a single gun walker with no CC AP and a support ability that causes it to be blown off the board by turn two is a excellent unit.
>>48094683
2/5 list. Steer clear of Hydras and thunderers even if they are cool since they are lack-luster ruleswise.
>>48094332
> Just started playing
> already shoe horning in apocalypse strategic assets and forge world into a 1000 point game
Son you are on a dark path.
>>48094729
It's got the option to build the robot spider-tank popemobile
/40k/ I have done it! I have created my first BUSTY heavy weapon team. So far its only one centaur, but I have placed orders with FLGS for more.
I'm also waiting on female heads from statuesque minis, to complete the models.
>>48094872
>space marine chest pieces
> No bust to see
Get the fuck out and stay out
Thinking about coming back to 40K, but I'd like to do something fun, like Grey Knights allied with Inquisition, a tribute to the old Daemonhunters codex. Lots of flavorful Inquisition acolytes and whatnot. Maybe an Assassin in there.
Is this viable at all or is it not even worth it with all the Tau/Eldar spam I'm hearing so much about? I haven't played since 5th.
>I also wish Tyranids weren't shoehorned into one mildy competitive build, as they were my first love.
>>48094872
it's all fun and games until someone actually does the meme
>>48094957
>until someone actually does the meme
it was done before and far better.
>>48094945
Depends on your local meta, INQ/Grey knights is decent.
>>48094945
it won't compete with top-tier armies played at full effectiveness, but it will do well to decent against most current 'normal' armies.
I play most of the imperial factions and inquisiton mixed with its various orders militant is still the most fun, and with 7th edition allies rules you can actually make it fit the fluff.
>>48094872
Not busty enough, raptors anon.
>>48094945
Why not Red Hunters with Inquistion? Even fluffier.I just want someone to love my forgotten chapter, as it's clear FW won't.
>>48095054
Yea, I know... I need better options for torso pieces to represent Power Armour. I'm not a fan of boob plate though, just not very realistic.
>>48094758
You literally could not have made me happier with this comment.
>>48095054
I thought about playing them, I ended up trying to paint them a green snowflake chapter so I can use mantis warriors tactics but everyone hated it because
>forge world
I think I should just strip them and go red hunters but I already equipped all my guys with melee weapons.
>>48095079
>doing BUSTY ABHUMAN ROUGH RIDERS
>doesn't like boobplate
classic raptorguy
>>48095079
Oh Raptors anon! If you wanted to do busty, then you should've gone with either pure cheesecake or boobplate.
>>48095087
To be fair, I'm not going for BUSTY so much as "MONSTERGIRL REGIMENT in Power Armour". Next week its going to be Lamia recon squads
>>48095079
anon there are quite a few things contradictory in that sentence and i fear the thread may roast you alive for that
Hi, returning player, just found this :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/687932.page
Is this a thing ?
Do I have to get the latest, heaviest, largest models to be capable, even in friendly tournaments ?
I play IG
>>48095115
RAPTORGUY PLS
at least get one set of wych torsos from ebay and make some. pls.
>>48095149
Wych torsos? Alright fine, I'll make some cheesecake Lamia snipers for you guys.
>>48095126
You know, if he fielded all of that fully painted, I wouldn't even be mad.
>>48094945
Unless you're going to play tournaments don't listen to all /tg/'s doom and gloom bullshit. You'll find plenty of casual people who play pretty much every army. as long as you're not the absolute bottom tier (orks, CSM, nids) you'll have fun.
>>48095126
If you're playing tournaments then you do what you have to to win.
>>48095218
>If you're playing tournaments then you
have already lost
>>48095251
Somebody has to win. Probably the person who took more bikes.
>>48094872
>No bust
>Awful proportions
>Using an immobile unit to represent mobile horse ladies
0/busty see me after class.
>>48095297
>Somebody has to win. Probably the person who took more bikes.
The guy who tailors the most to win loses the most.
>>48095126
>tournaments
If it's a tournament you're supposed to cheese it to win.
>>48095126
>IG
>Tournaments
Don't, anon. Just don't. 40k is not a game that holds up to competitive play; that kind of game assumes the sides are balanced enough that skill and strategy make the game, and simply put, they're not. There are too many armies, too many rules, and too many poor developer decisions. You'll be fighting at a disadvantage to begin with, using a mid-tier army, and on top of that your opponents will, almost to a man, bring the best their army can possibly fit.
You will lose. Often and fast. That's not a prediction, that's not an assumption. It's a fact. I play Guard - I have only ever played Guard, I only ever will play Guard. It's my favorite army by far. And I will never play a tournament unless there is some serious revision of the game.
40k is not balanced. Don't walk into a game that assumes it is.
Im gonna balance orks the best way possible: by playing orks vs orks. Do any rules exist for a path to Glory style campaign using only orks? My ork buddy is gonna divide up his units for us to have a gud fite and I'm looking to get creative.
>>48095386
GorkaMorka?
>>48095367
I always find it fund to enter with a army noone expects, one that upsets whatever inbred meta people are used to, fun to see the top cheesers scratching their head as they face units they've never seen in their competitive leagues with rules they didn't know existed.
>>48094115
Ashkually, space wolves got an updated codex in February. Not much changed in it admittedly but hey, this is GW, that happens sometimes.
>>48095429
Units not seen are not seen for a reason - tau flyers, rough riders, land speeders and pyrovores are just shitty units.
Starting or coming back in 40k is great today, because of all those other vendors. Half of my 40k armies consits of models from raging heroes, wargame exclusive, kromlech and so on. With the new Darkness and Light kickstarter from raging heroes i will start my dark eldar army. And GW itself has a fuckton of cool releases like Skarbrand. You can get around the lack of character those days (in contrast to the 90s where it seems fewer developers packed more of their own in the game) with some greenstuff and time.
>>48095386
>Im gonna balance orks
>by playing the mirror
that makes 0 sense mate
>Do any rules exist for a path to Glory style campaign using only orks?
gorkamorka
>>48095429
I can't say I haven't always wanted to turn up at a tournament with a list of nothing but Ork Walkers.
>>48095622
I stomped a Podspamer list with a walker list.
Great fun, though I was quite lucky with my KFF bouncing off the first turn of melta shots before i tore them apart with Grotzookas and Klaws
Are War Walkers OP?
What about Swooping Hawks?
>>48095715
No and no.
>>48095715
Both units are very decent but noway "OP". They both have designated role and they perform that role very well.
Anybody holding out hope for GW using the new erratas as a quick patch for balance for Orks, CSM, and nids?Me neither. :'(
>>48095715
there are 4 outright OP units in eldar,
another 4 very good ones that still have enough downside to not be broken,
and the rest go from pretty good to subpar.
>>48094872
You call that busty? Look at this wiki for a fan service-y vidya game/anime and repent. http://senrankagura.wikia.com/wiki/Kagurapedia
>>48095805
I don't expect it, but it would be nice. Just a few lines of "Forgefiends are now 140 points, Rubrics are 20 and Terminators are 22"
>>48095805
it's not an errata, it's an FAQ, there is a difference.
>>48095805
Nope
If anything theyll use them to make them worse
Such is the way
>>48095878
What are really subpar units Eldar have? Damn I would give my third testicle for Shining Spears in my IG-army.
>>48095903
"If your opponent agrees you can have your snowflake dreads have 4 attacks, SCRATCH THAT now it's an official rule"
They're clearly just making shit up as they go along
>>48095903
Unless you're space marines :^)
>>48095929
Storm Guardians. Maybe regular guardians too. Every other unit is at least average or above average.
>>48095929
Par for 40k or for Eldar?
>>48095949
>Murderfang now gets 9 attacks on the charge at I4 for only 35 points more than a 4 klaw deff dread
>which has to give up its weapons for 7 attacks at I2
WEW
LADI keep thinking I cant get any saltier, then I fucking do.
>>48096032
Are you salty a Special character is better than a generic model?
>play orkz
>lose melee against literally any given unit 9 times out of 10 with expensive units like mega nobz
new codex when
>>48096032
Anon, don't be salty. Look for a bright side.
>>48096068
>Special character is an elite slot
>Deff dread is in the insanely overcrowded HS slot
>>48095929
Shining Spears look an army with no mobile infantry (rough riders are beyond subpar), they are subpar for their role.
As said, storm guardians are the worst. Phoenix lords are all overpriced for what they do, with some also just not doing anything
Wraithblades are an extremely slow melee unit with no good way to speed them up.
Vypers are venoms with no inbuilt invun and no transport capacity.
And the wraithlord is a dreadnought with no special characters or options outside of forgeworld.
and the autarch is 70 pts to get a bonus to you reserve rolls.
Howling banshees aren't subpar for their role, but their role is killing sisters of battle and chaos space marines, and that does not come up that often. Though in ZM you add a useful disruption role that puts them up to useable.
>>48094729
>No Cc AP
Isn't it a walker?
>>48096113
Walkers don't have any inherent AP.
>>48096086
Were you trying to play fair with big boys?
Orks are bullies, you either gang up on elites or use your elites to pick on enemies that can't threaten them.
does anyone have the miniwargaming vods for their gorkamorka campaign?
>Dreadnoughts get buffed
>Play Grey Knights
>STILL no reason to run a Dreadnought over a Dreadknight
Old psyfleman comeback would've been nice.
>>48096178
>you either gang up on elites
you have to actually get there with your mob first which doesn't happen because they're made of paper
>or use your elites to pick on enemies that can't threaten them.
very little is incapable of at least getting multiple wounds against ork elites in melee that's worth sending your elites at
>>48095611
>>48095395
Oh, is that what gorkamorka is?
>>48096204
If their sanctuary spell gave them a 4++ if they manifest, they MIGHT be usable.
>>48096299
Think Mad Max but with Orks as the dominant species and humans deperately trying to emulate them.
>>48096127
You sure? I'm 99% sure they have smash.
>>48095960
I think not, heavy weapon platforms alone make back the squads point on time and a warlock casting Conceal in ruins for a 2+ cover on an objective is hard to budge. They're weak and default guns are short ranged, but the wep platforms can make them reliable hunt tanks, troops or transports. Relentless really helps this as well
>>48096350
Nope, that's MC's.
All walker's have is HoW and immunity to s3 and poison.
>>48096299
GorkaMorka is basically killteams but with more rules governing how vehicles move.
Which lets them kareen about wildly and crash into stuff and explode.
It's great fun.
![sentpl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wx7qInN.jpg "sentpl[1].jpg")
>>48096350
No, not all walkers have Smash. Many do, but not all.
Pic related: The Sentinel Powerlifter only hits at AP4.
>>48096392
>>48096413
Huh, shit. Does a Dreadnaught CCW give AP2?
>>48096433
Yes.
>>48096102
I wouldn't mind them moving Deff Dreads and Killa Kans to Troops to be honest.
>>48096413
>No, not all walkers have Smash.
Walkers dont have smash, period, thats MCs.
>>48096433
Its a powerfist so yes.
Come on guys this is basic stuff.
>>48096204
Do they not do the improved aegis aoe thing anymore? I haven't played mine since 6th ed.
>>48096457
>Come on guys this is basic stuff.
They're obviously new. The tables can be confusing at times for people who have only downloaded the codices and never played.
The Ork Codex is a fucking joke because of CAD, the solution GW gave me was to play unbound.
How do we fix orks lads?
>>48096520
Based 0din. Pray that your friends acknowledge that Orkz have a problem and see if they'll let you use it.
>>48096513
Even worse for people that never read the rule-books and just rely on forums and wikis to chew and regurgitate the rules for them.
>>48096513
Asking what AP a wargear is when you know the name of the wargear and have the rules that tell you the stats of the war gear is dumb. Not "help I'm new" dumb, but like "holy shit are you illiterate dumb." And no I'm not the guy you're talking to
>>48096520
I like Unbound Orks myself.
However fixing them would take a noticeable price drop in things or actually making them worth their points cost.
Since I prefer quantity to quality, it'd probably be the former option.
All orks remain the same but they all get +1W across the board. Boyz 2W.
That post about war walkers makes me want to run a Walkers Workers Union list, unbound with a unit of stompy robots from each faction.
>>48096567
>dude instant death totally ignores your invuls
>alright so i got psychic shriek cast onto your bloodthrister so he doesn't get any invuls
>i'm gonna spread out my wounds in cqc despite not having any characters
sometimes my locals say curious things
>>48095126
>>48095185
I see a pretty similar list all the time, thought the guy has an optimized stealth cadre instead of 2riptide wings
You come across a lot of salty cry fgts in 40k these days, especially when you beat there cheese lists. What do you do when you come across players that won't say 'GG' or shake your hand after a game?
>>48096871
post about it on tg
>>48096871
If they are cheeselords i wouldn't want shake their hands either.
I reserve handshakes for people that did me a service and/or people I'd like to meet in the furure.
>>48096871
Just make sure you say "Good game, bro." as politely as possible and slightly loud so that nearby people can hear. If he's as autistic as you would think, he'll get super fucking salty and embarrassed at the same time. For bonus points, try going for a handshake when people are looking.
>>48096871
Usually people that refuse basic sportsmanship are ones who have already depleted your patience and respect in the hour+ game you just played, so I just pack my shit up with no emotions. It's just an unpleasant situation you are not obligated to wade through any more than necessary.
In fact, technically you should just quit the game if the guy is draining the fun out of it, but that would mean conceding and usually these types take those as proud victories anyway, so I'm not giving them that pleasure.
>>48096871
"Good game" isn't mandatory but if I offer a handshake and they refuse, that's really fucking rude, especially considering I'm not a poor sportsman and I don't have a cheesy list. I like to consider myself a pretty easy to get along with normalfag and my list is super weak and fluffy and fun, so if someone refuses my handshake they'd have to be a maximum autist sore loser, or someone that's extremely timid or some kind of germaphobe who never shakes hands.
>>48096871
I saw some new player playing that space shark army with the white helmets that everyone on /tg/ seems to like with random shit like terminators and he got stomped by some douchebag with an unpainted Tau army. You can guess what kind of units the Taufag was fielding.
That shit pissed me off but the marine player seemed to be a good sport about it. It's just stupid to see someone like a new player get picked on by a cheesy army especially when the new player put so much effort into painting their whole army just to get stomped by grey FotM shit.
>>48097024
Yes, you're right. But it speaks volumes of the Space Shark player for how he behaved and just from your post, I'd be interested in playing against him.
Good behaviour earns you bros and this game thrives in that environment. The game is fun but its cranked up to 11 when playing with people who truly make you ENJOY every minute spent in battle.
>>48097024
>Tau
Ostracize and humiliate these faggots. If you are playing a Tau formation or suit list, you're a fucking douchebag.
>hating tau players
Look, it's not their fault that GW can't balance 40k worth a damn
>>48096871
What if the situation is the reversed?
You getting absolutely wrecked ny his cheesefest and the winner comes a walking proffering what is sure to be a sticky "dead fish" handshake along with thanks for a good game of "line em up and pack them away."
>>48097151
Why not hate everyone else for playing their formations and spamming an iconic unit from their army as well then?
>>48097179
Be the bigger man?
>>48097151
>He's not playing a CAD Tau list full of vespids, kroot, sniper drone teams, and Ethereals he must be a WAAC faggot
Seriously, just because someone is playing an army the one of the ways they were designed doesn't make them a waacfag. Yes, I run the Hunter Contingent, with the Hunter Cadre and an Stealth Cadre, but do I win all the time? No. I'm using the tools available to me to play at a level where I'm not intentionally gimping myself, but I'm not being a massive faggot.
>>48097230
Basically this.
>>48097171
I'm sure they "accidentally" took a Riptidewing and 2 Stormsurges/Ta'unar. You know exactly what the fuck you're doing the moment you start picking up multiple Riptide boxes. Don't blame GW for their faggotry.
>>48097230
War Convocation, Battle Company, and cheesy unit spammers SHOULD be ostracized. Tau players simply manage to be the most unfun to play and most consistently faggoty among such players.
It's like saying why don't people complain about drug cartels and Syrian refugees instead of niggers and Muslims.
>>48097230
>>48097171
>>48097264
Found the Taufags. One of them even admitted it. Go fuck yourselves. You're assuming everyone is a faggot like you. What are you going to say when it turns out none of the people here run faggoty shit like you? Your argument is null.
>general was perfectly fine
>starts talking about WAACfags and saltiness out of nowhere
>oh look it turns out a bunch of Taufags were posting
Another thread ruined by Taufags. And you wonder why people hate your guts.
>>48097309
post lists
>>48097334
it's almost like we hate each other
Best way to field Death Company?
Most people say groups of 5-10 with jump packs and 1 power fist per 5.
That seems reasonable enough.
280 points for 10 with jump packs and 2 power fists.
But Death Company are meant to kill infantry and possibly monstrous creatures as well.
Why not include some inferno pistols and exchange power fists for power weapons?
15 points gets you a power axe, +1 AP2 unwieldy non-specialist weapon.
Combined with furious charge you're looking at Strength 6, 5 attacks on the charge.
Those extra 10 points you would have spent on a power fist can be used for other things.
Strength 8 (9 with furious charge) is good, don't get me wrong but it's mostly wasted unless you're trying to kill a Great Unclean One or something T8+.
People say, well you can tear open a tank or something with a power fist, but then you've wasted your entire assault phase on that tank. Why not use an inferno pistol in the shooting phase instead and still have the opportunity to hit something else in the assault phase?
Any out of the box ideas on how to equip them?
On Vanilla Marines Tactical Squads, what's the standard (or most flexible) Sergeant, Special, and Heavy combo?
>>48097453
A unit that fired in the Shooting phase can only charge the unit that it targeted during that turn’s Shooting phase.
>>48094332
What program is this?
>>48097546
Battlescribe.
>>48097522
Fair enough, but consider the scenario where you targeted a transport rather than a tank.
>>48097465
5 Tactical Marines, 1 Melta/Gravgun, (optional) 1 Combi-Melta/Grav, Rhino or Drop Pod
5 Tactical Marines, 1 Grav-Cannon, (optional) 1 Combi-Melta/Grav, Rhino or Drop Pod
10 Tactical Marines, 1 Gravgun, 1 Grav-Cannon, (optional) 1 Combi-Grav, Rhino or Drop Pod
>>48097404
>complain about superior Tau technology beating them all the time
>refuse to join the Greater Good
Fucking gue'la.
>>48097309
>You're assuming everyone is a faggot like you.
No what I'm saying is if you're going to have hate for a Suit list then you might as well have hate for the Tyranid guy's Monstrous Creature, the Ork guy's Walker list or the Dark Eldar guy's Pain Engine, Grotesque and Wrack list and the Imperial Guard guy's Tank list.
>>48097309
OH NO, I PLAY TAU, I MUST BE A FAGGOT
Dude, chill your autism. Tell us what traumatizing experience made you like this. I picked up Tau as my 2nd army before their 7th codex because they were my first venture into the hobby. But I chose Grey Knights as my 1st army because PALADINS IN SPACE. Then I got into Tau fluff and loved it. So fuck off.
>>48097349
Enjoy. http://pastebin.com/0RwCFF6p
>>48097582
>Tyranids and Orks and DE are as bad as Tau
No, fuck yourself, what kind of logic is that you retard. And I don't even play those armies.
>>48096457
I'm sorry, thank you for spoonfeeding this retarded baby. Does that powerfist also double its S value? I'm brand new.
>>48097591
>OH NO, I PLAY TAU, I MUST BE A FAGGOT
>Dude, chill your autism. Tell us what traumatizing experience made you like this.
Just look at your own post to see why people hate you. Fucking moron shooting yourself in the foot, you even SOUND like a faggot when you post. Acting like a sperg then telling people to fuck off, how about YOU fuck off and stop ruining every general? Nobody fucking cares how long you played your shitty faction that doesn't even belong in the franchise or fit in. Just because people played space marines for their entire lives doesn't excuse marine cheese so why the fuck do you think it excuses you? Marines were a worse army for a longer period in the game than Tau were.
>>48097556
Powerfists are still nice to have in case you run into a melee walker. Wounding MC's on 2's consistently is also pretty nice, plus ID for t4.
>>48097604
Yes, Dreadnoughts hit at S10. PFs always double S. You should really go look at that page with the PF rules on it.
Why do I love assault armies when the game clearly favors shooting?
Why must I always choose the wrong thing in the pursuit of cool?
>>48097591
Stereotypes exist for a reason. You are being part of the reason.
I can tolerate Tau WAAC if it's fully painted by hand, or painted very well with airbrush. Unpainted Tau and crappily painted airbrush jobs are just pointless to even play. It's not going to be enjoyable to even look at so why bother playing an ugly army just to lose.
>>48097566
So just take gravs all day every day?
>>48097582
>if you have hate for suits you have to hate these non-meta, unrelated things with half the utility.
>>48097675
>painted very well with airbrush
nope, don't fall for this meme
>>48097624
>>48097653
The fact that you lot just get sooooo triggered by a three letter word is astounding. How do you function in normal life when something that you don't agree with happens? Do you sperg out like you do here? I mean, I know it's hard to read sarcasm over text, but that post was loaded with it. Like, it's a fucking game. Don't blame me for the faction I picked to suddenly get powercreeped to all hell. And you guys are the ones shitting up the general because every time without fail someone pipes up with "hurr durr fucking Taufags". I get it, you don't like the faction. Move along.
>>48097599
>>48097582
Does anyone have a collection of the miniwargaming videos?
>>48097646
Because you aren't a foolish goyim tricked by GW. I favor assault too. This hobby is too expensive and time consuming compared to video games to just follow flavor of the month unless you really like that particular flavor.
>>48097684
>Meme
Do you even know what that word means, anon?
>>48095315
Well, it's going to be my Heavy Weapon teams. I wanted Centaurs for my HWTs because they're the only monstergirls I can currently make that would justify having a single model with T4 W2, and lugging around a Heavy Weapon. Obviously a Centaur would be best suited for shouldering stuff like heavy bolters and autocannons.
Imperial Cults and Militia doesn't have Rough Riders, I absolutely would be modeling rough riders if I could use them on the tabletop.
2 weeks from now I'm getting my next paycheck(Which will be bigger! This one was just for training). Then I'll be ordering heads and buying a shit-ton more models to make monstergirls with.
>>48097689
>mfw a retard asks for an explanation of why people hate him
>mfw after being told it's because they act like a retard, he continues to act like a retard
Are you just pretending or what? Why are you so stupid that you think continuing to act like a faggot and arguing with people who hate you for being a faggot is going to somehow magically make you not a faggot?
>>48097599
>logic
The logic behind it is having hate for everyone having a list based around the most iconic unit in their army.
Not just Tau.
>>48097714
Just because the guy airbrushed his army twice doesn't mean it's well painted
>>48097689
Wow, its almost like you don't know where you are. Fuck back off to warseer.
>>48097689
>How do you function in normal life when something that you don't agree with happens? Do you sperg out like you do here?
Funny I could ask you the same thing. Keep sperging, madlord. Can't get over the fact that people hate you for being the niggers of 40k that you are.
>>48097730
>he thinks Riptides, Stormsurges, and Ta'unars are the most iconic Tau units
This is why people are calling you stupid and wrong.
>>48097693
>>48097730
Wait. My mistake. It wasn't bait. I think he's actually just retarded.
>>48097646
because you know to honor the emperor by presenting him with the skulls of his foes. my daemons have always depended on combat and they're mostly fast enough to get their by turn 2. i can't help ya with orks or but i believe that nids are very similar to daemons
>>48097735
He already mentioned bad airbrush jobs in the same post as the good airbrush paintjobs. Unless you want to hate all airbrushed models which is your choice.
>>48097689
>Unironically liking the worst faction in the game
faggot
>>48097334
>Another thread ruined by Taufags.
And those who hate them.
For all this talk of Taufags ruining the thread, I'm noticing half the things I see ruining the thread here are individuals posting replies far more negative than a lot of what the supposed "Taufags" are posting.
But I shouldn't be surprised given where this is.
>>48097646
>going for an assault army
>not playing daemons
LaughingDaemonettes.jpg
>Taufags shit up another general
>Taufags are STILL shitting up the general, right now
>has the audacity to claim it's everyone else that's shitting up the general
This literally wouldn't have happened if you weren't here or you didn't shit up the general. How is it possibly everyone else's fault? Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't with everyone else but you, but the problem is you?
>>48097730
>most iconic unit
Your green is showing
>>48097782
all airbrushed models are lazy
>>48097689
>lmfao how does a word trigger you like anon I know you had cancer but why do you get so scared and shocked when I say cancer lightly lol you fucking pussy
>>48097765
>implying they're not
Whenever someone talks about tau they always mention the riptide, even in the fluff they're much MUCH more common now.
>>48097738
The fuck is Warseer?
>>48097746
I'm just genuinely curious as to why they get soooo fucking mad. You can refuse to play against people, but you know, the people this website attracts usually aren't the most socially adept, so they probably go along with it, get crushed by the actual WAACfag, then come on here to cry about it because their weak social skills prevented them from saying "no, thanks."
>>48097765
If anything, the Crisis Suit is probably the most iconic, and I personally believe that the Ghostkeel should be the largest suit. But, hey, apparently I'm a WAAC taufag , so what do I know.
>>48097810
Nothing wrong with lazy as long as it looks good. Which a lot of lazy airbrushed models don't. Is it really so hard to NOT have terrible sprayed OSL and super obvious unblended pre-shading?
>>48097824
>If anything, the Crisis Suit is probably the most iconic, and I personally believe that the Ghostkeel should be the largest suit. But, hey, apparently I'm a WAAC taufag , so what do I know.
>>48097823
This is why people hate you fags. Don't try to bury your head in the sand.
>>48094094
>Reaver which isn't a DT and has to be boarded once in play, thus fucking up potential Deep Strike shenanigans, and also only has 1 gun
>High Tier
Or am I missing something? I barely skimmed the FAQ and formation rules. Can you board it in Ongoing Reserves or something?
>>48097814
>Comparing children's toys to cancer
Wew.
It just goes to show how immature all these tau hate kids are. Maybe you could play the game like a normal person and have fun and not sperg out?
>>48097453
The basic DC is so fucking strong they can kill most non-heavy targets with just chainswords. DC are very fragile and will eventually die after their initial charge unless they absolutely maul the enemy in one round of combat, or are charging things like grots, so it's best not to put TOO many points in them. That's why you only put 1 hidden PF or whatever in them for emergency situations. The bolt pistols and chainswords can handle all the rest that you SHOULD be charging. Don't send your DC into something like Thunderwolf Cavalry.
If you really want more firepower, having two hidden upgrades per 5 is alright. Never go higher though unless your upgrades are discounted like Vanguard Veterans'.
>>48097847
Why is it when I read this post I hear the sound of a crying child?
>>48097824
>Crisis Suit is probably the most iconic
That's what I meant by "iconic unit."
Those, Broadsides, Stealth Suits and suits in general basically.
But apparently it's cheese no matter what kind you have if /tg/ has anything to say about it.
>>48097879
My problem with these argumentative Tau players isn't that their definition of fun is their super OP stuff, it's that they can't fathom the idea that people don't enjoy playing against their "fun" stuff and then start arguing about in on /tg/ as to why others should accept it.
You never see Eldar doing this.
>all this negativity
how about we say nice things about 40k or what we like about it? i like how detailed miniatures get, before 40k i think i even put together model tanks back when i was maybe 13
>>48097824
Hey buddy, I fucking hate Tau.
Why? I play Orks, that's all you need to know?
>>48097907
Probably because it's quoting you crying about how people don't like what you like. Keep shitting up the thread though and claiming you're not. That'll sure show everyone.
>>48097908
Should I link your faggoty friend who claims that Riptides are the iconic Tau unit AGAIN, or would I just be called crying AGAIN?
>>48097868
You can start the game in transports, they don't have to be dedicated to that unit.
>>48097641
Have a bird friend, thank you
>>48097933
I would enjoy the detail more if people fucking painted their models.
Think ive found out why 30k players are so much happier and so desperate to keep 40k players out
>>48097907
>Why is it when I read this post I hear the sound of a crying child?
Wow, gee.... I dunno... Maybe you should try noise canceling earphones or maybe taping your mouth shut if you can't stand hearing a child cry.
>>48097983
Does airbrushing count?
Well that was fun.
Anybody play with the new Stormcloud Attack game yet? I downloaded the $7 app and I think I'll give it a shot.
The biggest selling point for me is that it is a standalone game and doesn't rely on the clusterfuck of unbalanced codices out there.
In my opinion this is what Death from the Skies should have been, instead of the bloat that it was. If you want a plane battle, play a plane game. Don't try and shoehorn it into 40k.
>>48097950
It's pretty bold for a shitposter like you to accuse us of shitting up the thread.
Come on then, tell me about your army.
>>48098006
It's better than the sea of grey I see at my shop.
>tfw i can't talk about Tau despite me not fielding almost any suits and CADs only
So how about them Rail Rifles?
>>48097986
>implying they have less shit postersImperial Fists vs Iron Warriors
>>48098055
>fucking WAAC fag
I'm waiting for it.
If we're going to be honest, the general was likely going to be shat up with or without Taufags. It's more accurate to say 40k players shit up 40k generals.
Anyone who plays tryhard WAAC outside of tournaments or competitive local stores like FLG is a social retard anyways, like the neckbeards who actually wear fedoras or identify as bronies IRL.
>>48097983
I pity your locals, have they considered paying someone to paint for them instead?
>>48098084
Anyone who plays tryhard WAAC outside of tournaments or competitive local stores like FLG is a social retard anyways, like the neckbeards who actually wear fedoras or identify as bronies IRL.
...aka tau players?
>>48098024
>>48098082
Nice not-shitposting there. What does their army even have anything to do with you? Either you're going to go "see you're also a faggot" if they play something cheesy, which somehow negates your own faggotry? Or they're going to describe some shitty fluff list and you're going to insult them for that somehow. Literally what does others talking about their non-Tau armies even accomplish? It's like a nigger demanding other ethnicities to talk about their own shit as if that somehow negates his stupid nigger shit.
>>48097646
For you know the meaning of GLORIOUS MELEE COMBAT!
>>48098123
>Fucking /pol/ faggot
I'm waiting for it.
>go out to party
>come back to this
never change, /tg/
>>48098162
>Fucking weeb faggot
I'm waiting for it.
>>48098102
They often do, my shop seems to be full of mr monopoly types that buy a new army each week. At least the local meta is always fresh and interesting.
They're way in to AoS at the moment though and the manager was running a "spend more money!" event so I couldn't go this week end. I also not have any hero I can use in hero quest and I'm not paying for shit in the app.
Why can't we just get along? What's more likely? Us getting along or Orks/CSM/Nids/DEldar/SoBs getting 10/10 new codices tomorrow?
>>48098082
>>48098169
>>48098192
Literally look at this Taufag.
>>48098222
Neither will ever happen.
>>48098222
There can only be war.
>>48098228
>I created a meme
I'm waiting for it.
Who is hated more, weebs, /pol/ or Tau players?
>>48098262
You.
>>48098228
He's still shitposting.
He's still fishing for yous!
I bet you're an ork player.
>>48098236
>>48098252
Can we at least be civilized about it?
>>48098255
>blue proof chicken.jpg
I'm waiting for it.
>>48098123
>What does their army even have anything to do with you?
>>48098278
>I bet you're an ork player.
Wew lad he called it!
>>48097879
I wasn't using cancer as an example, I'm using as a primary source.
Reading your shitposting is making me feel mental pain near the magnitude of the type of experienced during chemo/cancer.
Just shut the fuck up already.
>>48098262
The only group I truly despise are phone-posters.
>>48098279
You mean like...a civil war?
>>48098280
>posts proof
I'm waiting for it.
>>48098305
>"goddamnit resize your sideways image
>"BUT I'M POSTING FROM MUH PHONE"
>yfw phones have built in rotation, crop, and resize functions
I-I didn't want a nice general anyways, b-baka!
>>48098349
>fucking weeb faggot
I'm waiting for it.
>>48098321
No. Sure we hate each other but that's no realize why we can't act like civilized Mongols. What are we Tau players?
>>48097582
>comparing a Tau suits to Nid MC's, Ork walkers, and IG armor
I'm not even surprised. I've witnessed so much Taufag idiocy over the past couple years, this is exactly what I expect from these retards.
>>48098305
I don't know which are worse
phone posters
vs
"g'day mate put down the boomerang and step away from the barbie"
![Dark_Eldar_Archon_and_Incubi_by_BazNevermore[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gD9tBy3.jpg "Dark_Eldar_Archon_and_Incubi_by_BazNevermore[1].jpg")
So, /40keg/, what's your favorite model that has been axed? Mine are the old incubi. There's nothing wrong with the new ones, really, but these really stuck with me for some reason. The tormentor helm has that corrupted mandiblaster look, male and female models, sleek suits with lots of options to detail, and they really came across as this elite fighting unit rather than "look at how big my sword is." Newcubi are like that Fire Dragons comic, except "a whole path devoted to a single sword."
Also, those "bodyguard incubi" models from the Dias were baller as fuck. So cheesy, yet so perfect.
>>48098417
I want plastic Incubi, too many damn pointu edges for Finecrap to fuck up.
>>48098338
It's weird how defensive they are about it too.
>shitty phone picture of something
>"go away, phone-poster"
>3-7 responses about how I'm a shitty troll and they're just replying to tell me how not unset they are and they hope I'm enjoying my (you)s
>>48098447
>>48098305
>>48098338
Just get this fucking app
![incubi[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eyWvxsa.jpg "incubi[1].jpg")
>>48098438
Do they not do the new incubi in metal anymore?
>>48097810
translation: Im too lazy, stupid, unskilled, and poor to learn to airbrush.
I bet you've never even airbrushed a model you jealous faggot. Post your best work.
>>48098478
>>48098388
>civilized Mongols
Quick, everyone start throat singing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo
>>48098466
All resin finecrap.
