Remember when stuff like this was totally acceptable in (A)D&D? Weird how sexy stuff was still a-ok in the cleaned-up 2nd edition days, but now that we have demons and other "controversial" stuff back, sexy is out.
>>48087254
It actually has more to do with the time periods in question, the 80's and 90's.
Visual aesthetics were different back then.
>>48087254
Remember when the audience was about 1/10th or less of its current size and revenue generation so now one gave a shit about the standards of a cottage industry and it's potential future revenue?
Me too!
To be fair, everyone was naked in Dark Sun.
>>48087628
Dude, roleplaying games sold insanely well in the seventies and eighties compared to now. Then they got their feet cut out by the rise of vidya.
So it's more like "remember when the audience was about ten times what it is now"
>>48087650
IIRC there was this Wizard Lord that had a harem of warrior-women, which is actually what I'd do if I was a Wizard Lord. I don't remember the specifics though.
>>48087628
>he thinks RPGs are more popular now
lol you're fucking stupid.
>>48087254
it was a different time
Why can't a lady adventurer wear a nice metal bikini without being bullied these days, /tg/? What happened to our nice, casual, fun-filled RPG's?
>>48087659
This is not precisely accurate.
They sold about as well as they do now, perhaps just slightly worse.
But just like how our parents could pay for an entire collage degree with one part-time job and conversely we have to go way into fucking debt to do the same and many other financial woes, money went a LOT farther back in the 1980's then it did now so even though sales were perhaps marginally higher at best D&D was actually making more money for it's developers.
Even accounting for inflation for price, the rising costs of developing print media and the costs of distribution of the books mean that basically even successful RPG's even if they sell the exact same amount that D&D did during it's height kind of often manage to break even at best.
That would be why many RPG books you see these days are made El Cheapo, to actually turn some kind of marginal profit.
>>48087720
A better time in most senses.
>>48087744
Because customers now aday see that such things mostly sugar coates bad mechanics or bad systems.
>>48087889
Today bad systems are sugarcoated in shiny photoshop art and hardcover books with high production values instead.
I thought it was more of a problem that RPGs still had too many pointless slutty female pictures.
>>48087254
How the fuck is that weird?
They're two totally unrelated things. Why would the presence of occult shit mean the presence of sexiness?
You just want to make a bait thread.
>>48087839
Your life has to be pretty shit right now for you to think the 80s were better than nowadays.
>>48088049
If you're a faggot, maybe.
>>48088063
>hurr he doesn't want to see naked grils everywhere
>hurr hurr faget
You're a wild animal.
>>48088076
You seem somewhat upset.
>>48088088
Yes.
>>48088088
>You seem somewhat upset.
Genius
>>48088115
It's okay, not all of us can be born with positive blood testosterone levels.
>>48088119
What the fuck is Freddy Mercury then?
>>48088051
>Why would the presence of occult shit mean the presence of sexiness?
virgin sacrifices?
>>48088129
A virgin doesn't have to be sexy and can often have the connotation of being distinctly repulsive.
>>48088162
But why would you want to do that? Hot chicks sell.
>>48088162
no self respecting demon lord would accept such an offering though, they dont get anything out of it other than a perverse joy of seeing something "good" destroyed
>>48088126
Bisexual spermatosaurus
>>48088183
Nowadays, there's nothing more perverse than perverting the belief that "it's what's inside that counts".
Can you think of anything worse than making the ugly, shy, bullied girl, evil?
Or even just ensuring she meets a bad end.
The pure purity damsels are for when people thought good = pretty, not for nowadays.
>>48087254
USA
Violence A-OKAY
Lewdness APEX SIN AGAINST MAN AND COUNTRY
>>48088243
This proves that USA is domain of Khorne
>>48088243
It's funny because in summer you see girls wearing less than this just walking around the street.
I don't know what to say.
I require more visual evidence to compare.
>>48088253
>War on Drugs
Oh dear
>>48088306
Maybe because its just hot
>>48088464
What's your point?
>>48088253
I for one welcome our new Khornate overlords.
>No sexy allowed
>No edge allowed
I don't want to live in this world anymore
>>48088464
Because when it's just hot and you live in otherwise modern society the only thing that might matter outside of aesthetics is a perceived way to be less hot, especially when you might for instance possess modern brands of sun screen etc.
Point being that there may be other factors to consider.
That's my point at least.
Not sure what his point is.
>>48087749
It's also comlaring small 20 or so page booklet sales to 100 page plus hardcover book sales.
As of now, the gaming population is actually more than double what it was in the 80's.
>>48087628
What the fuck are you talking about? Tabletop roleplaying was far bigger 30, 20 years ago than it is now.
I can only assume you're barely 20 yourself and you think the small resurgence in the last 6-8 years is some kind of long term trend.
>>48087910
And kickstarter pitches from california hipsters with foppish fashion sense.
>>48088641
That's just not true. Everything from convention attendees to consumer polls indicates that the community is double what it was thirty years ago.
Who needs armor when you're good?
The only creature I ever played that wore sexy armor was a Celestial. And the armor was mostly cosmetic because he was strong enough to break swords with his muscle.
Pic very related.
>>48089006
Someone who wants to be more good.
>>48087659
In 2001, D&D hit record sales that past the previous peak of 1981. Tabletop sales were shit in the 70s and most of the 80s-90s and more people are playing now than back then.
>>48088641
D&D was in decline until post 2000 after the release of 3.5, and D&D was majority share of the market.
>>48087720
Different planet!
>Load me up in the time machine and send me back Doc
>>48089203
Nigger just because you were a dumbass kid in the eighties and nineties doesn't mean they were better, just that you didn't know shit back then. And also that you have a shit memory.
Nothing you cry about is new.
>>48087659
>the modern RPG player base is 1/10 the size it was in the 1980s
Anon I want you to stop posting for a while and reflect on how retarded your post was.
>>48087659
>>48089373
>no links, just hearsay
>>48087744
Metal Bikinis are dumb where metal is basically normal.
Cloth skimpy tops work in basically any setting.
Stupid question, but aren't metal bikinis terribly uncomfortable?
>>48089203
>health at every size
This is such a fucked up mentality
Those obese women are not a healthy size
>>48089617
some people get off on that
I love the way my chastity belt kinda digs in, it's arousing
>>48087254
You are an idiot manchild.
>>48088207
Honestly, the ugly girl is more likely to be evil than the pretty one. The pretty one will be treated better.
>>48089203
>bikinis for all the bodies
>the fattest chick is still covered uup
>>48090063
You'll like it a lot less once you've been marching, climbing, and fighting in it for a few hours when the sweat makes it catch and chafe your skin bloody.
And even less the next day when it tears the scabs open again and rubs them back into the wounds.
And still less the days after that as your skin turns into a gel-like mass of blood and scabs mashed into paste and oozing puss as infection sets in.
The rule is hard and fast: absolutely no bare metal against the skin, ever.
Far too many people that play are waac faggots that only create warriors or edgy killers and talk about their new abilities or special rules. Their roleplaying is limited to shouting some warcrime while crying ERP if you're a female character or try to play as a charming minstrel. RPG's are only violence escapism for them.
>>48087254
I miss Brom too, he did nice mtg art.
>>48090882
*Warcry
>>48090406
Seems like a self fulfilling prophecy desu.
And being treated preferentially doesn't have to mean that they're going to be good or pure if she realizes that she can get away with significantly more.
>>48089998
Literally nobody buys into their movement besides chubby-chasers, omega males, fat women and people who think they can make a quick buck off their lard asses.
It's literally a movement whose voice only exists on the Internet.
I remember of these days past...
It was before... the triggering...
[cello starts playing]
Isn't everyone half naked on Dark Sun in any edition?
>>48088126
This is what winning an argument looks like.
>>48087676
Back when they weren't afraid to show a wizards intelligence at work.
>>48089006
>That eye
Is she talking anything for her allergies?
>>48087273
>There weren't feminists to cry all day about sexy scantily clad women back then.
FTFY
>>48089998
Healthy at Any Size originally meant something completely different. It originally meant "If you eat right, get enough exercise, and don't have any health issues then it's OK that you don't look like a fitness model". Which is actually good, most people are not going to look like fitness models even if they are in great physical condition. It isn't supposed to mean "I can be as fat as I want and anyone who says otherwise is obviously fatphobic".
>>48090406
the pretty girl is more likely to be callously cruel, because she can get away with it.
The ugly girl is more likely to be vindictively cruel, because she was treated poorly.
>>48092824
>there were no feminists in the 80's and 90's
>>48089309
>>48088058
>"M-muh sentimental old geezer fallacy! MUH UR TOO YOUNG TO JUDGE FALLACY!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYbe-35_BaA
vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8n11y2lxrE
Whatever fags.
>>48092902
>There were no 3rd wave feminists in the 80's and 90's
There, is your autism satisfied now?
>>48092935
Autism is NEVER satisfied
>>48087254
Anon, that's not sexy at all.
She's showing all her skin, and yet, she couldn't lack less sexuality. This is trully a paradox to me. And I fap to everything: I'm That Guy WITH The Magical Realm that everyone doesn't want in their table.
>>48093001
>and yet, she couldn't lack less sexuality
Is your fetish not understanding sentence construction?
>>48092935
3rd wave feminism started in early 90's
>>48092935
well it acknowledges that feminism isn't a single monolithic entity, so yes.
Even now there are sex positive feminists, and other breakdowns.
While there are feminists who are stupid and yell at stupid shit, saying they are all the same is like saying all animal rights activists are PETA.
It's just that feminism doesn't have one group the crazy naturally gravitates to.
>>48093138
But it does allow them to no-true-Scotsman their fucking faces off.
>>48093027
Yes. That and being mocked over the internet. Proceed anon, you are pleasing me greately.
>>48093164
it try to get around it by denying all of them the term 'true' or 'false' (except for proven con artists in the case of false) and add a descriptor(s) on all of them. Like I did with many social movements, and Dave.
But again, it's lot harder than me saying "I'm an SPCA animal-rights activists, not a PETA animal rights activist"
>>48093254
Kevin Ibbs rapes Christine Watson, she just may have conspired for it to happen knowing that he would ignore her under the advice of his wife.
I'm not going to bother looking at em each of the other tiles.
>>48093254
This sort of self policing isn't actually a thing that can happen if there isn't as single organization.
You can call them out on being stupid, and condemn them, but they'll ignore you.
>The nature of any movement is dictated by its most influential movers and shakers
many movements are too disperesed to have single movers, and shakers are just those who shake things up and can't be controlled by disapproval.
The crazies make more noise. Going back to the example. How often do you hear about PETA saying something crazy? How often about the SPCA being reasonable?
And that's a very centralized movement. Where feminism is an extremely de-centralized movement.
>>48087254
Remember when OD&D had a naked woman on a cover?
Remember when AD&D 1e had naked boobs?
Remember when 3.5 had every adventurer covered in belts and pouches?
Remember when OP wasn't retarded?
I hate you blockheaded fuckers who don't understand that mainstream standards change over time. Especially since you just focus on the battle bikinis and not the whole atmosphere (EVERYONE was half-naked in Dark Sun art).
>>48093361
>The crazies make more noise. Going back to the example. How often do you hear about PETA saying something crazy? How often about the SPCA being reasonable?
How often do PETA advocates control college campus?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfzUG70nN6k
How often do PETA advocates dictate national policy?
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/05/10031/
I am wholly ignorant on the matter of PETA and I am not about to go further into them, but pretending that the insanity that is feminism is some innocent cultural quirk whose crazed advocates don't hold significant social power is the height of stupidity.
>many movements are too dispersed to have single movers, and shakers are just those who shake things up and can't be controlled by disapproval
A lack of willingness to self police your movement is functionally identical to supporting the whims of your most extreme members. You can claim that you just "can't do anything," but that hardly stops Christians from condemning the West Boro Baptist church.
I can name precisely one significant feminist author I would ever consider sane: Christina Hoff Summers, but she is not the type of person who influences laws across the nation. She is not the one who shuts down public discourse on mens issues. She is not the one who has caused "rape" on college campuses to extend its meaning to "sex I later decided I didn't want." She does not drive policy, but at the very least, she speaks out against the madness. She is not the face of the movement.
The ones that drive policy are the ones that matter. Crazies drive policy and spread lies, and your allegedly "sane" feminists are the ones who silently allow them to go unopposed.
>>48093254
only read the first one but that's rape. If you're having sex with someone and they go "yo I dont wanna do this anymore" you stop. just because you are about to nut doesn't make it okay to have sex with someone against their will
>>48093582
>Summers
>Sane
lmao
I miss old fantasy art
>>48087254
Anon, it shouldn't matter what people as a whole think, but what your group is okay with.
If your group is fine with plenty of scantily clad warrior women, then go ahead and play it. Be the change you want to be. I'm sure some people would even just enjoy some variety, lack of realism be damned.
>>48093616
>greentext
>shitpost
lmao
>>48093632
And don't think the guys were left out when it came to bikini "armor"
>>48093590
In what situation can you imagine proving in court "Yes I said he could have sex with me, but I said "stop" right before he came so it's rape"
In all honesty there are also neckbeards who get all autistic about "Muh realism" and alt rights who complain about "degeneracy."
Armor shaming isn't just a feminist thing anymore.
>>48093716
REEE LISTEN AND BELIEEEEVE HAVING TO PROVE SOMETHING BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS SEXISM REEEEEEEEE
>>48090974
i guarantee you that postmodern regressive feminists advocate for it
>>48087749
https://www.acaeum.com/library/printrun.html
>>48093796
I don't care if armor is unrealistic, as long as it at least resembles protective gear and not unapologetic fap bait.
>>48088126
A blessing.
>>48093865
If you want to play fap bait just play a wizard who isn't wearing armor anyway
That can at least be played straight faced
>>48093910
That or, I dunno, a barbarian? Which in 5th ed core can have a higher AC bare naked than a figher does in full plate, with no penalties.
......kinda like some of the scantily clad muscle-gods/goddesses that get posted in these sorts of threads all the time.....
It's almost like WotC has been flat out telling us all that cheesecake and beefcake fap-bait are canonically valid character styles in their worlds the whole time. Explicitly even. Like, loudly. Hands waving in the air.
>>48093865
>Lautrec
>not fap bait
>>48093796
>dat ass
>dem thighs
>dat 'fro-bun
Last chance to turn this into an old fantasy art thread.
>>48087254
Since 2nd Edition? Are we just going to forget about The Book of Vile Darkness?
>>48093689
>Armor
This is just a depiction of Icarus though.
Albeit with overly idealized male form and thong.
No element of this is meant to be protective armor and its inevitable failure is hardcoded into the story.
One of those tanned greek motherfuckers is about to fall to his death.
Even if it's by an artist known for the kind of sword and sorcery art mentioned in this thread I don't think your picture fits the subject at hand.
>>48094096
See I agree, as long as its not literally a bikini, that's just stupid.
>>48095099
Thanks for once again sparking an "orc babies" argument.
Am I the only one not attracted to these cheesecake ladies at all? It's not that they're ugly, they just do nothing to me.
Part of me wonders why people have such a problem with someone saying 'my imaginary character wears a chainmail bikini.' For one, how many people even bring that kind of thing up anymore instead of keeping it in their head, and for two, how is it going to bother you if it's not like you're constantly seeing it?
>>48095069
>No female warrior with high natural AC would ever want to secure their boobs and keep dirt out of their vagina while fighting.
>Nobody would ever make a bikini out of metal as jewelry indicating the wearer is a member of the warrior class.
>Magical items can't ever be bikini shaped.
Bikinis and loincloths are a perfect compromise between total nudity and regular clothes. They support the saggy bits and keep naughty bits clean.
>>48095178
>metal
>direct skin contact with sensitive bits
>exposed to hot sun
I get loin cloths, even loincloths with bits of metal added on top. Metal tight against your crotch.
>>48095178
Why can't they wear it over clothes?
Half of the bad fantasy armor out there looks a lot better when you just cover up some more skin, even if it's less metal.
>>48095152
Am I the only one not attracted to these [not real life] ladies at all? It's not that they're ugly, they just do nothing to me.
Part of me wonders why people have such a problem with someone saying '[a character who is drawn on a 2d plane wears revealing clothing].' For one, how many people even bring that kind of thing up anymore instead of keeping it in their head, and for two, how is it going to bother you if it's not like you're constantly seeing it?
>>48095016
Would this better fit your definition of armor
>>48087254
DnD came out in the 80's right? 70'80's fantasy was all about sexy and deadly combined together.
>>48095178
>No female warrior with high natural AC would ever want to secure their boobs and keep dirt out of their vagina while fighting.
There are significantly better and easier ways of doing this
>Nobody would ever make a bikini out of metal as jewelry indicating the wearer is a member of the warrior class.
It's uncomfortable to wear in every circumstance and arguably harmful in most.
Metal and bikinis do not go together.
>>48095353
Yes.
It's actually a scene depicting a sword and sorcery scenario with a male warrior wearing armor.
The other image was of an inventor from greek myth flying with wings made from feathers secured with wax.
>>48095423
>Nobody ever wears metal jewelry against their skin.
>>48095546
Jewelry dangles, though. Even clothing would be much more comfortable just hanging from the shoulders.
>>48095099
I love the mildly annoyed expression on the dragon's face. He's like "Oh jeez, not this shit again."
>>48094880
Stand back, stone-hammer man. You need the right tool to kill a voracious tyrannosaur, like this small knife.
>>48093716
Lawfag here and I can confirm that >>48093797 is indeed a thing that happens. Rape cases often devolve into a "he said she said" style argument, and in the case of a heterosexual pairing of roughly equivalent age, or worse, the man being the older party by any degree, the man will usually get saddled with a prison sentence. Sometimes even if the woman is caught in a lie.
>>48098973
This shit right here is why I refuse to have sex with anyone
>>48099162
Sure it is.
Half naked people going on dungeon crawls and adventures through the wilderness is rad as fuck
You can't just throw it into any setting but if you've got one that plays kinda loose with realism as it is I'd say go for it.
That's how I've always seen it. I wouldn't even attempt to bring it up in a Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings setting but something like Conan sure why not.
>>48095152
some of them are downright potato, but others are really hot
>>48093689
Mnf
>>48099951
You can't just throw it into any setting, but settings which support it are superior.
>>48099864
Okay its only one of the reasons
>>48089006
I hope DE girls have better internal support for their titties than we do, because those are going to be all over the place.
>>48089203
The funny thing is that the picture above still exists. But that wouldn't be convenient enough for you, so gotta have a nice dose of revisionism.
>>48098973
Lawfag here. This is patently false everywhere that isn't the USA.
>>48101702
How is revisionism to state that fat acceptance was not a thing in prior decades?
>>48088162
Virgins are inherently wrapped up with notions of sexiness. So is witch craft, for that matter.
>Forbidden
>Against church and your family
>Fertility rites
>"Giving up" your body and soul to Satan
>People still posting things that aren't classic fantasy art.
>>48090804
Of course the inside would be padded, just like real armor is.
>>48093378
I hate every incarnation of you self-hating, fundamentalist puritan fucks who advocate violence and shame anything remotely sexual. You're a plague. You come in the name of everything from God to equality and your only purpose in life is to shit up everyone else's enjoyment of life.
Eat. My. Shit. You. Fucking. Dog.
>>48094880
Red Nails, right? classic
>>48087749
>conversely we have to go way into fucking debt to do the same
State University.
>>48090804
That sounds hot senpai
>>48098429
he's so derpy it's adorkable :3
>>48093796
Hold the phone, how is he supposed to draw that sword?
The way I like to do it when (that's more of an if) I use skimpy armor is doing it the way Howard did it in his pulp fantasy. Many other authors used this method as well, and it's a shame it's been mostly forgotten:
The character starts out in their story or campaign sensibly dressed or armored. They don't dress any different from anyone else in their setting. Then through a series of mishaps they lose their clothes/armor in the adventure and are forced to adopt an exotic, skimpy outfit, either because nothing else is available, because they want to blend in with some weird exotic culture or because the new outfit is magical or vaulable. Basically the archetypal story for it is Red Nails, where both Conan and Valeria start the story normally dressed and end up half naked. It adds a bit of a twist and is much more interesting than "everyone goes around half-nude by default" to me. You get to have the character react to it, either with dislike or like. You can even get some comedy out of it.
>>48099951
>I wouldn't even attempt to bring it up in a Game of Thrones
>literally never went to Essos
The entire continent is lousy with Conan shit, Anon.
>>48092382
Not half naked,they are just wearing their BDSM gear
>>48092864
Pretty much yeah. The "ideal" body is actually kind of unhealthy for the majority of folks; look up the "This is a guy who lifts weights vs this is the guy who wrestles bears" thing.
>>48103756
Someone's mad.
>>48105009
Now just add in some bondage and slavery and magic mind control and I think we're 3/3 on softcore oldschool magical realms.
>>48092873
I just wanted to say this point was way more insightful than I at first realized.
>>48088243
Nice false dichotomy there
I could just as easily say
>USA
>where a schoolyard fight is "deeply concerning" and results in both kids getting suspended and/or medicated
>where a young girl engaging in group sex is "just exploring her sexuality"
USA is a big old place. It's not all Alabama. Or San Francisco.
>>48103756
That not everyone is a hormonal teen who demands to see tits everywhere doesn't mean those people are puritanical or self-hating
>>48087744
Because rpg neckbeards became the biggest group of white knights in geekdom around.
Just look at RPG.net. The biggest forum for this shit and they dismiss new books because page 251 has a chick showing some cleavage.
>>48109736
>>where a young girl engaging in group sex is "just exploring her sexuality"
>>48102421
>this was used for the cover of sword and sorcery novel with a female protagonist
>the cover actually sexualizes her less than the story
>>48087254
That's because it's stupid. The sexy was only there in the first place as fanservice, we're more interested in believability nowadays. Why the fuck would all the female adventurers and such be dressed in swimsuits? Would you be dressed in a metal bikini if you were a female adventurer? Why?
Guys opt to wear more than fur loincloths now too, does that bother you?
>>48109736
It's not a false dichotomy nor a dichotomy of any kind. They're too parallel features of American society, not opposing forces or mutually exclusive options.
Furthermore, it's entirely true. America, by and large, condones violence more than sex, and condemns sex more than violence.
>>48112073
Name of the story?
We need to make people who don't want to be sexy feel like huge dorks instead of the slobs they are. Making sexy mainstream cool is the only way to have it back.
>>48114836
>shoving cloth in your ass crack to soak up all the fart and sweat
>not doing this makes you a slob
ok buddy
>>48087254
>remember when this stuff was totally acceptable
No, I don't remember either. The moral outrages and panics came from different sources in the 80s and 90s, usually from parents and concerned religious groups (and sometimes opportunistic lawyers), but they were still there. All that's changed nowadays is that the moral panics no longer come from religious sources alone.
>>48115076
It's called posing, you dork. Posing exerts power and sexyness.
>>48114836
LISA
L Y O N
>>48115132
I agree with you in general but the christfag outrage over D&D wasn't about sexyness, it was about demons and magic
>>48115241
Hey /tg/. Weird challenge for you.
Assuming you have a female character and no cloth is available, but you have a very minimal amount of metal to work with. Say, 25% or less of what's needed for proper coverage. Where would you place said armor?
>>48115177
No, that's not a satisfactory explanation. You can pose in any kind of clothes, shoving your clothes up into your ass crack is a separate decision.
You know, it occurs that, if you lived in the D&D world. you'd probably assume anyone half naked was an absurdly powerful sorceress. I bet the prostitutes cover themselves in burkas or someshit, just to make sure they don't scare away the men.
>>48115210
That didn't make the "sexiness" any more acceptable. It made the allegations of youth corruption even more compelling - demon worship, violence, and deviant sexuality all go together in one package.
>>48087254
Yeah. We lost that element when tabletop was colonized by a plethora of bored LA majors and failed Green Party activists who more often than not don't even play the games they're constantly complaining about. Most of the neckbeard old guard "reinvented" themselves as white knights in a desperate attempt to get laid, and as a result the hobby is now a stiffled mess where everything written in a sourcebook is ruthlessly scrutinized by some chump with a gender studies degree. To a lesser extent this can be observed in fantasy and science fiction literature as well, with this cultural trend expanding into horror and even adventure fiction.
Resulting in scared authors forced to play to the whims of the "socially conscious" crowd or face a PR nightmare. Why do these bored "SJWs" do it? Well some would say they're brainwashed but I have another theory. When I was a kid and frequented fanfiction.net, I couldn't write worth a damn so I would "suggest" to the authors in the comment section what to write, and would frequently get upset when they ignored my shitty ideas. What we're looking at is a adult variation of that behavior, except it's not shitty horrible fanfics they're ruining but actual fiction.
Anyway in my settings, the women are all attractive and busty. I like my women attractive and nice, instead of purple haired quarter pounders pissed off men find them abhorrent. Or the equally abhorrent mentally ill people who WANT to be women.
>>48115563
I was with you until your final paragraph. Then it got weird.
>>48115473
Yeah, it lets people get a better look at your ass and you show more skin. That's great!
Also, unless you're a filthy slob you wash your gym clothes after you're done doing gym stuff, because you're not a filthy animal.
>>48115604
Weird? Oh for the love of god, even SAYING I like attractive women is offensive. Really shows how downhill this hobby is. Well, enjoy your asshurt feminists and angry people with bodily rejection disorder.
>>48087254
>tfw there aren't more artists like Alex Horley who are heavily inspired by the works of Frazetta and produce high-quality material that captures the essence of classic fantasy art
>>48115712
No, I more meant making every woman in your setting attractive, which is a weird houserule, and then the weird detour to trans people.
At least now Warhammer is getting female models showing some skin that doesn't look like dragqueens. There is still hope.
>>48115972
I think he is just saying that it's just how everyone in movies are pretty looking.
>>48116041
Well, alright then. This is /tg/, so when he said all the women in his setting were attractive, I assumed he literally made California from Last Action Hero. Which, come to think of it, might be pretty boss.
>>48116063
This is the stuff that gets me. Like, why is it so hard for society to get it through its head that sexuality isn't demeaning? She looks like she's a sculpted statue of beauty and death. In my opinion, sexualizing something is pretty much inherently additive, unless it's being specifically reductive.
Where are these men looking at a hot woman and saying "Wow, she's hot, she must be worth less because I'm attracted to her."
>>48116171
Right here.
To me, sexual attractiveness and shamefulness are equivalent and imply each other.
It's degrading to be sexually attractive and being degraded is hot.
>>48088162
The whole point of a virgin sacrifice being a virgin comes from the biblical tradition of sacrifices being (physically) pure and unspoiled. While a fa/tg/uy neckbeard may be a chaste virgin, he is not pure and unspoiled enough to be sacrificed
>>48116171
Sex is a form of power because reproduction is the endgoal of all lifeforms and people generally wants to control power for different reasons. Some people are just assholes about it and they don't know why they are assholes about it.
>>48116221
That sounds more like your fetish than your literal opinion of people. Do you actually being sexually nondescript is empowering? If so... are you a fan of burkas?
>>48115261
>this is an image I uploaded
>I can tell because the filename is misspelled
wew
Sexy is fine and all, but what of the people who wanted something else in AD&D?
>>48116460
Just make your own AD&D. People wanting specific aspects is why Pathfinder is a thing. I would love to play in H.R. Giger's magical DnD realm, but I don't want to transform DnD into that realm.
>>48116460
Then they could play a character that wasn't especially sexy and have art of their character made up. The default being nice to look at doesn't prevent you from doing that.
>>48087254
You can still do that.
Just remember that women and gays play D&D now so you gotta make the dudes sexy, too.
>>48116509
Whoa there, sir. That's a nipple right there. I'm suddenly extremely offended. If you're going to have an alien woman sucking a steel tube with a collar around her neck, you better make sure that nip don't slip.
>>48087254
>remember when you played and/or gave a fuck about D&D?
Not really, no.
>>48116537
I thought nips was fine on /tg/ as long as it's not straight up porn images.
>>48116526
You know, that reminds me. The whole point of D&D back in the day was living out a hero fantasy. The characters were meant to be straight out of Michelangelo's worskshop because that's how they were portrayed in the mythos many of the artists were drawing from. Guys should look like jerkoff fantasies, as well, and did, even if it was mostly gay men who were into them.
>>48116565
From what I understand, artistic nudity is allowed, but that same image from a porn comic would get you banned.
Of course, Geiger's work is a lot more explicit than most porn.
>>48116626
But it's also surealism art made to evoke thoughts more often than boners.
On the state of modern fantasy art. I wanna know why guys don't show of legs anymore. Muscular legs are attractive. It's why we have legday.
>>48116515
>The default being nice to look at doesn't prevent you from doing that.
But it does just that.
>>48116734
The default look of the people in the player's guide and monster manual, I mean. It's not like the game explicitly states that the game takes place in California.
>>48116695
Oh no, I agree with you on Geiger's work. I mean, it gives me all the boners, but it also makes me think 5 to 10 minutes later.
>>48104943
With a pen and ink
>>48087744
>tfw no muscular warrior woman to submit to and be ravished by
>>48090930
>And being treated preferentially doesn't have to mean that they're going to be good or pure if she realizes that she can get away with significantly more.
A naturally good person won't take advantage of that, but they might be driven to evil if everyone treats them like shit. Meanwhile, a naturally evil person will be evil no matter what. Being pretty and being treated well is still the safest option.
>>48093001
If you fap to everything, yet fail to see the appeal of a powerfully-built, winged warrior woman in skimpy clothing, I don't know what to say.
>>48087676
The creators inspired themselves in the Dahomey Amazons. A black king once decided to roll his royal guard and his harem into one.
>>48093138
>sex positive feminists
Just because they call themselves "sex positive" doesn't mean they are.
Videogames ruined everything.
>>48117114
"Pro-porn" doesn't have the same ring to it.
>>48116794
>Oh no, I agree with you on Geiger's work. I mean, it gives me all the boners, but it also makes me think 5 to 10 minutes later.
I go in the opposite order. I take in all the detailes before the boners truly begins.
>>48117150
Videogames and the LOTR movies made fantasy go mainstream. While that would be good from a financial perspective, the mainstream also has a weird attitude when it comes to sex and moral.
>>48104943
With his hand?
It might be different from normal, but it's still possible. I think the Romans carried their swords on the right-hand side as well.
>>48087254
As opposed to just being cold? Seriously, above a certain point your nips and toes will fall off. I mean I like cheese and 80's art, but the moment a piece of art crosses a temperature threshold my first thought is 'damn this looks chilly.' Saying nothing of the other elements. Sure no clothes in the desert sounds good until a strong gust or a misplaced step will fill your loincloth with sand, where a decent light skirt or trousers would help.
>>48115286
Scale the metal around the neck, chest and wrists, a helmet if there's enough left, then go out and get leather for everything else.
>>48105009
To me, that comes across more like "I want skimpy clothes but don't want people to think I'm a pervert, so I'll make up an excuse."
>>48117237
Isn't the chest mostly already protected by the ribcage? How much of a weakpoint are the breasts in combat? Like, is a cut boob going to bleed out, or are there not many major arteries?
>>48117291
Nah, it's more like the chest is just a big target, and a proper set of chest protection will enable proper use of bow equipment, which is arguably the most important piece of equipment if your fighting a bunch of dudes. Ever had your tit caught in a bow shot? Hurts like a bitch if those are big enough.
>>48117237
I think this is part of it, too. There's a much bigger move towards realism in fantasy as of late, away from pulp, so people are more likely to complain about "that looks cold" or "his stomach being exposed defeats the whole purpose of armor" when originally it was just supposed to look nice.
As an example, you see lots of art like this in more weeby games, which I'd argue isn't actually because they're all perverts, and at least partially because anime never really left pulp. Exalted and such are largely about style as much as substance.
>>48115998
>those mammoth thighs
>whole heap of guady shit
>fucking wings and a crown that covers the adams apple
She looks exactly like a drag queen, she's also noticeably taller and broader than every female model currently availableGonna paint mine brown though.
>>48087254
>>48087254
>>48087254
yep, that was before postmodernists got a foothold in america tho. now we have an alliance of religious right wingers, and postmodern regressive leftists that hate the human body because it makes them feel guilty/inadequate.
fantasy and sci fi used to be a celebration of the human body, and achievement like classical renaissance sculpture. now it more like modern art, worshipping the depraved, ugly, and scatological
fortunately, the regressive left and religous right are on the retreat, and 4chan is on the front lines to reconquer our hobby.
>>48117474
Something something shoes are nice.
>>48117412
I think part of it is that people are sick of seeing and hearing bullshit with little thought put into it. So they want the "real" version of something, even thought what might look realistic is also a form of bullshit.
>>48117515
Isn't that called "becoming jaded"?
>>48117449
Yes, but she doesn't have a man face like most of GW's female minis. Also, there is nothing wrong with thick thighs when you're a life godess.
>>48117449
I kinda like the mammoth thighs.
>>48117513
something something, heroes dont need shoes, because they are not people. they are symbols
>>48117539
People are jaded on a large level today. Many people are disapointed by the world after being fed too many romantic fantasies in their youth. Many are increasingly anti-establishment that bullshits a lot. I know that every time there's an election year, I wish that I could just leave my country to avoid the torrents of bullshit being spewed out by the eatablisment and I'm not fiercly anti-establishment.
It's enough to make anyone jaded given time.
>>48117597
Look at his teeny weeny penis.
>>48117603
But doesn't it warm your heart this Fourth of July that both the presumptive candidates for our highest office are under criminal investigation?
>>48117624
It's a feminine penis.
>>48117515
Well the issue is you can do realistic with cheese, you just need to do it properly and not do cheese for the sake of cheese. Spartans had everyone running military drills and sports practice ass naked, Fringe Kimba Congolese Tribesmen followed stringent beliefs that the body had a separate spirit and needed to be maintained vigorously, while many Celtic tribes considered clothes to be a sign of cravenness in battle and were anal as shit about caring for mustaches and hair.
It can be done, but it can't just be cheese for the sake of cheese.
>>48117597
That's all well and good until the brave symbol is defeated by an asshole with some caltrops.
>>48117624
Well remember that David as a statue is meant to be imposing from the ground level, but when you look at his face you realize he's nervous as shit that he's going up against Goliath, who can literally pick him up and toss him like a hammer.
>>48117539
>>48117603
Maybe like fashion, tastes change over time and it has less to do with being jaded or political correctness.
>>48117635
I don't know about that. I'm Swedish and I mostly despise all politicians I see because they are professional bullshitters. I don't think that I would enjoy any elction year no matter what country I would be from.
>>48117635
Land of the free to make bad decisions.
In mainstream culture edgy demons and emo shit is in and anything remotely sexist is out. Does this really surprise you OP?
>>48117660
That's the thing, though. Why precisely does it matter that the visual appearance is unrealistic if its purpose is to present a person a certain way visually? Honestly, explanations like "she wears less armor so she can move faster" are silly not just because they're ludicrous, but because they're an apology for something that never needed explanation in the first place.
>>48117660
>That's all well and good until the brave symbol is defeated by an asshole with some caltrops.
Traveling boots won't stop caltrops anon.
>>48117688
God I love Simon Bisley
What passes for sexy sure makes for shitty art
>>48117714
No, but a plated sole will.
>>48117711
I disagree, a visual style needs background to it, iron age, bronze age, far future. Visual style and background are linked. What we might consider 'unrealistic' be it nude warriors or a society that obsessively peruses physical perfection can be made perfectly justifiable in the setting it exists in, allowing an artist or writer to present anything, but it requires a setting for it to be born from. This doesn't just apply to cheese but other things that are often less looked at, weaponry, trade, traditions, culture. You can make anything work, as long as you can convince the reader, player, whatever may have you to suspend their disbelief.
>>48117515
I like her nipple shields
>>48117830
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
