OFFICIAL BOOKS
>Eclipse Phase PDFs
http://robboyle.wordpress.com/eclipse-phase-pdfs
>Zone Stalkers
http://www.mediafire.com/view/d0hpgo776xpx50p/Eclipse_Phase_Zone_Stalkers.pdf
>Morph Recognition Guide
http://www.mediafire.com/download/j4bjbba89kw8v0y/Eclipse_Phase_Morph_Recognition_Guide_%286098716%29.pdf
>Million Year Echo
http://www.mediafire.com/view/f53f1c5yq777tpk/Million_Year_Echo.pdf
>Firewall (Updated):
http://www.mediafire.com/view/9jg6q9d9kqa59qu/Eclipse_Phase_Firewall_(7029562).pdf
>Transhumanity's FATE (FATE Conversion)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ae113ujgd3hggpl/Transhumanitys_FATE.pdf
>X-Risks and After The Fall
https://mega.nz/#F!KwcS0bJK!9KLjZegzebaq-mlPUin45Q
PLAY AIDS:
>10 things you should know about Eclipse Phase
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qnrh0w7H0Jl2_CSsySRxcs4ugw27xsBIk5MYwXq2nDQ/edit
>Advice for new players and GMs
http://pastebin.com/e0EErN6X
>Online character creator
http://eclipsephase.next-loop.com/Creator/version4/index.php
>Eclipse Phase hacking cheet sheet
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?axe1vs35muk4juh
>Eclipse Phase xls Character sheet
https://sites.google.com/site/eclipsephases/home/cabinet
>Package Character Creator
https://firewallagency.wordpress.com/
COMMUNITY CONTENT:
>3 new adventures for your use in convenient PDF form
http://awdaberton.wordpress.com/about/
>Ander's Sandberg's Eclipse Phase fanmade content, including several modules
http://www.aleph.se/EclipsePhase/
>Farcast: An Eclipse Phase yearblog full of items, locations, NPCs, and plot hooks
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dhqd1m83xc1wmpj/Farcast_Yearblog_2013.pdf
>The Ultimate's Guide to Combat
http://eclipsephase.com/sites/default/files/UltimatesGuideToCombat11a.pdf
/EPG/ HOMEBREW CONTENT
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Gy02gp6-WPQ3SoN_24kLPTUu5EjFO8qh_9pjJSVrrY/edit
First for Exhumans did nothing wrong
>>48061883
You know it's talking about Ozma, right? Why do they look like Scum?
>>48061910
Exhumans need to be contained.
>>48062144
Find me a single image of OZMA in any of the books
>>48062306
>implying
>>48062315
>he's an OZMAposter
>>48061883
>PLAY AIDS:
No, I don't want to play a game that's as bad as AIDS.
>>48062281
Could someone beat Shirow with a bag of apples until he gets his shit back together again?
>>48062707
I wanted to get more of this one but in order to do that I'd have to go on porn manga sites which i can't do while I'm at work.
>>48062707
>No, I don't want to play a game that's as bad as AIDS.
I keep telling you: if you don't want AIDS, stop being a faggot
>>48062769
>AF 10
>Not being a faggot
Women are good for nothing but drama, bro. You need a bro to work out with, kill shit with, and fuck until neither of you can walk right the next morning. Being a faggot is awesome, bro.
>>48063410
Good thing morphs are more durable these days. I can't imagine taking the dick by a Bruiser or that centaur sythmorph.
>>48063410
Enjoy your exsurgents, faggot
Everyone knows you can't get the big EX from heterosexual sexr-right?
>>48063605
You tell me.
>>48063654
Somewhere in the deepest darkest part of the Carnival of the Goat they allow you to sleeve into this thing.
>>48063654
I saw this monster and thought "a bunch of bleeding mouths... why? Then I read the description. Those aren't mouths...
>>48063410
>Direction Action squad is entirely made of bro egos sleeved in Fury morphs doing bro things and working out
This game continues to violently assault my heterosexuality. Send helpor a Fury morph
>>48063889
Furies can be any sex. Most likely, they're futas. I hope you like cock.
>>48063889
What even is heterosexuality in a world with resleeving? Is it gay if two straight men fuck each other in female Furies? What about a morph with a dick loaded with a female ego?
People's preference sheets in online dating must be very complicated.
>>48063654
When I saw that, it reminded me of some works by GFF.
http://eclipsephase.com/project-status
EP updated the status page, Crime is still in the outline stage but it's definitely a hardcover. Argonauts and Space Fighting will be minibooks still - unknown why the fuck Argonauts is somehow still not written holy shit pay some freelancers or something.
>>48063954
It'd mostly be a list of things someone finds attractive, what turns them off, and what they'd be willing to sleeve into.
>>48064080
But they want their self-insert anarcho-syndicalist science faction to be written perfectly before it's released.
>>48063943
Fuck whatever retcon did that, most furies are still biologically female in my bookfutas or not
>>48063954
According to the core book, most people still adhere to the gender associated with their original biological sex (possible experimenting aside), so I'd say it wouldn't be be uncommon to see stuff like "prefers female human egos in female human morphs", for example. Things get stupid complicated the further you go from the outer system, especially among the scum. I'd say borderline tumblrite special snowflake-y but that's too easy.
>>48064239
I don't think that gender association is the problem. A guy would be pretty pissed if he shacks up with a chick who one day gets a sex change and then says "I'm going to be a man from now on."
Regarding Furies, there's literally nothing mechanically that makes it so that male Furies are less viable. If you insist on making there be a mechanical difference for Furies to match fluff while retaining rule balance, you could make it so that a male Fury has Modified Behavior 2 (encouraged macho behavior) and Pain Tolerance 1 to balance it out.
>>48064413
Personally, this seems like a great way for either a character to add personality to their morph or to handle the effects of poor morph brokerage.
>"Yeah, we have a Fury in the back, but it's one of the older male models, y'know before they worked out all the hormone balancing bugs and turned it into a marketing thing? So you're gonna want to stay on downers or something if you want to try and check that aggression. And you'll void our warranty if you take Alpha with it"
>>48062306
I liked the fact that they offered some real possibilities on what OZMA could be, but was still a little annoyed that they didn't provide enough incidents or details to weave together; as-is, you're still assembling things from scratch.
>>48065199
"Ozma is literally a meme faction" is fluff of the year all years.
>>48065244
Pretty sure that the AA is the meme faction.
>>48065456
What is a meme faction anyway?
>>48065722
A faction of the memes, by the memes, for the memes.
>>48061883
So, if the TITANs aren't crazy or dead is there even a reason for humanity to still exist? We're the outdated geriatric race they've superseded. Pandora gates are the TITANs letting us live out our fantasies of space exploration while we slowly go extinct, because they're dutiful caretakers of ailing and demented parents.
>>48065784
>is there even a reason for humanity to still exist?
If there isn't a reason for you to exist, a meaning or purpose to your life, you roll up your sleeves and you fucking find some. I don't give a shit whether you decide to dedicate your life to killing anything in your path or becoming a great artist or or achieving the perfect garden or helping other people or fucki g drawing kilometer-scale dicks on every uninhabitable exoplanet you can find. Find a meaning, a purpose, and a reason you, among all of transhumanity, exist. And put your nose to the grindstone and make that your life and make it have meaning to you. Then you will be fulfilled and happy. Other people caring is just a bonus.
And if you can't do that and insist on sitting wallowing in your own nihilistic filth, fucking off yourself and save resources for those of us who matter.
>>48065784
>why bother living if there are better people than me
>>48063889
Humanoids are overrated.
>>48066625
>>48066625
>YWN have an exhuman waifu with 8 legs, 7 vaganyas, 25 tentacles, and 4 mouths
What happens to a skill rating of 60 when the linked aptitude increases by 5 due to morph change? Does it become 65 or 63 (because it costs twice as much to increase a skill beyond 60, so the bonus is halved)?
>>48066921
65. Morph bonuses are applied after everything else.
>>48066997
Does that mean I can raise a skill above 80 after morph bonuses at chargen?
>>48066540
You are making my dreams come true.
>>48066402
>>48066540
Obviously, I just don't understand why Firewall is so bent out of shape about X-Risks. Why is extinction such a big scary thing compared to just regular dying? That's what you should really be worried about.
Open reminder that the game itself is an x-risk according to the game.
>>48067097
>Why is extinction such a big scary thing compared to just regular dying?
extinction by definition is everyone dying the regular way though
>why Firewall is so bent out of shape about X-Risks
why wouldn't you be concerned about your entire race being up shit creek with no way of getting a paddle
>>48067152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVupRsbx8UM
>>48067062
I'm not sure. Common sense would suggest yes given that if the morph bonus was disregarded during character creation it would instantly apply when gameplay starts.
>>48067152
That's not a threat. There's literally no way to tell that this is the case and there's nothing that you could do even if it were the case. It's just intellectual masturbation.
>>48067302
>There's literally no way to tell that this is the case and there's nothing that you could do even if it were the case. It's just intellectual masturbation.
You've described literally all of Eclipse Phase
>>48067349
Not really.
>>48067349
Even if you argue that the TITANs are going to come back for the rest of humanity and so everything is pointless, keeping x-threats in check until then is still at least extending humanity's lifespan until then.
>>48066895
>respond to 'help wanted' ad for a newly-vacant assistant position on a long-distance cargo ship
>discover on boarding that the owner has long since abandoned conventional morphs and is now a thick layer of organic tissue, firmly bonded to every interior surface of the ship
>>48067414
Are you suggesting that Meathab Bro is a vorefag?
>>48067441
Is there ANY reasonable way that the ego in meathab isn't doing it for a fetish thing.
>>48067505
He did it for the lulz?
>>48067505
It's clearly doing it for the art, pleb.
>>48067097
Even if you accept that premise (it turns out people can care about things other than their own mortality), the advent of backup and resleeving means that everyone is immortal unless someone blows up civilization. Keeping yourself alive means keeping transhumanity alive, otherwise there's no one to resleeve you if/when you die.
It also means being very redundant in the first place, but it's pretty easy to get redundant enough that anything that doesn't kill off transhumanity won't kill you off. Then you work on making sure nothing kills off transhumanity.
This has been the explicit motivations of some PCs that I've seen; the character agrees to work with Firewall because Firewall will stick their ego in a hundred different failsafe points and actively work to prevent transhuman extinction.
>TAHI works closely with SIS
>SIS is the intelligence arm of a rogue fleet dedicated to destroying the Republic
This is confirmation that TAHI are traitors, as if we needed any further confirmation.
>>48067302
Neither of those conclusions is necessarily true
>>48068854
>Hidden inside the book is a basilisk hack that makes you play EP as fluffy happy maid fetish simulator where nothing bad ever happens
>Reality is configured according to Firewall's will
>Everyone is happy
>Good end
>>48069181
I'm running EP in "everything has gone to shit, everyone is a colossal asshole, you are royally fucked at all times, make the best of it, inaction will only worsen your situation" style. Did I resist the hack?
>>48069181
>Reality is configured according to Firewall's will
>Good end
But Firewall are sadists and psychopaths who rape and torture children
>>48069438
So how's that exsurgent infection doing, Ozma?
>>48069569
Considering OZMA is Firewall's handler, pretty well actually
>>48070478
>Pictured: definitely a wormhole, especially since it isn't in asymptotically flat space
So, I'm brainstorming campaign ideas with X-risks (so, probably Firewall). What kind of FUN sounds appealing?
Gatecrashing, emphasizing hostile alien life and TITAN remnants in a smash and grab fashion? Post-post-apocalyptic, we're the PCs are restored from backup thousands of years in the future? Hunting for clues to where the TITANs went?
>>48071129
Being restored from backup thousands of years in the future is always a good time.
>>48071129
>A terrorist gives out world destroying tech to random indentures, counting on their hatred of transhumanity to ensure that they use it for nefarious purposes
>A psychosurgeon perfects the perfect 'virus,' which loads a psychosurgery skillsoft into its victims' brains and compels them to install it in other people
>A generation ship where the players wake up, hundreds of years after the populace has forgotten where they are and why they're there
>>48066921
> What happens to a skill rating of 60 when the linked aptitude increases by 5 due to morph change?
> Does it become 65
Yes.
>>48067062
> Does that mean I can raise a skill above 80 after morph bonuses at chargen?
Yes. You can even get it to 99.
10 CPs: Buy Expert trait (maximum is 90).
50 CPs: Get skill to 60 (aptitude 10)
60 CPs: Get skill to 90
Get +10 to Aptitude (for a total of 20) from morph bonus.
Since 99 is maximum, you get your skill to 99. I'm not sure if "over the top" bonus applies with difficulty modifiers. I.e. will you get 89 or 90 with -10.
>>48067302
>There's literally no way to tell that this is the case
Yet people have been trying to find a way of testing it. It's got flaws, but it's a start.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/429561/the-measurement-that-would-reveal-the-universe-as-a-computer-simulation/
>>48073300
What the fuck this even supposed to be?
>>48073498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1B0qwDI64E
>>48073561
Is Metal Gear willfully retarded or did they make everything stupid accidentally?
>>48073635
Willfully retarded.
>>48073561
> mooo
I need some brain bleach now.
>>48073635
Best description I've seen was military thriller told as a superhero story.
>>48067441
probably
>>48073635
>40 foot tall mechanics that kick people to death instead of having guns and also roar and fart fire for no reason
You already know the answer to your question
>>48074380
>Mechanics
Mechs. Thanks phone. What a team player.
>>48063889
>homoerotic banter takes on a whole new direction
>musclegirls snapping towels at each other's butts
>periodic 'no homo' groping
>>48075511
This is one of the devs' fetishes. A presumably different dev's fetish is catgirls, going by the pleasure pod description.
>>48074380
It has an M2 browning machinegun in the game you fuck. Maybe next you can bitch about them holding guns sideways in the into of MGS 5 next.
>>48076195
>Maybe next you can bitch about them holding guns sideways in the into of MGS 5 next
Horizontal rather than vertical spread? That's all I can think of.
>>48076195
>Mech the size of a tank
>Armament is one heavy machine gun and kicking things
>>48076314
Yeah it's actually not the worst idea for handheld automatic weapons if you're firing against a tight enemy formation that's arranged perpendicularly to you. Of course, this situation almost never happens, but still.
>>48071609
Not bad. What else?
>>48073690
Have you seen / would you play an EP treatment of that concept?
>>48076314
>>48076370
They're sideways because they're wearing gas masks, you can't get as good of a sight picture because you can't press your face against the weapon and look directly down the weapon.
>herf derf just a machinegun?!
Notice how they blatantly say the war economy is bad around mercenaries taking on Insurgents. You don't need a fucking 120mm cannon to fight Insurgents.
>>48076376
>Metal Gear Solid in EP
Well both are already using nanomachines as handwavium...
>>48076417
>We'll cut costs by down-arming our giant armored mechs
kek
>>48076417
Sure anon. Whatever you say. I'm sure the giant mechs with 1 machinegun each are way cheaper than some IFVs with remote weapons stations carrying a variety of different armaments, or even just some drone support.
>>48076608
Well, I mean, a Gekko can also leap small buildings and walk inside large ones, and they have a couple different loadouts in the game, including anti-tank missiles and multiple machine gun turrets.
And with their little whip arms they can throw grenades at people.
Not that reasonableness of technology ever stopped metal gear as a second re: literally every other model of metal gears.
>>48076472
>giant mech
>18 feet tall
>saving costs by using the weapon best suited for fighting unarmored targets.
Nope, fucking retarded.
>>48076608
>lol why not IFVs
Same reason why we don't use them in Urban combat IRL faggot.
>variety of weapons
You mean an auto cannon which isnt any better against infantry Vs an HMG?
>drones
They do use drones you fucking faggot.
Christ, the dumbest faggots try to pick apart MGS with a COD level knowledge of warfare
>>48077028
But anon, /k/ tells me mechs are dumb and I only know MGS from people trying to look smart by shitting all over it.
Yes, I do frequent the studying believability blog and do in fact assume I outsmarted the entire development team and their years of work.
>>48074380
Literally every implication of that sentence is wrong. Have you even seen a screen shot from MGS?
I might as well complain space Marines are melee only and are two feet tall. Why are they so small and badly armed anon?
>>48077028
>>giant mech
>>18 feet tall
>>saving costs by using the weapon best suited for fighting unarmored targets.
>Nope, fucking retarded.
You can't think of a cheaper way to use that than a mech which is clearly a good bit more than 18 feet tall.
>You mean an auto cannon which isnt any better against infantry Vs an HMG?
No, like a medium machinegun which is just as good and has way more ammunition, or an airbursting grenade machinegun that also has HEDP rounds for dealing with light armored vehicles.
>Same reason why we don't use (IFVs) in Urban combat IRL faggot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Fighting_Vehicle#Bradley_Urban_Survival_Kit
>People who know that armored vehicles are used in urban combat and that mechs are even more vulnerable to concealed infantry than armored vehicles are have CoD level knowledge of warfare. And mechs will be cheap if they're only 18 feet tall. And underfunded mercenaries will clearly save money by having all of the newest toys instead of using previous generation equipment.
Whatever you say, kid. Maybe if you call enough people faggots people will believe you know what you're talking about.
>>48077280
Replace 40 with 18 (not that the number was important) and 'having' with 'using'. Now 100% correct.
>>48067232
>extinction by definition is everyone dying the regular way though
Firewall isn't just worried about x risks that kill you though. If the no!Borg rocked up and assimilated everyone they'd consider that extinction even though most people were technically still alive
>>48077422
> lol why don't they use a bigger gun
>it doesn't make sense
>THEN WHY DON'T THEY MAKE IT SMALLER
>lol this mech is 40 feet tall
>it's not, it's pretty clearly about three persons tall
>LOL its so obviously 20 feet and not 18
>WHY DON'T WE USE IFVS INSTEAD
>because its vulnerable in Urban environments
>NUH UH HERE'S A SPECIALIZED LOADOUT THAT THEY NEEDED BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD AT IT
Wow, it's amazing you vaguely think you're right when you've moved the goalposts, been fucking wrong about basic facts, and overall been making excuses to not see mechs in a game literally about them.
I could tell you that the Browning MG is chosen for its anti material, cover penetration, and anti infantry capabilities; and that we don't replace it with the MK 19 exactly for the same reason why you think we should use MMGs. I could tell you that being able to jump hundreds of meters at a time is a fucking good ability.
But why bother. You literally assume that if it's in MGS it's dumb and wrong. So I'll just call you a faggot and not quantify your retardation.
>>48077689
Theyre dumping amino acids because their legs are organic components made from stem cells.
They also use their machine guns all the fucking time. Actually research things before congratulating your self for figuring it all out.
>>48077422
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Gekko
>height, 4.2 meters
>armaments include a machinegun in the nose or:
>Two M2 browning machine guns
>grenade launcher
>ATGM
>capable of sidestepping incoming RPG attacks
>shown to easily knock over the STRYKER IFVS Platforms
>they do operate alongside IFVS and drones
Everything you said is wrong and its all on the first place you should have looked.
>>48077710
>because its vulnerable in Urban environments
>NUH UH HERE'S A SPECIALIZED LOADOUT THAT THEY NEEDED BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD AT IT
Urban survival kits are issued to vehicles because they're used in urban environments all the time and weren't originally designed for it. The problem addressed? Mostly weak rear and top armor, also some sensor stuff. Do tell me how a mech made entirely of exposed joints is less vulnerable than an armored vehicle.
Also they're using an armored vehicle in the game (as seen in the video), so if that was stupid then it would still be an argument against the game.
>Continuing to think that something would be an inefficient use of resources and also underarmed for the entire conversation is moving the goalposts.
Tell another joke
>been fucking wrong about basic facts
I'll admit that I was too busy laughing at the mech Rockette show to make a good height estimate.
>I could tell you that the Browning MG is chosen for its anti material, cover penetration, and anti infantry capabilities; and that we don't replace it with the MK 19 exactly for the same reason why you think we should use MMGs.
At what point did I say Brownings are bad? Hint: never, but there are some very good reasons that tanks mount MMGs as secondary armament. Also, the airbursting rounds fired by the C16 are fucking fantastic against infantry in cover.
>I could tell you that being able to jump hundreds of meters at a time is a fucking good ability.
A) This is a great example of the game being fucking retarded, which was the starting point of the whole discussion.
B) No it isn't. The ground will give unpredictably during launch, resulting in an unpredictable trajectory. Now it's probably going to land in the wrong place and probably get damaged in the process.
>>48077876
>capable of sidestepping incoming RPG attacks
>shown to easily knock over the STRYKER IFVS Platforms
Can it also cast chain lightning? Also they're clearly taller than 4.2 meters.
>>48077876
>>grenade launcher
Actually it says it uses little arms to throw hand grenades, which is hilarious.
>>ATGM
I'll admit that ATGMs are decent armament. That in no way negates other criticisms though.
>>48077750
>Theyre dumping amino acids because their legs are organic components made from stem cells.
Oh, well *that* makes sense.
>They also use their machine guns all the fucking time.
Well in that case I guess kicking things isn't fucking stupid
>>48077918
>the mechs need an MMG or they're dumb
>they have it
>they should have more than one MG
>they have two
>they should have a grenade launcher
>they do
>they should have a dedicated AT weapon
>they do
>they're more vulnerable to rockets than vehicles
>they're not
>they should be operating with drones and IFVs
>they do
>actually it's dumb they work with vehicles
>And its dumb that a lighter vehicle is more agile than a heavy one
>and its dumb that things with legs can use them
Yet here you are accusing other people of people childish. Kojima isn't an expert on anything but being Kojima, so it's sad you make him look like a fucking Scholar in comparison.
>>48077969
>Oh, well *that* makes sense.
It doesn't, its lactic acid, aka the thing your muscles produce when you use them.
I bet Kojima is dumb for knowing basic biology though.
S-so /epg/ how d-do you like to use Ultimates in your game? Are they just tryhard mercs, enlightened greekaboo philisopher kings, or ubermensch Darwinist space nazis?
>>48077918
>Can it also cast chain lightning? Also they're clearly taller than 4.2 meters.
No, only Raiden and Volgin show mysterious lightning powers.
>>48078201
Isn't Raiden's supposed to be because he runs so fast that the friction causes statis buildup or some shit?
Though, yeah,Volgin does actually have mystical powers. But psychics and other mutant types have been around since the first game.
>>48078055
>Basic biology dictates that lactic acid needs to be spewed out from special valves instead of just oxygenating the blood properly so it isn't produced. Also lactic acid is a weird colored liquid.
>>48078027
>Potentially more useful variants mean the basic concept isn't dumb
>Exposed joints aren't vulnerable
>Shit no fucking said
>Big armored mechs would totally be able to dodge projectiles travelling at hundreds of feet per second
>Kicking won't damage the mech at all
>Melee is a totally valid strategy
>still pretending the wiki says grenade launcher when it says hand grenades
>>48077876
>It can kick over a nearly 20 ton vehicle but it's light enough for one or two machine guns and maybe some grenades it throws by hand
We're on a roll guys.
Incidentally, there exist humans big enough to fire an M2 while standing.
You know friend, sometimes it's okay for your favorite thing to be a bit silly.
Whenever I see a stompy robot in fiction I just really want to see the meeting of the appropriations committee that approved it.
>Uh, point of order Mr Chairman, is this really the best us of our resources?
>SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!1!
>>48078233
Did they ever actually explain Raiden's thing? As far as I actually saw it, it was just him going "I am the lightning, the rain transformed" and stuff. It was symbolic of his character growth from being too emo to actually getting his shit together.
But yeah, no, Metal Gear has stretched elements technological and supernatural from day one without really batting any eyelashes.
>>48078276
Gekko at least have the excuse they're a commercial product in a setting deliberately manipulated into the "War Economy".
>>48078174
The first and the second, with some of the younger ones being the third.
I never really saw them as Nazis, despite what the writers tried to push. Their ideal is noble, if a little short sighted, and I like to play that up. Eugenics in a post genetic world is just a silly concept too.
I do like to present them as kind of a failing institution, with most of the young and more numerous members joining because it sounded cool/was the new fad lifestlye, with the older slightly bitter members from before the Fall trying to stick to their original mission statement.
>>48078174
>>48078361
I consider the Ultimates to be poised for a civil war when I contemplate the things in X-Risks.
The majority of Ultimates still view themselves as working in conjunction with transhumanity, and simply being truer "transhumans" than others who are still more stuck on the human bit.
I do find the whole eugenics thing to be silly. They definitely make sure that their morphs are good, and I have no qualm throwing the word genetrash at scum or whatnot who have the resources to upgrade themselves but squander it, but they don't think that people born in flats are necessarily worth less than other people. It's just that anyone who really wants to meet their full potential uses a high-quality morph.
There definitely is a discrepancy between three factions: the old core group, the newer philosophical group, and the overhumanists. Overhumanists get a lot of hate from the other two groups.
However, I run the Ultimates primarily as an @-list group; they're not friends with other @-listers, but they're a philosophical movement, not a polity. The Overhumanists are allowed to be Ultimates because they claim to be Ultimates, and they're not egregiously different to the point where they get kicked out. X-Risks' Ultimates scenario would be the breaking point where you'd have the philosophical/transhuman faction breaking with the militant/overhuman faction.
>>48078239
On the wiki
>an array of grenade launchers
Wew lad, still can't read the wiki
>exposed joints are bad, because humvees and other common military weapons are RPG proof
>not getting shot isn't a valid strategy
>they're not allowed to be good at what they're defined to he good at
You've literally set up a list of things a sensible mech would have, and it met every challenge, and now your argument is something that has all of those features is dumb for being so capable.
Why are you still here?
>>48078174
Overcompensating uplifts in denial.
>>48078578
>>exposed joints are bad, because humvees and other common military weapons are RPG proof
Humvees aren't primary combat vehicles and these walkers look like they would be vulnerable to small arms fire.
>not getting shot isn't a valid strategy
Absolutely. The problem here is that there's no way in hell it could happen.
>they're not allowed to be good at what they're defined to he good at
If I define my rhinoceros to be a good tightrope walker, it would still be stupid to have in a serious game.
>>48078568
I haven't read X-Risk yet, what's the scenario in that? The seizing of the Pandora Gates during another inter planetary disaster?
>>48078794
You are the dumbest motherfucker by far to try and pick this apart. You're wrong by your own shitty metrics and can only split hairs and move goalposts. The fact this conversation went from dumb fucks thinking they were unarmed to outright saying they're not allowed to be that good because of assumptions you and you alone made; is clear that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding metal gear solid or actual military hardware. You're argument is now "nah uh" While refusing to educate yourself.
You're fucking pathetic nigga.
>>48078794
Ultimately, all vehicles are shit at urban combat.
Are mechs over-engineered and, in the end, firstly spurred by Rule of Cool? Yes, but they aren't significantly worse off than the average IFV caught in close quarters.
....So am I the only one that thinks the Minervan Fleet is a shoutout to Battlestar Galactica?
We have a ragtag fleet of humans, with a giant carrier out in the Kuiper Belt.
We have a retired badass admiral who came out of retirement to fight a robot menace threatening humanity with extinction.
We have a female President who got the position due to being the last cabinet member of the American Executive Branch and the last person in the line of succession...Oh and the Admiral and President are at odds with one another.....
>>48078991
>Big things being slower proportional to their size than small things, strength to weight ratios decreasing with size, exposed joints being vulnerable, and other basic consequences of physics are arbitrary assumptions.
>Not being wrong about a single military hardware fact demonstrates ignorance of military hardware.
>Using MGS to validate MGS is valid
Stay in school, kiddo.
>>48079115
Yeah, I notice that. And the Defiler is the monster from the "Alien" franchise. And the Gut Eater reminds me of something from "The Thing".
>>48078855
Basically the plot is: The Ultimates want to take over all the Pandora's Gates and lock everyone else in the solar system while they go and...
Yeah. It's not particularly coherent, and it's based off of the idea that Manu Bhattacharya wants extrasolar colonization, so the way to do that is... to lock everyone else out?
I mean, not everyone approves of extrasolar stuff, but if the Ultimates want to do it, all they'd really need to do is take the gate they already guard and send people through.
It also falls a little into the "Now the Ultimates have intel that they really shouldn't have" side, because they go after places like Just-in-Case and other Firewall operations outside the solar system, which they shouldn't even *know* about.
It's just mustache-twirlingly evil, and there's no logical objective to it because they'd be better off just taking one gate and spreading through it than intentionally pissing off *everyone* else.
And apparently they have WMD's now, which the plan to use to blow up gates so they can't be attacked from our solar system. This makes them somehow worse than every other faction around gates, who have the exact same safeguard in place.
>>48079158
Honestly, there's a lot of shit that is The Thing. And many other sci-fi horror/suspense tropes.
The Defiler is interesting because, as a creation by people (well, Exhumans) it's also basically an Alien rip-off in universe as well.
>>48079182
>And apparently they have WMD's now
Well yeah. That's trivially easy to do.
>>48079182
That's kinda dumb, but the idea of them stealing all the Gates has been around since the core book. It's mainly an overhumanist idea, as far as they book says. Basically a way to permanently purge all the genetrash and weak-willed people while ensuring a future for the Ultimate ideaology. I doubt Manu or any of the Autarchs would ever do such a thing. That said, I don't doubt they have access to WMDs. They've been around the block and done work for everyone, including pre-Fall governments. They probably have some pretty old, pretty powerful, toys still laying around. Info too, especially given a decent number of their members have become sentinels.
Still, I find the idea of Ultimates as a big bad kind of stupid. They've frequently been belligerent and outright violent towards other transhumans, but ultimately their leadership is smart and well coordinated.
>>48079243
When the technology becomes available, you just know some fucking idiot with try to make an Alien.
>>48079336
I'm sorry, but that's clearly a DShK.
>>48079339
Well, this is basically how Eclipse Phase works.
>"We have incredible technology verging on post-scarcity and a shitload of nerds left who embraced it, look at all the nerdy references they make!"
X-Risks doesn't make it obvious but apparently Green Death is a book reference, with some actual ties to anarcho-primitivist doctrine.
>>48079361
>Not realizing that the title describes the shopping cart
>>48079158
It really makes me wanna try and do a Non-Crazy Minerva Fleet.
Also sort of annoyed this book pulls out the bullshit, 'Jovian Junta's, 'Thought Crimes!', 'Ebil!' stuff again.
And another mini screed on how Hypercapitalism is an X-Risk.
>>48078361
The way I usually run it, the Ultimates reached peak popularity just post-Fall, when they were one of the few groups that was actually effective against the TITANs, and people were signing up to be badass overhumans who fought TITANs - the Ultimates made people feel powerful.
But since then, they've been bleeding members as the upper hierarchy has been more interested in their overhumanist philosophy. As a result, they've been radicalizing as only those most dedicated to the project have been staying, and egging on those above them.
>>48079549
Huh, I generally see it as the inner hierarchy becoming reclusive and allowing the younger generation of basically jacked up /pol/tards run the show, simply because they've realized they've lost. Manu spends all day meditating, and the Autarchs just plan gatecrashing ops and war games because it makes them happy. Makes them remember the good old days when they were mercenaries fighting in pre-Fall conflicts.
Also, just read through X-Risks, do the Rortians seem like the Supremacy affinity from Civ:BE to anyone else?
>>48079336
Reminds me of Alpha Centauri's terrible infantry models.
>>48079672
This is close to how I run it as canon. Again, I treat them a little autonomist in leaning (sort of like Plato meets Ayn Rand), so they're not exactly too concerned about the newbies falling in perfect line so long as they get good at what they're doing (that they're mercenaries with no other compulsion for improvement than being the baddest dude on the block is fine by them, since ultimate philosophy is about the pursuit of perfection but not necessarily universal perfection of an individual).
As the new guys come in, they dilute the population of old guys, who were more along the philosopher-warrior-king line and move more toward just the warrior or warrior-king trend.
And yes, I agree with you on the Beyond Earth comparison, though I now desperately want to forget Beyond Earth and pretend we'll see a good SMAC sequel.
>>48079125
Abrams tank is both the heaviest tank standardized and also has the best thrust to weight ratio. Why? Because of the engine, bigger things aren't innately slower if you increase their power. What a concept.
>stay in school, kiddo
So now we're on the same page of how retarded you are because we're back to this non existent argument. Better that way because now you can hide behind your subjectivity.
I don't know what's more fun, you pretending you aren't wrong about MGS, or you pretending you're even sort of knowledgeable of modern hardware.
Go ahead, quote yourself where you're not
A. Assuming shit (gekkos are too Expensive!)
B. Wrong about the subject (gekkos are 40 feet tall and are way bigger than tanks!)
C. Arbitrarily limiting the subject in your favor by ignoring the source material (I don't care if they can dodge things! They actually can't!)
D. Setting standards that are in fact met (it needs more than one machine gun, it needs AT weapons ect ect)
Or finally
E. Contradicting yourself (it needs larger weapons, I mean smaller weapons, I mean grenade launchers)
Or keep flailing and I'll keep jacking off to how right I am. Either way you're the clear loser.
>>48078174
They're exhumans minus the interesting gimmicks
>>48079848
Idk, I really like a lot of the fluff of Beyond Earth. It's not quite as much of a setting as SMAC, but it's got a lot of really interesting ideas in it. I'm actually super disappointed in never got the third expansion it deserved, because the second one definitely expanded on the good stuff that was in the base game. Idk, maybe it was because I didn't play SMAC back when it was new, but I don't think that Beyond Earth is that awful. It's not great, but neither was Civ:5 when it first came out. Wish people had given it a chance.
I canon the Sybil basically being the EP version of the Cynosure wonder. An ASI that was designed to just kinda sit around and think, with some amount of inclination towards helping humanity taking up a minimum amount of processing power.
>>48079960
The critical problem with BE, only made worse by the expansion, is that its systems are hopelessly beyond the AI's grasp.
>>48080123
Yeah, that's definitely true. I mainly played with other people though, so it never became an issue for me.
I just wish more people had given it the time of day, even if it was ultimately an attempt to cash in on SMAC's successes without making a proper sequel.
>>48079937
>Abrams tank is both the heaviest tank standardized and also has the best thrust to weight ratio. Why? Because of the engine, bigger things aren't innately slower if you increase their power. What a concept.
I said that they're slower relative to their body size. For instance, the Abrams is 10 meters long. If you compare it to something that is 2 meters long with the same power to weight ratio (btw it's not an aircraft), it will take the Abrams five times as long to stop being where it was.
>Go ahead, quote yourself where you're not
>B. Wrong about the subject (gekkos are 40 feet tall and are way bigger than tanks!)
Video games are not military hardware. Also, everything I said.
>Contradicting yourself (it needs larger weapons, I mean smaller weapons, I mean grenade launchers)
It's possible to need two things
>A. Assuming shit (gekkos are too Expensive!)
You're right. Developing mechs would totally be cheap. I'm so silly.
>C. Arbitrarily limiting the subject in your favor by ignoring the source material (I don't care if they can dodge things! They actually can't!)
The whole argument is that the source material is stupid. The dodging is one example of that. Ignoring physics is stupid. The source material ignores physics.
>D. Setting standards that are in fact met (it needs more than one machine gun, it needs AT weapons ect ect)
Never said it needed an AT weapon (though at 25 mm cannon standard would probably a good idea). Said it was way too big and expensive for one machinegun. Which it is. And clearly lots of them just have the one machinegun. Variants that are marginally more useful don't make that less stupid.
>Either way you're the clear loser.
You've convinced me. I lose. Kojima is truly a master arms designer.
I've got a question for anyone around, How do you guys use Habs, and how do build a good experience around staying in one for a long period of time
>>48079481
There's a couple of ways you can do a non-crazy Minerva fleet.
1) They're right. The Minerva fleet is the last remnant of humanity and everyone else is either a TITAN puppet or unwitting alien thralls. All of the fighting between factions? It's actually just different TITANs and aliens slugging it out with each other. The most horrifying thing is that so-called 'transhumanity' doesn't realize what they've become. And the only people who know he score are written off as a group too crazy for even the Jovians.
2) Tone down the nuttiness. The Minerva fleet is a national remnant -- of the USA or NATO. They're trying to build up some kind of force that help defend transhumanity and they're _not_ using Async slaves and performing terrorist attacks. That's just propaganda.
>>48079937
>Abrams tank is both the heaviest tank standardized and also has the best thrust to weight ratio.
Not true. The Type 99 has a higher power-to-weight ratio than the M1. Also the M1's power-to-weight ratio is terrible compared to lighter vehicles less than half that of a Toyota Prius.
>>48080217
>You've convinced me. I lose. Kojima is truly a master arms designer.
Your words that are only made true by your relative ignorance.
What a fag
>>48080398
Dude, is MGS the last thing your dad gave you before he died or something? You should probably chill out.
>>48080463
>well I'm wrong about everything
>I'll just pretend being right is somehow a character flaw
>oh and I'll imply it never mattered who was right to begin with
Or you're not that guy and still a faggot.
Was faggotry the last thing your dad gave you? Chill out.
>>48080518
why dont you just relax man its not a big deal
>>48080518
Chill out bro.
>>48080518
You claim I know nothing about military hardware but are unable to provide a single example. Misunderstanding some specifics of a single fictional can-can robot doesn't count. Now why don't you calm down and point out the flaws in my reasoning, and also explain how a cybernetic mech would be a cost-effective way to deploy a machine gun.
>>48080238
The second was actually along the lines I was thinking. Maybe there were aghast at the Jovian Republic melting down all of the old National barriers and flitted off.
Hell, you can even have them raid Exhuman and Pirate forces.
>>48080629
Nah bro, you don't get more reasons why you're a dumbass until you clear your plate.
If you one a free reason why, you can start with the fucktarded reasoning behind saying the M2 browning isn't an appropriate choice because of ammo consumption but a automatic grenade launcher isn't.
>>48081885
>>48080629
>>48080909
In the spirit of /epg/ maybe you guys should just go make out or something and leave the rest of us in peace.
How do you deal with players who are plain stupid, can't plan ahead for shit and take it as a point of pride, and who almost can't roleplay, but who you can't kick out of the party because reasons?
I have one like that. Almost every clusterfuck the party found themselves into is a result of his actions. I want to induct the party into something greater then them like Firewall, or Ozma, or another intelligence agency, so they can deal with not!Cthulhu, but I think that this fucking faggot will mess up and the agency will get rid of the whole party because no one will tolerate massive failures. I keep thinking of cool plots and stories, but I keep realizing that they will shatter at his immense autism. Please help, /epg/.
>>48083344
Kill the player.
>>48083448
I would gladly, but the motives are too obvious and I'll be easily traced.
>>48083344
Kick him out of the group.
>>48083344
Fill bags with oranges and then have the entire group beat on him until he shapes up.
I mean, like, if the old fashioned "get everyone to agree he's a little shitler and tell him to shape up" doesn't work there's very little you can do besides excise them from the group.
>>48083344
Psychosurgery
>>48083344
>>48083448
This.
But really if you can't kick him out you need to talk to him. Ask him to take the game a bit more seriously.
Also, if he acts like a dumb sperg then reflect that in gameplay. If he's being incredibly rude or weird have NPCs shun him and ping his rep. If he makes monumentally stupid combat decisions let him get pink misted. He can always get resleeved.
When it comes down to it though, you just need to communicate with him. If he refuses to change his behaviour then nothing can be except expulsion.
>>48083469
Make it look like an accident.
>>48083344
Story time please?
>>48083734
There are no worthwile stories precisely because of reasons stated in the post.
>>48083753
No amusing anecdotes of him being retarded and fucking things up?
>>48083344
try one of those cool stories, and when he fucks up have there be consequences. Either for the party or just him. Either one will provide negative reinforcement.
>>48080888
You know, I'm beginning to warm to this idea. There's an independent American-British-French flotilla of NATO remnants that's playing by its own rules and taking on pirates, exhumans, exsurgents, and other assorted scum of the out rim in the process. The don't answer to Firewall, Ozma, the Planetary Consortium, the Junta, or those damned commies on Titan.
The group they really, really fucking hate and are determined to bring down: Nine Lives.
Can we stop it with the Metal Gear shit? This isn't /v/. We can talk about mechs without bickering over ludicrous cinematic bullshit.
>>48084048
Only problem is that the British and French were part of the Caliphate pre-Fall.
>>48084142
Cool. A Christian/Moslem alliance against the zombie-lovers.
So /epg/, how do you modify the setting? Heres my list:
>The Ultimates are on the verge of civil war over whether or not they should take the gates
>The Pandora gates are fucking huge - an average of 100 meters in diameter
>The PC is really a normal government with a fuckton of corporate influence
>Anarchists are only really still a thing because they have the Titanian Commonwealth propping them up
>Jovian Republic is an actual representative democracy, just with some shady police-state stuff
>Minervan fleet is a biocon NATO remnant fighting pirates and exhumans as other anons have detailed
>Religion isn't nearly as not there as the dev version, but has taken a beating from uploading, AGI, Uplifts, and other technological factors (and the Factors)
>>48084281
Since when were the French and British part of a Caliphate? And since when did the Muslim world in Eclipse Phase reform the Caliphate?
>>48084779
I actually can really grok a Ultimate Civil War. That actually sounds both fun and possible in the setting.
I don't think Pandora Gates should be that big. I sorta like that the PC is a Corporatocracy with Democratic trappings. The anarchists are actually only still a thing because Titan joined their Bloc to keep the PC and Jovians back. All I would do is make the Jovians a little bit 'lighter' (Making them more morally gray.)
I can dig the religion stuff.
>>48080238
Maybe they're building special ops teams made entirely out of asyncs.
>>48084779
>There's no such thing as sun whales.
Next time I run it, I will probably make the bioconservatives really successful. Not sure how the details wash out, but I've never been in a group that has considered them seriously. Like, not even in a "we respect their ability to chose how to live". Nearly all players I've played with/GM'd for seem to view biocons as being as loony as scientologists.
>>48084779
>Planetary Consortium
I never actually minded the depiction of the Consortium as it is in the books (ie where the unelected shareholders have the real political power and the cyberdemocracy is a polite facade). Reason is there's already an inner system power that's an actual government that's far more democratic than the Consortium, being the Morningstar Constellation. Hell you can say that the Lunar-Lagrange Alliance is more democratic than them...except for the whole "fuck off dirty synths" thing.
>Autonomists/anarchists I went out of my way to list autonomist/anarchist groups that would be of interest to Firewall, and not in the good way. The largest insurrectionist network in the inner system has turned to violent, radical means to upset the balance of power. The Jovian Anarchist Cells have also been thoroughly subverted by exhumans, whom were easily able to form a cult of personality around themselves.
>Jovians: Largely unchanged from the setting, but I bumped their population from 40 million to 50 million. I really just think these guys need more characterization.
>Tech
People are a bit more conservative when it comes to using nanotechnology (including nanofabrication) on industrial-scale levels, with the horrors from the Fall being fresh in everyone's minds. The setting is slightly less post-scarcity than depicted in the setting. Also, because I like the "dirty sci-fi" aesthetic of the Alien series, technology tends to look less Star Trek levels of shiny and sleek and more blocky and grimy. It's only in the more powerful polities where they can actually afford the cool gadgets. I justify this as needing to be safely shielded from EMP attacks (thanks to an anon who pointed this out a few threads ago).
Spaceships are used far more often than egocasting, but this is changing by the time of 10 AF as the technology becomes more reliable
>>48085293
Don't worry guys I know how to greentext
>>48085194
That's actually my biggest beef with how the writers portray Bioconservatism. They use BioCon factions as a dumping ground for the things they don't like. The Jovian's are paired off with dogmatic religion, the American Military-Industrial complex, the worst aspects of American culture, militarism and south american style dictatorships. It becomes exceedingly easy to dislike BioConservatism when the chief example in the setting is the 'Jovian Junta'.
The Dev's did a decent job of salvaging the Jovian's and BioConservatism a bit in both Rimward and even Firewall. But still it persists on some level when honestly it'd be interesting to see an honest look at the ideology.
>>48085194
>Next time I run it, I will probably make the bioconservatives really successful.
A lot of my players really groked the biocons when I told them to think about Star Trek. The Federation is allegedly all about being good and democratic, but their attitudes on synthetic people and genetic/cybernetic augmentations are very dim.
Also, in my setting the Jovians are surprisingly receptive towards the reclaimers. On official channels they want nothing to do with them, but they unofficially support them, particularly from the Catholic Church. This off the record patronage isn't universally condoned by the Republic, and it's a point of contention for a lot of the higher ups.
I'm curious, what do you mean by "successful"?
>>48085194
Aw, that's a shame. My personal take when running the setting is basically to take everybody seriously. If these guys weren't serious about making their livings these ways then nobody would actually accomplish much.
To me the linchpin of Outer System anarchism is that they exist in small communities of willing adherents who follow the local flavor - but this also means that while they're the ideological heart of the AA they'll never actually amount to much in a political sense, too poor population growth and too disparate to do anything but put forward a couple key points that help define the core of the AA.
>>48085306
Eh, I think the problem is that in a lot of ways Bioconservatism runs counter to the setting itself (with their suspicion and outright rejection of many technologies) being about "transhuman conspiracy and horror", and in the face of many extinction risks their lack of adaptation seems kind of counter-intuitive, especially when the Precautionist principles exist. This is why Neo-Primitives are basically non-supported by the rules, they go even farther to the extreme so as to be beyond the normal realms of the game, they wouldn't be interested in engaging with so much of it.
JR is better than just tacking "Biocons" as a faction on, because as a decently sized polity they have their own cultural influences and internal politics which can incorporate bioconservative or precautionist ideals into something else - while still having an undercurrent of pragmatism it'd be hard to find in someone who puts "Bioconservative" in their one faction choice bubble.
>>48085348
I mean, people consider the Jovians to be fiscally or politically as successful as Titan or the major Consortium corps.
Or being a biocon is actually a really good survival strategy on Earth or around the TQZ/NMCZ.
Like most types of headhunters/the smaller TITAN bots are very biased to attacking people with mesh inserts - to the point where they ignore people without inserts/stacks because it's not worth the energy to carry a flat brain back to a scanner station.
Or exurgents that fuck with your cyberware just from proximity are much more common (like that glitchy stuff you get playing SOMA).
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>>48085684
How do you define "human" /epg/? Where does it begin and end?
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>>48085769
>not wanting a bitchin' robot body
I'd rather live in the Eclipse Phase setting than this one tbqhfam.
>>48085840
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>>48085939
![[Angry Machine God Noises].png](https://i.imgur.com/3wuSqYH.jpg "[Angry Machine God Noises].png")
>>48080909
>How could an airbursting area effect weapon ever outperform a heavy machinegun against infantry?
>>48085306
Have you ever met a bioconservative in real life? People who think gene therapy and genetically modified crops are terrible and vote in such a way as to prevent research in those fields. They're dumb as fucking rocks and extremely dislikeable.
>>48085579
>I mean, people consider the Jovians to be fiscally or politically as successful as Titan or the major Consortium corps.
The Jovians had a huge head start with their established offworld military. The entire external economy of the Republic is based on highway robbery plus a tiny bit of mining. They've been riding that for ten years but it's not going to help them much in the long run.
>>48086623
>people who think obedience to G_d's law is important are dumb as fucking rocks and extremely dislikeable
*tips firmly with assurance*
>>48086675
Which of god's laws says anything about genetic engineering?
Also, these are mostly Californians I'm talking about. Plenty of atheists in there.
>>48086652
>The entire external economy of the Republic is based on highway robbery plus a tiny bit of mining.
You forgot energy generation and antimatter creation.
>>48086652
>based on highway robbery
>taxing people who ship goods through your territory is theft
Calm down, anarkiddo.
>>48086835
>claiming a geographic area as territory isn't theft from the commons
Ease up, statist
>>48086874
>The commons own all land by right.
Wew lad.
>>48086712
Yes, I did. Still won't make up for dramatically slowed technological progress in the long run though.
>>48086835
Jupiter's claimed territorial space is unreasonably large, much like China's claimed territorial waters.
>>48086904
>Ownership exists
Back off, fascist
>>48086920
You need money, first. Get a job, hippy.
>>48086911
>Jupiter's claimed territorial space is unreasonably large, much like China's claimed territorial waters.
Heh, I wasn't aware of the South China Sea situation. Those absolute madmen.
>>48087033
I notice Taiwan is China-colored as well.
>>48087094
Taiwan is rightful Chinese clay.
>>48087366
Before the campaign fell apart I once played a hyperelite socialite who was strongly implied to be Donald Trump's great grandson.
Post questionnaires
>>48087685
I can't tell if this cancer is a parody. Unfortunately I'm leaning towards no.
Why is it always smug anarchists?
Chewing through X-Risks:
> Terrorists and rogue states could attack the West through any number of vectors.
> Suicide bombings and spree shootings were an obvious threat,
Is this serious? Because I don't really understand how is that a threat or even attack.
>>48089281
What threat rating are they given?
>>48087033
Even before all that they claimed territorial waters out to 20 times (iirc) further from their coast than any other country
>>48089417
> What threat rating are they given?
None. It was about modern-day (early 21st century) politics and I got very confused.
> Ever since the early 21st century and the Global War on Terror, the various government agencies and their private-sector counterparts in charge of security began to claim more and more power and authority over every aspect of life. To these bureaucrats, anything and everything posed a security risk that had to be monitored and controlled. Terrorists and rogue states
could attack the West through any number of vectors. Suicide bombings and spree shootings were an obvious threat, but the securocrats classified everything that went against American interests as a terror or military threat.
It's kinda weird to classify "suicide bombings and spree shootings" as something even vaguely resembling a threat. Especially, obvious threat.
>>48089596
The threat they're talking about is apparently dictatorship, not terrorism. Because if capitalism is an X-risk, so are forms of government you dislike! Impartiality!
What would Martian authorities do to an AGI if they find one, sleeved into a synthmorph, in the middle of a large dome habitat?
>>48087685
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>>48089838
Arrested, uploaded, psychosurgery on a fork to find out who owns it.
How would Firewall recruit a small ragtag band of mercenaries whose only allegiance is to themselves, but who are really good at what they do? I really want to induct my players into Firewall, but I'm not sure how to do it in a not shove-a-rail-down-the-throat way.
>>48089838
First, a few friendly questions about who owns it and what it's doing. If it's evasive or aggressive, arrest and psychosurgery. If it's friendly and the owner checks out, hey, who gives a fuck, let the owner deal with it.
>>48089864
>>48089882
What if no one owns it, because the "owner" disappeared a decade ago and it was independent from the start?
>>48089889
Deleted.
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>>48089889
Deleting it is a waste, offer it an indenture contract with a hypercorp to make it provide services and legal protection for it.
>>48089912
It has no rights in the first place.
>>48089917
Yes, but forcing it in public makes a scene and could disrupt orderly business. The hoi polloi don't like it when cops in military body armor tase random synths to deactivation in the street, it's bad for public confidence. Best to make it a generous offer to get it in private and then you whip out the mandatory psychosurgery clauses if you need them.
I'm looking through Ultimate's Guide to Combat and wanted to use HEP Spray weapons, but htere's no listed cost for the guns or the ammo. Anyone got any ideas? I figured the guns would be high cost.
>>48089917
This isn't the case. The planetary consortium/Tharsis League actually has a fair amount of protections in place for uplifts and infolife. It's hab level governments which inconsistently apply them.
>>48089912
This, auction it off on InDex, the same for other unclaimed egos.
>>48090066
Just make something up, or roll a D5 or something. Cost categories are dumb anyway.
>>48089865
They wouldn't recruit them. Use them, maybe, but they wouldn't recruit obviously-mercenary personnel into Firewall. Firewall might be a patron, contacting them as an employer (obviously not saying who they *really* are), but as far as Firewall is concerned they are disposable and a security risk to boot.
>>48084824
They aren't and they haven't. I think the guy who originally posted that was either being ironic or was thinking about a different game. But I could run with the concept without too much trouble.
>>48090517
>This isn't the case. The planetary consortium/Tharsis League actually has a fair amount of protections in place for uplifts and infolife. It's hab level governments which inconsistently apply them.
[citation needed]
>>48089865
> How would Firewall recruit a small ragtag band of mercenaries whose only allegiance is to themselves, but who are really good at what they do?
To be honest, they don't seem to be Firewall material. Firewall would hire them, but would not inform them that they are working for Firewall.At least, initially.
Unless someone from Firewall gets an idea that band of mercenaries has allegiance to transhumanity AND COULD BE WILLING TO WORK FOR FREE FOR THE GREATER GOOD (this part is important), it is unlikely most Firewall proxies will even consider properly recruiting them: no way to ensure at least a modicum of loyalty. Well, not unless someone from Firewall gets really desperate.
Keep in mind that Firewall is a bit like Salvation Army. They rely on volunteers, not wage slaves.
> I really want to induct my players into Firewall, but I'm not sure how to do it in a not shove-a-rail-down-the-throat way.
Firewall, p36-38 talks about recruiting.
>>48085293
Yeah, I'm also skeptical about widespread egocasting and nanofabrication capabilities. It's part of the setting's schtick, but overused I believe they remove a lot of problems that'd be otherwise interesting to deal with.
I figure nanofabrication can be limited simply restricting the amount of resources available: you may have all the blueprints in the world (though procuring them could be made hard enough), but you still need the basic materials any piece of technology is made of, minerals and rarer elements. You can mine those to some extent, but that requires infrastructure and logistics. There's a running joke/meme that WMDs can be easily fabricated, but I don't really understand how that could be possible unless antimatter, uranium and plutonium were sold in the average store.
As for egocasting, well, you can use legislation to restrict it between habitats and population centers, and ultimately, it's only really useful as long as you're sticking within civilization. The destination needs to have morphs readily available and equipment or the means and resources to produce such.
How do you guys limit these things?
>>48092765
You mean things that are already done?
>>48092765
>There's a running joke/meme that WMDs can be easily fabricated, but I don't really understand how that could be possible unless antimatter, uranium and plutonium were sold in the average store.
>Implying stores even exist
Pick up some scrap. Fab a mining bot or whatever. Get your own resources.
>As for egocasting, well, you can use legislation to restrict it between habitats and population centers,
Except for all of the places that don't have legislation.
>How do you guys limit these things?
Situationally.
For egocasting, you generally need someone to sleeve you at the other end. You can pay for that, but on short notice the price might be steep. Also, I'm not sure why you would need to limit it.
As for fabbing, there's plenty of legislation in some places. Where there isn't, there's resource availability. More important than that though is letting players do reasonable things and also having NPCs do reasonable things. It's not like the PCs are the ones with this technology.
>>48092765
>How do you guys limit these things?
Why would I want to? If I didn't want a game with egocasting and nanofabrication I'd play something else. It's like all those kiddies who want to play EP games set before the Fall, it defeats the purpose.
>>48089865
They don't sound much like Firewall types. The one twist I could see is if they really like their job, and would be willing to take on crazy impossible missions because they think it's fucking cool and dying is almost impossible in this setting. Like they do merc work for the benefits, but then take jobs for Firewall because they want to show off
>>48092950
>It's like all those kiddies who want to play EP games set before the Fall, it defeats the purpose.
I like to run 1-2 game preludes for players new to EP, set before the Fall. They generally follow the structure of "Normal day, happy time, Fall hits, oh shit, try to survive and dodge TITAN mechs and suborned pods and synths, fuck fuck fuck, try to get off Earth/out of a doomed hab/whatever, egocast out or just evac. Then 'What do you do over the next 10 years, in broad terms, now that you lost everything?', then the actual game starts. It gets the players into the setting in a really visceral way and shows why there is a stigma about pods. It also helps teach them that death is far from permanent in EP.
>>48089596
A paper tiger "threat" that the people in charge could use to tighten there grip on power.
How can campaigns even be played when everything boils down to "exsurgents kill everything, including you, but you don't remember because >resleeving"?
>>48087094
Taiwan is ultimately China's bitch, whether they admit it or not.
>>48093629
Argentina are doing much the same thing in the south Atlantic but no one except the British cares
>>48086652
>The entire external economy of the Republic is based on highway robbery plus a tiny bit of mining.
Oh God, the Jovian Republic is space Kansas.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
>>48092950
>Why would I want to? If I didn't want a game with egocasting and nanofabrication
You're mistaking "limiting" with "not using at all". Those are concepts that aren't very common in tabletop RPGs, so I'd try easing players into it first without throwing all these dense socio-economic/technological concepts at them. WITHOUT having to have it be "oh well it's before the Fall".
>>48093971
Also, egocasting requires a fuckton of paperwork that I'd rather not have to deal with.
>ok guys erase all the equipment that isn't software that you have, you can't use them anymore. Re-adjust all of your skills since your stats change
Even Pathfinder, king of pedantry, doesn't have you deal with that much bookkeeping
>>48094005
Use spreadsheets
>>48093393
You don't do that. Apply yourself.
>>48090066
Expensive for pistol, Expensive+ for rifle, Moderate for a magazine of ammunition (pistol on low end, rifle on high end).
>>48095295
Or use the morph and modifier cards if analog is your thing
>>48098109
I'm under the impression the device is supposed to be totally insane and not actually sensical, at least from the description in the book
>>48099297
They're exhumans. All of them and what they make should be destroyed.
