>>48080015
I like it; I hate it when people break my toys and this is a bargain trade.
>>48080015
>No more core sets
>Only reprints they do are of random cards people forgot about
Turn Aside should be pretty good though, it counters Dromoka's Command as long as they chose the fight option and any sort of 1 to 1 removal spell.
>>48080015
Hey, it's Rebuff the Wicked!
Thinking of getting back in playing Standard. Is B/G Delirium a thing in Standard or should I just netdeck a winning deck and call it a day?
>>48080330
>Thinking of getting back in playing Standard. Is B/G Delirium a thing in Standard or should I just netdeck a winning deck and call it a day?
From everything I've seen, it's definitely not a strong deck and I'd just netdeck something. Wait until the rest of the set is spoiled though!
I have a feeling it will get better with Kaladesh and the rest of the set getting revealed as right now it's sort of difficult to achieve Delirium.
Art from unknown card.
Full art of Tamiyo's new card.
>>48080869
O'ring?
>There are tides beyond those in the sea that are driven by Innistrad's silver moon.
Soon to be driven by Emrakul.
>>48080380
Buy a Delirium deck for casual because it 's pretty fun
See this post
being a scrub is pain
>>48080881
That book isn't even resting in her palm she must have the strongest fucking fingers to read like that
>Burn players crying in the distance
>>48081024
It's floating.
>>48080015
Nice, a Scars reprint.
Phyrexia becoming relevant again when.
>>48080881
What. Are those white flaps her ears?
>>48081024
Tamiyo's never had time to actually hold the things she reads or writes in.
>>48080015
Turn Aside had no use when SoM was standard. I really doubt it will now.
>>48081106
Hopefully after the steampunk shit.
>>48080869
>>48080881
What the fuck is happening with her hair anyway? The second picture almost look like hairy horns instead of ridiculous buns.
>>48081106
Never. I hope it stays dead.
>>48081111
Yes. She's a bunny-folk from... I think Kamigawa.
>>48081111
She's a moonfolk, they have those things
>>48081137
>Phyrexia
>staying dead
>>48081143
Yeah, that.
Drummed up from the rabbit on the moon Japanese folktale, but for all intents and purposes, they're god damn aliens.
>>48081129
Hair? What the fuck is wrong with her right hand?!
>>48081200
>>48081200
She's crossing her middle fingers for some reason.
You might not notice that her arm twists so that her palm is open towards the viewer.
>>48081087
But it's still in her fucking hands
That's like buying one of those balloons with helium in them then manually holding it in the air anyway.
>>48081295
Or she's beginning to grasp it so as to bring it closer/to the center of her vision.
>>48081269
she a real hood bitch
>>48081295
She's just holding it steady to read it.
>>48081137
>not wanting best villains lore-wise with best art design and one of the best sets in modern history game-wise to come back
You might just be retarded.
>>48080015
Could this possibly be the best counterspell ever vs targetted removal?
>>48081616
It's a shitty reprint that has never seen constructed play. Even when it was a white card, it wasn't used. Please stop.
>>48080015
Wasn't playable first time it was printed, isn't playable now.
>>48080910
O ring won't be reprinted in standard sets because the linked abilities are "too confusing" aka "people are abusing our rules to exile things forever with it and we don't like that"
Looks like it's a lifegain or protection spell. She looks too happy for it to be removal.
>>48081642
This isn't true. It's seen a fair amount of constructed play in the right decks. It's a little bit fringe tech and not "the best ever" anything but it's not garbage.
>>48081666
I get the feeling it might be a mass bounce spell. I dunno why though.
>>48081552
Everything you just said can be said about eldrazi. You're just romanticizing a equally shit set.
>>48080881
her face reminds me of julia
>>48081823
I get the feeling it's a "Return X target permanents you control to your hand. Each opponent returns X permanents to their hands. Instant (X)UU
>>48080125
Rebuff also counters spells that target you
>>48082286
>Eldrazi
>Good lore wise
Post yfw the new Liliana is6 mana.
>>48082412
>Phyrexians
>Not Eldrazi Beta version Eldrazi
>>48081393
>>48081269
WHERE DA HOOD WHERE DA HOOD WHERE DA HOOD AT
>>48082395
>>48081022
I think it means the leylines.
![173[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CBhmOke.jpg "173[1].jpg")
>>48082395
You're thinking of a different spell.
>>48081137
Karn left black oil on multiple worlds. We will be seeing them again.YFW the only way to stop Phyrexia is an Eldrazi destroying the plane they are on
>>48082616
It's pretty obvious that sealing Emrakul in the moon isn't going to render her completely harmless. The Eldrazi were able to exert some influence on Zendikar even in Ugin's trap, which was built long in advance for the express purpose of holding them, instead of the last minute moonvault plan.
![[blood moon intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VMwsXwh.jpg "[blood moon intensifies].jpg")
>>48080881
>right foot on left leg
>>48082654
Man that'd be something to see.Which is exactly why its never gonna happen{spoiler]
>>48082654
As long as they don't reinvent planar portals, you mean.
>>48082476
Posting mfw Liliana is2 mana.
>>48080869
I want to believe this is her using one of her Uber Scrolls to fix the angels, help me believe /tg/...
>>48082800
She's not human, her toe structure might be entirely different.
>>48082886
Shit, sauce?
>>48082892
If she had, we'd probably know about it by now. People already have the spoilers laid out from the artbook.
>>48082886
Sauce?
>>48082957
pls
I want to hope.
>>48082800
>>48082902
Wow, does she have bunny hooves or what?
>>48082654
>WotC bringing back good overarching stories.
>WotC revisiting something pre-modern.
If anything we'll get a flat, shitty nostalgia cash grab called Phyrexian Masters or something that will make all the good stories bad and be filled with terrible cards that are all +2-+4cmc, no rule abuse whatsoever, reprints.
I want the phyrexians to come back as much as anyone else but after the past 5+ years track record of garbage tier jacestice league fights, le big monstars, and da evil peoples vs da gud ones in a random themed plane, i'm probably be more angry than happy if any for a return to dominaria idea.
>>48082800
>rabbits have trapezoid looking toe'd feet
>the band is going between the middle toes
>>48082857
Didn't their planar portals require exorbitant amounts of power? Phyrexia could only use them every few hundred years or something.
>>48082985
Pretty sure those are just socks and sandles man
>>48083002
There are 5 mana suns on Mirrodin to use
>>48082949
>>48082971
Sorry, no sauce.
![434797987_6282eb3904_b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ElCrPUj.jpg "434797987_6282eb3904_b[1].jpg")
>>48082985
>>48082996
Rabbits have four toes on their back feet.
>>48083016
Are you also pretty sure she has a big toe where her pinky should be?
>>48083066
Her original artwork's feet look like they could easily be shaped like >>48083046 The new artwork is a little sketchier, but I think it's more likely just a mistake that it's lopsided.
>>48082985
Japanese socks.
>>48082291
>TamTam
>with Julia-san boobs
U N F
N
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>>48082886
Just like Tibalt!
>>48083261
Who?
![161[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aspu5Cm.jpg "161[1].jpg")
>>48083702
The only two-mana walker in the game. Guess how much he tore up tournaments.
>>48083743
I think he mostly lost out due to 'random' being in that first line.
I think an effective 2 mana planeswalker would need to be multicolor so they could push them a bit harder, and have a + that actually protects them so they can last long enough to do something.
>>48083261
Tibalt just had a terrible design, it's perfectly possible to make a balanced two-drop walker. Unfortunately, knowing Wizards it's more likely that they'd either make it shitty again or broken.
>>48083835
According to Wizards, a walker HAS to be that shitty to be two mana. So they're not going to be making another two mana walker again (unless it's shitty), thus why a two-mana Liliana would not give the person the face indicated.
>>48083871
Oh I'm not saying they will make it a two-drop. Maro's excuse for Tibalt was that it's too hard to make a planeswalker with the power level they think it's right at that mana cost, but it's actually because they don't give a fuck about testing cards thoroughly for constructed purposes, so they are afraid of making something too broken.
>>48082949
>>48082971http://hentai2read.com/one_night_stand_with_a/
>>48083988
Oh, they DO give a fuck about testing cards thoroughly for constructed purposes (at least, for standard), they just have about as much manpower to do enough testing as gets done in the first week of the set's release. And so they've decided to play thing's really safe, and thus fuck things up constantly when something they didn't think about rampages through the format.
It's Modern/Legacy/Vintage that they don't bother testing, because they can barely test draft/standard as it is.
>>48083814
Discarding at random is fucking awful. There's a reason Hymn is considered the best discard forcing card.
>>48083814
I don't know, I feel that 2 mana is low enough that you can expect a walker like that to survive sometimes just because your opponents won't have anything to kill them yet.
Really what a 2-mana walker would have to do in order to be useful is.... anything. If any deck can get some sort of value out of them every turn, or maybe even every other turn, then it would probably be a pretty good card.
As opposed to tibalt, where you get a Storm Seeker every five turns or an insurrection every seven.
>>48084081
Testing for a single format isn't exactly what I had in mind when I said thoroughly. Especially when it comes to a fast rotating format like Standard, which means mistakes aren't as lasting as in the case of eternal formats.
Also, speaking of manpower, I always wondered what is so difficult about getting a couple of neckbeards in a room, order some pizzas, and leave them to grind with the next 7 years of sets in week.
>>48083743
tbf poe's law.
>>48082892
Jesus christ those tits are too good for a magic character
>>48082892
Someone needs to commission him to do better MTG characters.
>>48084180
Standard is rotating so quickly the format might as well not even exist, it's a waste of time to try speculating about it.
>>48081552
>wanting Phyrexia to be ruined by modern magic
>wanting to see the Jacetice League destroy them in a single block
Also, reminder that the Jacetice League will be the focus of every block from now on, directly from MaRo.
>>48084211
>better MTG characters
Avacyn is one of the better ones, anon. Who did you have in mind?
>>48084180
There's also the fact that the sets are constantly in flux during said testing, and they're editing and testing multiple sets at once during that period
>>48084155
Just give them only minus and zero abilities. Liliana could be something like
0: Target creature gets -1/-1
-1: Put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield
-2: Target opponent discards a card at random
Loyalty 3
>>48084242
We're going to be stuck with these 5 for the foreseeable future. There goes any chance for variety in monocolored Planeswalkers from now on.
>>48084343
>repeatable creature removal for two mana
no lad
>>48084387
I wouldn't necessarily mind that if it means we'll get some fresh blood in the multicoloured walkers. I mean, it's a problem, but it does mean I won't have to wait as long for another R/W walker, or a G/W one that's a new character.
>>48083743
>remove text that says random card
>allow -4 to hit creatures
>suddenly you have a decent-ish 2 mana walker that might be worth playing
Put me in Wizards! I'm ready coach!
>>48084391
Gotta kill all those plants somehow.
Although you could switch the -1 with it.
>>48084242
>literally stapling all the magic lore to Jace and his dickhead friends from now on
>>48084453
there's nothing wrong with that
>>48084470
Yes there is
>>48084453
Tezzeret should be the main character tbqh
>>48084498
elaborate
Are we ever going back to non-planeswalkers as the main characters?
>>48084572
Not before Hollywood goes back to non-capeshit movies.
>>48082698
The Helvault completely nullfied the influence of everything put inside it, even Avacyn.
>>48084594
Presumably, nothing in there was anywhere near Emrakul's level, so thats not a sure thing.
>>48084534
I feel like it creatively limits the entire world they established arbitrarily
We can't have a set now where it's a completely foreign and unique idea because we will always have the Scooby Doo gang around to make it feel familiar and tired.
We can't have sets and stories anymore that don't even involve planeswalkers (wow what an idea)
I also think it limits what kind of stories you can even have. If the last 2 blocks are anything to go off of it's just gonna be
>it's a problem set
>planeswalkers solve it set
Perhaps the idea could work if executed better but they also seem like they never wanna get rid of any walkers so we are just gonna be stuck with the same Jacestice league for a long time. Except with a celebrity guest planeswalker that'll show up and probably join the Gatewatch and help solve whatever problem they are having.
>>48080869
>tamiyo don't give a fuck
>>48084630
Avacyn was AT Emrakul's level. She kept magical influence flowing through the entire plane down to the presence of small metal objects being carried in pockets in the darkest corners of vampire territory. There's a reason she was the human religion for thousands of years.
>>48084522
My nigga
>>48084662
no she wasn't
she was an incredibly powerful Man Construct, but she was no Titan.
hell Nahiri effortlessly beat her into the dirt.
>>48084244
Elspeth, Jaya, Plague Witch.
>>48084728
Yeah, alright. Solid list.
>>48084642
the "last two blocks" were originally the same block in development, fucktard.
>>48084708
In terms of influence on the plane.
Affects emotional and mental states? Check.
Warps physical objects regardless of her proximity? Check.
Changes biological makeup of creatures by virtue of presence? Check.
I know this is pointless because you fucking COCKSUCKERS are just going to run off autistically with your head canon now.
>>48084418
I don't mind most of the current members of the Gatewatch (Jace, Chandra, and Liliana) and I'm partial to Nissa, but I find Gideon to be extremely bland and boring compared to Ajani and Elspeth who I found to be far more developed as characters.
>>48080869
What's it like to have a waifu /tg/? Is this feeling that I'm feeling it?
>>48084751
Oh geez I guess that makes it better then
>>48084642
With how popular planeswalkers are, we weren't going to get sets that don't involve planeswalkers and you know that.
But what you say is true - now we can't get a set where the main characters are some legendary and say, I dunno, some planeswalker from the plane (because they're going to make a walker be important, but they can be the sidekick instead of the main character), and the other walkers are just Happen To Be There types who are only tangently involved with things rather than the driving forces.
Fuck, they had Theros Mk II set up to involve Elspeth, Ajani, Dack, and Ashiok, and now it's going to HAVE to have Gideon or something to completely fuck over the whole Hero's Journey they kept harping on that Elspeth's only halfway through. And he's going to be the main character instead of Elspeth, of course.
>>48084754
this is only because Avacyn is the crux of faith magic.
if everyone believed in anything else, it would be thusly empowered, so long as the being was capable of channeling the mana/faith.
>>48084820
Yeah, I know, fuck off, cocksucker, no one cares about your fucking headcanon, fuck you.
>>48084781
not likely, Elspeth is more popular than Gideon is, and WIzards knows it.
>>48081111
Yes.She folds them over the top of her head.
>>48084769
I mostly agree with you, barring Chandra who I rather despise, and Liliana, who I much prefer as a villain. The thing about Gideon is that he used to be far better, back when he had an air of authority and age about him. I always had him pictured as the veteran soldier of the planeswalkers and now he just really isn't after the piles of retconning and efforts to make him appeal to the younger demographics or whatever. Gideon as he is on OG Gideon Jura is probably my favourite, but that character is long gone.
Ajani and Elspeth's bit on Theros was an example of a plot that involved Planeswalkers that I really liked, and if stories had kept to that level of quality I'd be far more on board with this sort of thing. So far though, it's been generic Super Heroes vs. Aliens from Zendikar and 'Why the Mending was a good thing and why Nahiri and Sorin are terrible people: The Set' of Innistrad. Neither of those are appealing.
Theros was a nuanced plot about the implications of Planeswalkers in the Multiverse and that's why it worked, but it can't work every time. We'll never get an Agrus Kos-type plot again thanks to this approach, and that's a shame.
tl;dr It's not the people that make up the Gatewatch that are the problem, it's MaRo masturbating over the Oath as a whole.
>>48081111
All the Soratami have big "ears" like that.
>>48084846
Oh yes, they totally know that.
And that's why they decided that Gideon was from the first plane Elspeth walked to. And his first walk was to the plane Elspeth called home until shit went crazy. And then they decided that he needed to have the kind of abilities she gets when they made his newest card (plus his usual IMMA BE A CRITTER thing)
Yes, they definitely know Elspeth is more popular.
>>48084878
>gideon used to be a tough motherfucker that ravaged creature cards
>now he's castrated token machine #15
What went wrong?
>>48083066
>criticizes art
>doesn't know how mirrors work
>>48084878
Liliana was never ever the villian, in anything.
she has always been a Femme-Fatale, sure she'll betray Jace, but she'll feel like shit about it for a bit and try and win him back.
>>48084700
All this shit could have been so much more interesting if it was about Tezzeret restoring the Infinite Consortium and travelling the multiverse to find rare items for their clients.
>>48085009
Would 'taking a villainous role' have been better phrasing for you?
>>48084952
it was literally apart of his fucking story arc on Zendikar.
it was told to him, flat out that he was an excellent fucking fighter, but a shitty commander, so he learned how to command.
this is why Gideon, Ally of zendikar is a "commander" card, it makes guys, it makes guys bigger, and it leads the charge.
>>48085020
no because it would still be wrong.
she's just the Femme-Fatale, not even the evil side of it, she never does anything too overtly evil, and almost always supports Jace more than hurts him.
>>48085049
...she had everyone Jace knew murdered so he'd think it was Tezzeret doing so, so that he'd tell her some information about the Infinite Consortium so she could give that to Bolas and get out of owing Bolas anything. Exactly one person survived, and that's because Jace was with them at the time.
She then said he forced her to do this.
>>48085009
>Liliana was never ever the villian
aside from all the bad stuff she did to get the veil
and all the bad stuff she did after getting the veil
and the bad stuff she's doing to keep the veil
she's just never had a full set dedicated to her shenanigans
>>48085096
because he did actually force her to do this.
she does very bad things, but isn't a villian, you do know the difference right?
going to tell me how Umezawa was the "villian" because he'd murder a fucker?
Liliana is the Vegeta of the group, she'll kill people but most of the time, she's doing it for some reason that doesn't fully clash with the protag's.
>>48085120
what the Garruk shit?
he openly and brazenly tried to murder her twice, and finally she cursed his ass.
all because she killed some pig-wolf thing that tried to kill her.
she isn't a Hero, but she isn't a villian either.
you fucks are the most black and white bitches i've ever seen.
>>48080085
>forgot about
>Scars of Mirrodin
Some people have really bad memory.
>>48085145
>what the Garruk shit?
no, the other shit
The first thing she did when getting the veil is conquer some unknown kingdom to test out its power.
>>48085201
this doesn't make her an antagonist.
just makes her evil/ moral-less.
you faggots cannot differentiate from this, because your idiots who play D&D too much.
>>48085221
Antagonist =/= villain you cocksucker.
For someone who is seemingly being incredibly anal retentive about the distinction between evil/villain you sure are bad at understanding basic words and their meanings.
>>48085128
How did he force her to do that?
>>48085221
>just makes her evil/ moral-less.
you might even say.. VILLAINOUS
Remainder that Liliana Vess is an anagram for "A Villainess"
>>48085251
she's a gud gurl, she dindu nuffin wrong
she's going to gatewatch and getting her life 2gether
>>48080869
I hope it's something eternal useful even if only in commander.
I'm tired of all my favourite arts being limited junk.
>>48084999
No matter which angle you look at a foot in a mirror, it won't move the big toe the the outward facing side of the foot. Just look at the rest of the leg/body.
>>48083743
>He was $40 on release
>Get one normal and one foil on pre-release
>Trade for playsets or Tiago and Liliana, hear they guy I traded saying he had fooled a tool for them.
I love Tibalt.
>>48084242
Give them their fucking movie already so they are put so far behind in debt they have to stop couring Hollywood/Tumblr and need all the neetbucks to survive.
>>48085646
I killed 4 people with Tibalt during standard. I am so damn proud of it.
>>48085686
Fucking this
>>48084878
>>48084910
Elspeth is far more popular, but they needed Jace and don't have a walker on the other colors that could fit Hollywood's dictate for a young character that exalts the american military somehow.
He was a palladin, but they needed a navy seal for their movie ensemble, so that's what we get.
>>48085155
Most people on here probably don't even remember OG Innistrad, SOM is pushing it.
>>48085865
Which upsets me, since it means we won't get a replacement 'old man paladin' since they'll pretend like Gideon fills that slot.
Unless R/W gets a passionate lawman instead of feral Ajani and one half of the worst power couple in magic.
>>48084662
No she fucking wasn't are you for real?
>>48086382
Can I have your name and address so I can beat you to fucking death?
>>48086416
Stop shitposting and defend your point. Emmy fucking bends reality. Emmy literally devours planes. Avacyn excreting a certain amount of influence does not make her Emmys equal.
>>48086449
I'm not interested anymore. The autistic subhumans on this piece of shit board are not worth interacting with on any level but outright hostility. Fuck you.
>>48086486
Nice argument. You're boring.
>>48086492
And you are all retards who should be fucking shot to death because you disregard the actual fucking text of their thing you're claiming to argue to instead inject your own baseless opinions about it so you never have to be wrong. Fuck you all. This entire board is a piece of shit.
>>48081143 >>48081156
>>48084870 >>48084899
Quads of four replies.
>>48086526
Lol.
>>48083743
Sometimes I wonder how life would have changed if only "+1: Discard a card. If you do, draw a card."
>>48086721
OP as shit
>>48086732
But would it have been OP in a bad way? Every good deck has a few OP cards, they're what really drive the gameplay.
>>48086526
Why do you insist that other people are mentally deficient and deserve to literally be killed because they disagree with you about the backstory of a children's card game.
>>48086782
I suspect they're not from here and can't handle anyone challenging anything they say. The responses I've read from them read like edgy YouTube comments.
>>48083743
Prodigy Jace is the other two mana walker.
>>48080869
>Those pens in her bun
I love it.
>>48081125
It's one of the better counterspells in limited though
reminder that calling it the jacetice league will get your dci banned
>>48087329
Bring it on.
I secretly hope that we get an Avacyn's Pilgrim reprint, but deranged and desperately thinking that Avacyn is secretly still alive.Just like the waifufags.
>every single set from this point on will involve the Jacestice League
>Maro said Kamigawa, Time Spiral and Lorwyn were all mistakes
Is Magic finally about to die?
>>48087545
>CMC 1 mana dorks
Didn't they say they're not printing those anymore? Besides, Green's mana dork for this set has already been spoiled
>>48081666
>O ring won't be reprinted in standard sets because the linked abilities are "too confusing" aka "people are abusing our rules to exile things forever with it and we don't like that"
Banishing Light exists to fill the need for O'ring in standard to be used as intended. There's already Stasis Snare anyway.
>>48087589
Probably not but imo it is going in all the wrong directions.
>>48087589
A new age.
>>48087589
>Time Spiral
Literally the most fun set in magic
>>48083743
yeah well Baby Jace is kind of a two mana planeswalker and he was in literally every single standard deck ever played for a while.
>>48087710
The only reason he's not played anymore is because blue fucking sucks at the moment and Green is literally rolling in card advantage and great cards
>this is the only spirit spoiled so far
Fuck me, Rattlechains isn't ever going to be a standard deck, is it?
>>48087778
Gonna make room for more eldrazi my friend.
Who here is really for not!India when it is revealed that a 4 titan exists (Meme'mrakul (work in progress)) that warps artificial life and constructs into epic scifi horror monsters? Preorder YOUR booster box today!
>>48087778
atleast rattle made it into that u/r fliers deck
>>48087589
>Kamigawa and Time Spiral were mistakes
>theros, dragons, and BFZ weren't
Maro can go fuck himself
>>48087589
>Maro said Kamigawa, Time Spiral and Lorwyn were all mistakes
They were, in their own ways.
Kamigawa was the an overreaction. They were too afraid of what had become of Mirrodin and didn't have time to fully rebalance the set, so they erred on the sake of caution and dropped the power level of cards off a cliff. Add to that the incredibly insular and parasitic nature of Kamigawa's mechanics and it just made it a set that was not fun to play. It's possible to appreciate it the plane itself and some cards in retrospect, but the set itself failed to be a good gameplay experience.
Time Spiral was a little masturbatory. That's fine if you're the one masturbating, but to people who didn't get what the set was about, it was an impenetrable haze of keywords and interactions, exactly the sort of thing that would validate someone believing they couldn't get into Magic because it's "too comlpex". Playing Time Spiral in limited was a bit of a mess, because there wasn't much in the way of standardization of effects, and a lot of obscure keywords. You'd have to know the set by heart to be fully aware of what your opponent could do at any moment. There were no reasonable guesses based on other cards you had seen.
Lorwyn was Tribal taken to an extreme, which had an issue with typecasting archetypes and strategies. Additionally, there were an inordinate amount of "invisible" benefits to creatures throughout the set. All the various +1/+1s from different Lords, alongside actual +1/+1 or -1/-1 counters, Tribal keywords like Prowl, all the various tokens being produced, and all the creatures that cared about what other creatures were around made keeping track of the board state a much more involved process than it usually is.
The issues with Time Spiral and Lorwyn may not seem like huge problems as someone who is deep enough into the hobby to be visiting /tg/, but for more occasional, casual, or new players, the sets tested very poorly. Complexity isn't good by default.
>>48080869
>>48081269
I see that Tamiyo can't join the Jacetice League because she's already part of a different group.
>>48087860
>Gonna make room for more eldrazi my friend.
I suppose. I just wish there were still three sets per block to let tribes breath a little more. Hopefully Kaladesh and Aether Revolt have room for a couple spirits; I'll want at least something to make up for the loss of Anafenza.
>>48087868
Yeah, I might put that together. Or maybe just a value list of WU with Reflector Mage and Rattlechains in a control shell, with a little bit of janky spirit interaction.
>>48087941
>>theros, dragons, and BFZ weren't
He never said that. How about you actually listen to Maro directly instead of making up bullshit that he never said. He has an episode of his podcast called "Lessons Learned: Theros". Educate yourself shit-eater.
>>48087951
>The issues with Time Spiral and Lorwyn may not seem like huge problems as someone who is deep enough into the hobby to be visiting /tg/, but for more occasional, casual, or new players, the sets tested very poorly
How is that a bad thing? By far most sets are aimed at new players/casuals so what is the harm in having a standard set/block once every 10 years aimed at the starving (and possibly shrinking) part of their fanbase that knows how the game is played?
>>48087982
Because Time Spiral drove off a large chunk of players. It's not something that is a sound decision from a marketing, financial or business standpoint.
Satisfying players who are already heavily invested into the game is less rewarding than attracting new players. In order to offset this, they invented the "Advanced" sets, IE Modern and Eternal Masters, which you'll notice are also more expensive. They get less out of catering to that demographic by default, so they're having to set the base price a little higher to account for it. They can't just do a plain set with those players in mind though.
>Vampires, Spirit, Zombies and Werewolves desperately need support so they can be a real deck and have even a niche spot on Standard
>Oh no nvm heres Eldrazi again, sorry fuck you.
>No more nonplaneswalker sets
>No more non-Jacetice League sets
>These really terrible excuses for a story with the new two-set per block format, which completely fucks up the middle and the end
>Mechanics are still thrown away left and right, despite Wizards claiming that this will not be the case anymore.
Well, I lost all interest in magic's story now.
>>48088019
But anon, the "Advanced" sets were ALL the non-core non-portal sets, the block format was designed to cater to advanced players, with new ideas and complex cards.
>>48088050
That was the old dichotomy. They reassessed what really was and was not an "Advanced" set when they got rid of Core Sets.
>>48088030
Yeah man this shit is ridiculous. Zombies in particular, one of the oldest tribes in the game, could even be playable in Legacy/Modern by now, but they go and give fucking ayy lmaos tons of cards and make it a tier 1 deck out of fucking nowhere.
Not even a decent 1 cmc zombie to help, it's unbelievable.
>>48088116
Tamiyo is the sixth planeswalker. That's why she had to be printed in 3 colors, because the other options were already taken. At least that's how MaRo explained it.
>>48084242
Is there anyone who actually like these shitty color caricatures let alone prefer them to real OGs like urza or yawgmoth
>>48088040
Yeah I tried to get invested in the story again but BFZ and OGW was terrible. And now EMN which had more story potential shows off how bad the two set block structure is for storytelling in general.
>>48088160
Apparently mouth-breathing 13 year-olds or whoever the target audience is.
>>48088160
Kids, teenagers, retards. So their usual target demographic.
>>48082830
>{spoiler]
good job retard
>>48088179
>>48088187
I keep hearing about these people from both Wizards and /tg/, but never see them posting anywhere online nor do I see any IRL images of them.
>>48088197
Go to tumblr. mtgs even mythicspoiler spoil comments and you will find them.
I don't know where they actually live, I have never seen one irl.
>>48088072
Wasn't Gravecrawler reprinted in a deck recently? It could be a decent 1 drop.
>>48088175
With old sets, it basically went:
>Set up
>Conflict
>Resolution
With the two set structure, it's now:
>Set up
>Conflict+Resolution+Jacetice League
They have to do everything at once since they has less room to work with. The result is ultimately unsatisfying.
>>48084242
fug
>>48088175
Seriously, three set blocjs make so much more sense.
1. Establish the setting/conflict
2. Escalation
3. Resulotion
With the two set structure you have to do the escelation and resolition in the same set which really fucks with pacing.
>>48088210
It was but it isn't standard legal. Even thinking that Wizards was going to print something as good as gravecrawler in standard makes you at the very least blindly optimistic.
Guys guys, Kaladesh is the first block with only 2 set block design. Innistrad started as a 3 set block.
>>48088214
>>48088211
The only other argument left for it is "drafting". Honestly I prefer 3-set blocks for drafting, but I've seen alot of people disagree with me. One of the biggest problems seems to be issue with coming up with new mechanics, which shouldn't be an issue because MaRo claims they they've learned their lesson TWO YEARS AGO and don't mind reusing old mechics. Too bad it's a baseless claim and wizards haven't learned shit.
>>48084534
>why would i ever want to see a story about something other than these five uninteresting teens?
Like, what's the point of having all these unique and wondrous worlds if they're just going to be backdrops for a handful of faggots to take selfies in front of?
>>48088228
Nope, that was BFZ. MaRo himself has said that the change affected BFZ mid design, making it from a 3 to a 2 set block but when SOI started being designed they already knew they were going to stick with the new structure.
It did affect it in the way that since BFZ was 2 sets they had to push Emmy to another block but, once again, they knew from the start that Emmy was going to show up in return to Innistrad and that it was going to be about mystery+cosmic horror.
>>48088228
>What are the Lorwyn and Shadowmoor blocks
>>48087941
Dragons had unpleasant story resolution but cards were good. Kommands are amazing
>>48088245
>What are some of most unpopular blocks
>>48088244
Yeah sure design was always 2 sets. But creative and world/story building started for 3 sets.
>>48088257
Regardless, it worked. We have a set-up, the change of fate in mini-set, and a proper resolution that seems to get more hate now than it did before (besides muh evil dragons).
>>48087329
what? really?
>>48088271
Yeah, MaRo sperged out before because he doesn't like people refer to Gatewatch as the "Jacetice League"
>>48088276
>>48088281
haha, nice. anybody got a cap?
>>48088264
Because it was a 3 color wedge block that turned into allied colored Ravnica with dragons.
If the Dragons were 3 color, people wouldn't be nearly as pissed off with the set. They threw a large part of what made Khans so good in the trash.
>>48088210
>>48088219
Leaving aside the fact that Gravecrawler is weak as fuck if we're talking about constructed in general.
>>48088321
You're talking mechanics, I am talking story.
>>48088337
The story will be fine. It'll get fixed when they return to tarkir.
Most people tend to forget that dragons are pricks in mtg. There are no "good" dragons in mtg. Rith and Niv-Mizzet are neutral at best.
>>48088366
Dromoka came out pretty (morally) good, most of people who bitch about her haven't even read the Anafenza story.
>>48088321
>Because it was a 3 color wedge block that turned into allied colored Ravnica with dragons.
was there any reason why they didn't make enemy-colored Dragons?
>>48088366
Darigaaz and Chromium were arguably good, at least for dragon standards.
>>48088381
Maro's explaination was that it would have made the draft format to similar since you generally draft enemy colors first in wedge.
Which is a dumb reason.
>>48088380
Dromoka implemented her own law upon the Abzan people and killed Anafanza for Heresy. The Abzan were perfectly fine to begin with until Dromoka came around and burned their family traditions to the ground.
>>48088381
Wizards generally does not like making enemy colored characters because they believe it's bad design.
>>48088295
>>48088462
What a tremendous faggot.
>>48088462
Cry more, MaRo, your tears sustain me.
You can't blame people for not liking the Holywood comic-flick storyline Wizards is shitting out, some people actually have good taste and standards.
>>48088432
Not the guy you're replying but before Dromoka the Abzan were a bunch of degenerates who worshiped ghosts like filthy Orzhov slaves.
>>48080869
That is a smug Kamigawan.
>>48080869
Hope it's white. Visually this should be white.
>>48080869
West side, nigga!
>>48088510
Plus a lot of people open to this kind of thing will be sick of it with the saturation of capeshit everywhere.
>>48088517
>not respecting your ancestors
>Orzhov are filthy
If anything, you're the degenerate around here. Their rhinos are stronger than any dragon on that plane.
>>48088327
What would a reasonable 1 drop zombie look like, then?
>>48088588
Bitch they are dead get over it.
>>48088603
># of playable rhinos in modern: 4
># of playable rhinos in modern: 0
And before you bring up standard, the strongest dragon to ever hit standard was in M13.
Do people actually care about "the story"? I don't understand how people get so bent out of shape over something that largely does not effect the game at all
>>48082886
Are you aware that we already have 5 Planeswalker in this set? There will not be any Liliana card, the move her another set like Jace with Zendikar 2.
>>48088668
Because its a pretty interesting story when it wants to be.
>>48088668
Some us doesn't even play, we are here for the White Waifu this is why are we so butthurt.
>>48088673
Liliana is confirned faggot.
We have one planeswalker card in this set so far and we are getting two.
>>48088599
To compete with the rapefest of Eldrazi in Modern and Legacy? Zombie Lackey is the bare minimum, preferably if it brings zombies from your graveyard instead of your hand.
But we will never get anything half as good as that, WotC hates zombies for some reason.
>>48088668
>does not effect the game at all
>jacetice league planeswalker card every other set
>eldrazi everywhere instead of more unique tribal cards
It affect the game more than you think
>>48088692
Sorin, Naihiri, Jace, Wolf Girl and Tamyo are 5 card, you are failing at math like FOREVEEEEEER
>>48088668
While I'm primarily interested in the gameplay I feel like knowing the story really adds to the experience. Summoning Emrakul with Nahiri gives is extra amusing knowing it's flavourful too.
>>48088704
Set, this SET.
Not block.
We are getting Lili this is confirmed and we only have Tamiyo in this set so far so dhe'll make two.
>>48088647
>discussing the storyline
>suddenly brings up the memerhinos subject
Are you retarded?
>>48088745
Every Block so far has always had 5 Planeswalker, so no Liliana. There is not a single proof that Liliana Last Hope ever exist has a planeswalker card.
>>48088668
See >>48088701
Also, it's almost impossible to ignore the story outright between the card art and the flavortext. If the story is lame as fuck you're going to be reminded of it when you play Sealed/Standard, and non-rotating formats as well if any cards from a set make that cut.
Why dont they just ignore block constraints on the story and make a continuous plot?
>>48088767
You think that the face of the set won't get a card?
And you the the 5 walker rulevis ironclad while ignoring the 2 walker minimum per set "rule".
You are one dumb motherfucker.
